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CompEdgeLabs said:
Lets see how it works in real world practice and if it pans out, that may be possible.
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but Ziqour basically posted the A:A ratio on all the designers

its just about as androgenic but far less anabolic as E-Stane

my opinion if it has any merit is to add a THP ester to increase the half life hopefully keeping the same A:A ratio. this way it goes up against Dymethazine as far as half life, Strength, and gains.

The only thing you wont get is supercompensation. or maybe you will. but either way it seems to me E-stane is a better option.

But if your thinking of doing mixes of the hormonals you already have then look into

Hdrol + PPlex at 75 and 30mg respectivly

Hdrol + EStane at 75 and 30 respectivly

Hdrol +M14ADD at 75 and 100mg respectivly (currently on this and its good)

M14ADD+Estane at 100mg and 30 mg respectivly.





you should look into a tren compound at 35mg per cap 90 cap bottle.

and with that you have soo many Stack options to come out with

Tren + epi
Tren+ Mdrol
Tren+ M14ADD
 
It seems CEL provides the best price and quality. So you want them to mix the powders and combine it into a pill and they have to charge for the additional weighing and mixing? Also what you think is a awesome idea for dosing may be horrible to someone else. Nice and simple single clones at the best prices and quality. Let the users decide how they want to dose. 19 Nor is a good idea but a higher dosing than the others would be best from what I've read on it.
 
[3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol

Please: 100mg per cap. Under $35.00. U could call it winny-plex. Or winny-drol.
 
mattd46612 said:
It seems CEL provides the best price and quality. So you want them to mix the powders and combine it into a pill and they have to charge for the additional weighing and mixing? Also what you think is a awesome idea for dosing may be horrible to someone else. Nice and simple single clones at the best prices and quality. Let the users decide how they want to dose. 19 Nor is a good idea but a higher dosing than the others would be best from what I've read on it.
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I doubt you will ever see ph combos from us because they dont allow for proper dosing and timing.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
I doubt you will ever see ph combos from us because they dont allow for proper dosing and timing.
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Any word yet on updates?

Are you looking to bring a new compound to the market or a good clone at this time?

Frankly, CEL is the only company I would ever trust for a clone, and I would have no problem using any clone you ever came out with! :head:
 
wjb33 said:
Any word yet on updates?

Are you looking to bring a new compound to the market or a good clone at this time?

Frankly, CEL is the only company I would ever trust for a clone, and I would have no problem using any clone you ever came out with! :head:
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Most likely just clones. We will have some neat non-hormonal things that will be more on the original side.

No real updates on things because its company policy that we cant talk about new things before they are released, but we do have several new items that are just weeks away
 
crazyfool405 said:
but Ziqour basically posted the A:A ratio on all the designers

its just about as androgenic but far less anabolic as E-Stane

my opinion if it has any merit is to add a THP ester to increase the half life hopefully keeping the same A:A ratio. this way it goes up against Dymethazine as far as half life, Strength, and gains.

The only thing you wont get is supercompensation. or maybe you will. but either way it seems to me E-stane is a better option.
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Are you talking about a THP-Esther of Dymethazine or a THP-Esther of SD?
If is about Masteron THP-Esther, I'm agree with you.

Some A/A ratios of compounds related to SD:
Superdrol: 20/400
Dymethazine: 95/210
Masteron THP-Ester: 44-88/219-395

I think Masteron THP-Esther would be even better than dymethazine: less androgenic, more anabolic, and its not 17a-methylated.

Less hairloss, less liver damage,... yes, that's what i would like.
 
JBerto said:
Are you talking about a THP-Esther of Dymethazine or a THP-Esther of SD?
If is about Masteron THP-Esther, I'm agree with you.

Some A/A ratios of compounds related to SD:
Superdrol: 20/400
Dymethazine: 95/210
Masteron THP-Ester: 44-88/219-395

I think Masteron THP-Esther would be even better than dymethazine: less androgenic, more anabolic, and its not 17a-methylated.

Less hairloss, less liver damage,... yes, that's what i would like.
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X2..Agree
 
I know you've heard this a lot, but let's get a prostanazol clone running boys! and if you dose them at 100mg in 90ct bottles, even better!!!
 
A Tren Extreme Clone would be the only thing your missing. The products you already carry cover it all except for a Progestine and Tren has very nice strength gains. Ive ran it stand alone with great results and zero sides and ive ran it with Epistane and had decent results but actually prefered the gains from the stand alone run. Also ive retained the strength and weight gains with no problem from these cycles.
I am now running M drol with an E stane bridge for the first time and am excited about running your products. Thanx for bringing quality back to the game.
 
in a perfect world something that increases size, strength, aggression, libido...that is not methylated. AKA a legal testosterone magic pill we could run as a base to our ph cycles. Good luck!......your products have been great keep up the good work
 
jakellpet said:
The stim market is getting crowded - there's plenty of great products already out there.
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Yeah man, but spike it with a good dose of real epherdra. Like redline extremes man I swear something really good is in there. They are doing something right I got amped on that even now that I use it ED and have been for a while, well I wont lie I' use about 2 of them for a good 2.5hr workout. So yeah find out the real ingredients in redline and clone that bad boy!
 
Maybe a protein powder... something like casein protein would be ideal. Oh man, I'm getting a boner just thinking about it. Or how about a completely novel substance? Take the oils from a fish or something... now that would be wierd!!!

Just like many others have said, anything which boosts the main 3; Strength, Size, and Libido. Are you asking for ph/ds ideas or just a better/revamped supplement already on the market?
 
1-ene-The-ONE

Another idea for a new hormonal:

AN has launch "The ONE" (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine), well, probably i'm wrong but i think remember the 2-ene variations are more anabolic and less androgenic than 3-ene, and 1-ene are even more anabolic and less androgenic than 2-ene (supposedly original Mass Tabs was the 1-ene version of SD).

So why not 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-1-hydroxyimine?

(You could name it "One-To-ONE") :D
 
JBerto said:
Another idea for a new hormonal:

AN has launch "The ONE" (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine), well, probably i'm wrong but i think remember the 2-ene variations are more anabolic and less androgenic than 3-ene, and 1-ene are even more anabolic and less androgenic than 2-ene (supposedly original Mass Tabs was the 1-ene version of SD).

So why not 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-1-hydroxyimine?

(You could name it "One-To-ONE") :D
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What kind of pot do you smoke?
 
JBerto said:
Another idea for a new hormonal:

AN has launch "The ONE" (17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine), well, probably i'm wrong but i think remember the 2-ene variations are more anabolic and less androgenic than 3-ene, and 1-ene are even more anabolic and less androgenic than 2-ene (supposedly original Mass Tabs was the 1-ene version of SD).

So why not 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-1-hydroxyimine?

(You could name it "One-To-ONE") :D
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I am pretty sure Mass Tabs was Methyl Stenbolone...I could be wrong though. Actually I think thats just what IDS called it but it could be true.
 
You guys should do the 13ethyl Gona at 40mg 90caps, like GL was going to do with their X-mass before they did the bait and switch. It would sell out quickly.
 
the THP ether of Masteron looks really promising , i give my vote to it.
a correctly dosed 11oxo clone would be a great add too
 
I'll try to summarize here all of the ideas over this thread about NEW hormonals (no clones), and the link to the first guy who talk about it:


7a-methyl-estra-4-ene,3,17-dione -> Invalid Link Removed

17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a-methyl 1,4-androsterone -> Invalid Link Removed

17a-methyl-estra-4,9-diene-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a,17a-dimethyl-estra-4-ene-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a,11b-dimethyl-estra-4-ene-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

4-Hydroxy-17a-methyl-estra-4,9-diene-3-one -> Invalid Link Removed

4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

A lot of ideas here -> Invalid Link Removed

estra-4,9-diene-cyclopentenyl -> Invalid Link Removed

1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione-cyclopentenyl -> Invalid Link Removed

7a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a-methyl-4-chloro-estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one -> Invalid Link Removed

4-hydroxy-17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene -> Invalid Link Removed

1,4-androstadiene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

estra-4,9-diene-3,17-diol-azine -> Invalid Link Removed

methyl-1-testosterone-azine -> Invalid Link Removed

1,4-androstadienedione-azine -> Invalid Link Removed

1-testosterone-azine -> Invalid Link Removed

Masteron-THP-ether -> Invalid Link Removed

epitio-thp -> Invalid Link Removed

17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-1-en-3-hydroxyimine -> Invalid Link Removed
 
I'll try to classify that:


19-Norandro (estra) derivatives:

7a-methyl-estra-4-ene,3,17-dione -> Invalid Link Removed

estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

17a-methyl-estra-4,9-diene-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a,17a-dimethyl-estra-4-ene-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a,11b-dimethyl-estra-4-ene-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

4-OH-estra-4,9-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

4-OH-17a-methyl-estra-4,9-diene-3-one -> Invalid Link Removed

4-OH-estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

estra-4,9-diene-cyclopentenyl -> Invalid Link Removed

7a-methyl-4-OH-estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

7a-methyl-4-chloro-estra-4,9-diene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

estra-4,9-diene-3,17-diol-azine -> Invalid Link Removed


1,4-andro derivatives:

7a-methyl 1,4-androsterone -> Invalid Link Removed

1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione-cyclopentenyl -> Invalid Link Removed

4-OH-17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene -> Invalid Link Removed

1,4-androstadiene-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

1,4-androstadienedione-azine -> Invalid Link Removed

4-chloro-1,4-diene-3,17-diol-THP


2-oxa derivatives:

17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3,17b-diol -> Invalid Link Removed

4-OH-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one -> Invalid Link Removed


1-test derivatives:

methyl-1-testosterone-azine -> Invalid Link Removed

1-testosterone-azine -> Invalid Link Removed



OTHERS:

Masteron-THP-ether -> Invalid Link Removed

epitio-thp -> Invalid Link Removed

17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-1-en-3-hydroxyimine -> Invalid Link Removed



COMMENTS:

Most of that hormonals are variations of already existing compunds (but they're a few new compounds too):

* Change -dione to -diol: this alteration doesn't modify the effects of the "original" -dione compound but improve their conversion rate

* Remove 17a-methyl: reduce the oral-bioavaliability of the compound, the hepatic toxicity and the affinity with the androgen receptors (good for those with MPB), and usually changes the effects of the compound too (for example, 1,4-AD is way different of M1,4AD)

* Adding a 7a-methyl, THP or cyclopentenyl group: improves the oral-bioavailability of the compound but without the risk of the hepatic toxicity of the 17a. The 7a-methyl group improves oral-bioavailability AND prevent 5a-reductase.

* Adding a 4-chloro or 4-hydroxy (4-OH) group: both groups inhibits aromatization and 5a-reduction.

* Adding a 11b-methyl: Prevents aromatization
 
Is there any threat of most of these getting banned soon? I'm guessing with A-rods problems and all these guys failing tests with 11 oxo that these legislators are licking their chops..
 
JBerto said:
...COMMENTS:

Most of that hormonals are variations of already existing compunds (but they're a few new compounds too):

* Change -dione to -diol: this alteration doesn't modify the effects of the "original" -dione compound but improve their conversion rate

* Remove 17a-methyl: reduce the oral-bioavaliability of the compound, the hepatic toxicity and the affinity with the androgen receptors (good for those with MPB), and usually changes the effects of the compound too (for example, 1,4-AD is way different of M1,4AD)

* Adding a 7a-methyl, THP or cyclopentenyl group: improves the oral-bioavailability of the compound but without the risk of the hepatic toxicity of the 17a. The 7a-methyl group improves oral-bioavailability AND prevent 5a-reductase.

* Adding a 4-chloro or 4-hydroxy (4-OH) group: both groups inhibits aromatization and 5a-reduction.

* Adding a 11b-methyl: Prevents aromatization
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The presence of double bonds at various positions have unique intrisc characteristics, this I understand. Do you have any idea what the difference between a 1,4 diene and a 1,5 diene will be? From what I understand, 1,5 dienes are possible to synthesize, but the mechanism is not efficient and thus costly to produce.
 
stxnas said:
The presence of double bonds at various positions have unique intrisc characteristics, this I understand. Do you have any idea what the difference between a 1,4 diene and a 1,5 diene will be? From what I understand, 1,5 dienes are possible to synthesize, but the mechanism is not efficient and thus costly to produce.
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A company will launch soon a new DS with a 1,5 double bond (17b-Hydroxy-17-methyl-Androsta-1,5-dien-3-one), so we will see wich are the effects of 1,5.
 
JBerto said:
A company will launch soon a new DS with a 1,5 double bond (17b-Hydroxy-17-methyl-Androsta-1,5-dien-3-one), so we will see wich are the effects of 1,5.
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who is releasing this? do you know what it will be called? pm me if you cant say so in this thread bro!
 
dymethazine seems to be getting good results. maybe you guys will consider a clone of that? or if this 1,5 compound is good, maybe a clone of that as well?
 
P4D2A022 said:
dymethazine seems to be getting good results. maybe you guys will consider a clone of that? or if this 1,5 compound is good, maybe a clone of that as well?
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BTW, now that iForce has "re-discovered" de "azine-technology", i've found another interesting azinated compound in Vida, similar to DMZ:

17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane-3,3-azine

Its dymethazine but without the 2a-methyl, and according to Vida (page 90) it possess 300% anabolic activity and 20% androgenic activity than Methyltestosterone when administered orally (in Vida DMZ is only 210%, 95% -> Invalid Link Removed)


That compound (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane-3,3-azine) have a very good Q ratio of 15:

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a non methyl ph combined w a gh type product like pfull. something to stack with ur others.

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