Var and SD stacked

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planning a run after new years....got all support and pct lined up....

have enough var to run either 6 weeks at 50mg/day or 7 weeks at 40

would be my second cycle ever (first cycle was var solo)

originally was going to run solo but have some m-drol laying around asking to be stacked ---/> and kick start the cycle lol....anyway cant find any logs or posts of anyone who stacked these two...was thinking of following:

mdrol 10/20/20(only up to 30 if needed, will assess as this is first SD run for me)
var 0/0/40/40/40/40/40/40/40 (9 weeks total)
or var 0/0/50/50/50/50/50/50 (8 weeks total)

my thought is the var will help maintain and keep whatever gains from the SD...also thought about xtren (esp. PP's new liqui-vade) ....but my support and pct is not set up for possible progestin sides? the prolactin gyno worries me a little bit as ive read up on some nightmare stories...

thought about dmt also but i recall a study about enlarged hearts in lab rats circulating on some forums and that turned me off!

so i know i respond well to var - and this will be my first time taking a designer - i figure might as well make it count with what seems to be the best...SD of course (with the exception of some rare non-responders)..... feedback or advice on the cycle is appreciated...thanks
 
i like the second setup with var at 50. 8 weeks is a while but var is frequently run for long periods so i think it's fine

should not be any prolactin issues with this cycle
 
UnrealMachine said:
i like the second setup with var at 50. 8 weeks is a while but var is frequently run for long periods so i think it's fine

should not be any prolactin issues with this cycle
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thanks unreal - i think im leaning towards the second setup - 9 weeks might be pushing it too long and hopefully get better gains from the 50/day anyway...i could even opt to up the var and shorten the length - but my understanding is var should be run for at least 6 weeks anyway...or i could also start them both from day 1, i.e. week 1-3 mdrol 10/20/20 and week 1-6 var at 50ed - so then id have 3 weeks of just var to end the cycle and maybe better for my body to be done in 6 weeks??? kind of wanted to see how i respond the mdrol by itself tho but im open minded...


oh yeah when i mentioned prolactin i was referring to the reason why i dont want to mess with the tren ph's.......thanks tho...
 
mooch2321 said:
hdl will be zero after this cycle
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mooch ill be taking cycle support with policosinal ...and ill be taking plenty of omega 3's ....i mean really tho all anabolics kill your HDL ...altho i suppose these 2 compounds are harsher on hdl then some others.....whats your advise then bro? like i said before im open minded to suggestions and advise....
 
Var- are you talking about Halovar or the Var you can get from that fake steroids online store? I was curious about this places products- if they are any good. My only question would be why would you want to run 2 cutting ph's back to back I would think you would be better of with a wet and dry combo like say m14add and m-drol.
 
jeremiah0079 said:
Var- are you talking about Halovar or the Var you can get from that fake steroids online store? I was curious about this places products- if they are any good. My only question would be why would you want to run 2 cutting ph's back to back I would think you would be better of with a wet and dry combo like say m14add and m-drol.
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no, var is short for anavar, AKA oxandrolone and it is a REAL steroid (despite whatever products your scam site stocks)

and i don't know why you are calling Superdrol a cutting "ph"
 
well if steroids were classified based on the results of 1 person that would make sense

ok i'm gonna stop giving you so much **** i can tell from your posts that you are very new here and you have a lot to learn yet.
 
Yes I have a lot to learn but I am a very hard gainer so maybe that is my problem. Unreal maybe you could help me out on my pct- I got tamox and a bottle of Post cycle tabs from IDS I figured on running the tamox at 30,15,15 because of the conversion rate but when should I sart the post cycle tabs- they have natty test boosters and 4-hydroxyandrostene in them which I am pretty sure is formestane? And what dosage? Was thinking of a taper down from 3-1
 
Tamox: 30/15/15 ??
Normally, PCT is 4 weeks and can be extended a couple weeks.
Run the Tamox like so: 40/20/20/10
And for your other questions, use google, Unreal and others dont need to be doing all the work for you...

-Gamer
 
jeremiah0079 said:
Yes I have a lot to learn but I am a very hard gainer so maybe that is my problem. Unreal maybe you could help me out on my pct- I got tamox and a bottle of Post cycle tabs from IDS I figured on running the tamox at 30,15,15 because of the conversion rate but when should I sart the post cycle tabs- they have natty test boosters and 4-hydroxyandrostene in them which I am pretty sure is formestane? And what dosage? Was thinking of a taper down from 3-1
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i don't like giving tooo much advice on PCT because I don't want to be responsible for it, PCT is a personal decision based on how much you feel you need to recover and how well your body responds to the compounds used. Personally I feel that nolva is way overrated and clomid is much better.
At any rate 30/15/15 is weird, as gamer said it's usually dosed for 4 weeks... Conversion rate to what??? You're confusing me here.
I don't know about post cycle tabs or how to run them.
 
Does anyone have experience with running M1, 4ADD every day and pulsing SD 3 times per week? I am pulsing SD (M-drol) right now to try it out, and I like it much better than I thought I would. I do like pulsing SD, and would like to stack something with it next time.
 
The conversion rate of tamox-nolva you know 20mgs. of tamox= 14 mgs. of nolva I said 30,15,15 because 1 dropper=20mgs. of tamox which would =14mgs. of nolva so 2 droppers a day for 1 week and 1 dropper for the rest. The reason I was wondering when to add the post cycle tabs is here everyone says start at week 3 but on another forum the guru said to start at the same time as the nolva and taper down.
 
are you talking about tamoxifen citrate? yes because of the weight of the citrate its not as potent mg/mg as straight tamox. But there is no conversion. Furthermore if your using a reputable research site they compensate for the weight of the citrate in your dose.
 
I'd go with the 50mg 8 week option.
hope you have a solid pct worked up. should be a nice cycle though.

do you have enough sd to run it 20/20/20 ? that would be the only thing i'd do different though.
 
jbryand101b said:
I'd go with the 50mg 8 week option.
hope you have a solid pct worked up. should be a nice cycle though.

do you have enough sd to run it 20/20/20 ? that would be the only thing i'd do different though.
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Yeah I'm leaning towards the 8 week option ...thanks....and PCT is solid imo...got toremifene citrate and clomid(if needed) on hand...also have reversitol (ai) that ill start on week 3 of PCT and taper down (to help avoid possible rebound)....

i have more than enough SD to bump it to 20/20/20..times 3 lol...but i was going to start at 10/20/20 since its my first SD run ...ive heard some people say they start making gains at the 10...but by day 2 or 3 i might just bump it up to 20 if it feels right!
 
Start it at 10mg if its your first run. Sides will show themselves within a few days then decide on dose after that. Like Mooch said earlier this really is a terrible cycle for your lipids. The Var normally slowly kills HDL. With your stack the SD will kill your lipids quick and the Var will keep them down for the whole cycle. Lots of Omegas and check your bp regularly.
 
Smiley said:
Start it at 10mg if its your first run. Sides will show themselves within a few days then decide on dose after that. Like Mooch said earlier this really is a terrible cycle for your lipids. The Var normally slowly kills HDL. With your stack the SD will kill your lipids quick and the Var will keep them down for the whole cycle. Lots of Omegas and check your bp regularly.
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getting ready to start this cycle on monday - and between mooch and smiley's response you all got me a lil worried about my lipids and bp on this cycle....ive only run a var cycle once as my prior experience - and i loved the strength / vascularity - was hopin to add a little more muscle weight this time around which is why i wanted to throw in the mdrol - so 3 questions:

1. i just realized the difference between the 2 SD (a and b isomers) after reading a couple threads on here - are both equally harsh on the HDL/lipids - as what i have is mdrol not original SD ??

2. altho i thought i was convinced mdrol would be the best designer to stack with var - i am open minded to other options....phera, epi, or tren specifically (altho im not prepared with supports for tren/progestin like sides so i would have to pick up a few more items - and p5p and vitex might not be enough from what ive heard i should have caber on hand just in case - correct me if im mistaken?)

3. would it be better on my lipids to start the cycle with the var and throw in the mdrol in the middle or closer to the end? altho i thought it made more sense in the beginning as far as retaining the gains with the var at the end?


anyway started preloading supports last week and i am so ready to start next monday so hope to get some good feedback/suggestions from the brothers - thanks
 
no feedback? i guess im just goin to stick with the original plan:

mdrol: 10/20/20/0/0/0/0/0
var : 0/0/50/50/50/50/50/50

and like smiley said keep my omegas high and watch the BP closely.....another idea im playing with is...

mdrol: 0/0/10/20/20/0
var: 50/50/50/50/50/50

this would shorten the cycle from 8 weeks to 6 weeks, and maybe decrease the time spent with the horrible lipid profile?
 
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