VECTOR pre release leaks and info

Today was the strongest I have felt in the gym in over two years! I didn’t try for any PRs but everything felt extremely lite and was adding extra reps to most of my sets!
 
I felt the same the other day, weights moving effortlessly and so focused like I was on a mission
 
ELROCK said:
Yeah it’s such a great feeling when you are adding weight and reps to your lifts and it feels easy ha!
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yes it is! back in the day I used to get natadrol and high dose it.. you never really put on any mass (directly) from it, but you would get nice and strong!!
this looks to be much the same + size or fatloss~~ awesome!!
 
brundel said:
That should work.
I do think she should run full dose if possible though. We want the percentage of certain constituents to be high. Vector is like a symphony of anabolic chemicals. Interested to see what she thinks.
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Gotcha. Today she is doing 3/3. I’ll report her results!
 
Day 4 on vector
Loving the energised feeling

Feel like I need to train all the time

And train aggressively at that
 
Agree increased motivation and feel good mood. Been 2 or 3 weeks with strength increase and pump increased. Not sure if I would pick over fd2 yet but would love to stack those for 6-12 months. Can't imagine anything better, need a sponsorship. LOL. So far great work Brundel!
 
brundel said:
This alone is a huge benefit. Just the motivation to get in there and crush it right?
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Yeah, the other day the motivation was pretty intense had to go train back and arms

Had a great session mind/muscle pumps and heavy ass weight


Great job bro
 
Thank you.

Ive always been a fan of performance enhancing supplements. This one is special.
I appreciate the good words and Im always stoked to hear you guys talking about the positive benefits.
Looking forward to seeing some of these longer Vector and combo cycles progress ;)
 
Stanfoo said:
Dosing Q- is it preferred to take it on an empty stomach or after a meal? Does one or the either affect efficacy?
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It shouldn’t really matter but if you take it on an empty stomach and it bothers you, just have something to eat.
 
Would vector treat someone well doing 3x full body a week? Or should I hike up my workouts a week? Rock a PPL 6 times a week.
 
Anyone else getting headaches? My wife has had 2 3-cap doses so far and got a headache after both. I’ll conti to report, just wondering if anyone else experienced this. I’m backing her down to 2 twice a day for a few days before going back to 3 twice a day.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Anyone else getting headaches? My wife has had 2 3-cap doses so far and got a headache after both. I’ll conti to report, just wondering if anyone else experienced this. I’m backing her down to 2 twice a day for a few days before going back to 3 twice a day.
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Headache is a symptom of hypoglycemia. Have her take with food.
Also Hydration. People have been mentioning increased urination.
 
GravyVampire said:
This. If the less potent extracts were working effectively for these 200+ lb. men, we can almost safely deduce 4 pills of the more potent extract would be more than enough for a female who only eats twice a day.

That being said, companies will always want you to use the full dosage bc anything under that = less of their product being used = less money for them.
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While I agree that many companies want you to use full doses so they can sell you more stuff I dont personally operate this way. Sort of insulting frankly.
I suggest the full dose because Vector is a finely tuned machine and in order to benefit from the full doses of each chemical constituent you need to take the full dose of the product.
For example Ive stated that there is approx 300-500mg ursolic acid. If you take 50% now its 150-250mg. Make sense? And this goes for all of the chemicals. So now everything is half dosed and many will fail to work at these doses which defeats the purpose.
Its not about trying to get someone to take a few days more product at a time. Its about product efficacy.
 
Okay so, quick question. I think brundel will be the only one who possibly knows. I take 10mg of piperine once per day. Should I worry about timing it with a dose of Vector? Will piperine excert any bioavailability improvements on any of Vector's ingredients?
 
King_Gainz said:
Okay so, quick question. I think brundel will be the only one who possibly knows. I take 10mg of piperine once per day. Should I worry about timing it with a dose of Vector? Will piperine excert any bioavailability improvements on any of Vector's ingredients?
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It will yes. Some of the chemicals will see improved absorption.
This also goes for taking vector with Follidrone. You will absorb more of the epicatechin in Vector for example.
 
brundel said:
While I agree that many companies want you to use full doses so they can sell you more stuff I dont personally operate this way. Sort of insulting frankly.
I suggest the full dose because Vector is a finely tuned machine and in order to benefit from the full doses of each chemical constituent you need to take the full dose of the product.
For example Ive stated that there is approx 300-500mg ursolic acid. If you take 50% now its 150-250mg. Make sense? And this goes for all of the chemicals. So now everything is half dosed and many will fail to work at these doses which defeats the purpose.
Its not about trying to get someone to take a few days more product at a time. Its about product efficacy.
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For lethal doses of various chemicals, the LD50 is stated in mg/kg. Is there any reason that the same logic wouldn't apply for effective doses of herbal extracts and chemicals? For instance, my daughter's children's Tylenol has dosing instructions based on the weight of the child, where a smaller child needs less Tylenol for an effective dose, and a heavier child would drink a larger amount of the solution. I find myself struggling to understand why the necessary effective dose of anything for a 100 lb woman would be the same for a 200 lb man.
 
GravyVampire said:
Agreed. In theory, you want everyone taking a maximum threshold, but there is no conclusive evidence for mg / max threshold of this product, meaning I’d tread carefully advising everyone to take the same dose.

For instance, I eat 200+ grams of protein to help myself grow and recover. My gf only eats around 100g which is an effective dose for her to grow and recover. I take 1-2 scoops of my preworkout; she takes .5 scoops. I need a lot more alcohol than she does to get drunk. If she were to run a PH cycle, she wouldn’t think twice about dosing the same mg as me. Etc. etc... I think we need to be careful using “effective dose” as this blanket statement, especially with something so new and under-studied.
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To make it very simple and short.
Maybe your girl need higher dose of VECTOR than you (even she is much smaller). Why ?
1. Higher levels of CYP P450 enzymes (Such as CYP3A4 etc).
2. High production of gastric acid

Those two are just some of few things which can make huge difference.
 
GravyVampire said:
Do we even know what may interact with the ingredients in Vector to induce or inhibit the activity of CYP, or if the ingredients themselves have any effect on one another? Generally curious. I don’t know if you know these specific effects (regarding Vector), or if you’re just throwing out something arbitrary and possibly uncorrelated. I can say women need more sleep and calcium than men too, though I wouldn’t say they’re interconnected...
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You are overcomplicating things.
Like I said, in adults, the weight is not the main key for dosing herbs/plants.

Conclution:
Your girl does not need half the dose of Vector. She can run full dose
 
GravyVampire said:
Do we even know what may interact with the ingredients in Vector to induce or inhibit the activity of CYP, or if the ingredients themselves have any effect on one another? Generally curious. I don’t know if you know these specific effects (regarding Vector), or if you’re just throwing out something arbitrary and possibly uncorrelated. I can say women need more sleep and calcium than men too, though I wouldn’t say they’re interconnected...
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I appreciate your curiosity but this is not solely specific to Vector so I’m not sure why it needs to be analyzed here when the recommended dosing is clearly stated on the bottle. Dosing like this is how 99 percent of supplements are dosed and how most oral medications are dosed as well, for reasons that are explained in pharmacokinetic/pharmacodynamic textbooks.
 
GravyVampire said:
Of course she can, but I think the question remains “is it necessary?” FWIW, I’m completely fine if we’re just going off of an assumption, but also realize it’s one thing to assume; another thing to state it conclusively.

In this case, your assumption is that 6 pills/ day is necessary for full efficacy, while someone else may assume 4 pills/day is sufficient based on all of the aforementioned examples...
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You are misunderstanding me totaly.
You are questioning if she need full dose at all.
But like I said, maybe she need more than recommend dose due to ultra high CYP enzymes, gastric acid etc whch mess with absorption/bioavailability.
Smaller people automatically think they need less due to weight etc.

With those plant compounds its not like "hey for me 3 caps is enough".
My question is WHAT is enough and how do you know it is enough?
With my own experience and knowledge with/of plant steroids ++++ (and even testing on other people many years).one thing is for sure, in most cases more is actually better. Why?
Due to absorption,adsorption, solubility, bioavailability etc of those plant/herb conpounds.

This means your girl.would experience better results taking 6 caps of Vector than let say 3.
In this case, it is better to take recommended dose than less.(even for girls). I have seen so many examples where people call a compound crap (because it did nothing). But after recommending them higher dose, the effect was totaly different.
 
GravyVampire said:
I guess time will tell. She wants to gradually increase it to 5/day maaaybe 6/day (prob unlikely). Her problem is she runs a lot, and absolutely hated the lightheaded/ sick (hypo?) feeling she experienced during her first run on it. There’s only so many carbs/cals she’s willing to eat to offset that. She’s not looking to gain weight, just improve endurance.
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Totaly understand and.its not.bad idea to gradually increase the dose.
But honestly, I dont think Vector is the right supplement for her if her goal is just to improve the endurance. Follidrone would absolutely be better choice for that purpose
 
GravyVampire said:
I guess time will tell. She wants to gradually increase it to 5/day maaaybe 6/day (prob unlikely). Her problem is she runs a lot, and absolutely hated the lightheaded/ sick (hypo?) feeling she experienced during her first run on it. There’s only so many carbs/cals she’s willing to eat to offset that. She’s not looking to gain weight, just improve endurance.
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Sounds to me as though FD2 would be better suited for your GF and her goals..
 
max silver said:
For lethal doses of various chemicals, the LD50 is stated in mg/kg. Is there any reason that the same logic wouldn't apply for effective doses of herbal extracts and chemicals? For instance, my daughter's children's Tylenol has dosing instructions based on the weight of the child, where a smaller child needs less Tylenol for an effective dose, and a heavier child would drink a larger amount of the solution. I find myself struggling to understand why the necessary effective dose of anything for a 100 lb woman would be the same for a 200 lb man.
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Well we are not talking about LD50 so not sure where that comes in here or why it was mentioned. Because you wouldnt even want to take a 10th of the LD50. So not relevant? I do understand where you are going but lets try to be clear for those reading.
And yes a child would take less tylenol than an adult because until they are over maybe 5-6 they weigh about 30lbs ish right. (estimate) and tylenol can kill you at very low relative doses. For example a half a bottle of tylenol would kill a large percent of people from liver failure. Especially those who are already unhealthy.
But his wife isnt a child. If you read your tylenol bottle it probably doesnt say for smaller adults dose as follows.

Also maybe his wife weights 100lbs but this wasnt stated.
But regardless there are perimeters within which we would expect effective doses to remain. Often this isnt based upon bodyweight. With some things weight is a factor. With some its not.
For example some things act on neurotransmitters and in this case bodyweight isnt really a factor.
Some things act on the GI tract
Some things effect glucose
And this list can go ON and ON and ON.

Because I cant tell you for each one of the dozens of chemicals that are active in Vector that 1 will work at 50% I can tell you that some will not work well at 50%.
As such. 100% is likely the best option.

Feel free to take less.
I dont suggest it for best results.
 
Because she is experiencing headache though I would reassess.
Start looking at why.
Doesn't hurt to lower dose and work up.
But ultimately I'd like to eliminate the.cause if possible.
I think it's probably glucose and hydration related.
Back off on dose for 48 hours.
Raise h2o intake to 1gal.
Raise overall carbs 30% with some fast carbs around vector dosing.
 
GravyVampire said:
I disagree. Purely based on studies of the ingredients, Vector seems much more promising for long-distance runners in regards to: Endurance benefits of KME, muscle preserving effect of EJE and EPO potential of Rehmannaie Radix.
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Well I hope things turn around for her and/or she is able to adjust her diet as it does not sound like she is currently showing signs of enjoying any of those benefits. FD2 would be a great alternative that she would more than likely fall in love with..
 
GravyVampire said:
I disagree. Purely based on studies of the ingredients, Vector seems much more promising for long-distance runners in regards to: Endurance benefits of KME, muscle preserving effect of EJE and EPO potential of Rehmannaie Radix.
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I think he meant FD2 would be better choice due to sides from Vector at full dose.
 
brundel said:
Because she is experiencing headache though I would reassess.
Start looking at why.
Doesn't hurt to lower dose and work up.
But ultimately I'd like to eliminate the.cause if possible.
I think it's probably glucose and hydration related.
Back off on dose for 48 hours.
Raise h2o intake to 1gal.
Raise overall carbs 30% with some fast carbs around vector dosing.
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I agree with this assessment totally. I take both Vector and FD2 with carbs, and they both have proven to help your body utilize the carbs more effectively. No extra fat, just muscle, and actually lose fat.
 
brundel said:
Because she is experiencing headache though I would reassess.
Start looking at why.
Doesn't hurt to lower dose and work up.
But ultimately I'd like to eliminate the.cause if possible.
I think it's probably glucose and hydration related.
Back off on dose for 48 hours.
Raise h2o intake to 1gal.
Raise overall carbs 30% with some fast carbs around vector dosing.
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The headaches after dosing got worse yesterday so she is stopping for a couple days and will begin again when they clear. I’m pretty sure she’s eating plenty of carbs, at least she did for 2 of the doses, but maybe the water wasn’t enough.
 
GreenMachineX said:
The headaches after dosing got worse yesterday so she is stopping for a couple days and will begin again when they clear. I’m pretty sure she’s eating plenty of carbs, at least she did for 2 of the doses, but maybe the water wasn’t enough.
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I might ask, does she suffer from migraines? (more susceptible) My wife is.

I would maybe suggest a magnesium / zinc supplement or strain magnesium. Many of us who are more readily susceptible to migraine have a lower amount of magnesium.

That, or also try C0Q 10 which in it's own right is a great supplement to take for many other beneficial reasons.
 
I have both good and bad news. Good news is that Vector really seemed to be kicking into full swing about 2 weeks in. Energy levels are great throughout the day, libido is increasing, and strength levels in workout were rocking full swing. For most exercises I like to work in the 8-12 rep range, with 5 sets total per exercise. I've been finding the last few workouts I've been adding 7-8 reps per exercise, which is right on par with the gains I was seeing during my recent LGD-4033 run. Unfortunately I suffered a setback yesterday. I suffer from tennis elbow in my left elbow, and it blew up on me yesterday while I was performing hammer curls. It was really sore all through last night and into today. I'll have to take a step back and rehab the elbow for the next while.

I'll likely continue with Vector for a few weeks at least depending on how the elbow responds. I fully intend to continue to work my good side with cable and dumbbell exercises to at least garner a training effect on the body parts that I can. I'm still on MK-677, so I'll continue that through my rehabilitation, and have some BPC-157 on the way as well.

I'll likely drop calories a tiny bit, but I don't know if I'll be able to drop much. I find that I can barely keep up with vector/FD 2.0/MK 677 as it is. I can eat a humongous dinner, and 3 hours later find myself getting tired due to need for more calories. I don't think that for myself vector and FD 2.0 will be viable for a cutting stack, as I really don't think I would be able to ingest enough calories to stave off hypoglycemia symptoms.
 
max silver said:
I have both good and bad news. Good news is that Vector really seemed to be kicking into full swing about 2 weeks in. Energy levels are great throughout the day, libido is increasing, and strength levels in workout were rocking full swing. For most exercises I like to work in the 8-12 rep range, with 5 sets total per exercise. I've been finding the last few workouts I've been adding 7-8 reps per exercise, which is right on par with the gains I was seeing during my recent LGD-4033 run. Unfortunately I suffered a setback yesterday. I suffer from tennis elbow in my left elbow, and it blew up on me yesterday while I was performing hammer curls. It was really sore all through last night and into today. I'll have to take a step back and rehab the elbow for the next while.

I'll likely continue with Vector for a few weeks at least depending on how the elbow responds. I fully intend to continue to work my good side with cable and dumbbell exercises to at least garner a training effect on the body parts that I can. I'm still on MK-677, so I'll continue that through my rehabilitation, and have some BPC-157 on the way as well.

I'll likely drop calories a tiny bit, but I don't know if I'll be able to drop much. I find that I can barely keep up with vector/FD 2.0/MK 677 as it is. I can eat a humongous dinner, and 3 hours later find myself getting tired due to need for more calories. I don't think that for myself vector and FD 2.0 will be viable for a cutting stack, as I really don't think I would be able to ingest enough calories to stave off hypoglycemia symptoms.
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Sorry to hear about the elbow, but BPC 157 is an amazing compound and could have you back within 2 to 3 weeks.
I have also been getting great results with Vector, and the strength is really coming on going into my third week. I have to be careful with my shoulders on heavy bench days, but warmups and stretches and all is good.
 
max silver said:
I have both good and bad news. Good news is that Vector really seemed to be kicking into full swing about 2 weeks in. Energy levels are great throughout the day, libido is increasing, and strength levels in workout were rocking full swing. For most exercises I like to work in the 8-12 rep range, with 5 sets total per exercise. I've been finding the last few workouts I've been adding 7-8 reps per exercise, which is right on par with the gains I was seeing during my recent LGD-4033 run. Unfortunately I suffered a setback yesterday. I suffer from tennis elbow in my left elbow, and it blew up on me yesterday while I was performing hammer curls. It was really sore all through last night and into today. I'll have to take a step back and rehab the elbow for the next while.

I'll likely continue with Vector for a few weeks at least depending on how the elbow responds. I fully intend to continue to work my good side with cable and dumbbell exercises to at least garner a training effect on the body parts that I can. I'm still on MK-677, so I'll continue that through my rehabilitation, and have some BPC-157 on the way as well.

I'll likely drop calories a tiny bit, but I don't know if I'll be able to drop much. I find that I can barely keep up with vector/FD 2.0/MK 677 as it is. I can eat a humongous dinner, and 3 hours later find myself getting tired due to need for more calories. I don't think that for myself vector and FD 2.0 will be viable for a cutting stack, as I really don't think I would be able to ingest enough calories to stave off hypoglycemia symptoms.
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Sorry to hear this. BPC157 should help though.
I also have had good experiences with MSM. 6g daily. Keep in mind it can cause anxiety for some. Gave me a wicked panic attack once ;)
 
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