Where do you draw the line onumber being natty?

Natty is one of those woolly non quantifiable terms where there can be clear examples of "is" and "is not", but in between exists a huge grey area with no clear boundaries.
 
What does Mike Ohearn term natural? certainly not all the surgery he has had done to his face.

None the less- PH/Real Juice-- IMO is the line. But its up to interpretation really.
 
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We draw the line there, now we all have a solid answer and can finally relax.

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How is this topic still going? LOL. Are people really that driven to have everyone else agree with their own opinion of a vague term in general?
 
ma70 said:
How is this topic still going? LOL. Are people really that driven to have everyone else agree with their own opinion of a vague term in general?
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Absolutely! Accept me, validate me, and make me feel elite please!!!! :)
 
ma70 said:
How is this topic still going? LOL. Are people really that driven to have everyone else agree with their own opinion of a vague term in general?
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I'm not sure if I should agree with this?
 
raul87 said:
What products? Ingredients? I'd like to stay natty as far as my genes can take me and I don't plan on taking anything for the foreseeable future as I've been lifting for less than 2 years. I'm just curious as to what has convinced you guys ton either stay natty or go past it.

Edit: wtf autocorrect really ****ed up the title lol
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I did my first low dose cycle after 4 years of consistent natty training…… The only reason was because I couldn’t get my weight to go up at all for a whole year…… No matter how much I ate, slept and trained. Looking back I’m sure that changing up my exercises every 6 weeks and taking a nap during the day would prob have gotten me through my plateau…. I was young and dumb back then.

IMO, natty means no hormones or SARMS….. Everything else is Kosher.

If you are still getting gains by training natural then I’d recommend you keep away from gear until that stops…….and even then I’d recommend a very low dose first cycle.
 
this argument is moot...not a single person is natty these days....really has nothing to do with supplements or injecting...just from your diet and lifestyle, technically you are not natty

at the end of the day who cares? do what makes you happy....for most "natty" people, it's about being as healthy as possible and for "not natty" people it may be looking at good as possible and they know the adverse risks....do you and don't let one label or the other bother you
 
idk why some people think natty means pretty much being liver king. shut up about protein and creatine not being natty lol.

but now there's peptides and and herbs that have effects that are a bit too good to be natty imo. are these people half natty? I was thinking it should be half natty if you do all the stuff except for exogenous testosterone.
 
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