VECTOR pre release leaks and info

I don't plan on going through all the pages again, lol so Studhorse how was diet? We're you in surplus, under, or maintaining. I'm not quite sure what I want to do, but think I'll eat a clean surplus for my first 8 week run even though it's leaning season. #permabulk
 
coltonwalker said:
I don't plan on going through all the pages again, lol so Studhorse how was diet? We're you in surplus, under, or maintaining. I'm not quite sure what I want to do, but think I'll eat a clean surplus for my first 8 week run even though it's leaning season. #permabulk
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Avg. 287 cals. over maintenance for the first 45 days. Protein Averaged 221g a day.
Last 9 days 115 under. (I don't have much will power when it comes to hunger)

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Studhorse said:
Avg. 287 cals. over maintenance for the first 45 days. Protein Averaged 221g a day.
Last 9 days 115 under. (I don't have much will power when it comes to hunger)

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While you definitely look bigger I can’t tell if it’s because each picture is a little closer to the camera lol
 
Creatine and ara are the best natty supps ever hope this can be placed in its category, people complain of those two maybe this once can produce the results with out any sides or non responders only way it’s a game changer!
 
Just got home from work, and had my
3 tubs waiting on me.....Great customer service......Ready to start testing this out.
 
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Vector just arrived... and I’m going to be that guy. While I’ve been very excited to try this product, the lack of care and professionalism on the label is concerning. When I’m putting a supplement into my body, I’m trusting that company is making every effort to mastering that product before it hits the shelves - and shotty and lackluster labeling is everything but that.

As soon as I opened my package, I noticed the the “Build Muscle Mass” is off alignment from “Burn Fat” and “Increase endurance”. Also, why is the “e” in “endurance” not capitalized when the other words are? Then, just read the description. The amount of grammatical errors are mind boggling. I’m honestly a tad concerned to put this in my body now. This went through no vetting process and was rushed to the shelves to meet your deadline. I’m disappointed and will wait for some feedback amongst other users until I try it. It sucks because I bought 4 of these things. And please, AM community, do not tell me I’m overreacting. I would call out any company on this. It reeks of amateurism and carelessness. I want this product to be gold. I want to believe in it - but, at this moment, I just can’t.

Hell in the future, contact me to do the write-ups for you. I’m in grad school now doing research papers on chemicals and exercises. Provide me the peer-reviewed studies, and I’ll do the summarization. Just, please, put it through some type of vetting process. Good luck y’all.
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If you are going to pick on someone else's grammar you might want to consider ensuring your own is perfect. Shotty? I can only assume you mean shoddy? A person that goes on a rant about writing ability and ends it with y'all may not be the most qualified to write a technical write-up. And there are numerous other grammatical errors in your post as well. Some typos on a label can certainly be easily rectified in future shipments.
 
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Vector just arrived... and I’m going to be that guy. While I’ve been very excited to try this product, the lack of care and professionalism on the label is concerning. When I’m putting a supplement into my body, I’m trusting that company is making every effort to mastering that product before it hits the shelves - and shotty and lackluster labeling is everything but that.

As soon as I opened my package, I noticed the the “Build Muscle Mass” is off alignment from “Burn Fat” and “Increase endurance”. Also, why is the “e” in “endurance” not capitalized when the other words are? Then, just read the description. The amount of grammatical errors are mind boggling. I’m honestly a tad concerned to put this in my body now. This went through no vetting process and was rushed to the shelves to meet your deadline. I’m disappointed and will wait for some feedback amongst other users until I try it. It sucks because I bought 4 of these things. And please, AM community, do not tell me I’m overreacting. I would call out any company on this. It reeks of amateurism and carelessness. I want this product to be gold. I want to believe in it - but, at this moment, I just can’t.

Hell in the future, contact me to do the write-ups for you. I’m in grad school now doing research papers on chemicals and exercises. Provide me the peer-reviewed studies, and I’ll do the summarization. Just, please, put it through some type of vetting process. Good luck y’all.
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I agree with you completely. This was the first thing I thought when I just opened my package from strong.
 
Knowing the quality BLR puts out as well as all of the time and effort put into researching/testing the ingredients is enough for me to trust their products!
 
GravyVampire said:
Dude, you cannot look at that label and pretend you’re not bothered by it. You’d be remiss to think that’s solid branding. It’s riddled with grammar errors, and it’s only a few sentences long. I typed up a short novel on a frickin forum without proofreading bc I’m in a rush. I’m sorry shotty and shoddy slipped by me, but I literally do research papers as part of my career. So please, don’t nitpick with me. I’m not publishing my forum posts to the world. BLR went through no vetting process. That’s my concern. Not my grammar. Not your grammar. Not anyone else’s on here. They literally spent a nickel on that graphic design and had someone with an 8th grade reading level write up their description. It’s concerning. I bought a product and have legitimate concern about the care that went into it. Don’t attack me for being troubled by this.
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I guess we just have different takes on the label. I simply view it as being a bit rushed to get the product to market as soon as possible, seeing as how most of us in this thread seem to be a bunch of supplement junkies waiting for our fix. I feel that the amount of attention that went into this product are obvious from the information that has been provided to us by Brundel, and given my past personal success with several of his products have no qualms with forgiving a few minor (to me anyways) grammatical errors.
 
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If you are going to pick on someone else's grammar you might want to consider ensuring your own is perfect. Shotty? I can only assume you mean shoddy? A person that goes on a rant about writing ability and ends it with y'all may not be the most qualified to write a technical write-up. And there are numerous other grammatical errors in your post as well. Some typos on a label can certainly be easily rectified in future shipments.
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I'm not taking sides on the issue, but I don't see a reason to attack him. He has a valid concern. There is a huge difference between making a quick post on your phone on a bb forum vs. making sure your grammer is correct on a products label. If I saw a label like this at the vitamin shoppe, I would have the same concerns. Can't we ever have a discussion in here without automatically trying to shut someone down?
 
I respect his opinion.

That said.
He can easily put his "four" tubs up on auction here and they wouldn’t last but an hour.
 
I would say that grammar errors were just because they rushed production to get it out to the vultures waiting. I'm still gon take teh vectar win it gits hur
 
GravyVampire said:
I’ll be honest, I have 4 bottles - so I’ll most likely try it at some point, albeit hesitantly. I just cringe every time I look at the bottle. My girlfriend, a graphic designer, has been in my ear to “send it back” because she’s that appalled by it. “Is this a real company?” was her quote to me haha... I think way too many of you would drink poison as long as a few reps on here gave you “their word” that it works... so I’m more here for the few rational people who may find my concerns useful.
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Bro the label means nothing. Its the product inside that matters. So just give it a shot, and give an HONEST review of it
 
I agree that looking at the label,a bit more of care with those details would be expected..

However,can’t judge the quality of the product based on that.. I’m sure will be one other great product from BLR!

But in regards to the label, I’m sure was rushed and even I’m sure brundle will recognize that and correct it
 
The Express 42 said:
While you definitely look bigger I can’t tell if it’s because each picture is a little closer to the camera lol
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Honestly no disrespect to the model. I’m sure he trains very hard. But if your promoting something that is gonna rock our world. Im not sold on his physique after taking this supplement. How many testers were there and if it’s that effective where are their pics for comparison. Would love to see different age groups. I’ll back off. Spelling on the label should be critical of a company. I know my grammar and spelling isn’t perfect but I’m not selling the promise pill. Would you take a prescription drug to help prolong your life and noticed it was spelled wrong ?? How foolish can one be? Yes, I know the reputation of black lion. Not here to bash or discredit. But definitely odd and suspicious. Make you own decisions.
 
GravyVampire said:
Thank you for being a voice of reason here. I feel insane whenever I raise an honest concern, and all I’m hit with are the mob of apologists.
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I’m always the voice of reason. It’s been my job for quite some time. I’ve used BLR for many many years. I’ve had good experiences with most of their products. Also I’ve used everybody else’s. Had many positive experiences and negative experiences. Common goal is what you put into it is what you get out of it. So most people before they bitch and complain about something are they truly giving it 100%?? Will see.
 
GravyVampire said:
Thank you for being a voice of reason here. I feel insane whenever I raise an honest concern, and all I’m hit with are the mob of apologists.
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Don’t worry about the beat up gang. They will always defend first. Fight till death. Eventually they dry up and blow away till the next best thing. Don’t take it personal. It’s just their way. It’s a good argument and a natural test booster.
 
GravyVampire said:
I’ll be honest, I have 4 bottles - so I’ll most likely try it at some point, albeit hesitantly. I just cringe every time I look at the bottle. My girlfriend, a graphic designer, has been in my ear to “send it back” because she’s that appalled by it. “Is this a real company?” was her quote to me haha... I think way too many of you would drink poison as long as a few reps on here gave you “their word” that it works... so I’m more here for the few rational people who may find my concerns useful.
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I know if my wife told me to return it I would. I’m also certain she would have looked past the label at the ingredients & studies behind them.

BLR’s products have proven themselves. If labels are what you’re after, there are plenty of companies who do them quite well.

Easy solution to your problem, sell them. Make sure your girl is cool with how much money you get for them.
 
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Honestly no disrespect to the model. I’m sure he trains very hard. But if your promoting something that is gonna rock our world. Im not sold on his physique after taking this supplement. How many testers were there and if it’s that effective where are their pics for comparison. Would love to see different age groups. I’ll back off. Spelling on the label should be critical of a company. I know my grammar and spelling isn’t perfect but I’m not selling the promise pill. Would you take a prescription drug to help prolong your life and noticed it was spelled wrong ?? How foolish can one be? Yes, I know the reputation of black lion. Not here to bash or discredit. But definitely odd and suspicious. Make you own decisions.
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Also, many “models” who juice to the gills & represent natural products. BLR should have hired someone on 2g instead of 1g of gear so you would approve of their “model”.
 
Just got my two bottles today but not going to run them till May just because I'm on Mk and a test booster but I have to admit if this doesn't produce results I think I'm done with natural anabolics . I just spent so much money with little results
 
Well, I still haven’t received mine yet...but I am on the opposite coast.

I probably would have not even noticed the label errors as I will be so excited to just rip into my bottle and take my first dose! If this were a company that we were not familiar with, I can see how the errors might be off-putting. In this case, we already know that brundel/BLR represents exceptional quality. When you build up an impressive resume with multiple products over the years, that can’t be tarnished by an imperfect label. That is just my opinion..
 
Mission1 said:
Don’t worry about the beat up gang. They will always defend first. Fight till death. Eventually they dry up and blow away till the next best thing. Don’t take it personal. It’s just their way. It’s a good argument and a natural test booster.
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There are things that I like about the forum, but this is what I HATE about the forum. Instead of intelligently discussing issues, immediately a wall goes up and the henchmen gang up, attack you and try and shut you up. I'm not sure where this gang mentality originates from. Its seriously off putting..but who am I lol. That aside, the ingredients are promising and I'm interested to see how people like this.
 
kid amnesiac said:
Also, many “models” who juice to the gills & represent natural products. BLR should have hired someone on 2g instead of 1g of gear so you would approve of their “model”.
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You obviously didn't read his post carefully. He has a great point, no need to attack him for it. I don't believe blr would do that, but studhorses poses were exactly what people do to enhance the results..and it really does work. In fact, I can link you to a video showing how it's done. Before anyone aims their daggers at me, once again, im not accusing anyone of anything! Im just supporting the posters right to question. The day anyone stops questioning things, is the day you hand over your brain to someone else.
 
Hey anabolix I see your point and I feel the same way I'm just hoping this is the sheet - you have no idea how much $$ I've spent on supps in the last few years
 
love2liftkat said:
Knowing the quality BLR puts out as well as all of the time and effort put into researching/testing the ingredients is enough for me to trust their products!
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Well said sister!
Never used a BLR supplement that didn't work.

And no i'm not getting paid to say this.
 
max silver said:
I guess we just have different takes on the label. I simply view it as being a bit rushed to get the product to market as soon as possible, seeing as how most of us in this thread seem to be a bunch of supplement junkies waiting for our fix. I feel that the amount of attention that went into this product are obvious from the information that has been provided to us by Brundel, and given my past personal success with several of his products have no qualms with forgiving a few minor (to me anyways) grammatical errors.
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I don't think marketing is Brundel's strong suit! lol
 
GravyVampire said:
I’ll be honest, I have 4 bottles - so I’ll most likely try it at some point, albeit hesitantly. I just cringe every time I look at the bottle. My girlfriend, a graphic designer, has been in my ear to “send it back” because she’s that appalled by it. “Is this a real company?” was her quote to me haha... I think way too many of you would drink poison as long as a few reps on here gave you “their word” that it works... so I’m more here for the few rational people who may find my concerns useful.
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I'm with you on this. Beauty may only be skin deep in this sense, but in general how can I trust that a company put effort into what's inside the bottle when a label on the outside is poorly done? BLR has a good reputation here so most of us would still try VECTOR if the caps were packaged in a wrinkled brown paper bag sealed with staples, but if this were Brundel's first product it might put more people off. The newer labels on BLR products do still look better than they way they used to (plain black label, very little info printed etc).

That said though, I have to say that MOST labels from companies in the "hardcore" bodybuilding supplement market are cheesy and terribly done. How many cartoon Spartan warriors, lightning bolts, and giant obnoxious all-caps print are on bottles these days? Product names written in L33TSP3AK? Deliberately mispelled words to appeal to 14 year-olds like HYOOOGE GAINZ 2.0 by CRAYZEE LABZ. How does some of this stuff ever make it to market? It's as if they're marketing to complete morons - but it must be working because they keep coming out!
 
GravyVampire said:
I’ll be honest, I have 4 bottles - so I’ll most likely try it at some point, albeit hesitantly. I just cringe every time I look at the bottle. My girlfriend, a graphic designer, has been in my ear to “send it back” because she’s that appalled by it. “Is this a real company?” was her quote to me haha... I think way too many of you would drink poison as long as a few reps on here gave you “their word” that it works... so I’m more here for the few rational people who may find my concerns useful.
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See if you can get her to make a couple quick mock ups of what she think would look good. I think BLR makes incredible, cutting edge products but there’s always room for improvement for pretty much any creative that a small company puts out. (Unlike muscletech, who has awesome labels but lackluster products). I’d love to see someone with her experience give their interpretation...never know, might spark something.
 
GravyVampire said:
I half-jokingly already mentioned this to her. Considering her going rate is $35 an hour, and she said a label like this would take roughly 10 hours, I’m not sure Brundel is willing to dish out $350 for a new label. I will say, that’s on the lower end for freelance graphic designers, and she does some bang up work — but I don’t see BLR pumping out that kind of money if they’re not concerned about the appearance.
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Or maybe your talking her up cause you think she's great but others think she's not all that and thats why she is freelance. Just saying
 
Mission1 said:
Honestly no disrespect to the model. I’m sure he trains very hard. But if your promoting something that is gonna rock our world. Im not sold on his physique after taking this supplement. How many testers were there and if it’s that effective where are their pics for comparison. Would love to see different age groups. I’ll back off. Spelling on the label should be critical of a company. I know my grammar and spelling isn’t perfect but I’m not selling the promise pill. Would you take a prescription drug to help prolong your life and noticed it was spelled wrong ?? How foolish can one be? Yes, I know the reputation of black lion. Not here to bash or discredit. But definitely odd and suspicious. Make you own decisions.
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First off I'm not a model. I'm just a normal guy that works for a living. Never been confused for a model before! flattering.
I'm a grandfather of 2 beautiful grandchildren.
the photos are obviously not professional.
I was asked to try a new natural supplement and I agreed. I had used BLR supplements in the past. So I agreed. Brundel knows I'm all natty and assured me it was natural.

I was not paid a dime.
This was the best supplement I have ever taken for adding muscle. I have never put on 10Lbs. of muscle in 54 days before. (Well when I was in my 20's maybe).

Everyone was busting his balls to get this to market and he probably should have spent a little more time on marketing.

If I had any concerns about something I wouldn't touch it.
 
Studhorse said:
First off I'm not a model. I'm just a normal guy that works for a living. Never been confused for a model before! flattering.
I'm a grandfather of 2 beautiful grandchildren.
the photos are obviously not professional.
I was asked to try a new natural supplement and I agreed. I had used BLR supplements in the past. So I agreed. Brundel knows I'm all natty and assured me it was natural.

I was not paid a dime.
This was the best supplement I have ever taken for adding muscle. I have never put on 10Lbs. of muscle in 54 days before. (Well when I was in my 20's maybe).

Everyone was busting his balls to get this to market and he probably should have spent a little more time on marketing.

If I had any concerns about something I wouldn't touch it.
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Don’t lie about not being a model. Your 1993 Playgirl centerfold still counts.
 
I’m just glad that after all the constant demands for ingredient profiles and full write up information and the constant need for updates that the product was not only delivered on time...but you guys actually already hand the product in HAND!!! Man I can easily say so what to a crappy product draft that was pushed write into production. Did brundel drop the ball there....YES. I however can look more into the fact that this product was brought in and got to its distributer with great timing and that product was sent out to customers with no delay. Will the next run have a different write up I’m sure. It’s easy to forget that we are talking directly to a man that’s built a brand from his closet basically. He just got a team of board reps this year for goodness sake let the man grow into this a bit more as well guys. I can say BLR has grown so much in the last 2-3 years that’s its amazing that it’s still such a small operation.

Keep up the great work, there’s a rep team so allow them to proofread after your long hours brundel and keep being innovation to this market. I for one will continue to support such tireless innovation and dedication.
 
kid amnesiac said:
Also, many “models” who juice to the gills & represent natural products. BLR should have hired someone on 2g instead of 1g of gear so you would approve of their “model”.
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So is this directed towards me?
I hope so! I'm not even on TRT.
 
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