I like Clout/Body Octane combo. Been using it a couple of days now, I did cardio this morning and felt great. I've used N.O. Shotgun for about 3 years straight and Redline on non training days, so I'm pretty familiar with the high BP jacked up jitters. I'm tired of all that and really like the smoothe clean energy I'm getting from the Clout/Body Octane combo. I can think clearly and don't feel over stimmed. Which is what I use to like(feeling stimmed out of my mind) about those other products. This combo is def a better choice for me now. No more staying up all night waiting for the N.O. to wear off so I can sleep. Loads of energy while being able to focus... that about sums it up.