What's safer? EC or clen?

Machwon1

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What is safer? Clen dosed 2 weeks on 2 weeks off....

Or ec stack 4 weeks on 25mg dose 2x daily with 200mg C dosed 2x daily..

Just want to do whatever is safer.... Don't wanna die lol.
 
So... My choice basically? Lol... I was gonna go oxyelite/at2... But idk now I want the fat to really come off... Might do clen 3 weeks at 100mcg once ramping up... See how that works....
 
Machwon1 said:
What is safer? Clen dosed 2 weeks on 2 weeks off....

Or ec stack 4 weeks on 25mg dose 2x daily with 200mg C dosed 2x daily..

Just want to do whatever is safer.... Don't wanna die lol.
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EC, at least from my experience- I have gotten chest pains, handshakes, and jaw cramps (these really suck) from taking clen over 120 mcg/day. Never had any issues on EC besides a little extra anxiety..
 
EasyEJL said:
Foot cramps from clen can suck as well
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Yeah- I actually like clen better than ECA from a stimulant standpoint- it seems to be a little cleaner, but having your jaw, hamstring, and calf lock up at the same time during a track workout is not fun, lol
 
Ya any deaths credited towards clen? On only 100-120mcg?

Side note when doing cardio my heart rate is up in the 175-180 range.... Like the max I'm suppose to have I think....
 
Well I was giving up stims but, after a few weeks of ****ty workouts - I'm back on the EC stack. 32mg of Ephedrine HCL with 200mg Caffeine 2x per day.

Never took Clen - I'm scared of Clen - but I think EC is very safe as long as you don't go hog wild.
 
It is my understanding that some clen info I have read in the past can affect your heart, make it grow funny or something, I am not sure, like maybe the wall thickness or efficiency I don't really know, something about heart enlargement...honestly take my post with a grain of salt since I will not be posting any credible sources

I glanced over some clen stuff in the past but only briefly, just by google searching side effects, heart enlargement from clen etc...

Now almost everyone who takes clen says that when your done using it you feel fine, stating they do not believe there are any long term sides since they feel ok..

However, just because you feel fine does not mean you are, there could be something going on inside your body you don't know about

I hope I am allowed to post this link, but you can find some info here:

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EC is pretty tolerable as far as side effects go........other than my HR, and obvious energy boost..........never had any real side effects....

clen on the other hand, tremors, profuse sweating......just isnt fun to take orally
 
I actually prefer ephedrine in terms of results and effects. Ephedrine is safer for me because it is in and out of my body much faster than clen; does not hang around.

Mike
 
eca also does a good job of suppressing appetite too, even more so if u add a lil yohimbine....i would like to try real clen, got 2 bottlesfrom dif research facilities and they are way underdosed IMO,was taking up to 200mcg a dayand barely any affect at all, slight hand trmble
 
Machwon1 said:
What is safer? Clen dosed 2 weeks on 2 weeks off....

Or ec stack 4 weeks on 25mg dose 2x daily with 200mg C dosed 2x daily..

Just want to do whatever is safer.... Don't wanna die lol.
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EC if done at a moderate dosage.

Heres some info on Clen:

Study on Clenbuterol and Heart Disease
from Muscular Development, Dan Gwartney, MD, Invalid Link Removed

Bodybuilders and other athletes have long sought an effective pharmaceutical means of shedding body fat. Historically, three agents have been most highly regarded as fat-burning drugs; they are clenbuterol, Cytomel (T3) and dinitrophenol (DNP). Of these three, only Cytomel is clinically used in the United States, and only for rare conditions of thyroid disease, not as a weight loss agent. All three of these drugs have been shown to have dangerous side effects.

Potential for Harm
The most widely abused of the three drugs is clenbuterol. In part, this is due to the report that clenbuterol is anabolic in animals, as well as a potent fat-burner, though the anabolic effect seems to be minimal or absent in humans.1 While clenbuterol is used by many athletes, it has found favor with female athletes and entertainers because it is not androgenic, and will therefore not cause the unwanted side effects seen with steroid abuse.2
Most experienced users of clenbuterol realize it is a drug with limited effect, and they schedule its use for brief periods, typically using a two-days-on/ two-days-off cycle. This on-and-off schedule is necessary, as clenbuterol causes a rapid down-regulation of the receptors that are responsible for its actions.3 In other words, clenbuterol will quickly "burn out" the cells and stop working with prolonged use.

However, as use of clenbuterol spreads, less knowledgeable users gain access to the drug, and "inappropriate" use becomes common. The problem is magnified by the fact that clenbuterol users obtain the drug from illicit, black market sources and do not seek professional advice regarding its use, risks or side effects. The risk of harm is greatly increased when the drug is used indiscriminately, or for prolonged periods.

Most of the safety data on clenbuterol has been obtained using animal studies, due in part to its high-risk profile. There are published reports of humans suffering serious consequences with clenbuterol abuse, including overdose and heart attack, but these effects are primarily related to short-term exposure.4,5

A Study of Horses
Recently, a study was published based on an investigation of chronic (long-term) use of clenbuterol and its effect on heart function in exercising horses.6 The horse may not seem like a good comparison to humans for issues like drug abuse, but in actuality, the horse is an excellent model to use when investigating effects related to exercise.

This study was designed to evaluate any effects of clenbuterol, given five days per week, on the heart size or function of exercising horses. The horses used a treadmill at various speeds for 20 minutes a day, three days per week, and the hearts were examined by echocardiography, which allows the heart to be viewed and measured on a monitor.

The investigators discovered that after eight weeks of clenbuterol treatment, the hearts of the horses had undergone structural changes, which made them work less efficiently and also made them more prone to certain heart problems. These changes were only evident immediately following exercise, when the heart was working harder, but the authors of the study felt that the changes might have become more apparent after a longer treatment period. The data from the study also showed that the VO2 max of the clenbuterol treated horses was lower, suggesting that they would become more easily fatigued and have a lower exercise tolerance.

Sadly, the study did not collect data on changes in blood pressure in the animals, leaving some of the results open to interpretation. Previous animal studies, predominantly on mice and rats, have shown significant changes in heart size, with the heart muscle hypertrophy keeping pace with the anabolic effect on other muscles.7,8 There is some contention as to whether this change in heart size affects function and if it is "negative" growth (pathologic) versus positive growth (physiologic). Several of the studies have determined through measures of RNA, protein content or enzyme levels that the change is physiologic, or a "good" growth. However, none of these studies have shown improved cardiovascular performance as a consequence of the clenbuterol induced changes.9
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I'd take clen over EC IF it didn't wreak havoc on the joints. Because of that EC is usually my choice over clen. I'll take a bit less effectiveness in order to be able to workout effectively.
 
blackscorp said:
EC if done at a moderate dosage.

Heres some info on Clen:
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that study is funny, they use the fact that the anabolic effect (which doesn't occur in humans) raises the heart size to generate fear that there could be heart issues in humans?
 
I didn't notice much from either one though. I don't know how to test and see if my clen is legit or not. Anyways I tried the ECA stack for a while and then quit then I went to clen. It's a lot cheaper and I don't have to worry about dosing it multiple times per day.
 
How about ECA x Transdermal Clen?

Also, does Transdermal Clen have more of a spot reduction effect or still overall basically?
 
It's been years since I've taken clen, and I don't seem to recall its affect on appetite suppression compared to ECA. Anyone care to compare the two in that regard?
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
It's been years since I've taken clen, and I don't seem to recall its affect on appetite suppression compared to ECA. Anyone care to compare the two in that regard?
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I'm running clen right now, first thing I did when I got home was have a good sized meal. All I know is that when I grab a coffee in the morning at Starbucks I don't feel like eating until late afternoon. Add some E to that and I prob wouldn't feel much like eating at all.

The clen is OK so far, I'm running a farily tame dose as I don't have a ton of fat to burn and I have lots of time to do it. I notice it has a bit of a mood enhancing effect. As far as the stim feeling 1.5 scoops of Assault gets me waaaay more wired, again it's all dose-dependant I suppose.
 
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