Virile Mane - Hair anyone?

dsade said:
Considering individual chemistry differences, it is possible that twice a day might be too much for some. I actually have been playing with applications 3 times a day, and I think it has slowed down my progress so I am going back to twice a day.

That said, how long have you been using VM?
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I'm nearing two months now. Might have some darkening of existing vellus hairs in the front, but no new ones, and some of the semi-dark hairs already there were brought out by my previous regimen.

Btw, if I went down to once a day (at night) application of VM, could I combine with some stuff (will not mention name, I'm not out to advertise for them) I have left? I have like 3 jars left of this stuff, and it feels like such a waste to let it expire... It contains:

Water, Carbopol, Soy Oil, Beta Glucan, Beta-sitosterol, CoQ10, Gluthatione, Quercitin, Progesterone, Vitamin E, Melatonin, SOD, Beta Carotene, Vitamin A, Vitamin D, methyl and propyl paraben

Is there anything in there that could be antagonistic?

By the way, the past three weeks I've also started using Hair Signals every third night to get some copper peptides in there.

I will send you some photos soon (initial ones), since I don't have enough posts to post them myself. Hopefully the results will come soon, since the bonus for getting good regrowth would be a shot at that price you've promised for good pictures of regrowth using VM! ;)
 
laozi said:
I'm nearing two months now. Might have some darkening of existing vellus hairs in the front, but no new ones, and some of the semi-dark hairs already there were brought out by my previous regimen.

Btw, if I went down to once a day (at night) application of VM, could I combine with some stuff (will not mention name, I'm not out to advertise for them) I have left? I have like 3 jars left of this stuff, and it feels like such a waste to let it expire... It contains:

Water, Carbopol, Soy Oil, Beta Glucan, Beta-sitosterol, CoQ10, Gluthatione, Quercitin, Progesterone, Vitamin E, Melatonin, SOD, Beta Carotene, Vitamin A, Vitamin D, methyl and propyl paraben

Is there anything in there that could be antagonistic?

By the way, the past three weeks I've also started using Hair Signals every third night to get some copper peptides in there.

I will send you some photos soon (initial ones), since I don't have enough posts to post them myself. Hopefully the results will come soon, since the bonus for getting good regrowth would be a shot at that price you've promised for good pictures of regrowth using VM! ;)
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Other than the complete lack of carrier/penetration enhancer, all of the ingredients in this one (with the exception of SOD - see Rooibos tea) were the ones I had on the list that were eliminated due to lack of evidence - HOWEVER, looking at cellular functioning, I believe them to be highly valuable additions. This would actually make a good stack, IMO.

I would DEFINITELY use this one first, if you are going to apply at the same time as VM, then use the VM on top of it. The penetration enhancement of VM will "push" the actives from this formula deeper into tissue and enhance the effectiveness.

Pease keep me updated on your results, if you don't mind??
 
dsade said:
Other than the complete lack of carrier/penetration enhancer, all of the ingredients in this one (with the exception of SOD - see Rooibos tea) were the ones I had on the list that were eliminated due to lack of evidence - HOWEVER, looking at cellular functioning, I believe them to be highly valuable additions. This would actually make a good stack, IMO.

I would DEFINITELY use this one first, if you are going to apply at the same time as VM, then use the VM on top of it. The penetration enhancement of VM will "push" the actives from this formula deeper into tissue and enhance the effectiveness.

Pease keep me updated on your results, if you don't mind??
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Sure I will dsade, MANY thanks for the great support man! I love how we can ask questions, even about other products, and you'll answer truthfully, and not shoot everyone down.

I believe VM is really good, and I've got two more bottles on their way. I will probably use the product mentioned above in the morning, then VM, and only VM at night. And every third night I'll substitue VM with Hair Signals copper peptides.

And I also take 1000mg (2x 500mg) pure apple polyphenols each day, supposed to be good for my hair.

Also started taking around 3700 IU of vitamin D each day besides a good multi vitamin and 3 grams of vitamin C.

Thanks for taking an interest and caring for your customers dsade, a very refreshing thing in the world of supplements and especially hair regrowth products! :)
 
I've been using Virile Mane for about a month now, maybe 2, and thought I'd share my experience so far.

I've been using it sparingly, and only on the thinnest areas: the top (along the saggital suture) and the crown (around where the occiput's sutures join w/ the saggital). By sparingly, I meant 2ml per application, and only every 2-3 days. The idea was to test my individual responsiveness, and ramp up as needed to see results.

I'm seeing *considerable* results. So far I've failed to generate any useful pix, but I'll keep trying. Before I continue, here's the lowdown on my hair: @ 57, it's very thin and fine, where it used to be thick, curly and dark brown; the color over all has been platinum, an improvement over the stark white it was a couple years ago. I've always had a high forehead, and it had thinned out to the point where the remaining volume of those thin white hairs left my scalp exposed.

So, by 'considerable results', I mean The thatch on top of my head is visibly thickening. Roughly 30-50% or the new hairs are dark thick in the shaft, and vigorous: a fair number of the new hairs are now longer than the old hairs.

In fact, I have seen a general thickening of hair all over the top of my head - not just in the areas of application. I figure my vigorous rubbing-in has distributed the tonic outside the thin areas, and that those tissues are responding as well.

As a result, I've decided to begin intentionally applying VM (sparingly) to my whole head, on the theory that this may cause my whole head of hair to thicken (if not darken further). The first such application was this morning: about 3ml total, with the largest amount applied to the barest areas.

So far, very impressed.

EDIT: When I say my hair is thin, I mean it 2 ways - the hairs themselves are very fine (less than half as thick as they were 20 years ago); they also grow more thinly, as in there are fewer of them overall.
 
Bodywizard, thank you for the excellent review. I will be interested to see how it does for you all over, especially in regards to new hair color!
 
crader said:
Bodywizard, thank you for the excellent review. I will be interested to see how it does for you all over, especially in regards to new hair color!
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Same...the color deposition was all hypothesis on my part, based on the pathway to melanogenesis in hair.
 
dsade said:
Same...the color deposition was all hypothesis on my part, based on the pathway to melanogenesis in hair.
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dsade -- I can definitely state that any of the new growth/sprouts that I've had since I've used VM are all dark black hairs. I started pre-maturely greying and the hairs coming in are my original color. I've also noticed I've shed a lot of grey hairs.

I think I had posted earlier that my wife found a hair that was grey at the end and black at the root which we thought was odd since using VM.

It hasn't changed my overall hair color, i.e. the areas I don't apply it to though.

The JL Shampoo also hasn't had an effect on my overall hair color as of yet. I'm like at the very beginning stages of a salt/pepper type thing (sides are starting to gray) and it hasn't changed that.
 
hadrion said:
dsade -- I can definitely state that any of the new growth/sprouts that I've had since I've used VM are all dark black hairs. I started pre-maturely greying and the hairs coming in are my original color. I've also noticed I've shed a lot of grey hairs.

I think I had posted earlier that my wife found a hair that was grey at the end and black at the root which we thought was odd since using VM.

It hasn't changed my overall hair color, i.e. the areas I don't apply it to though.

The JL Shampoo also hasn't had an effect on my overall hair color as of yet. I'm like at the very beginning stages of a salt/pepper type thing (sides are starting to gray) and it hasn't changed that.
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The shampoo and VM won't affect existing hair color - only new growth.
 
just to chime - i'm about 1-2 weeks on VM, using 2x/day, and seeing fantastic results. for a while i felt a little itching, but it was the "good" kind - sort of like what it feels like when a cut is healing and turning the corner. in that sense, it really does feel like my scalp is "healing" in a way, and my scalp condition feels like it's improving daily.

hair already feels thicker and as if it's growing at an amazing rate. i'm clearly coming from a "prevention" perspective and don't have any serious hair loss that i'm trying to reverse. for guys in my situation, i think it's the best thing out there and by far the best thing i've ever used. i'm 28 years old and really do feel that with consistent and ongoing use i should be able to keep most of my hair for a long, long time.

either way, things are definitely moving in the right direction, so while i'm not going to go as far as to say that it's a miracle cure-all for hair, it's really an impressive product. great job, great customer service - i'm a long-term customer.
 
guess it's time for another small update on my personal experiance with VM.

Things so far are looking up. I just recently let my hair grow a bit longer and noticed that it was getting more of the greasy feeling and I felt that there wasn;t enough VM getting to my scalp. So I decided to cut it fairly short again. Best thing I did. I was doubting that VM was doing anything for me untill I cut my hair shorter. I can now see the difference. Its been a bit over 2 months I believe using VM and so far I have noticed a few things.

Firstly, the small bumps I have noticed are still there and are definitely follicles and not a rash or derm or anything of that sort. They are slowly but surely pushing through. I have been using VM all over the top of my head due to the fact that I am a diffuse thinner.

Secondly, existing hairs are progessively getting thicker and more healthy looking each week. One major thing I have noticed is that the few small areas of grey hairs that I USED to have in random areas on my head are gone..all of them! I cannot find a grey hair anywhere on my head anymore and this alone makes me feel optimistic.

Thirdly, keeping in mind I am using only VM and Niz. VM everyday and Niz every 2nd or 3rd day. I am noticing that the bald patch on the back of my head has gotten slightly less noticable. When I used to cut my hair ths short it was very noticable and so was the over all thinnig of my head.....this is slowly but steadily getting better and less noticable to the point where I almost feel comfortable not wearing a hat or dermmatch.

So far so good with VM. I am not expecting miracles or some kind of immediate response to VM so I will continue to use it for at least 6 months.
 
DavidWebb said:
How will this affect me considering I have blonde hair? Will I grow new hairs that are darker than my existing hair?
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You will not grow darker than your genetics dictate.
 
DavidWebb said:
ahh....was hoping to hear that!
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it may not change your hair color, but it certainly has gotten rid of all my greys..not that I had alot of them...but they were very noticable before starting VM. Now, there is not one grey hair on my head!!

fingers still crossed for VM!!
 
Any one have updates with pics? I'm sorry to say I'm almost 4 months in with no new growth. Despite any possible sexual sides, I'm going to start propecia. I will still use the rest of my VM at night, but I have to say I'm very dissapointed that VM has not worked for me.
 
I'm on VM for 3 months now, still on my first bottle btw ;)

I had consequent new growth on a weekly basis for the first 6 weeks, then the new growth stopped but hair kept thickening and looking fuller so I just kept applying. Around 2 weeks ago I started Get Diesel Test Hardcore and new hairs coming out allover again. Now thats funny, I was on Diesel Test Hardcore when I started VM also, I stopped using it for around a month (january), now that I'm back on new hairs again? How the hell is that possible? Something in the Get Diesel is pushing new hairs in combination with VM somehow. I have no clue as to why or by what mechanism. I'm WTF on this one ;)
 
dsade

i have been on this stuff almost 3 months now with no results....as i mentioned before, am concerned because the stuff seems to sit on my scalp and not be absorbed.....

i run some tissue paper on my scalp hours after application and there is a lot of brownish residue from the VM

my question is - what do you think about me adding some more alcohol to my bottle to maybe help with that problem? im not getting results as it is anyways....

how much alcohol and what type should i use?

do you think it could help at all?

thanks
 
rammerman said:
dsade

i have been on this stuff almost 3 months now with no results....as i mentioned before, am concerned because the stuff seems to sit on my scalp and not be absorbed.....

i run some tissue paper on my scalp hours after application and there is a lot of brownish residue from the VM

my question is - what do you think about me adding some more alcohol to my bottle to maybe help with that problem? im not getting results as it is anyways....

how much alcohol and what type should i use?

do you think it could help at all?

thanks
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You could, conceivably,add about 1/2 ounce of alcohol. However, alcohol can ber very irritating to scalp tissue - which is why we kept the content low enough to act as solvent and penetration enhancer, but not enough to irritate.
 
1/2 ounce for the entire bottle? thats enough to help absorption?

also, what kind of alcohol do i add? i have no idea...anything i can pick up from the grocery store?
 
rammerman said:
1/2 ounce for the entire bottle? thats enough to help absorption?

also, what kind of alcohol do i add? i have no idea...anything i can pick up from the grocery store?
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yes, for the whole ottle.

90% isopropyl alcohol is good, but the standard 70 % from any walgreens is fine.

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rammerman said:
so 1 tablespoon alcohol for 1 bottle of VM yes?
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I'm not sure of the conversion of tablespoons to ounces, offhand.

Doesn't sound like enough though.

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rammerman said:
it didnt sound like enough to me either, but that is the conversion

how much would you recommend?
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Looks like you are correct. I would go with that, then. Be sure to use a true tablespoon.
 
Hi again Dsade!

I just wanted to ask:

I also have the flake issue, my bottles are from the beginning of December. However, I see everyone have mentioned brown/red flakes, which you say is from the Roiboos tea not being dissolved totally.

However, I have all white flakes... They are hard and smell very pepperminthy/mentholy, so I was wondering if it was that? Or could it be anything else? Could this be a problem for the Virile Mane, that some active is not dissolved and isn't getting into my scalp enough?

Thanks!
 
laozi said:
Hi again Dsade!

I just wanted to ask:

I also have the flake issue, my bottles are from the beginning of December. However, I see everyone have mentioned brown/red flakes, which you say is from the Roiboos tea not being dissolved totally.

However, I have all white flakes... They are hard and smell very pepperminthy/mentholy, so I was wondering if it was that? Or could it be anything else? Could this be a problem for the Virile Mane, that some active is not dissolved and isn't getting into my scalp enough?

Thanks!
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I've never heard of menthol crystallizing OUT of peppermint oil. This is definitely odd.

I have samples of every batch - and none of the ones I have are like that at all.
 
rammerman said:
dsade

i have been on this stuff almost 3 months now with no results....as i mentioned before, am concerned because the stuff seems to sit on my scalp and not be absorbed.....

i run some tissue paper on my scalp hours after application and there is a lot of brownish residue from the VM

my question is - what do you think about me adding some more alcohol to my bottle to maybe help with that problem? im not getting results as it is anyways....

how much alcohol and what type should i use?

do you think it could help at all?

thanks
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Sorry, but I need to say this. Rammerman, you are really full of it. I'm not here to say Virile Mane works, but it does need to be given a fair chance. Dsade is extremely patient and I'm surprised that you don't use Rammerman as a speed bag.

On page 28 Dec 13th Rammerman states that he started last night (Dec 12th). On page 35 he states that he is almost 1 month (Jan 5th). Now on page 41, he is 3 months???? Basically, he is 2 months and a day.

I've been on for almost 2 months. Not sure whether working or not. Hair is a funny thing. You see a new hair coming in and one assumes it is a 'new' hair. Sometimes it is, sometimes it was a hair that had fallen out earlier and is cycling again. It takes at least 6 months to evaluate any hair loss product.

See this link and it explains about the hair growth phases. I couldn't post in URL format since I haven't posted enough.

follicle.com/hair-structure-life-cycle.html

When I see a fairly healthy hair fall out I don't panic as much as telling myself, I'll see you in 30-60 days. If you are doing things that provide a healthier environment for which the hair to grow, it'll grow back in at least that healthy.

Sometimes when adding a successful element to your regimen, it will extend the current anagen phase a little longer. Then those hairs fall out and you won't see them again for IMHO 30 days minimum and as long as 90 days. Balding hairs have a shorter anagen phase and it would take many cycles to get back to a regular healthy hair even if that were attainable. For example anagen hairs that grow 2 - 6 years before shedding and then the growth cycle gets down to a couple of months. That didn't happen overnight and took several cycles where a hair grows long and needs cutting to where a hair doesn't grow long enough to even need cutting (unless you buzz). It won't happen overnight or in one cycle to get back to original state (again even if that were possible).

Patience, patience, patience ...
 
rammerman said:
im going to keep adding more alcohol until the residue stops....so far, not enough
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Rammer...I have spent the better half of my afternoon sitting at home conducting an experiment for you.

At 10:30 I applied my VM as directed (half-pea size per spot, rubbing vigorously) onto a clean scalp.

at 11:20 I rubbed my scalp, again vigorously, with a kleenex. I got zero residue - so I went ahead and applied it AGAIN.

at 1:15 I did the kleenex test again, with no residue - so I went ahead and applied the VM a third time.

5 minutes ago I checked again, and I am getting zero residue on a clean white kleenex.

Just for kicks, I went ahead and applied more VM. However, I'm done with this - it's Valentine's Day and this week has been a week from hell (we lost the back wall of the factory to a giant tree limb due to winds).

As mentioned before, I think you have to be either applying WAY too much VM, or you are not bothering to rub it in until you are getting mass skin resistance ( a sign that it's absorbed). Given your report of no results, I would venture perhaps a combination of both factors - however, if you are not rubbing it in sufficiently, and having residue, the active aren't exactly getting to the tissue structures where they need to get to, are they?
 
maybe his bottle was contaminated somhow or storred at freezing temps for a while etc?

Ram, if you have another bottle plz try it and see. i know the brown flakes you talk about. i get them when i dont closer the cap tight and come the next day. but its a minute amount anyways. so im thinking your bottle may have been punctured or similar?
 
dsade

i just wanted to thank you for taking the time and trying out what you did. i believe i am following instructions, but i will try applying even less and massaging in longer in hopes it makes a difference. either way, i appreciate your time.

djremix - i have one other sealed bottle of VM that i guess i will try and see if i get any results instead.

thanks
 
dsade

i just wanted to thank you for taking the time and trying out what you did. i believe i am following instructions, but i will try applying even less and massaging in longer in hopes it makes a difference. either way, i appreciate your time.

djremix - i have one other sealed bottle of VM that i guess i will try and see if i get any results instead.

thanks
 
i think its how hard you rub it in.

if i apply it to my thin hairline or a bald spot theres no residue. BUt apply it to the temples where i have hair, and its hard to spread and thus just gathers and sits there and can be wipped off like 2 hours later.
 
Nearly 2 months, no detectable results. I thought I saw 3-4 tiny hairs at the hairline, but they've been there since week 2.
 
wow things really slowed down lately on this board.

i guess those experiencing a slight regrowth have nothing new to report.

i see like 10 baby tiny hairs that arent a cosmetic change. But that spot was bald b4. Unfortunally ive been using Rogain for like 6 weeks now. So that complicated the results.
 
I'll have some pics in a couple of weeks; at 0, 2 and 4 months.

I was intending to wait till 6 months but I can post them up after the 4th.
 
Flyboy said:
I'll have some pics in a couple of weeks; at 0, 2 and 4 months.

I was intending to wait till 6 months but I can post them up after the 4th.
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how your progress go?

i decided to add rogaine to the whole thing. been on it for 1 month. But its greasy so i jumped onto Dr Lees minox. But when that dries i sometimes see white dried up minox on my scalp.

overall my hairline is thicker. If i can get rogaine to be less greasy ill actually see my hairline growing back like the way it was 4 years ago.

Also started applying virile mane to the back of my head. Its hard to work it in with all the hair. So it staines my scalp.
 
I still have no new growth after 4 months, so I went on propecia. I can not use minox because it irritates my scalp, so I'm staying with VM at night only. I'm also going to try Revita shampoo.
 
I've been using Virile Mane twice daily for 3 months, along with noxidant once daily. A few weeks ago I started utilizing vitamin D at 5000iu/day as well. I've started to be able to tell better what is new growth and what is not. I have quite a few hairs now which are much darker than the rest, and grow faster as well. I give myself a buzz cut once a week, and the new hairs are typically almost twice as long as the surrounding hairs (healthy ones at that) when I do the buzzing.

The worst spot on my head was at the sides of my head, where the diffuse thinning pattern starts, where I had some nearly bald spots previously. Those have really been filling back in nicely. Although I still have a long ways to go, I am definitely seeing nice progress thus far. I have five months until my wedding, my ultimate hope is to see enough improvement in the next 3 months or so that will enable me to grow the hair out a bit. In my hair's current condition, I'm simply not comfortable with how thin it is, and as a result keep it very short in buzz cut fashion.
 
AFOX said:
I still have no new growth after 4 months, so I went on propecia. I can not use minox because it irritates my scalp, so I'm staying with VM at night only. I'm also going to try Revita shampoo.
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go to ww.minoxidil.com Dr Lee makes minox with less propylene glycol or no propylene glycol which is what is irritating your skin. hes trusted by everyone in the hairloss community so you arent getting ripped off.
 
remma777 said:
what is the verdict on this. it seems hit or miss to me. not a slam dunk like i thought it would be on paper
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i think its a hit. This stuff is cheap and last a loooooooong time and lots of people see results quick. So i think more people should try it out so we can get better feedback.

ive seen alot people give posititve reviews, a few people saying nothing improved, better than saying it made my hair worse.

Basically theres more positive reviews than minox or propecia get, and they are FDA approved to regrow hair.
 
Just another quick update here. I have new hairs growing in the temple regions of my head. It looks a little awkward, as they are somewhat orphaned from the rest of my hairline (very similar to the pictures Dsade posted earlier in the thread).

Perhaps the vitamin D addition is key in the recent success I've had. I didn't start seeing the dark, faster grower hairs until a few days ago.
 
I am a strong believer that the vitamin D is a potent contributor.

I am looking into the effectivess of topical vitamin D as an enanced formula down the road, but oral vitamin D is extremely cheap andhas so many more benefits besides just hair growth, it should be a strong staple anyway - especiallyin winter.

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What would you recommend as the upper limits for vitamin D supplementation? Most of the articles I read suggested 2000iu as the upper limit, but then there was the odd article that stated as high as 10000iu shouldn't pose any problems.
 
max silver said:
What would you recommend as the upper limits for vitamin D supplementation? Most of the articles I read suggested 2000iu as the upper limit, but then there was the odd article that stated as high as 10000iu shouldn't pose any problems.
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The most recent thinking I've seen is around 4000 to 5000 during winterish months, and 2000-3000 during summer months- but it is highly dependent on how much direct sunlight you get.

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Last time I posted in here, I was seeing definite regrowth of new dark hairs; that has not only continued, but since bumping Vit.D to 3g/daily & adding Toco-8, I'm seeing similar regrowth of still-white hairs.

If it sounds like that means the balder spots are thickening-in even faster, good. That's what's happening.
 
I'm about 3.5 months in now, almost 4 months. I started using on November 7.

My experience is good. VM has not made my hair worse at and it hasn't affected my libido (as some poster was claiming months ago). My hair loss has not increased.

I'm still seeing regrowth in my thin areas but not in enough abundance yet to make a cosmetic difference in those areas.

The new hairs that grew since I started VM are all growing longer and are thick black hairs. They are just not enough in abundance yet.

In the small slick bald area on top I have I have not seen regrowth yet, although my wife says the hairs are growing in thicker around that spot. We're curious if that's how it might fill in and shrink.

The good news is VM thickens your existing hair giving incredible thickness and coverage. My hair is much healthier than before I started using the product. It has a lot more body and lift.

I know this because my wife showed me pictures from October when I went to a wedding and pictures from a few weeks ago. My hair looks completely different when styled. It has a fullness that I didn't have before. For that, I'm very thankful.

Still hoping to see miraculous regrowth and I'm in it for the long haul with this product. I'm almost at 4 months and I'm barely through my 2nd bottle.

I've been supplementing with 5000IU of D-3 a day and I'm thinking of adding the Toco 8 to my regimen to see if that makes any difference.
 
I think I might look into adding some vit D... see what happens. easy enough to do!

I also agree with how the VM makes your hair seem healthier - and it does so very quickly. My friend commented how darker and more full my hair looked after only a couple of weeks, far too early to have been from any sort of actual growth/thickening.

One thing to bear in mind with losing your hair is that maintenance (ie not necessarily getting better, but not getting any worse) is also some degree of success. It's always easier to keep what you have than grow back what's lost - so anyone reading this and thinking about starting something (anything) just do it sooner rather than later imho.

Dsade - is it D3 or D2 i should be after?
 
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