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VECTOR pre release leaks and info

Malbranque said:
I took Pred*tor and Vector 15 minutes before approx 60g carbs/Karbolic.
Then did my workout about 45 minutes later.
I would never take a GDA without food except maybe a light one like ILoad or Slin Sane at bedtime.
Problem was, and what I was asking was, is Vector and Pred too much with regards GDA properties, cause and effects
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I think its a bad idea to take both pre workout. This a time when you need glucose the most. If anything this is when you allow carbs in.
Otherwise youll feel like you did or worse. Overall Vector has GDA properties. It has corosolic, oleanolic, chlorogenic, ursolic etc.
ITs GDA game is strong which is why most take with food. Some can do without but I suggest always having some carbs around training and if you do choose to try another GDA with VEctor do it near a high carb meal.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
GDA's are great for higher carb refeeds, maybe daily use for your biggest carb meal. Would Not use on a high fat or high fat + high carb meal. GDA's dont prevent fat gain from a cheat day, thats not how they work. Look at something like Defuse for a cheat day blowout
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I tend to use both Defuse and something like Slin Max on a cheat day blow out.
 
Just ate my first 2 pills - Vector. Finished my Anabeta Elite cycle yesterday. Excited. Something new.
 
I will be getting my blood work done tomorrow morning. I have been running Vector since 3 weeks after it was released. I didn’t plan on running bloods for Vector so I do not have pre-bloods (only from 1 year ago). Nonetheless, it will still be interesting to see how things come out.
 
ELROCK said:
I will be getting my blood work done tomorrow morning. I have been running Vector since 3 weeks after it was released. I didn’t plan on running bloods for Vector so I do not have pre-bloods (only from 1 year ago). Nonetheless, it will still be interesting to see how things come out.
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Should be interesting anyway to see.
 
Just ordered my 4th tub BLR direct early yesterday. Still haven’t heard anything except will that it will dispatch as soon as possible. Any chance brundel could shed some light? Order #10322
 
dukes3577 said:
Just ordered my 4th tub BLR direct early yesterday. Still haven’t heard anything except will that it will dispatch as soon as possible. Any chance brundel could shed some light? Order #10322
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Best thing to do here is go to ourInvalid Link Removed page, and then put your order number in the Subject field.

Best,
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ELROCK said:
I will be getting my blood work done tomorrow morning. I have been running Vector since 3 weeks after it was released. I didn’t plan on running bloods for Vector so I do not have pre-bloods (only from 1 year ago). Nonetheless, it will still be interesting to see how things come out.
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What have you been taking with vector?
 
Dukethumper said:
My maintenance is about 3000 and i have been eating 1800-2000 and i feel great surprisingly, no rise in cortisol, workouts have been great and feel myself getting stronger and slimmer, i will start a log tomorrow
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That’s awesome. What else have you been taking?

Post the link for the log, I’m follow
 
u_e_s_i said:
What have you been taking with vector?
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Just Vector and my staples. The “staples” have been:

Swanson whole Food Multivitamin
Fish oils
Rotate Pre-workout drinks on training days.
Probiotic
Genoflex-joint supp
TruZMA for sleep
Kratom on most days
NAC
Agmatine
 
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Ook so here we go...about to start this stack but have some questions.I wanna use it in a recomp/cutting phase but im not sure about the dosing...so id like suggestions from the ones who used this stack...should i take them together,with or pre food,etc ??
 
Hey, I ran some bloodwork after 10 weeks of Vector and my estrogen is super low (lower than the reference range by a bit - 0.04). My T is still within normal ranges, but lower than before (like a 300 points drop from 720 to 404) and Sbgh is a little bit higher, but still within normal range.

Any thoughts on that?
 
dukes3577 said:
Just ordered my 4th tub BLR direct early yesterday. Still haven’t heard anything except will that it will dispatch as soon as possible. Any chance brundel could shed some light? Order #10322
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Head over to our site and email through the contact page. Forum reps dont handle shipping and receiving.
Its also only been 1 day. More than likely it hasnt shipped and will go out the day following your order which would be today.
 
Dani93 said:
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Ook so here we go...about to start this stack but have some questions.I wanna use it in a recomp/cutting phase but im not sure about the dosing...so id like suggestions from the ones who used this stack...should i take them together,with or pre food,etc ??
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Take 2x Vector and 1x Follidrone 3 times a day with a meal.
 
mbonheur said:
Hey, I ran some bloodwork after 10 weeks of Vector and my estrogen is super low (lower than the reference range by a bit - 0.04). My T is still within normal ranges, but lower than before (like a 300 points drop from 720 to 404) and Sbgh is a little bit higher, but still within normal range.

Any thoughts on that?
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Post the labs so we can take a look.
 
Dani93 said:
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Ook so here we go...about to start this stack but have some questions.I wanna use it in a recomp/cutting phase but im not sure about the dosing...so id like suggestions from the ones who used this stack...should i take them together,with or pre food,etc ??
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Split as evenly as possible. I do. 6am / 11:30am / 8:00pm I workout in the evening
FD2: 1/1/1 (On workout days I take 2ea. pre workout)
Vector: 2/2/2 (I try to dose this the same every day)
I try to take it about 15 - 30 min before I eat. If you forget its not that big of a deal to take it while eating or after.
 
brundel said:
Post the labs so we can take a look.
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I already gave you the values in the text. It was just a quick cheap test to check T, E and Sbgh
 
mbonheur said:
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I already gave you the values in the text. It was just a quick cheap test to check T, E and Sbgh
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When you say cheap test how was it performed?

List all supplements you are taking or have taken in the last 2 months.
Any steroids, prohormones, sarms etc in the last 6 months-year.
Any pre health issues.
Any medications.
Any recreational drugs.
Do you have a high stress job?
How is your diet? Lots of sugars?
 
brundel said:
When you say cheap test how was it performed?

List all supplements you are taking or have taken in the last 2 months.
Any steroids, prohormones, sarms etc in the last 6 months-year.
Any pre health issues.
Any medications.
Any recreational drugs.
Do you have a high stress job?
How is your diet? Lots of sugars?
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Cheap as in "not extensive" including prolactine, free T, etc. this costs extra in my country.

Only staples such as creatine, Citrulline, fish oil, multi, etc.

Never taken roids, prohormones "SARMs

I don't take recreational drugs, don't smoke and do not drink alcohol. No medications.

Clean diet, almost no simple sugars.

Job is not too stressful.

Maybe overtraining as I was euphoric with my strength gains using Vector.

Low blood pressure and sex drive used to be better.
 
mbonheur said:
Hey, I ran some bloodwork after 10 weeks of Vector and my estrogen is super low (lower than the reference range by a bit - 0.04). My T is still within normal ranges, but lower than before (like a 300 points drop from 720 to 404) and Sbgh is a little bit higher, but still within normal range.

Any thoughts on that?
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If this was posted by someone other, I would barely believe but you are one of the honest members here.

1. Your E is lower than normal
2. Almost 50% T decrease
3. SHBG increased by 25%

So you had same bloodwork both times ? Not changing the brand/company ?
 
Danes said:
If this was posted by someone other, I would barely believe but you are one of the honest members here.

1. Your E is lower than normal
2. Almost 50% T decrease
3. SHBG increased by 25%

So you had same bloodwork both times ? Not changing the brand/company ?
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Yeah, same lab. Shbg went from about 30 to 40. My E was at 73 before.
 
Third bottle of Vector ... and I said everything ?
Fourth of Follidrone2.

I'm finding it super good.
This week I changed training and diet, let's see what happens again.

One thing, it could be a case, I do not know, I did some exam tests, I have good cholesterol, hdl, high, why?
?
 
bb333 said:
Third bottle of Vector ... and I said everything ��
Fourth of Follidrone2.

I'm finding it super good.
This week I changed training and diet, let's see what happens again.

One thing, it could be a case, I do not know, I did some exam tests, I have good cholesterol, hdl, high, why?
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THis is a good thing man. Id take it ;)
High hdl is priceless.
 
mbonheur said:
Cheap as in "not extensive" including prolactine, free T, etc. this costs extra in my country.

Only staples such as creatine, Citrulline, fish oil, multi, etc.

Never taken roids, prohormones "SARMs

I don't take recreational drugs, don't smoke and do not drink alcohol. No medications.

Clean diet, almost no simple sugars.

Job is not too stressful.

Maybe overtraining as I was euphoric with my strength gains using Vector.

Low blood pressure and sex drive used to be better.
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I doubt Vector has anything to do with it.
PLus after 2 straight months on VEctor you posted this less than a month ago=

"I also like Vector and started today my third bottle. I also did some bloodwork and nothing to report. No significant change in anything.
I just would like to know where the strength gains are coming from. "

2 months and no changes on the labs indicates that any changes now are caused by something else.
And why are you running labs every few weeks?
 
brundel said:
I doubt Vector has anything to do with it.
PLus after 2 straight months on VEctor you posted this=

"I also like Vector and started today my third bottle. I also did some bloodwork and nothing to report. No significant change in anything.
I just would like to know where the strength gains are coming from. "

2 months and no changes on the labs indicates that any changes now are caused by something else.
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The labs were not after 2 months but after 6 weeks, but you are right.
 
I had a good first run with vector. The only side I had that I didn't like was sluggishness, I was feeling pretty lethargic. I was definitely noticing sick pumps, strength increase, and good aggression. The weight was starting to just feel lighter. I have had a hard time increasing bench and vector was helping get through my platue.

I saw someone at my wife's CrossFit gym, had been a month since is seem her. She said you could totally see I had thickened up in my upper body, I had been mixing back and chest super sets with high volume while on vector, so this was good to hear. I also was having the results I was while being at a slight caloric defecit most days. When I do this again, I'm going to just run when I can get two bottles at once. The magic was really setting in with the first bottle, so two or three bottles would be my minimum till really maximize vectors benefits. Good stuff BLR
 
resrch3d said:
I had a good first run with vector. The only side I had that I didn't like was sluggishness, I was feeling pretty lethargic. I was definitely noticing sick pumps, strength increase, and good aggression. The weight was starting to just feel lighter. I have had a hard time increasing bench and vector was helping get through my platue.

I saw someone at my wife's CrossFit gym, had been a month since is seem her. She said you could totally see I had thickened up in my upper body, I had been mixing back and chest super sets with high volume while on vector, so this was good to hear. I also was having the results I was while being at a slight caloric defecit most days. When I do this again, I'm going to just run when I can get two bottles at once. The magic was really setting in with the first bottle, so two or three bottles would be my minimum till really maximize vectors benefits. Good stuff BLR
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Sounds like it went well. The sluggish feeling is probably hypoglycemia and the body struggling under the caloric deficit. Vector shuttles glucose into muscles and increases protein synthesis so caloric deficit is rough. To be fair caloric deficit is rough normally either way. When I start to drop carbs and cals I feel pretty run down.
 
Given this situation in a cutting phase and stacking Folli and Vector u suggest always to keep folli 1x3 and vector 2x3 or when in deficit keep vector at 1x3 and up follidrone doses ? brundel
 
Dani93 said:
Given this situation in a cutting phase and stacking Folli and Vector u suggest always to keep folli 1x3 and vector 2x3 or when in deficit keep vector at 1x3 and up follidrone doses ? brundel
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I think keep doses normal.
We want to continue to utilize all of the chemical constituents in Vector. Full dose. PLus Follidrone is dosed well.
Just watch how you feel. If you start to feel run down have a re feed meal to replenish glycogen stores.
 
resrch3d said:
I had a good first run with vector. The only side I had that I didn't like was sluggishness, I was feeling pretty lethargic. I was definitely noticing sick pumps, strength increase, and good aggression. The weight was starting to just feel lighter. I have had a hard time increasing bench and vector was helping get through my platue.

I saw someone at my wife's CrossFit gym, had been a month since is seem her. She said you could totally see I had thickened up in my upper body, I had been mixing back and chest super sets with high volume while on vector, so this was good to hear. I also was having the results I was while being at a slight caloric defecit most days. When I do this again, I'm going to just run when I can get two bottles at once. The magic was really setting in with the first bottle, so two or three bottles would be my minimum till really maximize vectors benefits. Good stuff BLR
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Great progress and good info! I plan on joining a CrossFit gym myself as I have more time on my hands since I’m a single bachelor again. Time to see those crossfit ladies!
 
jgntyce said:
Great progress and good info! I plan on joining a CrossFit gym myself as I have more time on my hands since I’m a single bachelor again. Time to see those crossfit ladies!
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No kidding there! there is a crossfit class attached to my gym! bachelor + Crossfit = pretty good time,
 
Hyperfluxe said:
How much sugar/carbs do you think is sufficient with 2-3 caps of Vector to avoid hypoglycemia issues, like 50g?
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THis is different for everyone. For example guys who are in ketosis are ok with 0 carbs.
And everyone responds to Vector differently. I Suggest just taking it with meals and not worry about the carbs unless you have issues.
 
brundel said:
THis is different for everyone. For example guys who are in ketosis are ok with 0 carbs.
And everyone responds to Vector differently. I Suggest just taking it with meals and not worry about the carbs unless you have issues.
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I would also not underestimate the PWO dose. It definitely makes a difference.
 
So there may not be an exact answer to this. brundel, I'm currently taking a medication and I don't think there's would be a negative interaction but I'm taking buspirone currently. Any reason to think it would have a negative reaction? It's a 5-ht1a receptor partial antagonist ( prescribed for anxiety) thanks for any info
 
I am 5 days off of my long Vector run. I look and feel flat. Strength has been down a bit. I will likely do a month off then jump back on.
 
jtmass said:
What were your big 3 numbers when on Vector and what's it now since you're off?
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I don’t go for 1 rep max anymore. I have had a spinal fusion with rods and an arthroscopic on my shoulder so doing heavy weight on Squats and deads don’t happen anymore. I still do squats and deads and added reps and had the weights feeling lighter.

I did break plateaus on my bench press and leg press. I hit 1 rep max of 275 for bench (which is really great for me with all things considered). I added 90 lbs (two plates) to leg press over the 16 week run at the same rep range.

The other exercises I was adding weight without much effort during my Vector run. Weights just feel lighter and I felt stronger. Now, that I am off of it weights are feeling heavy (plenty of factors could be involved here). I have only had two workouts since coming off Vector. Next week I will try to see what numbers I can hit now.
 
resrch3d said:
So there may not be an exact answer to this. brundel, I'm currently taking a medication and I don't think there's would be a negative interaction but I'm taking buspirone currently. Any reason to think it would have a negative reaction? It's a 5-ht1a receptor partial antagonist ( prescribed for anxiety) thanks for any info
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I dont see any reasons there would be any interaction here.
 
ELROCK said:
I am 5 days off of my long Vector run. I look and feel flat. Strength has been down a bit. I will likely do a month off then jump back on.
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Unfortunately like any anabolic that really works youll notice once you stop.
This just reminds us its working ;)
At least once stopping this one your balls are not atrophied and your cholesterol isnt 400.
 
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