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So wth, 2 days on vector and 2 definite effects from starting it. Powerful GDA like effects and boners. Seriously, like lay down on the bed, GF lays beside me, boner, instant, won’t go down. This is crazy because usually a natural anabolic or test booster (I know vector isn’t a test booster) will have some kind of AI that ****s my libido hard. I can still have sex, just don’t ever feel like doing it on an AI, like never getting in the “mood” to do it. I thought a product like this (for me) would be nice w/o an AI. These 2 days I have been semi chub a lot more to.

I can tell the GDA effects to, veins popping out in areas that wouldn’t until I was leaner, muscles feeling fuller, etc.
 
Malbranque said:
Just curious as to meal timing. Have my Vector in front of me now. Do I take it 15-20 mins before carbs like most GDAs or do I just take with meals?

Okay to stack with Nolvadren Xt?
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I think just take it with food. Its not just a GDA. The GDA effects are almost side effects.
Just make sure to eat enough.
Dont see any reason you cant stack with that.
 
Rockzilla said:
So wth, 2 days on vector and 2 definite effects from starting it. Powerful GDA like effects and boners. Seriously, like lay down on the bed, GF lays beside me, boner, instant, won’t go down. This is crazy because usually a natural anabolic or test booster (I know vector isn’t a test booster) will have some kind of AI that ****s my libido hard. I can still have sex, just don’t ever feel like doing it on an AI, like never getting in the “mood” to do it. I thought a product like this (for me) would be nice w/o an AI. These 2 days I have been semi chub a lot more to.

I can tell the GDA effects to, veins popping out in areas that wouldn’t until I was leaner, muscles feeling fuller, etc.
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Pretty awesome right ;)
If anything we would expect test levels to rise. An anabolic should behave this way.
Libido
Strength
Muscle mass
Fat loss
etc etc

AIs kill libido for pretty much everyone who doesnt have elevated estrogen levels. They are good for those people and, or, for like the last 4 weeks of a stack cycle to dry everything out. But youll still have to tolerate the sides like low libido.
Not so with Vector.
 
Got it....so looks like i ll have to use it while i will enter in my cutting phase,should i expect some results while im cutting or this product works for recomping-lean bulk ??
 
Dani93 said:
Got it....so looks like i ll have to use it while i will enter in my cutting phase,should i expect some results while im cutting or this product works for recomping-lean bulk ??
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Vector is a mass building supplement primarily. Ive seen guys gain a lean 10-15lbs on a bulk. = Calories well above maintenance.
It is also good for recomp. If you keep cals just above maintenance = recomp.
Yes you can cut with it but this isnt its primary function/ fat burning.

I have a friend who used Vector, Follidrone, Viron, Exotherm stack for his contest prep and won his comp. So it works very well as long as you put the work in.
 
brundel said:
AIs kill libido for pretty much everyone who doesnt have elevated estrogen levels. They are good for those people and, or, for like the last 4 weeks of a stack cycle to dry everything out. But youll still have to tolerate the sides like low libido.
Not so with Vector.
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Thanks as ever, Brundel (re the GDA clarification) .
This AI/low libido explains a lot. Mine has been on the floor the last few weeks and I'm normally like Michael Douglas. So I think I'll swerve the Nolvadren Xt for a bit and give Vector a solo run, maybe with some Laxogenin.
 
Malbranque said:
Thanks as ever, Brundel (re the GDA clarification) .
This AI/low libido explains a lot. Mine has been on the floor the last few weeks and I'm normally like Michael Douglas. So I think I'll swerve the Nolvadren Xt for a bit and give Vector a solo run, maybe with some Laxogenin.
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Yah bro, I like AIs and they have their place but people need to understand that strong AI supplements have side effects and need to be used short term.
Every time I start one my libido goes through the roof for like 3 days and then dumps until I have stopped for a few weeks.
Vector, maybe some laxo.....sounds like a great stack.
0 Sides. Solid gain potential.
 
Ive been meaning to ask you guys.
We are going to do some videos soon. Interviews, talking about products, formulation, the future of the brand etc.
Is there anything you guys would like to hear?
Anything you think I should cover?

Let me know.
 
brundel said:
Ive been meaning to ask you guys.
We are going to do some videos soon. Interviews, talking about products, formulation, the future of the brand etc.
Is there anything you guys would like to hear?
Anything you think I should cover?

Let me know.
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I’m curious on how you guys choose your ingredients. I think that could be a worthwhile video. Epi, first off I guess was a product brought to the market in a product that wasn’t so great. Then you guys had made your own, then went even further and made it better adding in ecklonia cava. Both of which Follidrone 2 is like the platinum standard product of these ingredients. How’d you guys figure there was still so much untapped potential. I still look at your guy’s supplements and wouldn’t think I’d have ever seen this anywhere. You guys just simply don’t try anything that has any bit of positive evidence to back up and add it to a supplement. But very particular ingredients that...idk just don’t work but go above and beyond the others.
 
brundel said:
Yah bro, I like AIs and they have their place but people need to understand that strong AI supplements have side effects and need to be used short term.
Every time I start one my libido goes through the roof for like 3 days and then dumps until I have stopped for a few weeks.
Vector, maybe some laxo.....sounds like a great stack.
0 Sides. Solid gain potential.
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I agree this totally rings true for me. First couple days through the roof then flatline. I have found that supplementing with boron helps offset this problem.
 
Reviews so far on strong supps have all been great, i am on my last month, tub of FD2 and will probably use some of this in the winter, after having a break from FD2.
 
paul56778 said:
Anyone done 50% or double dosing yet, Danes how have you been finding it?
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After 7 days with diarrhea, I found it was best to drop Vector. I see some of other guys experienced same issue but most of people dont . :) people should try even doubledosing it. It may give even better effect (I am not saying it is needed but why not try)
 
I may recommend something like this:

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It also has prebiotics that would serve well to feed your good gut bacteria.

Getting some of this, as I have had, lets' say the opposite of you with Keto.
It added an interesting dimension to my cut.
 
Rockzilla said:
I’m curious on how you guys choose your ingredients. I think that could be a worthwhile video. Epi, first off I guess was a product brought to the market in a product that wasn’t so great. Then you guys had made your own, then went even further and made it better adding in ecklonia cava. Both of which Follidrone 2 is like the platinum standard product of these ingredients. How’d you guys figure there was still so much untapped potential. I still look at your guy’s supplements and wouldn’t think I’d have ever seen this anywhere. You guys just simply don’t try anything that has any bit of positive evidence to back up and add it to a supplement. But very particular ingredients that...idk just don’t work but go above and beyond the others.
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This is a good one. Thanks man.
Of course I can only reveal so much as I don't want to give up trade secrets but I can show some of the process and testing etc.
Good suggestion
 
paul56778 said:
Reviews so far on strong supps have all been great, i am on my last month, tub of FD2 and will probably use some of this in the winter, after having a break from FD2.
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You havnt used vector yet?!?!?
This is like blasphemy. How is this possible?!?!
Bro.... Get on this one. It's like nothing else I've ever taken. You will honestly be surprised.
 
a buddy of mine whos not on the board going to be transitioning into an offseason after just finishing up natty comp season. He wants to hit the ground running and make up for time lost in prep and keep body comp as good as possible through the rebound (whatever he can naturally) He ran FD1 years ago, but is asking me: FD2 solo, or FD2 + Vector?

He has not used either FD2 or Vector, but already has a few months of FD2 on hand. He is wondering run FD2, and add Vector later or leaving gains on the table by not running both. I didn't know how to advise, especially his post-contest state being probably not the normal use of these products in here.

He is 35, no labs yet, but test levels are prob pretty low.

Thanks, gents
 
Darkhorse192 said:
a buddy of mine whos not on the board going to be transitioning into an offseason after just finishing up natty comp season. He wants to hit the ground running and make up for time lost in prep and keep body comp as good as possible through the rebound (whatever he can naturally) He ran FD1 years ago, but is asking me: FD2 solo, or FD2 + Vector?

He has not used either FD2 or Vector, but already has a few months of FD2 on hand. He is wondering run FD2, and add Vector later or leaving gains on the table by not running both. I didn't know how to advise, especially his post-contest state being probably not the normal use of these products in here.

He is 35, no labs yet, but test levels are prob pretty low.

Thanks, gents
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So F2 seems like a definite. If he WANTS to run both I’d say definitely do it. But stagger them. Run Follidrone first for 4 weeks so he can know what it does for him. Add vector then.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
a buddy of mine whos not on the board going to be transitioning into an offseason after just finishing up natty comp season. He wants to hit the ground running and make up for time lost in prep and keep body comp as good as possible through the rebound (whatever he can naturally) He ran FD1 years ago, but is asking me: FD2 solo, or FD2 + Vector?

He has not used either FD2 or Vector, but already has a few months of FD2 on hand. He is wondering run FD2, and add Vector later or leaving gains on the table by not running both. I didn't know how to advise, especially his post-contest state being probably not the normal use of these products in here.

He is 35, no labs yet, but test levels are prob pretty low.

Thanks, gents
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A Lot of guys have posted on running both. I would think that would be up to how much he wants to spend.
 
Darkhorse192 said:
a buddy of mine whos not on the board going to be transitioning into an offseason after just finishing up natty comp season. He wants to hit the ground running and make up for time lost in prep and keep body comp as good as possible through the rebound (whatever he can naturally) He ran FD1 years ago, but is asking me: FD2 solo, or FD2 + Vector?

He has not used either FD2 or Vector, but already has a few months of FD2 on hand. He is wondering run FD2, and add Vector later or leaving gains on the table by not running both. I didn't know how to advise, especially his post-contest state being probably not the normal use of these products in here.

He is 35, no labs yet, but test levels are prob pretty low.

Thanks, gents
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I would suggest running both.
Take full advantage of the rebound. Eat a ton but utilize FD and V to increase protein synthesis while keeping fat at bay.
Also Vector can take advantage of Follidrones absorption enhancement package which will increase uptake of several of its key constituents.
Its just such a good stack......
I run these 2 and Viron pretty much non stop currrently.
 
I am now in week 10 and I think that I finally reached the point where the strength gains are not increasing any more. It is also my second order, so maybe the batch is not the same.

I am wondering whether I should stop, take a break and restart Vector again (I have like 1 1/2 bottles left). Might be the better choice?
 
mbonheur said:
I am now in week 10 and I think that I finally reached the point where the strength gains are not increasing any more. It is also my second order, so maybe the batch is not the same.

I am wondering whether I should stop, take a break and restart Vector again (I have like 1 1/2 bottles left). Might be the better choice?
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I should hardly think it is a batch issue, rather what might be good is a one week deload. What programming are you running? I was thinking of going 12 then 1-2 week deload myself, but if you are at this point, it might be a nice time to do just that. It's great to see your strength increasing over 10 weeks!
 
brundel said:
I would suggest running both.
Take full advantage of the rebound. Eat a ton but utilize FD and V to increase protein synthesis while keeping fat at bay.
Also Vector can take advantage of Follidrones absorption enhancement package which will increase uptake of several of its key constituents.
Its just such a good stack......
I run these 2 and Viron pretty much non stop currrently.
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Yes sir! This exact stack is what I’ve been running for the past few months. Great progress with my lifts and better endurance as well!
 
That stack means your serious about business!!!
 
mbonheur said:
I am now in week 10 and I think that I finally reached the point where the strength gains are not increasing any more. It is also my second order, so maybe the batch is not the same.

I am wondering whether I should stop, take a break and restart Vector again (I have like 1 1/2 bottles left). Might be the better choice?
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So you have to remember a few things.
No anabolic is a magic pill. Some will fill you with glycogen and water and youll continue to gain weight but will deflate upon cessation.
IN this case we are talking about real actual muscle tissue so lets look at it from a strictly science/math position.
The products will increase protein synthesis, glucose uptake, anabolic factors, recovery, increase fat burning etc.
But this doesnt mean you rely on the product to do all the work. Not at all.

Lets say your goal is to gain muscle mass.
Your currently stalled.
Start adding more calories. Up cals by 500 daily from protein and fat.
If you can no longer make progress on the exercises you are performing change exercises to ones you can make progress on.
You cant make more muscle without more food. period.
You cant get stronger without progressively increasing weight and reps.
Its that simple.

Start eating more.
Increase reps and weight on lifts. If you have too do rest pauses.
So pick a weight you fail at 10 reps. Perform 10, rack and take 10 breaths.UNrack and go to fail. Rack, take 10 breaths and go again till fail.
This is a rest pause set.
Great for breaking through plateaus. Every week you add another rep or you increase the weight when you can get 20 total reps.
 
brundel said:
So you have to remember a few things.
No anabolic is a magic pill. Some will fill you with glycogen and water and youll continue to gain weight but will deflate upon cessation.
IN this case we are talking about real actual muscle tissue so lets look at it from a strictly science/math position.
The products will increase protein synthesis, glucose uptake, anabolic factors, recovery, increase fat burning etc.
But this doesnt mean you rely on the product to do all the work. Not at all.

Lets say your goal is to gain muscle mass.
Your currently stalled.
Start adding more calories. Up cals by 500 daily from protein and fat.
If you can no longer make progress on the exercises you are performing change exercises to ones you can make progress on.
You cant make more muscle without more food. period.
You cant get stronger without progressively increasing weight and reps.
Its that simple.

Start eating more.
Increase reps and weight on lifts. If you have too do rest pauses.
So pick a weight you fail at 10 reps. Perform 10, rack and take 10 breaths.UNrack and go to fail. Rack, take 10 breaths and go again till fail.
This is a rest pause set.
Great for breaking through plateaus. Every week you add another rep or you increase the weight when you can get 20 total reps.
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This, rest pause sets worked wonders for me, and a good program with them is DogCrapp.
 
brundel said:
So you have to remember a few things.
No anabolic is a magic pill. Some will fill you with glycogen and water and youll continue to gain weight but will deflate upon cessation.
IN this case we are talking about real actual muscle tissue so lets look at it from a strictly science/math position.
The products will increase protein synthesis, glucose uptake, anabolic factors, recovery, increase fat burning etc.
But this doesnt mean you rely on the product to do all the work. Not at all.

Lets say your goal is to gain muscle mass.
Your currently stalled.
Start adding more calories. Up cals by 500 daily from protein and fat.
If you can no longer make progress on the exercises you are performing change exercises to ones you can make progress on.
You cant make more muscle without more food. period.
You cant get stronger without progressively increasing weight and reps.
Its that simple.

Start eating more.
Increase reps and weight on lifts. If you have too do rest pauses.
So pick a weight you fail at 10 reps. Perform 10, rack and take 10 breaths.UNrack and go to fail. Rack, take 10 breaths and go again till fail.
This is a rest pause set.
Great for breaking through plateaus. Every week you add another rep or you increase the weight when you can get 20 total reps.
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Thanks for the hints. Just would like to add that I am training for over ten years and do regularly local powerlifting meets. I am not exactly new to natty anabolics either and to be honest, I think that it is rather normal that effects of Vector reach a point at which it is better to take a break. Normally, people suggest for other natty anabolics to cycle as well, so I thought that it would also apply in this case.

Anyway, I think I will take a break and restart Vector some time after.
 
I ordered Vector the 16th. It shipped the 17th and I received it the 19th! And im in NY! Some things I have already started to notice from being on Vector for a few days now :


1. Endurance increases
2. Better moods
3. Better sleep, which im very happy with because I usually have to take melatonin and dont anymore! And I remember a few people saying it disrupted sleep. So far not me thank god.
4. Feeling like I can keep eating.
5. Possibly relieved some GI constipation. This could also be that I stopped a medication I was on. But it was also the same time I started Vector so anythings possible!

I am so far very pleased with Vector! Im just curious as to with Vector is having cheat meals once and a while slightly more acceptable? I kind of get that feeling because ive had one or two recently and dont feel nearly as bloated as cheat meals normally make me. Sorry if that doesnt make sense lol.
 
mbonheur said:
Thanks for the hints. Just would like to add that I am training for over ten years and do regularly local powerlifting meets. I am not exactly new to natty anabolics either and to be honest, I think that it is rather normal that effects of Vector reach a point at which it is better to take a break. Normally, people suggest for other natty anabolics to cycle as well, so I thought that it would also apply in this case.

Anyway, I think I will take a break and restart Vector some time after.
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No reason you cant cycle but remember one of the primary reason people cycle steroids is HPTA suppression and the hope of recovery.
Once guys go on HRT and are still active they generally stay on some form of ON cycle. They may cycle between compounds and dosing but most of the competitive guys I know are always ON.
IN this case there is no suppression and I dont know of any reason the effects would diminish. Like Follidrone which we dont suggest OFF cycles and dozens of guys in this thread are on full time year round.
100% of the original test subjects are still going and continue to hit me up for more.
I think you should do whatever works best for you though-

Ill be interested to see how things go for you after a break.
 
Ussoccer23 said:
I ordered Vector the 16th. It shipped the 17th and I received it the 19th! And im in NY! Some things I have already started to notice from being on Vector for a few days now :


1. Endurance increases
2. Better moods
3. Better sleep, which im very happy with because I usually have to take melatonin and dont anymore! And I remember a few people saying it disrupted sleep. So far not me thank god.
4. Feeling like I can keep eating.
5. Possibly relieved some GI constipation. This could also be that I stopped a medication I was on. But it was also the same time I started Vector so anythings possible!

I am so far very pleased with Vector! Im just curious as to with Vector is having cheat meals once and a while slightly more acceptable? I kind of get that feeling because ive had one or two recently and dont feel nearly as bloated as cheat meals normally make me. Sorry if that doesnt make sense lol.
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It for sure seems to allow for looser eating. Ive been eating alot of chocolate and other sugary items which would normally effect me pretty quick.
Thus far it seems to just keep me full throughout the day with little fat gain. That alone is worth taking it for me. ;)
 
I just look at "What's new / New Posts" when a thread fails to deliver a notification.

That being said, I also popped in to update my private logging of Vector / Follidrone 2.0 into weeks 7/8 and my first week of Ketogenics. I'm fascinated now with Ketogenics and how it can be used more successfully with Vector / Follidrone 2.0 for a recomp. Since starting I've dropped 10 pounds from 245, to 235 and the mirror shows a still fuller physique. I'm keeping my muscle, and more so, as stated before, gaining muscle in my legs. That quad is popping and gaining some definition.

I've gleaned from research, how anti-inflammatories help when your in keto, and the energy derivation switching from carbs to fats is also going to help me retain muscle in this cut. It's kind of phenomenal to experience. Knowing my body is now being used as a tool to keep muscle in a caloric deficit, and Vector is helping me gain muscle.

Snack
Making bacon wrapped chilies with cream cheese stuffing... :)

Prepping Caveman Platter (Meat Porn, Lamb & Steak with Bacon and Mushrooms)

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justhere4comm said:
I just look at "What's new / New Posts" when a thread fails to deliver a notification.

That being said, I also popped in to update my private logging of Vector / Follidrone 2.0 into weeks 7/8 and my first week of Ketogenics. I'm fascinated now with Ketogenics and how it can be used more successfully with Vector / Follidrone 2.0 for a recomp. Since starting I've dropped 10 pounds from 245, to 235 and the mirror shows a still fuller physique. I'm keeping my muscle, and more so, as stated before, gaining muscle in my legs. That quad is popping and gaining some definition.

I've gleaned from research, how anti-inflammatories help when your in keto, and the energy derivation switching from carbs to fats is also going to help me retain muscle in this cut. It's kind of phenomenal to experience. Knowing my body is now being used as a tool to keep muscle in a caloric deficit, and Vector is helping me gain muscle.

Snack
Making bacon wrapped chilies with cream cheese stuffing... :)

Prepping Caveman Platter (Meat Porn, Lamb & Steak with Bacon and Mushrooms)

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This makes me want to revisit keto, I'm just afraid of loosing muscle because I did the first time I ran it. Maybe when I'm done bulking I'll give it another go.
 
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