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Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?

Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?

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ReaperX said:
Well, Christian Bale dropped to 130lbs in The Machinist. In 6 months he got to 230lbs for Batman @ 6'1". He was approx 30 yrs old when he did this.


protein shakes and red meat isn't going to put on 100lbs of muscle in 6 months.
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How is that 100 lbs of pure muscle? Having been ill before with appendicitis in high school and mononucleosis my second year of college it does not take much to bounce back once you already have a foundation such as Bale had before the machinist.

After my appendix was removed I was 150 in June 03 when I graduated high school (down from 170 lbs that I weighed my senior year) in September 2003 when I entered college I was 195. Was that 45 lbs of muscle? No. Was it relatively lean? Yes.

Bale's body fat is not that low in Batman and is definitely attainable. Even with steroids 100 lbs of muscle that you mentioned is not remotely possible in a year. The body, even with steroids helping out, has a limit to muscle growth.
 
dontknowaboutme said:
How is that 100 lbs of pure muscle? Having been ill before with appendicitis in high school and mononucleosis my second year of college it does not take much to bounce back once you already have a foundation such as Bale had before the machinist.

After my appendix was removed I was 150 in June 03 when I graduated high school (down from 170 lbs that I weighed my senior year) in September 2003 when I entered college I was 195. Was that 45 lbs of muscle? No. Was it relatively lean? Yes.

Bale's body fat is not that low in Batman and is definitely attainable. Even with steroids 100 lbs of muscle that you mentioned is not remotely possible in a year. The body, even with steroids helping out, has a limit to muscle growth.
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But, once again, that was a gain in a singular tissue, not an improvement in both. If you gained 45lbs and lost 55% of your body-fat, that is more in the league we are talking about.

Once again, to reiterate (and hopefully not sounding like a d!ck) the issue here IS NOT whether or not it is POSSIBLE to gain 20lbs of muscle, or lose 20lbs of fat, in 20 weeks. It is doing both at the exact same time. Which, I am sorry, is impossible...once again.

I keep hearing, "that physique is attainable without A.A.S", when that is not the issue. It's whether or not it is attainable from their previous condition, in these very short periods of time, in which case it is not.
 
300 on the juice and doing crossfit

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the 300 cast did crossfit's w.o.d. for several weeks or months b4 filming began, they even named a w.o.d. after 300, crossfit is no joke. Those that have done it can attest.
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Ziquor said:
This thread seems to completely start all over again every 3 pages, thanks Reaper...
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I know!

The same argument that the physique is attainable is continually being regurgitated, pretty apparently oblivious of the fact that is not the argument.
 
The biggest question is....



Who cares?
 
Mulletsoldier said:
But, once again, that was a gain in a singular tissue, not an improvement in both. If you gained 45lbs and lost 55% of your body-fat, that is more in the league we are talking about.

Once again, to reiterate (and hopefully not sounding like a d!ck) the issue here IS NOT whether or not it is POSSIBLE to gain 20lbs of muscle, or lose 20lbs of fat, in 20 weeks. It is doing both at the exact same time. Which, I am sorry, is impossible...once again.

I keep hearing, "that physique is attainable without A.A.S", when that is not the issue. It's whether or not it is attainable from their previous condition, in these very short periods of time, in which case it is not.
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He just asked about butler though; he never really stated if any of it was attainable at the EXACT same time. I mean, SOME of those actors, as I've mentioned before, disappear for 12-14 months before a movie even begins it's first shoot. That is OVER 60 friggin weeks...not 12, 16, or 25 weeks...That is definitely attainable; im living proof of that. I do not know where the argument came from about losing a large amount of body fat, simultaneoulsy while gaining muscle.

Any one reading a bb board on occassion should know you can not achieve both at the EXACT time.

As far as bale goes, I do not see how he is said to have gained X lbs of lean muscle. He looks chunky in that photo, to me at least. He does not look anywhere close to "lean". All he looks is "buff", like a bodybuilder overeating in the off season.
 
what was gerald butler's physique before 300'?? Neone got pics?

This is supposed to be him "before" 300, but I can not confirm what time frame or if it is even before...


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ReaperX said:
Did Danny Bonaduche (sp) openly admit using steroids ?

I'm sure that weirdo Carrot Top does as well.
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lol I'm pretty damn sure carrot top does too, I remember, it was like one year he was all scrawny doing collect call commercials, and the
next year I saw him all big looking and was like 'whoa, odd to see a guy like him obviously getting into bodybuilding', and every year since he's been pretty huge, I honestly think he started taking roids as soon as he started getting into weights, with no waiting til he was 'ready'. Danny bonaduce might be into roids, I just find it hard to believe you can live such a large portion of your life as an all out crack fiend, as he openly admits having done and then start training at like, 35-40 (he's like 50 now and I don't know how long he's been into fitness, but as of 1990 he was still a crack head) and be in the shape he's in without help, unless your resilience to aging and drug abuse is unusually high.

I was trying to see if I could find exactly how long he was sucking the glass d!ck and when he started training, and I couldn't find out. I did fing this, and it's pretty funny.

GH: You had a well-publicized arrest for assaulting a transvestite. Can you give us details of what happened?

DB: Well, it had no reflection on what he was wearing or because he was gay. I beat him up because he was an *******. That guy was going to get in a fight and he chose to get in one with me. The interesting thing for the headline was I was the guy from The Partridge Family, and he was the guy in the miniskirt.

GH: It had nothing to do with the fact that he was gay?

DB: No, of course not. When I picked him up, I thought he was a girl. I picked him up, he got in my car. As soon as he got in and the dome light hit him, it was obvious. He wasn’t a good transvestite. If he was a good transvestite, I might never had known. I was wasted. He gets in the car and I said, “Oh, sorry, wrong car.” And he says, “Well you took me off my corner, give me $40.00.” I said “Dude, wrong car, hop out!” This went on for 6 or 7 minutes and he still wouldn’t get out. So I get out of the car, opened his door and pulled him out of the car. But when I did, I see he’s this huge guy, about 220 lbs. I weighed 150lbs! I attacked him first, not because I wanted to, I just thought I was going to have to and I’m too small to take the punishment from a 220 lb. man. If he had hit first, I would have gone down and stayed down. So I attacked him and it turned into a fight.
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Mulletsoldier said:
But, once again, that was a gain in a singular tissue, not an improvement in both. If you gained 45lbs and lost 55% of your body-fat, that is more in the league we are talking about.

Once again, to reiterate (and hopefully not sounding like a d!ck) the issue here IS NOT whether or not it is POSSIBLE to gain 20lbs of muscle, or lose 20lbs of fat, in 20 weeks. It is doing both at the exact same time. Which, I am sorry, is impossible...once again.

I keep hearing, "that physique is attainable without A.A.S", when that is not the issue. It's whether or not it is attainable from their previous condition, in these very short periods of time, in which case it is not.
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No one actually has an argument for what mullet is saying. They keep referring to 'previous condition' which is completely not the case.
 
hardknock said:
what was gerald butler's physique before 300'?? Neone got pics?

This is supposed to be him "before" 300, but I can not confirm what time frame or if it is even before...


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His previous physique is not the topic at hand.
 
ReaperX said:
His previous physique is not the topic at hand.
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It most certainly is PART of the topic at hand. Follow that link to Alwyn Cosgrove's blog. To go from his 'before' to his 'after' does not require Steroids.

Everyone drifted away from Gerard Butler to Christian Bale who went from HIV-live to 'normal guy' with some mass/tone. He most certainly is not 'huge'.
 
ReaperX said:
No one actually has an argument for what mullet is saying. They keep referring to 'previous condition' which is completely not the case.
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oh, ok...i do not argue with what he's saying...I know it is not possible to to that...or rare, like 1 in 10,000,000

But, I was referring to the original statement of could he have gone from "normal" looking to 300...and from his previous physique, it seems that he possibly COULD have, but whether he did or didn't is up for grabs...

His pics just put more emphasis on others with a superior before physique ... Like someone who is naturally "stout" looking that goes from "stout" to ripped...you know those guys that you see and your like "damn, he's got to be a weightlifter" and he goes, "nah, I really haven't gotten into it, seriously" << those types.
 
I am assuming that the transformation occured throughout 4 months (that was the only time line I saw in the blog). It dosen't specifically state that it was Gerald Butler's time line, so I guess that is assumed.


Also too, there is no stats on weight gain/fat loss or if that is verifiably a picture right before he started training.


Assuming all this is true, it looks like he lost fat primarly, which is do-able in 4 months. I'm not sure in regards to muscle tissue gain, he looks smaller than Hugh Jackman.

So with this, he probably dieted down and got really lean, but didn't gain a lot of muscle. From a natural standpoint, the fat loss is possible, but not in conjunction with simultaneous muscle gain (which was never really noted), just primarly being ripped.
 
ReaperX said:
I am assuming that the transformation occured throughout 4 months (that was the only time line I saw in the blog). It dosen't specifically state that it was Gerald Butler's time line, so I guess that is assumed.


Also too, there is no stats on weight gain/fat loss or if that is verifiably a picture right before he started training.


Assuming all this is true, it looks like he lost fat primarly, which is do-able in 4 months. I'm not sure in regards to muscle tissue gain, he looks smaller than Hugh Jackman.

So with this, he probably dieted down and got really lean, but didn't gain a lot of muscle. From a natural standpoint, the fat loss is possible, but not in conjunction with simultaneous muscle gain (which was never really noted), just primarly being ripped.
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Bingo! They talk about having 'functional physiques' not being monsters. He stripped off a bunch of fat, had a decent base or maybe made some newbie gains in the process.
 
Another misconception which pops up over & over is how 'actors can devot their lives to training & diet.' Most times these guys don't have much, if any time off. They'll be on set from 6am-12pm many days, 6-7 days a week. The promotions and commercials they constantly do doesn't even compare to the time US actors put in flying back & forth from Japan to drop a 30 second commercial for a quick million. Talk show spots constantly in different countries, let alone states. Billy Bob who went from ordinary guy to famous actor overnight at a somewhat late age, said once that before he got into the biz he worked a 60 hour work week and his 'old' life seemed like a full time vacation compared to being famous.

And the genetics of the olympians are 1 in a million yet it seems these days any actor given a few months can transform their bodies at will. Not just 1 or 2, but seemingly all of them. Take Ryan Reynolds going into Blade. He was already fit at 185lb and 11% BF. In 4.5 months he gained 20 pounds while simultaneously dropping his BF from 11% to 3%. So if you do the match, before hand at 185/11 - he had a net muscle weight of 165 pounds. After 4.5 months at 205/3 - he had a net muscle weight of 199 pounds. So 34 pounds of (yes pure) muscle in 16-19 weeks. This one isn't as dramatic as Dan Evans, aka Bruce Wayne, or Christian Bale in real life. But impressive nonetheless. Hormones involved? No one will ever know 100% unless he logs onto AM and fills us in.
 
Ziquor said:
Another misconception which pops up over & over is how 'actors can devot their lives to training & diet.' Most times these guys don't have much, if any time off. They'll be on set from 6am-12pm many days, 6-7 days a week. The promotions and commercials they constantly do doesn't even compare to the time US actors put in flying back & forth from Japan to drop a 30 second commercial for a quick million. Talk show spots constantly in different countries, let alone states. Billy Bob who went from ordinary guy to famous actor overnight at a somewhat late age, said once that before he got into the biz he worked a 60 hour work week and his 'old' life seemed like a full time vacation compared to being famous.

And the genetics of the olympians are 1 in a million yet it seems these days any actor given a few months can transform their bodies at will. Not just 1 or 2, but seemingly all of them. Take Ryan Reynolds going into Blade. He was already fit at 185lb and 11% BF. In 4.5 months he gained 20 pounds while simultaneously dropping his BF from 11% to 3%. So if you do the match, before hand at 185/11 - he had a net muscle weight of 165 pounds. After 4.5 months at 205/3 - he had a net muscle weight of 199 pounds. So 34 pounds of (yes pure) muscle in 16-19 weeks. This one isn't as dramatic as Dan Evans, aka Bruce Wayne, or Christian Bale in real life. But impressive nonetheless. Hormones involved? No one will ever know 100% unless he logs onto AM and fills us in.
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That lifestyle may be one of a professional bodybuilder, but not of an actor/actress. I made this comment before and people blew it off.

They are on set for 12-14 hrs filiming, plus they do promoting, and traveling. On top of that we all know that celebs do a bunch of recreational drugs and partying as well.


Not the most conducive environment for muscle growth (naturally).


My vote is they are juiced.
 
Ziquor said:
Another misconception which pops up over & over is how 'actors can devot their lives to training & diet.' Most times these guys don't have much, if any time off. They'll be on set from 6am-12pm many days, 6-7 days a week. The promotions and commercials they constantly do doesn't even compare to the time US actors put in flying back & forth from Japan to drop a 30 second commercial for a quick million. Talk show spots constantly in different countries, let alone states. Billy Bob who went from ordinary guy to famous actor overnight at a somewhat late age, said once that before he got into the biz he worked a 60 hour work week and his 'old' life seemed like a full time vacation compared to being famous.

And the genetics of the olympians are 1 in a million yet it seems these days any actor given a few months can transform their bodies at will. Not just 1 or 2, but seemingly all of them. Take Ryan Reynolds going into Blade. He was already fit at 185lb and 11% BF. In 4.5 months he gained 20 pounds while simultaneously dropping his BF from 11% to 3%. So if you do the match, before hand at 185/11 - he had a net muscle weight of 165 pounds. After 4.5 months at 205/3 - he had a net muscle weight of 199 pounds. So 34 pounds of (yes pure) muscle in 16-19 weeks. This one isn't as dramatic as Dan Evans, aka Bruce Wayne, or Christian Bale in real life. But impressive nonetheless. Hormones involved? No one will ever know 100% unless he logs onto AM and fills us in.
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Ryan Reynolds was NOT 3% bf in Blade.


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Ziquor said:
Another misconception which pops up over & over is how 'actors can devot their lives to training & diet.' Most times these guys don't have much, if any time off. They'll be on set from 6am-12pm many days, 6-7 days a week. The promotions and commercials they constantly do doesn't even compare to the time US actors put in flying back & forth from Japan to drop a 30 second commercial for a quick million. Talk show spots constantly in different countries, let alone states. Billy Bob who went from ordinary guy to famous actor overnight at a somewhat late age, said once that before he got into the biz he worked a 60 hour work week and his 'old' life seemed like a full time vacation compared to being famous.

And the genetics of the olympians are 1 in a million yet it seems these days any actor given a few months can transform their bodies at will. Not just 1 or 2, but seemingly all of them. Take Ryan Reynolds going into Blade. He was already fit at 185lb and 11% BF. In 4.5 months he gained 20 pounds while simultaneously dropping his BF from 11% to 3%. So if you do the match, before hand at 185/11 - he had a net muscle weight of 165 pounds. After 4.5 months at 205/3 - he had a net muscle weight of 199 pounds. So 34 pounds of (yes pure) muscle in 16-19 weeks. This one isn't as dramatic as Dan Evans, aka Bruce Wayne, or Christian Bale in real life. But impressive nonetheless. Hormones involved? No one will ever know 100% unless he logs onto AM and fills us in.
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Also, we are talking about Gerard Butler. How often did you see him on talk shows, doing endorsements, etc. in the several months prior to 300?
 
hardknock said:
oh, ok...i do not argue with what he's saying...I know it is not possible to to that...or rare, like 1 in 10,000,000

But, I was referring to the original statement of could he have gone from "normal" looking to 300...and from his previous physique, it seems that he possibly COULD have, but whether he did or didn't is up for grabs...

His pics just put more emphasis on others with a superior before physique ... Like someone who is naturally "stout" looking that goes from "stout" to ripped...you know those guys that you see and your like "damn, he's got to be a weightlifter" and he goes, "nah, I really haven't gotten into it, seriously" << those types.
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But the transition from 'normal' to 'movie physique' is inclusive with substantial gains in LBM, with concurrent substantial losses in stored adipose tissue; once again, at the rates noted here, this type of tissue turnover is physiologically impossible without assistance from compounds which increase nitrogen retention (and thereby protein transcription), increase glycogen storage, and regulate metabolism.

If any of the 'this type of transition is possible' people can show me some empirical data, not anecdotal reports, not a trainer bragging about his trainee, but a study, showing that it is possible to do some of the changes noted in this thread within 20 weeks, please do. If not, be quiet.
 
Usfjr74x4 I believe has a picture of Gerald Butler with a bottle of M-Drol, he'll be posting that sometime. So there you go. Solved that mystery.
 
ReaperX said:
Usfjr74x4 I believe has a picture of Gerald Butler with a bottle of M-Drol, he'll be posting that sometime. So there you go. Solved that mystery.
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Conclusive evidence. He has been buying our products directly for years.

Sorry to throw you under the bus Gerard but business is business...
 

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Usf97j4x4 said:
Conclusive evidence. He has been buying our products directly for years.

Sorry to throw you under the bus Gerard but business is business...
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LOL. It should have a quote that says : "CrossFit this motherf*cker!"
 
Ziquor said:
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Again, who knows.
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"I gained a lot more muscle mass when I went on creatine," says Reynolds. He also took L-glutamine, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), whey, and a multivitamin.

....Bwahahaha.
 
Lol, see told you.


Gerard Butler did take gear. Everyone who answered 'no' is wrong.


Such a rare paparazzi pic right there.
 
Well, looks like the poll's closed. I would've taken Butler more for an H-Drol man but I guess I was wrong.
 
I remember when he 1st hit the scene as a top selling rapper. Half the younger guys I talk to had no idea that's where he got his start. Ahh, the old days...

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Mulletsoldier said:
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"I gained a lot more muscle mass when I went on creatine," says Reynolds. He also took L-glutamine, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), whey, and a multivitamin.

....Bwahahaha.
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Well Ronnie Colman and Trey Brewer are on the BSN Mass Stack and look how big they are... I could see how Creatine might help Ryan out.
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Ziquor said:
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Again, who knows.
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Not going to believe a site that is trying to 'sell' me six pack abs.


Here are pix of bodyfat levels:

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3% (which can really only be obtained for a few hours at a time):

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Mulletsoldier said:
But the transition from 'normal' to 'movie physique' is inclusive with substantial gains in LBM, with concurrent substantial losses in stored adipose tissue; once again, at the rates noted here, this type of tissue turnover is physiologically impossible without assistance from compounds which increase nitrogen retention (and thereby protein transcription), increase glycogen storage, and regulate metabolism.

If any of the 'this type of transition is possible' people can show me some empirical data, not anecdotal reports, not a trainer bragging about his trainee, but a study, showing that it is possible to do some of the changes noted in this thread within 20 weeks, please do. If not, be quiet.
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Take every other actor and pic of this thread out of your head other than Gerard Butler (what this thread is about). Could his transformation (basically fatloss) be done without gear in 5 months time?
 
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