Does anyone else use vitamin c to bowel tolerance when they get ill? 12g is the most I’ve needed to get the “gurgleguts” and saw drastic improvement in flu and cold. Anyone else try it or consistently do it?
A couple weeks ago I felt real bad. I took 3g every 20 min for like 5 hours, then bowel tolerance hit. I stopped. I did the same thing each day. Each day toward the end of the day I felt notably better.Does anyone else use vitamin c to bowel tolerance when they get ill? 12g is the most I’ve needed to get the “gurgleguts” and saw drastic improvement in flu and cold. Anyone else try it or consistently do it?
Nope, I never found any peer reviewed literature on it but I didn’t look too hard. It was first recommended by an MD on a different forum years ago, and it turns out it works really well.I know of people that swear by this but I never could actually find stuff to back up the claims. If you found any I would be very interested. That said I do still appreciate anecdotal feedback like this.
You would know with C. Your stomach begins to make loud noises, so even if you were having some issues, this would be noticeable. And using to bowel tolerance is only if you think you have caught a virus or infection.I wouldn’t know when I hit my threshold. Having the shyts is my new norm in 2020
Don't think there are any specific bowel tolerance studies performed.I know of people that swear by this but I never could actually find stuff to back up the claims. If you found any I would be very interested. That said I do still appreciate anecdotal feedback like this.
This is the opportunity for you to do a studyDon't think there are any specific bowel tolerance studies performed.
I do my own personal experimenting, and have done that, and in my opinion it makes me go from feeling like crap to significantly better by end of day, and then a progression of feeling better from that day on forward if I continue protocol next day.This is the opportunity for you to do a study
Study completed @rob112I do my own personal experimenting, and have done that, and in my opinion it makes me go from feeling like crap to significantly better by end of day, and then a progression of feeling better from that day on forward if I continue protocol next day.
I do, and my experience mirrors yours insofar as feeling better.Does anyone else use vitamin c to bowel tolerance when they get ill? 12g is the most I’ve needed to get the “gurgleguts” and saw drastic improvement in flu and cold. Anyone else try it or consistently do it?
Definitely agree.I do, and my experience mirrors yours insofar as feeling better.
If you play around with Vitamin C, you'll notice something curious: Your body uses a hell of a lot more of it when you're sick, it soaks it up like a sponge. For example, if I dose 2 grams an hour when feeling fine, I reach bowell tolerance within 3 - 4 hours. When I get sick, it takes the better part of a day (late in the day, after about 10-12 hours).
They say more than 250mg at a time and anymore is just excreted. But that statement is missing context. If you're sick (like, really sick) I think that figure jumps considerably. Linus Pauling was right about Vit C, you'll learn a lot reading his stuff...
What brand and product do you use for those doses?I take 6 grams a day about everyday. I have done this since my early 20's and have had periods where I stopped because I convinced myself there was no science behind it and it is probably quackery. In my subjective experience I get sick much more easily when I am not using it all the time at 5-6 grams.
After taking breaks 2-3 times for even a couple years I decided it is obvious it helps. I am not immune to getting suck, but am pretty darned resilient and can spend time with sick people without worrying.
A few years ago I had my mom, dad, girlfriend and her family all get a cold. They were all in bed for a week and sick for 2 weeks with this thing.
One afternoon I was out and started feeling really sick. I always thought the bowel tolerance stuff was quackery too...but decided what the heck. I took 50 grams all at once and kept taking it. Yeah, I was crapping water like a fire hose. But I woke up the next morning almost fine. I continued with mega doses and was 100% the next morning.
I have taken doses up to 100 grams/day since all with relatively similar results...sometimes less effective but obviously effective in my mind.
Maybe I am a quack...but I am not sick. Haha
I just get powder...a kg is normally around $30. Bronson, bulk supps, nutricost, even some evay stuff...it is all about the same. I have a scoop that gives 5-6 grams and I just make a gallon jug of water with 1 large pack of crystal light and a scoop of Vitamin C every day and drink it throughout the day.What brand and product do you use for those doses?
Do you drink that around your workouts too?I just get powder...a kg is normally around $30. Bronson, bulk supps, nutricost, even some evay stuff...it is all about the same. I have a scoop that gives 5-6 grams and I just make a gallon jug of water with 1 large pack of crystal light and a scoop of Vitamin C every day and drink it throughout the day.
Yeah, sometimes - I know people freak about Vitamin C and antioxidants around workouts...but whatever. I don't like to oversimplify stuff like that to "good or bad". Generally though, that's my normal drink with meals/throughout the day. I drink A LOT. My normal intake is around 2 gallons/day and sometimes I may not drink a full gallon of the Crystal Light concoction, some days I may drink 1.5 gallons, but on average it's around 1 gallon as a regular drink when I have meals or between meals. It just makes getting my vitamin C easy without thought involved. I've considered adding other ingredients as well....like betaine, etc. but then I get into making it complicatedDo you drink that around your workouts too?
Gotcha. Makes sense. I take all my doses with food, usually 2g per meal totaling 6g per day when healthy. Occasionally a little extra here or there, but for me dosing with food even when ill (just a lot more at a time) seems to be just right without the runs.Yeah, sometimes - I know people freak about Vitamin C and antioxidants around workouts...but whatever. I don't like to oversimplify stuff like that to "good or bad". Generally though, that's my normal drink with meals/throughout the day. I drink A LOT. My normal intake is around 2 gallons/day and sometimes I may not drink a full gallon of the Crystal Light concoction, some days I may drink 1.5 gallons, but on average it's around 1 gallon as a regular drink when I have meals or between meals. It just makes getting my vitamin C easy without thought involved. I've considered adding other ingredients as well....like betaine, etc. but then I get into making it complicated
I just got scienced hardAF hahaStudy completed @rob112
100g/day!?!?!I take 6 grams a day about everyday. I have done this since my early 20's and have had periods where I stopped because I convinced myself there was no science behind it and it is probably quackery. In my subjective experience I get sick much more easily when I am not using it all the time at 5-6 grams.
After taking breaks 2-3 times for even a couple years I decided it is obvious it helps. I am not immune to getting suck, but am pretty darned resilient and can spend time with sick people without worrying.
A few years ago I had my mom, dad, girlfriend and her family all get a cold. They were all in bed for a week and sick for 2 weeks with this thing.
One afternoon I was out and started feeling really sick. I always thought the bowel tolerance stuff was quackery too...but decided what the heck. I took 50 grams all at once and kept taking it. Yeah, I was crapping water like a fire hose. But I woke up the next morning almost fine. I continued with mega doses and was 100% the next morning.
I have taken doses up to 100 grams/day since all with relatively similar results...sometimes less effective but obviously effective in my mind.
Maybe I am a quack...but I am not sick. Haha
Yup. I mix it in drinks so strong it burns going down and is tough to drink. But sucking it down and having uncontrollable water flowing out my bowels for a day beats the heck out if some ding a week in bed sick. Plus, the toilet runs aren't painful (just inconvenient) and sometimes I will start feeling better, literally, in hours.100g/day!?!?!
Wow. Good thing its water soluble, and any excess is just excreted LOL. Vitamin C is an overlooked nutraceutical IMO, and capable of much more than just optimizing immune function. Consider for example, that just 1,500mg/day resulted in lower levels of cortisol and inflammation in athletes*.
Also, there appears to be a link between Vitamin C levels and muscle, as evidenced by this study**. A deficiency of such caused both muscle atrophy and a noted decrease in performance.
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11590482
** https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41229-7
Where? Doesn't it require IV inection?Just found you can purchase injectable vitamin C online. Game changer.
Can inject IM. Just google search it. Shows right up. And cheap.Where? Doesn't it require IV inection?
Likely to burn more than a little.Can inject IM. Just google search it. Shows right up. And cheap.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I am guessing the small amount if Vitamin C you would be getting IM would not be worth it. It looks like the vials that come up are about 250 my/ml - so even at 6 ml that is just 1.5 grams. 6 ml would be a heck of a painful injection and, as stated above, Vitamin C itself burns anyway and can leave your muscle sore for days.Can inject IM. Just google search it. Shows right up. And cheap.
I'm not sure of IM benefits either, just interesting. I am greatly interested in IV C administration.Just because you can doesn't mean you should. I am guessing the small amount if Vitamin C you would be getting IM would not be worth it. It looks like the vials that come up are about 250 my/ml - so even at 6 ml that is just 1.5 grams. 6 ml would be a heck of a painful injection and, as stated above, Vitamin C itself burns anyway and can leave your muscle sore for days.
When injecting IV in hospital settings it is often in 10, 20 or even 25 gram doses over time. This will significantly elevate peak plasma levels vs. Oral - but I am not sure IM injection will have the same benefits.
Agreed!I just picked up 2lbs of bulk powder. Perhaps not as efficacious as IM or IV, but according to the Dr. in that presentation - still gets the job done. Just takes a little longer..
People using 250-500mg/day.... doesn't surprise me they don't think it works. High dose C though, is an entirely different ballgame. Down enough to saturate, and you start noticing good things - both when you're healthy and coming down with something..
Yeah, but IV has some risks that make it not really worth it for typical use this way. I do wish hospitals were a little more aware of this type of thing or that you could ask for it and not be laughed at in most hospitals - but that's a different story.I'm not sure of IM benefits either, just interesting. I am greatly interested in IV C administration.
Yes! This is my big thing with the studies. The "perception" of what high dose is. They do meta studies and find minimal results - but these studies include 500 mg - 1 g doses as the high dose groups a lot of the time. Sometimes it may be 2 grams which is much better. But N-Acetylcysteine won't reverse acetaminophen toxicity if you take 2 grams either. If they did studies on NAC for this and included every patient who got 1 gram of NAC to determine if it helped with APAP poisoning, of course the results would be that it isn't useful.I just picked up 2lbs of bulk powder. Perhaps not as efficacious as IM or IV, but according to the Dr. in that presentation - still gets the job done. Just takes a little longer..
People using 250-500mg/day.... doesn't surprise me they don't think it works. High dose C though, is an entirely different ballgame. Down enough to saturate, and you start noticing good things - both when you're healthy and coming down with something..
In fairness, I think the higher dose studies could have some issues. Some underlying diseases could be made worse with large doses of vitamin c IN THEORY and adherance to such a protocol can be difficult. I mean, getting your typical person to suddenly start consuming 20 grams of Vitamin C is going to have some issues, including the bathroom time and many people will just stop taking it and fall out of the study at that point.There's no doubt high dose (25, 50, even 100g/day) orally has its benefits. And yes, I do think that extends to even when you excrete it. The entire body benefits, and as the Dr. lecturing here said it's been proven to benefit the immune system in 20 different ways - with no toxicity. As in, ZERO.
In many respects, these studies looking at maybe 1-2 grams are analagous to the first studies on anabolics. 50mg/week of Deca isn't going to do jack. So that's what they said. For years, Rx steroids came with an insert saying they won't increase physical performance. Believe it or not, most of the medical community actually believed it.
It's a shame they don't perform these much higher dose studies. Part of me thinks they're afraid of what they'll find...
It's great because you typically won't have bowel issues from it, but a lot more expensive than regular C.Isn't Liposomal Vitamin C one of the best forms?
I have never experimented with liposomal C. Partially because of the hype - partially because of the expense. Plain old regular ascorbic acid is cheap and it seems to work fine for me. I guess part of it is that I really like Vitamin C but I don't see it as some magical substance - and at some point that is where the hype leads. Sure, maybe if there was some reason I needed even higher levels of vitamin C in my blood stream...like an adjunct treatment for cancer (not a cure itself)....I would consider it. But for $30 I can get 5 grams/day for 200 days and it seems to work very well for me.
Oh yeah...and a third factor...I am lazyIf you Google, apparently you can make your own and it makes it more affordable.
I’m a big proponent of C... although I don’t dose as high as you. What benefits can you attribute to the high dose C? Generally curious- as I’ve thought about increasing my dose.I have never experimented with liposomal C. Partially because of the hype - partially because of the expense. Plain old regular ascorbic acid is cheap and it seems to work fine for me. I guess part of it is that I really like Vitamin C but I don't see it as some magical substance - and at some point that is where the hype leads. Sure, maybe if there was some reason I needed even higher levels of vitamin C in my blood stream...like an adjunct treatment for cancer (not a cure itself)....I would consider it. But for $30 I can get 5 grams/day for 200 days and it seems to work very well for me.
Oh yeah...and a third factor...I am lazy
This is tough - because this gets into territory with little scientific backing. For me, I honestly just have 20 years of history with vitamin C where I can subjectively say that when I have had years where I stopped taking it for a while, I can get sick a couple times a year. Maybe I get sick once some years, sometimes twice, sometimes even 3 times.I’m a big proponent of C... although I don’t dose as high as you. What benefits can you attribute to the high dose C? Generally curious- as I’ve thought about increasing my dose.
I like that - and on the bottom of that page is this article, which is a Cochrane review and finds that phophylaxis with Vitamin C is not warranted - and that doses up to 4 grams do not seem to improve outcomes when introduced during the onset of colds.“Results: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections - PubMed
Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group.pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Conclusion: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group.”
Interesting study here! I’ll be keeping my doses near bowel tolerance for the next several months.
National vitamin C shortage coming soonI like that - and on the bottom of that page is this article, which is a Cochrane review and finds that phophylaxis with Vitamin C is not warranted - and that doses up to 4 grams do not seem to improve outcomes when introduced during the onset of colds.
But, in the same conclusion it states that it does show benefit to individuals exposed to breif periods of severe exercise or cold, it does play a role in respiratory defense mechanisms, and that one large study did show that 8 grams equivocally improved outcomes when introduced during the onset of colds (as opposed to 4 grams having no effect - which demonstrates the possible benefit of larger doses).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15495002/
Also, liked your study at least using 1 gram/hour and then 3 grams/day. Good finds.
Can’t answer that, but I wonder what 12g would have done!How about this? Unfortunately a review and my a study, but Vitamin C reduced ventilation times for the most critically ill patients by 25%. Still, with only the abstract I cannot analyse whether or not death rates were a factor.
Vitamin C may reduce the duration of mechanical ventilation in critically ill patients: a meta-regression analysis - Journal of Intensive Care
Background Our recent meta-analysis indicated that vitamin C may shorten the length of ICU stay and the duration of mechanical ventilation. Here we analyze modification of the vitamin C effect on ventilation time, by the control group ventilation time (which we used as a proxy for severity of...jintensivecare.biomedcentral.com
Vitamin C is not sold out cause the WHO dismissed vitamin c publicly. Now if they said it may provide benefits, people would be hoarding C, then they would have a need for all that TP xDThere are reports of China shipping LARGE quantities of Vitamin C into the Wuhan area...
I'm surprised Vitamin C isn't sold out everywhere online...I just ordered a large quantity.
People need to stop fighting over toilet paper, and focus on health.
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