When I Lose Control.....I Like It! Prop/Tren A

July 13, 2005

Bodyweight: 242

Workout

Conventional Deads
225x5, 295x5, 345x3, 375x1, 395x1, 405x1 (20 lb PR) 225x12

Squats 135x10, 155x10, 175x8, 195x8

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 930 kcals

Notes

I know I am pretty devoted to bodybuilding at the moment, but I have wanted a 405 deadlift for quite some time now. My old max was 385. 375 actually felt pretty heavy and I had my reservations about pushing it further. But I didn't feel like I was going to break anything so I gave it a shot and I am sure glad I did. Goal achieved!

Only problem I had is that I felt my head was going to explode on the last two heavy sets. Overall I am really pleased with the workout.
 
July 14, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Cardio

Elliptical 106:00 1500 kcals

Notes

Making a few minor dietary adjustments. I have been hungry for fruit lately, so I am going to go with more blackberry/blueberry protein shakes, hood oj, apples,bananas etc + lean meats. Will try to get calories down around 3000. I'll see where they fall and track them a little closer for the next week or so.
 
July 15, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Workout

HS High Row 140x10, 180x10, 220x8
Curls 60x10, 65x5, 55x7, 50x7
Wrist Curls 30x2x9

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 925 kcals

Notes

Strength seems to still be going up a little. Hit a PR on curls. Form was kind of sloppy but definitely I was stronger.
 
July 17, 2005

Bodyweight: 237

Workout

Incline 215x3x5
DB OH Press 65x2x8
Tricep Pushdowns 30x2x10, 40x9
DB Laterals 30x8, 35x10

Notes

Skipped cardio today on account of work. I have about 1 week left on cycle (I am setting deadline to go off). I feel like it is a good time to stay at maintenance for awhile.
 
July 18, 2005

Bodyweight: 241
Waist: 38.75"

Workout

Squat 135x8, 155x8, 185x8, 215x8, 225x8, 235x5, 245x5

Cardio

Elliptical 30:00, 425 kcals
Bowling 60:00, fun but not really cardio

Notes

First time squatting heavy (for me) in awhile. 245 actually felt pretty good. If I can hit 250 or 255 next time I will pretty much be as strong as I have ever been on every exercise I train (or damn close).
 
Brogers:

Yes, it is definitely pretty evident in the mirror. It is especially evident after a workout. Still getting good muscle pump/hardness, vascularity. For having nearly a 39" waist, things are looking alright.

I have had quite a few people tell me I look a lot leaner. They are surprised I have lost only about 8-10 lbs or so. Most people think I lost a lot more than that.

For someone starting out leaner than I was considering the same cycle, I think you can expect some pretty dramatic results.
 
Great log cardinal, you have motivated me to do more cardio!!!
Looks like you are getting great results in terms of fatloss. With as many drugs as you are on, i dont see why you dont cut cals a bit more though, get that 36" waist you want :D

Cheers
 
Kristopher:

Thanks for the feedback. And you are right. If I cut calories down to about 2500 or so per day, the fatloss would have been plain sick. But I really don't want to regain my old binge eating disorder. So I eat pretty close to satiety most of the time. When I can restrict calories without getting the thoughts that lead to my tendency to binge, I do so. I am comfortable enough with my condition now to allow for several extra months to reach my fatloss goal. No reason not to take it slow and easy. Plus I need plenty of time to figure out what will work best to regrow hair and to make sure my gyno problems become a total nonissue. Once again, thanks for the feedback.
 
July 20, 2005

Bodyweight: 239

Workout

HS High Row 200x8, 240x8, 260x6, 280x3
Curls 60x9, 65x5, 50x7, 50x7
HS Low Row 200x8, 300x5, 280x8

Cardio

Elliptical 50:00
 
July 21, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Workout

Bench 185x10, 225x5, 245x5, 275x1 (PR)
Incline 205x7, 205x8 (w/help)
Crossovers 20x10, 25x10, 35x10, 20x10
HS Decline 120x9
HS Incline 180x6

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00, 923 kcals

Notes

Had a good workout partner today, so I went for a max on bench. Got 275 pretty easily. I figure I might be good for 280-285 if I did things properly re: warmups etc. Good day overall. Skipped Tris and will hit them in a few days.
 
July 23, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Workout

Squats 135x6, 185x6, 225x5, 255x5, 225x10
Leg Extensions 160x8, 200x8, 240x8

Cardio

Elliptical 48:00, 700 kcals

Notes

Alright. Did my last injection yesterday and I am going to start pct in about 4.5 days or so. 260x5 was my old 5RM on squats. 255x5 was pretty easy, so I feel confident I am at my strongest. My strength nearly always falls off quite dramatically about 1-2 weeks into pct. Hopefully this won't be the case now, but I am not expecting anything new. I ran the Tren 9+ weeks and gave my strength plenty of time to stabilize, so maybe it will be a bit more keepable.
 
July 24, 2005

Bodyweight: 235
Waist: 38.25"

Workout

JM Press 135x8, 155x8, 175x6
Modified Tates 45x6, 55x6, 65x4, 60x5
Pushdowns 40x9, 30x3x10
Curls 60x9, 60x7
Hammer Curls 50x8
C Curls 45x2x8, 50x5
Wrist Curls 3 sets

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 925 kcals

Notes

Dropped about 5 lbs overnight. I definitely look better in the mirror. Strength still up, good pumps in the gym and definitely still feeling really good overall.
 
July 26, 2005

Bodyweight: 235
Waist: 38" :cheers:

Workout

Deadlifts 135x8, 225x6, 275x6, 315x7, 295x8
HS Low Rows 200x8, 260x2x8

Cardio

Elliptical 42:00, 600 kcals

Notes

Toning down the cardio a little bit. I am going to watch the scale and if more weight starts to drop, I will add calories big time. I am probably at about 4500 kcals/day now. I am really liking how much leaner I look after dropping 3/4 of an inch off the waist in what appears to be about a week now.

As luck would have it (and I am not complaining about being with a ridiculously hot girl), I will probably be fairly active this weekend. So I ordered some stuff from IBE (Vitamin C, Vitamin V, and clomid) and will probably make use of the last two as libido is quite low at the moment compared to what it was while I was on. May also get maca, tribulus and zma but that would just be overkill hehe.
 
July 28, 2005

Bodyweight: 236.5

Workout

Bench 185x3x10
DB OH Press 70x9, 70x7, 70x7
Tates 40x12
Crossovers 25x8, 35x2x10
HS Tricep 60x10, 70x8, 80x2x8
HS Incline 160x10, 180x8, 200x2x5
Abs 100x3x5, 50x6

Cardio

Elliptical 45:00 685 kcals

Notes

I used a bit lighter weight today, but my strength really hasn't started to drop off much yet. Have been eating more, which left me with about 1/5 inch more around the waist and a few pounds heavier. Not complaining.
 
July 29, 2005

Bodyweight: 233

Workout

Squats 205x5, 225x5, 245x5, 225x7
Leg Extensions 4 sets

Cardio

Elliptical 40:00

Notes

Some of the CNS stimulation is already going away. Lost about 10 lbs on my squat. Endurance is very high on cardio. Definitely really happy about the cardiovascular effects of doing the elliptical nearly every day since May whatever. Physique overall is looking a bit softer after being off of Tren for awhile now. Libido not where I would like it to be.
 
August 1, 2005

Bodyweight: 233

Workout

CGBP 135x6, 165x6, 195x6, 225x5, 235x4
DB OH Press 70x8, 80x5, 70x9, 65x9
Tates 40x8, 50x8, 50x7
Laterals 30x10, 25x12
Pushdowns 30x4x10
Crossovers 30x10, 35x8, 35x8

Cardio

Elliptical 47:00, 750 kcals

Notes

Sorry for the lack of updates the last few days. Had to work and didn't lift this weekend, but I did do plenty of cardio. Felt good to get back in the gym. Strength is down a bit on pressing work but nothing major. Most of the cell volumization is gone and my arms are down about .5". I am going to just maintain what I have for the next few weeks and try not to really gain or lose any weight overall. Protein intake has been spot on the last week or so. Calories still over 4000.
 
August 2, 2005

Bodyweight: 234

Workout

HS High Row 160x8, 200x8, 240x9, 220x9
HS Low Row 200x8, 240x8, 260x7
Curls 60x9, 55x8, 50x9, 60x6
Lat Pulldown 145x12
Reverse Curls 75x10

Cardio

Elliptical 50:00, 765 kcals

Notes

Happy to say I have lost only a small amount on the Rows and nothing off the curls strengthwise. Looking good in that department so far. Tren may very well be the best strength drug out there if I manage to keep most all of what I have gained.
 
August 4, 2005

Bodyweight: 235

Workout

Squats 135x8, 185x6, 205x6, 225x6, 235x3x5
Deadlifts 225x12, 275x8, 295x8, 275x7
Leg Extensions 2 sets
Abs 3 sets

Cardio

Elliptical 50:00

Notes

Still felt pretty strong on squats and deads. Upped calories by about 1000 or so. Don't think I am gaining any fat so probably a good idea.
 
I sure am. Especially if i think I might be losing weight when I don't really want to for another week or so, I can add 1000 pretty easy. I have been really active this summer. Main thing, I just keep a close eye on my waistline each morning and if it jumps unexpectedly, I back off just a bit. I haven't even counted calories strictly for a good long while and can maintain well if I want to up to 5-6k a day.
 
August 5, 2005

Bodyweight: 232

Workout

CGBP 135x8, 175x6, 205x5, 225x5, 235x4
Tates 40x8, 55x7, 50x9
Crossovers 35x3x9
Cable Laterals 20x8, 15x2x10
Pushdowns 30x2x12

Cardio

Elliptical 35:00, 525 kcals

Notes

Good workout in not a lot of time
 
Update August 14, 2005

Good news and bad news.

Bad news is I am still losing hair. Therefore I have decided to discontinue the use of nolvadex at this point (short pct I know). I am losing quite a bit fast now, so if dropping the nolva entirely doesn't solve the problem, I am going to go ahead and start taking finasteride even if it causes additional shedding initially (I know probably should already be taking it). Normally by now the hair loss pretty much has stopped but not this time. Could be the time of year as I tend to shed more in summer for awhile and then again in spring.

Good news

It looks like the recomp overall went pretty well. I am looking quite lean and still getting comments. I lost about 1/2 inch on my arms from my starting measurement of 17.75", some of which was probably muscle and the rest of which was just fat (I had a lot to lose and still do). Waistline has stayed stable at about 38" throughout pct, just as planned.

Starting Weight: 245-250 lbs
End Weight: 228-233
Weight Loss: 17 lbs
Bodyfat loss: 3.5" off waist

To me those numbers leave a little room for muscle tissue loss, but not a whole bunch considering the weight loss overall.

Strength gains

Tren has worked incredibly well for gaining strength and surprisingly for me, I am still retaining most all of what I got off of tren (I bet what I lost is largely from the Superdrol gains as that has happened to me once before on it). I am still squatting 235x5 for multiple sets, deadlifts are still easy at 315, and CGBP is holding at 235x4. Those numbers aren't that strong but for me I am really happy to retain them for now, especially through pct.

PCT

The first couple of weeks were rough on the libido, probably because of the Tren and partly just performance anxiety. Nothing ever quit working however, which is good.

Right now my libido is really strong. In fact I am losing more hair now that my libido is sky high (relatively speaking), so that makes me think it is definitely time to start taking finasteride.

I definitely look softer in the mirror and less vascular, but overall I like the leaner look.
 
Thanks keith and beelzebub!

Now that I going to be off cycle for quite some time, it gives me some time to reflect on what I have done so far and to weigh the positives and negatives. My two biggest problems right now are a mild case of gyno and significant unexplained hair loss after this cycle. Otherwise I have experienced quite a few side effects from the various AAS/PH/PS I have used, none of which appear to have had a long term negative impact on my health (will get blood work done at some point).

I probably have about 25-30 lbs or more extra muscle tissue than when I started in May '04. I no longer have an eating disorder and seem to have managed a relatively high metabolic rate overall (which means I can eat like I have always wanted to).

All in all, I would have to say it was and is definitely worth it to me to be where I am rather than where I was 15 months ago. I learned a lot more about my body in the past 15 months than I could have in a lot of other ways. Chalk one up for experiential education I guess.
 
Great log....I just read through this as I want to do a similar cycle only not as long as yours. How you doing now, you keep most of your gains and still lean?
 
Hey thanks for reading Manu. Glad the log is helpful. I haven't been checking this site regularly nor keeping a journal.

But my weight stabilized at 220-225 lbs. Waist is somewhere around 37". I have had no trouble at all maintaining it. Used no supplements to speak of so far. And it has now been 3+ months since I went off.

The strength gains from the Tren eventually completely left me as far as I can tell. But I could keep them quite awhile after the cycle if I worked at it hard.

The muscle retention is still complete as far as I can tell. Haven't gained or lost anything. Maintenance has been easy for me since I can eat 5000 kcals pretty easily.

I finally stopped losing hair. I think the test and tren were hurting me there. It doesn't look bad at all and I still have a full head of hair. No noticeable balding spots. Just not as thick as it was. Gyno never really went away nor have I taken significant steps to make that happen yet.
 
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