Yeah I mean both Epiandro and 3AD will be dry on their own and minimally suppressive (although PCT after 12 weeks would still be something you’d want to do), and require no support unless you are acne prone (3-5 grams pantothenic acid/B5 daily over 2-3 doses, with or without some L-Carnitine per dose, helps reduce acne). They will help gym energy & drive and give a little strength and fullness, more-so 3AD. Epiandro is more of a preWO burst. You can stack them even.