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poopypants said:
Agreed... wonder what the big deal was with not releasing what it really was....

No way to run it through a GCMS? or send a sample to a chem house and seeing if they can resynthisize the same??? prob big bucks huh...
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I know this is the issue w/Kilosports' Trenadrol. The stuff is potent as hell and has sides you'd usually see with a methylated product yet they claim it is simple trena.

Its been through GCMS IIRC and still no one has iso'd it. PA tried to iso it too if im not mistaken.
 
ya Im pretty sure he went at it back when it was first released and couldnt make anything of it... but at least it didnt match anythign previous so we know its legit..... whatever it was.. get A.L. rea to divluge it already... why does he have to hlod on to it???

Or what about GL? they are still around no? wonder why they stopped making it too??? was it just left over raws pawned by ALRI so they wouldnt get any heat during the ban period???

guess tthe gov couldnt ban that one either since THEY didnt know what it was... damn.... fotta figure it out guys, its a killer compound..

but ill setlle for a pro-deca: NorAndrostene-3b-ol,17-one

both these are part of the ph ban act correct???
19-nor-4-androstene-3߬17ß*diol
19-Nor-4-androsten-3,17-dione
 
poopypants said:
ya Im pretty sure he went at it back when it was first released and couldnt make anything of it... but at least it didnt match anythign previous so we know its legit..... whatever it was.. get A.L. rea to divluge it already... why does he have to hlod on to it???

Or what about GL? they are still around no? wonder why they stopped making it too??? was it just left over raws pawned by ALRI so they wouldnt get any heat during the ban period???

guess tthe gov couldnt ban that one either since THEY didnt know what it was... damn.... fotta figure it out guys, its a killer compound..

but ill setlle for a pro-deca: NorAndrostene-3b-ol,17-one

both these are part of the ph ban act correct???
19-nor-4-androstene-3߬17ß*diol
19-Nor-4-androsten-3,17-dione
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Yeah, I seen both of those on a list a while back :(
 
Ziquor said:
Yeah, I seen both of those on a list a while back :(
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they are basically the two that the first(NorAndrostane) convert to then into deca... figured since it was a one step conversion that it had to be part of the act...

I think that its rediculous that ph's are banned... specially 4-AD, I mean its freakin in our bodies already!!!!! well... same for test... but anywho, i digress....

time to start digging again for the forgotten ph's and compounds from the list...
 
poopypants said:
they are basically the two that the first(NorAndrostane) convert to then into deca... figured since it was a one step conversion that it had to be part of the act...

I think that its rediculous that ph's are banned... specially 4-AD, I mean its freakin in our bodies already!!!!! well... same for test... but anywho, i digress....

time to start digging again for the forgotten ph's and compounds from the list...
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No doubt I always wondered about that too - especially with 4AD. It doesn't get much more natural than that but those bastards (you know who you are) still find ways to get rid of them :FUfinger:
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
To be honest thats so far over my head, I dont even know what you are referring to lol
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here is some info on it:

Nilevar
(norethandrolone)

Nilevar was one of the first oral steroids available in the United States. It was essentially Searle´s answer to Ciba´s Dianabol (Methandrostenolone), which was released that same year. In fact, with respect to Nilevar´s effects on weight gain, anabolism, and water-retention, it is frequently compared to Dianabol. Seven years prior, to the release of Nilevar, the Mayo Clinic heralded the dramatic effectiveness of cortisone in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis.


the stuffs actually really crappy imo...
 
well they made m1,4add.... thats ph to DBOL... dunno though if such is even possible for anadrol... that would be crazy... but preferably Id like to just see what effects an unmethylated anadrol would have... is THAT a possibility?
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Prohormone to anadrol.. lol

unless it can be done.. then that'd be neat.
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Legality becomes an issue if it even is possible.

M1,4ADD is so hard to come by because overseas sources suck and its illegal to manufacturer in the US as it requires the synthesis of dianabol.
 
For $hits and giggles, Anadrol diol PH would be: 2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androst-3,17b-diol
 
Ziquor said:
M-Drol is Super Saturated Anadrol and would have the closest gains without the excess water :thumbsup:
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What do you mean by super saturated? And if it's so close to Anadrol does that mean it activates estrogen directly as opposed to aromatizing? This could explain the reports of gyno with this compound.
 
CHAPS said:
What do you mean by super saturated? And if it's so close to Anadrol does that mean it activates estrogen directly as opposed to aromatizing? This could explain the reports of gyno with this compound.
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SD is reduced (saturated) with hydrogen at the 2nd position in comparison to Anadrol. And yes Chaps! I always personally thought the same thing about SD, since SD is a also a derivitive of DHT and impossible to aromitize. Just like Anadrol it quite possibly can directly activate the estrogen receptor which would mean that AI's would be useless against SD gyno, and only a SERM would be effective in this situation.
 
Ziquor said:
SD is reduced (saturated) with hydrogen at the 2nd position in comparison to Anadrol. And yes Chaps! I always personally thought the same thing about SD, since SD is a also a derivitive of DHT and impossible to aromitize. Just like Anadrol it quite possibly can directly activate the estrogen receptor which would mean that AI's would be useless against SD gyno, and only a SERM would be effective in this situation.
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So have you become head of the CEL formulary team yet Z?

:bb3:
 
Trauma1 said:
So have you become head of the CEL formulary team yet Z?

:bb3:
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His opinion means tenfold more than the grapeskin antioxidant pct cowboy. :lol:
 
Ziquor said:
SD is reduced (saturated) with hydrogen at the 2nd position in comparison to Anadrol. And yes Chaps! I always personally thought the same thing about SD, since SD is a also a derivitive of DHT and impossible to aromitize. Just like Anadrol it quite possibly can directly activate the estrogen receptor which would mean that AI's would be useless against SD gyno, and only a SERM would be effective in this situation.
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This would definitely explain the gyno i hear ppl talk about, i bought a bottle of m-drol and did 20mg for 1 day and had puffyness but it coulda been the Dermacrine as that did that to me, i'll probably give it another go and just keep the nolva on hand, i want the gains but i tend to be more sensitive to gyno.
 
I litterally will get a flare up and sensativity within two three days with SD... thats why I gave away like 4 bottles.

it def has estrogenic effects in some as it swhat started the gyno for me in the first place as I only had eform while on cycle for the puffyness and the 6-oxo I ran for pct didnt do jack either... I had to run a standalone ATD and Nolva pct for my pct to finally reduce it but by then I was screwd and prone now....
 
M-drol?

Ziquor said:
M-Drol is Super Saturated Anadrol and would have the closest gains without the excess water :thumbsup:
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Excluding water weight what dose of M-drol would yield the muscle gain and strength gain of 50mg of anadrol?? Thanks for your help.
 
well the weight with SD wont come on as fast, not till weeks 3 and 4 does it fly on... BUT most overlook the fact that SD is VERY carb friendly. Pack down complex carbs with every SD dose and youll have some VERY full muscle bellies, great pumps and INSANE strength... creatine should work synergistically well with it as well because of this so where as I normally would save creatine so its fresh in PCT I suggest you dose it 10g ed throughout the cycle. You can EASILY put on 15-30lbs (not all lbm at higher end) in 4 weeks depending on your diet additional supps and edxperience with anabolics.

This is very dry usually BUT alot if the weight at first could be glycogen retention but solidifies very easily.... I ate a (whole) Pizza everyday for lunch my first cycle and still looked like this by cycles end...

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so to really answer your question, use the smallest dose of SD or Mdrol possible, the sides can be INSANE specially the anger/irritability and with too high a dose and not enough electrolytes back pumps are SEVERE.. those are just the noticable ones.. not what its doing to your liver and lipids. Your dose of SD should start at 10mg, seriously, and then keep at 20mg for as long as possible 30mg would be a MAX dose and really has the chance to bring the severe sides... your results will likely be more dependant on your diet (a good clean carb filled diet at 20mg would be my choice).
 
poopypants said:
well the weight with SD wont come on as fast, not till weeks 3 and 4 does it fly on... BUT most overlook the fact that SD is VERY carb friendly. Pack down complex carbs with every SD dose and youll have some VERY full muscle bellies, great pumps and INSANE strength... creatine should work synergistically well with it as well because of this so where as I normally would save creatine so its fresh in PCT I suggest you dose it 10g ed throughout the cycle. You can EASILY put on 15-30lbs (not all lbm at higher end) in 4 weeks depending on your diet additional supps and edxperience with anabolics.

This is very dry usually BUT alot if the weight at first could be glycogen retention but solidifies very easily.... I ate a (whole) Pizza everyday for lunch my first cycle and still looked like this by cycles end...

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so to really answer your question, use the smallest dose of SD or Mdrol possible, the sides can be INSANE specially the anger/irritability and with too high a dose and not enough electrolytes back pumps are SEVERE.. those are just the noticable ones.. not what its doing to your liver and lipids. Your dose of SD should start at 10mg, seriously, and then keep at 20mg for as long as possible 30mg would be a MAX dose and really has the chance to bring the severe sides... your results will likely be more dependant on your diet (a good clean carb filled diet at 20mg would be my choice).
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Exactly, more isn't better :thumbsup:

On a side note, a whole pizza ED? Damn that'd be my ideal diet :)
 
poopypants said:
well the weight with SD wont come on as fast, not till weeks 3 and 4 does it fly on... BUT most overlook the fact that SD is VERY carb friendly. Pack down complex carbs with every SD dose and youll have some VERY full muscle bellies, great pumps and INSANE strength... creatine should work synergistically well with it as well because of this so where as I normally would save creatine so its fresh in PCT I suggest you dose it 10g ed throughout the cycle. You can EASILY put on 15-30lbs (not all lbm at higher end) in 4 weeks depending on your diet additional supps and edxperience with anabolics.

This is very dry usually BUT alot if the weight at first could be glycogen retention but solidifies very easily.... I ate a (whole) Pizza everyday for lunch my first cycle and still looked like this by cycles end...

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so to really answer your question, use the smallest dose of SD or Mdrol possible, the sides can be INSANE specially the anger/irritability and with too high a dose and not enough electrolytes back pumps are SEVERE.. those are just the noticable ones.. not what its doing to your liver and lipids. Your dose of SD should start at 10mg, seriously, and then keep at 20mg for as long as possible 30mg would be a MAX dose and really has the chance to bring the severe sides... your results will likely be more dependant on your diet (a good clean carb filled diet at 20mg would be my choice).
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Excellent advice.
 
poopypants said:
I litterally will get a flare up and sensativity within two three days with SD... thats why I gave away like 4 bottles.

it def has estrogenic effects in some as it swhat started the gyno for me in the first place as I only had eform while on cycle for the puffyness and the 6-oxo I ran for pct didnt do jack either... I had to run a standalone ATD and Nolva pct for my pct to finally reduce it but by then I was screwd and prone now....
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Ya i'm a little leary about trying it again after reading this post of yours, think even 10mg ed or even pulsed would cause this?
 
CHAPS said:
Ya i'm a little leary about trying it again after reading this post of yours, think even 10mg ed or even pulsed would cause this?
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If it acts with the estro receptor the same way Anadrol indeed does, running a lower dosed SERM ON cycle would erase any estro related issues.
 
Ziquor said:
If it acts with the estro receptor the same way Anadrol indeed does, running a lower dosed SERM ON cycle would erase any estro related issues.
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Ya no doubt i'd run 20mg Nolvadex maybe even 40mg, and 10mg M-drol. I'm itchin to try 75mg H-drol as well, soon enough i will but i gotta get control of myself i looked in my cupboard today and it looks like a pharmacey lmao
 
CHAPS said:
Ya no doubt i'd run 20mg Nolvadex maybe even 40mg, and 10mg M-drol. I'm itchin to try 75mg H-drol as well, soon enough i will but i gotta get control of myself i looked in my cupboard today and it looks like a pharmacey lmao
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Rarely a reason to exceed 20 mgs/day. 10 mgs/day may be sufficient. Let us know how it works out.
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
On M-Drol? Try 2 weeks :)
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What ppl really really don't get is it's all diet it really is i mean i have gone up to 1100mg test now i go as low as possible to see gains, i'm talkin i did 40mg epistane for 4 weeks and put on 7lbs, i dieted hard before hand and purposely over-trained then switched over gradually to a bulking diet and stayed with my dc training, BAM 7 hard pounds, :thumbsup:.

And ya i think your right lets say 10lbs in 4 weeks, lol
 
CHAPS said:
What ppl really really don't get is it's all diet it really is i mean i have gone up to 1100mg test now i go as low as possible to see gains, i'm talkin i did 40mg epistane for 4 weeks and put on 7lbs, i dieted hard before hand and purposely over-trained then switched over gradually to a bulking diet and stayed with my dc training, BAM 7 hard pounds, :thumbsup:.

And ya i think your right lets say 10lbs in 4 weeks, lol
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Its definitely doable. Pick up some WMS starch to help you in the carb department during the cycle.
 
No doubt 10lb would be attainable quickly :thumbsup: Especially like Poopy stated, if you jack your carbs way up the M-Drol will process them all nicely, excessive amounts too.
 
Usf97j4x4 said:
Its definitely doable. Pick up some WMS starch to help you in the carb department during the cycle.
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this is insanely good advice.... also dont forget the Crea mono and Im sure you have some pslin or AP around right chaps? that will make your creatine so damn potent its not even funny.... only other thing you could possibly do to make is better would be taking anavar... but thats just getting over kill... youll be very well served with just AP and creatine mono in waxymaize(60-80g) and whey(20-35g) preworkout ... youll have pumps so huge :bb3:
 
poopypants said:
this is insanely good advice.... also dont forget the Crea mono and Im sure you have some pslin or AP around right chaps? that will make your creatine so damn potent its not even funny.... only other thing you could possibly do to make is better would be taking anavar... but thats just getting over kill... youll be very well served with just AP and creatine mono in waxymaize(60-80g) and whey(20-35g) preworkout ... youll have pumps so huge :bb3:
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LOL it's funny you should mention anavar because i can get it cheap right now, lol And you best believe i'll be trying it, as it is i always do 60-90g's WMS and anabolic pump 4 times a day, i also just picked up a tub each of SNS Beta-alanine and CEE 501 caps :). But i'm on my cut phase right now 2 weeks in 100 carbs a day for 7 days then 2 reload days i have a whole wack of Epistane so I may throw some of that into that mix as i LOVE that stuff, lol.
 
What is really necessary is a clone of 1-Testosteron
maybe you could name it CEL-1-Test or CEL-Test:nutkick:
 
Change of plan guys i'm selling the M-drol off to a buddy of mine and will most likely be buying some H-drol.
 
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I mentioned my request to MST and Iforce to make an Intra-workout product that would rival Intrabolic and Universal's new intra aid.

Maybe something like Posiden + Intrabolic. A better improved verison of Swell:thumbsup:

Edit: Throw in a nice serving of Cordyceps too!
 
UNCfan1 said:
I mentioned my request to MST and Iforce to make an Intra-workout product that would rival Intrabolic and Universal's new intra aid.

Maybe something like Posiden + Intrabolic. A better improved verison of Swell:thumbsup:

Edit: Throw in a nice serving of Cordyceps too!
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i second that.
 
UNCfan1 said:
I mentioned my request to MST and Iforce to make an Intra-workout product that would rival Intrabolic and Universal's new intra aid.

Maybe something like Posiden + Intrabolic. A better improved verison of Swell:thumbsup:

Edit: Throw in a nice serving of Cordyceps too!
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Interesting :thumbsup:
 
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