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Wat suplements should I take for fat loss??

The guys have already gave a good set of hardcore stuff.
This little setup worked wonders for me back in the day.

Straight nettle root divanil caps 4x per day.
Green tea caps 2x a day.
1.5 grams Alcar early morning.
R-Alpha Lipoic Acid Prebed 300 mg
1 gram PLCAR prebed.
Get a good enzyme/probiotic to help with digestion.
Or a cleanse to knock out some stuff built up inside if your diet has not been clean.

Cut calories back and make sure your diet is in check and you will be good to go.
 
GuyverX said:
1 gram PLCAR prebed.
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Sup G: I've never heard of this dosing scheme before. Little help ont he rationale behind this?

GuyverX said:
Get a good enzyme/probiotic to help with digestion.
Or a cleanse to knock out some stuff built up inside if your diet has not been clean.

Cut calories back and make sure your diet is in check and you will be good to go.
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So overlooked. Agreed! In addition, all the "cooked" meats are brutal on our digestiive enzyme pool. Then, cooking veggies depletes enzymes as well. Add years of crap/processed food to the equation = mild/mioderate/severe digestion issues can exist = TOXIC sludge :(
 
Whacked said:
Sup G: I've never heard of this dosing scheme before. Little help ont he rationale behind this?
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Accidental discovery. Took me a few months to figure it out though. I've always been a sucker for something to give me a little edge. I already knew at the time ALCAR was good for a lot of things. And since I am kind of OCD about combining similar supplements (dhea, erase. 7-keto) I decided to try PLCAR. Did not give me the slight morning even energy that ALCAR did. So I said what the heck and popped a gram before I went to bed. Seemed like a felt a bit better in the morning. So I did this for a couple of months and probably dropped about 2lbs a week eating maintenance. Thought it was placebo. So then I dropped it and kept the same diet and exercise program(was doing calisthenics only at the time). And this time I pretty much maintained weight except for a couple of lbs lost..

Tried it again and got similar results. So I figured it was useful to me. So I combined it with other things I had tried that worked and had good synergy. With the tiotal stack I probably dropped like 5lbs a week with maintenance calories and without ramping up my workout. Not much progress except for I found things that worked for me.

Still want to stress that I'm an anomaly. A lot of pharmaceutical drugs I never respond to. And some have the opposite effect.
 
Very cool. Thanks ;)
 
kevinhy said:
Chest fat in biosignature correlates to excessive estrogen levels, you should consider something like Erase or Erase Pro to take care of this.

For overall fat - Alpha-T2 is your solution.
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I'd love to give Erase or Erase Pro a try, if only it wouldn't cause those joint pains... Now would there be a way to compensate, I'd be in yesterday!
 
alexyaleida said:
I'd love to give Erase or Erase Pro a try, if only it wouldn't cause those joint pains... Now would there be a way to compensate, I'd be in yesterday!
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Erase Pro can just be:

1. Dosed every other day to alleviate joint symptoms, or
2. You can use something like supercissus to counteract joint pain
 
2g PLCAR would be even better and has scientific evidence in favor of its use for reasons beyond muscle carnitine elevation.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
2g PLCAR would be even better and has scientific evidence in favor of its use for reasons beyond muscle carnitine elevation.
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Thanks for the information.
May try that again in the future with the same stack.
 
John d said:
Ive been lifting weights for about a yea now and I think I have a fair amount of muscle, but I still have a pretty good layer of fat on my stomach and chest. I am looking to do maybe an 8 week cut, but I am not sure wat suplements I should use?! I am also looking to do something about my chest fat or bitch tits watever you wanna call it haha. ANY ADVICE OR SUGJESTIONS!?!?
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Best pill for fatloss, but very very hard to swallow (takes getting used to some people never get used to it and just do it) is cardio :thumbsup:
 
jherman08 said:
Best pill for fatloss, but very very hard to swallow (takes getting used to some people never get used to it and just do it) is cardio :thumbsup:
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Best type after weights?
 
alexyaleida said:
2g PLCAR ? Please, tell me a bit more on what this is?
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Propionyl-L-Carnitine- see bolded parts below- and check out ghrelin, CPT, and the process of lipolysis (esp. acetyl COA and Kreb's Cycle)- PLCAR= useful stuff for fat-burning:

2012;7(3):e34268. Epub 2012 Mar 23.Propionyl-L-carnitine Corrects Metabolic and Cardiovascular Alterations in Diet-Induced Obese Mice and Improves Liver Respiratory Chain Activity.

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Department of Pharmacology, School of Pharmacy, University of Sevilla, Sevilla, Spain.

Abstract

AIMS:

Obesity is a primary contributor to acquired insulin resistance leading to the development of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular alterations. The carnitine derivate, propionyl-L-carnitine (PLC), plays a key role in energy control. Our aim was to evaluate metabolic and cardiovascular effects of PLC in diet-induced obese mice.
METHODS:

C57BL/6 mice were fed a high-fat diet for 9 weeks and then divided into two groups, receiving either free- (vehicle-HF) or PLC-supplemented water (200 mg/kg/day) during 4 additional weeks. Standard diet-fed animals were used as lean controls (vehicle-ST). Body weight and food intake were monitored. Glucose and insulin tolerance tests were assessed, as well as the HOMA(IR), the serum lipid profile, the hepatic and muscular mitochondrial activity and the tissue nitric oxide (NO) liberation. Systolic blood pressure, cardiac and endothelial functions were also evaluated.
RESULTS:

Vehicle-HF displayed a greater increase of body weight compared to vehicle-ST that was completely reversed by PLC treatment without affecting food intake. PLC improved the insulin-resistant state and reversed the increased total cholesterol but not the increase in free fatty acid, triglyceride and HDL/LDL ratio induced by high-fat diet. Vehicle-HF exhibited a reduced cardiac output/body weight ratio, endothelial dysfunction and tissue decrease of NO production, all of them being improved by PLC treatment. Finally, the decrease of hepatic mitochondrial activity by high-fat diet was reversed by PLC.
CONCLUSIONS:

Oral administration of PLC improves the insulin-resistant state developed by obese animals and decreases the cardiovascular risk associated to this metabolic alteration probably via correction of mitochondrial function.



Br J Nutr. 2009 Oct;102(8):1145-53. Epub 2009 Jun 23.
Oral supplementation of propionyl-l-carnitine reduces body weight and hyperinsulinaemia in obese Zucker rats.

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Departamento de Farmacología, Facultad de Farmacia, Universidad de Sevilla, 41012 Seville, Spain.

Abstract

Propionyl-L-carnitine (PLC) is an SCFA esterified to carnitine that plays an important role in fatty acid oxidation and energy expenditure, in addition to having a protective effect on the endothelium. In order to evaluate the effect of PLC on an animal model of obesity, insulin resistance and, consequently, endothelial dysfunction, lean and obese Zucker rats (OZR) received either vehicle- or PLC-supplemented drinking water (200 mg/kg per d) for 20 weeks. Body weight, food intake, systolic blood pressure and heart rate were controlled weekly and an oral glucose tolerance test was performed. Fasting glucose, TAG, cholesterol, HDL, NEFA, adiponectin and insulin were analysed in serum. Visceral adipose tissue and liver were weighed and liver TAG liver composition was evaluated. Endothelial and vascular functions were assessed in the aorta and small mesenteric arteries by response to acetylcholine, sodium nitroprusside and phenylephrine (Phe); NO participation was evaluated after incubation with the NO synthase (NOS) inhibitor NG-nitro-L-arginine methyl ester (L-NAME) and endothelial NOS protein expression by Western blotting. PLC decreased body-weight gain, food intake, adiposity, insulin serum concentration and TAG liver content and improved insulin resistance. Aortae from OZR receiving either vehicle or PLC exhibited a lower contractile response to Phe. PLC-treated OZR showed an enhanced release of endothelial NO upon the adrenergic stimulation. The protection of vascular function found after treatment with PLC in an animal model of insulin resistance supports the necessity of clinical trials showing the effect of L-carnitine supplements on metabolic disorders.
 
^ Those are solid. There are also studies showing PLCAR:

-directly increases muscle carnitine
-improves cardiac function (by the above role)
-improves general fatigue
-has testosterone-like benefits
 
2g of PLCAR...

Being a happy Applied Nutriceuticals customer, using HGHup, Alpha X, Free Test, NeoVar, IGF-2, RPM and Backdraft, I really appreciate this answer coming from you, Mr Dirk Tanis... Next bigtime coincidence is that with your explanation I just found out I am already getting my "exact" 2g of PLCAR with a supplement called PropeL from "Life Enhancement." Grateful for your response, Dirk!! --Alex, your Dutch client living in southern Spain.
 
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