When is it best to get blood tested ?

[bonangus]

I have been taking Test Injections 100mg per week with HCG shots on days 5 and 6 now for 4 weeks. I want to get my blood tested to see where my levels are at. What day do most people that are on this protocol get there blood tests done ?

 

[Steveoph]

From what I've read, people get their bloodwork done often right before the next shot to see what their T levels go down to. You can also get it done right after a shot to see how high it spikes, but I think the former is more useful if you can only get it tested once. Hopefully Jandz can chime in

 

[JanSz]

From what I've read, people get their bloodwork done often right before the next shot to see what their T levels go down to. You can also get it done right after a shot to see how high it spikes, but I think the former is more useful if you can only get it tested once. Hopefully Jandz can chime in

I am in favor of doing blood draw (48 hours) after the shot,
for EOD and longer T injections schedules.
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Checking TT blood levels latter dilutes information.
Checking too soon, one risk on getting in on ramp up time, risking also larger error.


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Men injected with GnRH Agonist
to stop testis production
Were given dose once weekly
Testosterone Enanthate
25 mg
50 mg
125 mg
300 mg
600 mg

Measured after 7 days

Serum testosterone levels, nmol/l
593(±161)
566(±220)
553(±182)
654(±157)
632(±228)

Conclussion, after seven days there is no way to distinguish initial t dose.

 

[bonangus]

Thanks guys. I will get it done two days after shot then. Thanks again.

 

[The Matrix]

Thanks guys. I will get it done two days after shot then. Thanks again.

You do not want to test the peak you want to test the trough. Which would be tested on day morning of hcg shots. Who gives a rats ass about the peak, I be more concerned with the low end of the range and make adjustments from there. Adding back in hcg will give you back the 30 % of which it would drop from beginning of the week to the end of the week. After 1 week why the hell can one measure testosterone accurately? People want to test 2 days after shot if testing for e2 because there is a 24-48 lag time from the rise in t to conversion to e2.

 

[JanSz]

You do not want to test the peak you want to test the trough. Which would be tested on day morning of hcg shots. Who gives a rats ass about the peak, I be more concerned with the low end of the range and make adjustments from there. Adding back in hcg will give you back the 30 % of which it would drop from beginning of the week to the end of the week. After 1 week why the hell can one measure testosterone accurately? People want to test 2 days after shot if testing for e2 because there is a 24-48 lag time from the rise in t to conversion to e2.

After certain time all throughs are about equal, regardless of initial dose.
There is no usefull information in testing too far from shot.
7 day is too far, there is research to prove it.

Once a week dose of:
25 mg
50 mg
125 mg
300 mg
600 mg

will test about the same after 7 days.

 

[The Matrix]

After certain time all throughs are about equal, regardless of initial dose.
There is no usefull information in testing too far from shot.
7 day is too far, there is research to prove it.

Once a week dose of:
25 mg
50 mg
125 mg
300 mg
600 mg

will test about the same after 7 days.

Im suggested testing on day 5 the morning of the first hcg shot this will give you what the testosterone is producing not the hcg. TRT should be done in layers and under a skilled physcian (which is hard to find) after other variable are ruled out.

 

[MacDonnell]

Im suggested testing on day 5 the morning of the first hcg shot this will give you what the testosterone is producing not the hcg. TRT should be done in layers and under a skilled physcian (which is hard to find) after other variable are ruled out.

Dr. Crisler tests on day 6 (i.e., day before your T shot), and has you lay off HCG on days 5 and 6.

 

[bonangus]

Thanks Mac Donnell I will do that. Does that give me an accurate reading for my E2 ? I feel as though it is high that all.

 

[The Matrix]

Thanks Mac Donnell I will do that. Does that give me an accurate reading for my E2 ? I feel as though it is high that all.

for some reason hcg spikes the e2 up the ass. This was my case thats why i test on day after hcg shot and day of the next test shot, I did things in layers. I did test with out hcg and e2 was 26 added in hcg and it went to 52 so something was causing it when all other variables where the same.

 

[JanSz]

for some reason hcg spikes the e2 up the ass. This was my case thats why i test on day after hcg shot and day of the next test shot, I did things in layers. I did test with out hcg and e2 was 26 added in hcg and it went to 52 so something was causing it when all other variables where the same.

I was expecting E2 raise when I increased
first from 250iu EOD to 380iu EOD
then to 500iu EOD that I am on now

My E2 actually falled down.
I have to decrease Liquidex.
Other than decrease in weekly dose I increased frequency after I found in the Arimidex leaflet 50hr half life.
Now I am on
0.15cc every day Liquidex

0.15*7=1.05 Arimidex pills/week
500iu HCG EOD
0.255cc test EOD

blood drawn on day of T shot, before T shot.
.
.
That is 48 hours after T shot (for those on different schedule)
.
.

 

[The Matrix]

I was expecting E2 raise when I increased
first from 250iu EOD to 380iu EOD
then to 500iu EOD that I am on now

My E2 actually falled down.
I have to decrease Liquidex.
Other than decrease in weekly dose I increased frequency after I found in the Arimidex leaflet 50hr half life.
Now I am on
0.15cc every day Liquidex

0.15*7=1.05 Arimidex pills/week
500iu HCG EOD
0.255cc test EOD

blood drawn on day of T shot, before T shot.
.
.
That is 48 hours after T shot (for those on different schedule)
.
.

i am experimenting with maca, DIM, reservatrol, and iodoral, cal D, to help control estrogen. I believe once nutrient balance is achieved then your body will regulate its own estrogen production and arimidex may be lowered or even discontiued. I have been on same protocol for 4 week will get blood retested in another week to make sure all variables are achieved identically. When my body was on higher fish oils I notice that my e2 stayed in check more easily even with out armidex. Finding that optimum balnce is the key..

 

[JanSz]

i am experimenting with maca, DIM, reservatrol, and iodoral, cal D, to help control estrogen. I believe once nutrient balance is achieved then your body will regulate its own estrogen production and arimidex may be lowered or even discontiued. I have been on same protocol for 4 week will get blood retested in another week to make sure all variables are achieved identically. When my body was on higher fish oils I notice that my e2 stayed in check more easily even with out armidex. Finding that optimum balnce is the key..

I just got surprise of my life,

Iodine=462(40-92) ug/L

Since Feb/2007 I would put 4-6 drops of Lugol's 5% into my coffe,
on most days.
I used up the whole 1Fl oz vial within a year.
Just bought new one, the law changed, they make 2% 2 Fl oz.
So I would put 10 drops.

No, no more.
Test first.
.
.
At least if there was a Chernobyl near by, I would not have to worry about radioactive iodine.

Wonder how long it would take to clear it?

I have home Genova Diagnostics kit for
Comprehensive thyroid panel.
was planning to do it in few days.
Wonder when it would be a logical to do it,
with my current situation?