VERSA-1, Compound20, SS Forskolin-95 (8 weeks)

breezy11 said:
It's intense lol. Yeah, that's been my experience in the past with ArA.

I got some X-Gels right when they were released the first time and had a 6 bottle run (bought 3/compensated 3). It was kind of a pain taking 20 of them pre-workout, but I enjoyed it lol.

I'll probably end this log soon and relocate in the training forum. I'll be done with C20 tomorrow and I'm stopping V-1 after I try it a few times with Enhanced. I'm almost out of forskolin as well.
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Definitely the next thing I want to try. Just hope someone comes out with a version where I don't have o swallow so many caps.
 
fumoney said:
Definitely the next thing I want to try. Just hope someone comes out with a version where I don't have o swallow so many caps.
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The recommended dose (on the bottle) for X-Factor is 4 gels, and I'm guessing X-Gels will be similar. That would give you 1g of ArA.
 
breezy11 said:
The recommended dose (on the bottle) for X-Factor is 4 gels, and I'm guessing X-Gels will be similar. That would give you 1g of ArA.
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Yep. I want to try the SNS version. I am sure they will get the dosing corrected.
 
fumoney said:
Yep. I want to try the SNS version. I am sure they will get the dosing corrected.
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It should be more affordable as well. I got my X-Factor with the 200ct. bottle pre-sale, so it was a good deal.
 
chedapalooza said:
And U take that on workout days only ?

I'm reexamining my creatine situation was taking 5 caps mcc on training days and 4 on off days..but my legs were getting too big! currently taking 4 caps everyday but thinking maybe should move to workout days only and increase the caps? I need my legs to shrink lol
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Haha the creatine won't make your legs bigger in of itself, only aids you in getting a few extra reps. You could always just lower the volume of your workouts.
 
Jiigzz said:
Haha the creatine won't make your legs bigger in of itself, only aids you in getting a few extra reps. You could always just lower the volume of your workouts.
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Yea.. I increases weight on all my lifts lol... Just my legs (and chest) grow like weeds... Rest of my body does not .. So It's uncomfortable at this point.. Just gonna drop the weight
 
chedapalooza said:
Yea.. I increases weight on all my lifts lol... Just my legs (and chest) grow like weeds... Rest of my body does not .. So It's uncomfortable at this point.. Just gonna drop the weight
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I'm literally the polar opposite, my legs and chest grow slowly while the rest just take off. I just compensate by increasing the intensity haha
 
I'd follow if you did a training log once this ends. I think a lot of people would appreciate it especially with how interesting Meadows methods are and it would be helpful to those looking for questions on it. :thumbsup:
 
Hoping that versa sample makes it before I hit the gym!
 
Jiigzz said:
I'm literally the polar opposite, my legs and chest grow slowly while the rest just take off. I just compensate by increasing the intensity haha
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Mtn. Dog chest and legs ;)

bolt10 said:
I'd follow if you did a training log once this ends. I think a lot of people would appreciate it especially with how interesting Meadows methods are and it would be helpful to those looking for questions on it. :thumbsup:
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Thanks bolt. That's a pretty good point. There really doesn't seem to be many logs out there using his methods, at least that I've seen. I'll be finishing the program in a couple weeks, but plan to start back up shortly after...and I missed out on picking up the band pack with the sale. I'll grab it soon either way though.


LiveToLift said:
Hoping that versa sample makes it before I hit the gym!
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Hope it does too man. UPS just pushed back my estimated delivery time for Enhanced to as late as 6PM :(. At least I'm not working out today.
 
I've read mixed reviews about X-Factor and XFA. What are your thoughts on X-factor?
 
iSamurai said:
I've read mixed reviews about X-Factor and XFA. What are your thoughts on X-factor?
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One of the best supplements (ArA) available for positive changes in body composition. I haven't used XFA, but wouldn't recommend it due to the inclusion of omega-3's (anti-inflammatory). ArA is a pro-inflammatory fatty acid, so it would seem counterproductive to include them. I actually stop using fish oil during my ArA runs and keep my super cissus dosing as far away from ArA as possible.
 
It came after my workout breezy. Thanks brother! Can't wait to give both a shot. The mbcaa smells delicious!
 
breezy11 said:
One of the best supplements (ArA) available for positive changes in body composition. I haven't used XFA, but wouldn't recommend it due to the inclusion of omega-3's (anti-inflammatory). ArA is a pro-inflammatory fatty acid, so it would seem counterproductive to include them. I actually stop using fish oil during my ArA runs and keep my super cissus dosing as far away from ArA as possible.
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I have two tubs of Animal Test (that have ArA in them)... anyone tried? should give this a shot. Good tip about the Omega's and cissus...
 
LiveToLift said:
It came after my workout breezy. Thanks brother! Can't wait to give both a shot. The mbcaa smells delicious!
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No problem man. That's too bad, but I'm glad it got there. I'm interested in seeing what you think. I'll be trying it with a scoop of Alphamine in a minute. Should be good.
 
wasme said:
I have two tubs of Animal Test (that have ArA in them)... anyone tried? should give this a shot. Good tip about the Omega's and cissus...
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I've heard nothing, but great things about Animal Test, minus the price.
 
breezy11 said:
One of the best supplements (ArA) available for positive changes in body composition. I haven't used XFA, but wouldn't recommend it due to the inclusion of omega-3's (anti-inflammatory). ArA is a pro-inflammatory fatty acid, so it would seem counterproductive to include them. I actually stop using fish oil during my ArA runs and keep my super cissus dosing as far away from ArA as possible.
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Very interesting, have you experienced good results with X-Factor? I've heard it gives you crazy DOMS, something I'll have to consider throwing in during future cycles.
 
breezy11 said:
No problem man. That's too bad, but I'm glad it got there. I'm interested in seeing what you think. I'll be trying it with a scoop of Alphamine in a minute. Should be good.
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Not gonna lie I'm more excited to try the versa sample. After enhanced those two ingredients have me curious!
 
What do you guys think of following for PWO ?

Alphamine
Enhanced
Versa-1
Compound 20
SS Forskolin-95 or ABE

I ask because they are all recommended to be taken prior to workout.

Too much ?
 
wasme said:
I have two tubs of Animal Test (that have ArA in them)... anyone tried? should give this a shot. Good tip about the Omega's and cissus...
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I haven't tried it, nor have I seen any feedback on it.

Thanks. I think as long as you keep them about 5 hours away from ArA they shouldn't really interfere...I prefer to be extra cautious ;)
 
fumoney said:
What do you guys think of following for PWO ?

Alphamine
Enhanced
Versa-1
Compound 20
SS Forskolin-95 or ABE

I ask because they are all recommended to be taken prior to workout.

Too much ?
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Alphamine and Enhanced together might be a bit too much stim..
 
I'd go with Alphamine and Enhanced separate first. If you do want to combine them after assessing tolerance of each I'd start with a lower dose of both.
 
breezy11 said:
I haven't tried it, nor have I seen any feedback on it.

Thanks. I think as long as you keep them about 5 hours away from ArA they shouldn't really interfere...I prefer to be extra cautious ;)
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Thanks breezy.. two cans is good for 42 days.. perhaps I will just give it a go, being as they are sitting in my box and see what happens, mind you I can never just run one thing lol
 
Alphamine has proven to be better than most preworkouts on the market for me. Clean energy, total focus and seems to last a few hours.
 
Bolt and Wasme......

Thank you !
 
iSamurai said:
Very interesting, have you experienced good results with X-Factor? I've heard it gives you crazy DOMS, something I'll have to consider throwing in during future cycles.
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Yup, both X-Factor and X-Gels. I've had decent lean mass gains and body recomposition results. DOMS and pumps can be intense. You could probably get a good deal when X-Gels are released (again).
 
LiveToLift said:
Not gonna lie I'm more excited to try the versa sample. After enhanced those two ingredients have me curious!
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I'm way too excited to combine the 2 lol. I think you'll like it. It takes a little longer for some people to feel the effects, but hopefully you're not one of them lol. Added focus/mental clarity will probably be apparent from the first dose.
 
Got my Enhanced/Erase. No better way to test out the V-1/Enhanced combo than with a high intensity leg session in the morning :)
 
breezy11 said:
Got my Enhanced/Erase. No better way to test out the V-1/Enhanced combo than with a high intensity leg session in the morning :)
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Definitely will be looking for your feedback on this !!!!
 
fumoney said:
Definitely will be looking for your feedback on this !!!!
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Having used both already, I'm fairly confident it'll be positive. I'm curious to see if I'll want to lower my Enhanced dose when combined. The focus should be very intense.
 
breezy11 said:
Having used both already, I'm fairly confident it'll be positive. I'm curious to see if I'll want to lower my Enhanced dose when combined. The focus should be very intense.
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The final product does have Calcium Carbonate that should theoretically increase the stimulant effect. I felt 1.5 servings with my V-1 yesterday was on par with my sample packs. I really enjoyed the focus, other than having to convince myself not to add extra work to my program.
 
bolt10 said:
The final product does have Calcium Carbonate that should theoretically increase the stimulant effect. I felt 1.5 servings with my V-1 yesterday was on par with my sample packs. I really enjoyed the focus, other than having to convince myself not to add extra work to my program.
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Yeah, I saw that being mentioned. I might start a little lower tomorrow as well. I'll attempt to quickly beat my legs into submission so I don't have the option of staying.
 
wasme said:
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts Breezy...
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I look forward to sharing them.


Quick update. Bicep DOMS are intense (doesn't happen often) and triceps aren't far behind. My chest seems to be recovering pretty fast, as soreness is minimal.
 
I grilled some big turkey burgers tonight.

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Delicious.
 
Nice ..... Looks awesome. Homemade? Always found ground turkey to have a weird flavour, but perhaps that is because I am expecting it to be beefy....
 
wasme said:
Nice ..... Looks awesome. Homemade? Always found ground turkey to have a weird flavour, but perhaps that is because I am expecting it to be beefy....
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Thanks. They're homemade. I added some Worcestershire sauce, which gives them a little more flavor. I have a recipe that includes ricotta cheese, but left it out. There's sauteed onions on top for extra flavor as well.
 
wasme said:
Makes me wanna buy some ground turkey and give it another go...
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Go for it. There's plenty of ways you could spice it up. I've added Franks (buffalo) and blue cheese before as well. You can top it with a blue cheese crumble/mayo mix.
 
R3act hooked me up with enhanced so tomorrow will be versa/enhanced for back and bis! Can only imagine the focus and pump coming my way!
 
LiveToLift said:
R3act hooked me up with enhanced so tomorrow will be versa/enhanced for back and bis! Can only imagine the focus and pump coming my way!
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What a guy! Is tomorrow today? There's a good chance you're in for a highly focused workout with a serious pump. I wouldn't be too surprised if you end up with some DOMS from effectively hitting/destroying your muscles either.

I'm getting ready to attack my legs :)
 
breezy11 said:
What a guy! Is tomorrow today? There's a good chance you're in for a highly focused workout with a serious pump. I wouldn't be too surprised if you end up with some DOMS from effectively hitting/destroying your muscles either.

I'm getting ready to attack my legs :)
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Yep today. About to pop the versa when I get home and sip on enhanced while I wait. Back day!
 
Today's workout had me nauseous for over an hour after I finished. Every intensity technique I could think of was used, and I barely made it out of the gym.

Big thumbs up for the V-1/Enhanced combo.

I'll have a full update posted later.
 
Tried the prone shrugs today...not sure how we feel about each other yet
 
I tried the front and behind overhead presses yesterday... doms today in my shoulders are insane.

Yet to try the prone shrugs...
 
Danb2285 said:
Tried the prone shrugs today...not sure how we feel about each other yet
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Haha. I think we're in love lol. It took me a couple tries before I really got the hang of them.
 
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