What to stack with 1-T Tren?

The_Reverend said:
I can't possibly consume more water. Roughly 2 gallons a day not including gatorade and such. Very low sodium. Less than the daily recommended intake. ZERO stims; I even cut out my morning coffee which sucks ass. I take a 3-6-9 combo of fish oil. No coq10 though.

I was in the waiting room for about 15 minutes before it was taken, too. It was in the afternoon if that makes any difference.

The weird thing is that it also happened with 1-T. I really hate to admit this because of how much I like all the PP topicals. I can't quite remember if it also happened on Sustain because it's been a while since I've used it last. Guess I'll find out in a couple weeks if not sooner during PCT.

If anyone can shed some light on this and find a solution, I'd be forever grateful. I have no desire to stop the Tren damn it!
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im telling you Ameal BP, walgreens or ebay.

last time i took it, i had no stims in the morning, bp was taken about 1:30.

i was 110/68 ish on a natty tbooster stack. I normally run 140/85 and doc never says anything about those numbers.

You really only need to drop 20 points each side and be MORE than okay.

I think ameal can do that for you.

Give it a shot, i just seen them on sale at walgreens for 18 bux for a month supply.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
im telling you Ameal BP, walgreens or ebay.

last time i took it, i had no stims in the morning, bp was taken about 1:30.

i was 110/68 ish on a natty tbooster stack. I normally run 140/85 and doc never says anything about those numbers.

You really only need to drop 20 points each side and be okay.

I think ameal can do that for you.

Give it a shot, i just seen them on sale at walgreens for 18 bux for a month supply.
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You better believe I'm stopping by tomorrow after work. Thanks man. I really appreciate the help, and I'll report back in a day or so.
 
The_Reverend said:
You better believe I'm stopping by tomorrow after work. Thanks man. I really appreciate the help, and I'll report back in a day or so.
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i hope it helps brah.

i really do.

what was your bp prior to cycle under same conditions? this is VERY VERY important.

BP is serious business, but its also measured in a way that doesnt tell how much ACTUAL pressure is really on the vessell walls.

just saying, its an indirect measurement, so dont think your dying here.

if you get headaches, dizzy spells or bleed---- then its time to start looking and logging it.
 
The_Reverend said:
I can't possibly consume more water. Roughly 2 gallons a day not including gatorade and such. Very low sodium. Less than the daily recommended intake. ZERO stims; I even cut out my morning coffee which sucks ass. I take a 3-6-9 combo of fish oil. No coq10 though.

I was in the waiting room for about 15 minutes before it was taken, too. It was in the afternoon if that makes any difference.

The weird thing is that it also happened with 1-T. I really hate to admit this because of how much I like all the PP topicals. I can't quite remember if it also happened on Sustain because it's been a while since I've used it last. Guess I'll find out in a couple weeks if not sooner during PCT.

If anyone can shed some light on this and find a solution, I'd be forever grateful. I have no desire to stop the Tren damn it!
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Hey Rev,

Do you have a family history of hypertension; or had issues in the past yourself? Genetic predisposition is by far the worst risk factor; these cases are almost always not properly controlled unless medically managed.

If not, diet would be the first place to start, but it looks like you have the sodium aspect covered. I honestly don't have much faith at all in OTC products that are supposed to alleviate hypertension issues.

It's tough to really pinpoint where the issue is coming form here. It's typically the more potent androgenic compounds that exhibit these type of issues, but some people unfortunately have that genetic achilles heel to begin with.

It's cliche to say, but "white coat" hypertension is a real phenomena as well. It's possible this played somewhat of a role. I'd be interested to see what your blood pressure is manually first thing in the morning. What's your resting pulse?

Either way, always play it safe in the end. I agree that if you feel this is a significant issue that the best course of action is to bail from the cycle and begin PCT. Always put your health first my friend.


-John
 
excellent advice from john.

I know what has worked for me, but everyone is different. CoQ10 is another OTC that has been shown to reduct hypertension. Again, everyone is different.

I also know, I have seen as much as a 10-15 point difference in BP readings from the time the nurse takes my BP, to the time my Doctor comes in a takes it. Serious. 15 points. Go figure.

Like T1 stated, if you have a doubts at all, dump the cycle and get into pct. Better safe than sorry, sometimes.
 
Well today was day 2 without the Tren, and it's been a huge improvement in how I feel. However, it was the first day in the gym without, and it sucked fat donkey balls; even on SD. What a dilemma I have.
 
The_Reverend said:
Well today was day 2 without the Tren, and it's been a huge improvement in how I feel. However, it was the first day in the gym without, and it sucked fat donkey balls; even on SD. What a dilemma I have.
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Im telling you, try the OTC stuff I listed.

Ameal BP worked for me brah. Im not pimping, just telling you what the cuff read.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Im telling you, try the OTC stuff I listed.

Ameal BP worked for me brah. Im not pimping, just telling you what the cuff read.
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You don't know what my body was telling me. I literally felt at times like my heart was going to explode out of my chest. There were times when I was reclining on my sofa and had a palpitation hit so hard, that my couch actually had a tremor. No, I am no embellishing. Today is day 3 and I feel 95% normal again. I've spent countless hours researching and talking to my doc. I have no choice but to stop. I won't lie, I am going through a pretty difficult time in my life right now and my stress levels are elevated quite a bit, so my plan is to run this exact stack later in the year and see what happens. I'm telling you guys, I felt like GOD for the two weeks I ran the 1-T Tren and SD. It is one bad ass stack. I'm just glad I stocked up on the Tren when I had the chance.
 
Hey guys, sorry if I am hijacking. I am fairly new and do not know proper forum etiquette. I am on day 30 of Tren-LV stacked with Androhard. My starting weight was 186and this morning I was 200 on the nose. Call me a sissy, but there is no way I could of stacked epi, halodrol, or superdrol with the tren. And have done all three. I have been taking 1 1/2 mLs three times a day of the tren and 5mLs twice a day of the Androhard. Androhard is definitely my new buddy in future cycles. It seemed to compliment the tren perfect. I really could not ask for much more out of a cycle. This is only my seventh DS cycle, but definitely the best.
 
catty66 said:
Hey guys, sorry if I am hijacking. I am fairly new and do not know proper forum etiquette. I am on day 30 of Tren-LV stacked with Androhard. My starting weight was 186and this morning I was 200 on the nose. Call me a sissy, but there is no way I could of stacked epi, halodrol, or superdrol with the tren. And have done all three. I have been taking 1 1/2 mLs three times a day of the tren and 5mLs twice a day of the Androhard. Androhard is definitely my new buddy in future cycles. It seemed to compliment the tren perfect. I really could not ask for much more out of a cycle. This is only my seventh DS cycle, but definitely the best.
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This was my first dance with Tren, and I was very impressed in the short time I was on it. When I run it again, I don't think I have a choice but to include Androhard with all the reviews I've read. Nice gains, too!
 
Quick update - It's been going well on the superdrol alone, but since I'm pretty much an idiot, I've decided I'm going to start up the 1-T Tren again. I have 1 week left of the SD and I figure running the Tren will help me finish off this kick ass cycle I've had. Depending how well things go this time around, I may run the full 1.5 bottles of Tren I have left.

I just need to feel that indestructible aura again. So, flame away guys, I'm ready!
 
Final update - I started the 1-T Tren back up after taking some time off, and I'm glad I did. I still had elevated BP, but the palpitations were not nearly as bad. Chalk it up to stress I suppose. (I'm going through a lot of crap)

Total weight gain after 6 weeks is 17lbs with almost no increase in body fat. I'm still right around 8% if not a tad lower. Strength is through the roof and vascularity is off the charts. I finally have veins "popping" in my midsection.

The difference in running M Drol solo vs running it with 1-T Tren is night and day. When on the Tren, I had ridiculous aggression along with pumps so severe that it truly hurt at times. The alpha male feeling was quite possibly the strongest I had ever experienced. This stack is truly heavenly and not for the weak.

Good news is that I have 1 bottle left of Tren. Bad news is I "only" have 1 bottle of Tren left. I will be running this stack again next year, and I can't wait. Looks like I'll also add Androhard as well. The reviews have been too good not to add it.

My cycle was as follows:

weeks 1 -3 Tren @ 4 pumps
weeks 2 -6 M Drol @ 10mg/daily
weeks 4 -6 Tren @ 3 pumps

PCT started a few days ago and so far, all is good. :bigok:
 
Tren without Androhard vs. Tren with Androhard was truly a night and day experience for myself. Essentially ZERO sides with the Androhard, as opposed to the horrible shut-down, lethargy, dead-d!ck, minor gyno post cycle and overall feeling crappy. I hope that the next time you run Tren, your results will be as good as mine were. Best of luck!
 
natandrb said:
Tren without Androhard vs. Tren with Androhard was truly a night and day experience for myself. Essentially ZERO sides with the Androhard, as opposed to the horrible shut-down, lethargy, dead-d!ck, minor gyno post cycle and overall feeling crappy. I hope that the next time you run Tren, your results will be as good as mine were. Best of luck!
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LOL. If your running any Tren compound you definitely do not want to be without a DHT companion as part of your stack...you unfortunately learned your lesson there. :D

Additionally, I would say if your cutting then go with AndroHard and a Tren compound, but if your bulking then go with The ONE and a Tren Compound.

Running Tren compounds with a DHT companion can make a man feel like a god...the alpha male and invincibility feeling is unparalleled.

Cheers!:cheers:
 
SamBoz19 said:
LOL. If your running any Tren compound you definitely do not want to be without a DHT companion as part of your stack...you unfortunately learned your lesson there. :D

Additionally, I would say if your cutting then go with AndroHard and a Tren compound, but if your bulking then go with The ONE and a Tren Compound.

Running Tren compounds with a DHT companion can make a man feel like a god...the alpha male and invincibility feeling is unparalleled.

Cheers!:cheers:
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That sounds like a killer stack. I do believe I have a few bottles left of The One. :yup:
 
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