Usplabs recall email

Do we know that no refund is going to happen at this point though or is that speculation?
 
Geoforce said:
Do we know that no refund is going to happen at this point though or is that speculation?
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My only gripe is that we cannot get a refund through the manufacturers (PES, USP) but rather the retail channels we purchased them through. That means WE have to pay shipping costs. Which I'm okay with shelling out 2-4 bucks if I get back 30. But still, it's the principle.
 
The Engineer said:
My only gripe is that we cannot get a refund through the manufacturers (PES, USP) but rather the retail channels we purchased them through. That means WE have to pay shipping costs. Which I'm okay with shelling out 2-4 bucks if I get back 30. But still, it's the principle.
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Yep, I would think they would at least offer a trade-in or buy back option in a sympathetic/apologetic toned email.
 
chedapalooza said:
Ahh, all the holier than thou preaching against supplements on a supplement driven and sponsored forum. Gotta love the irony there. Why don't you all shut down and stop stealing our money if they are SO ineffective. Damn. Sure, I remember a time when I went from 190 with 20% bf to 155 with 5% and NO supps. I kept a food log book and weighed and measured everything I put in my body. It sucked. I'm not 5% but I'm not a slave to a food log and measuring devices anymore. Ill take my supps over that lifestyle. Supps aren't needed. But I like them. They help quell my OCD with my weight and body image issues stemming from years of torture as a fat kid. Some sht stays with you no matter what. So when someone comes and takes something that keeps me sane.... I speak up. What I would give to know what it's like to naturally have a 6 pack regardless of diet or pick up a DB and have 17 inch arms.. Or maybe I should just take the real stuff and stop wasting my money? Lol.
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Lol have to love the chedapalooza you bro the dream customer. I do no see how the supp they helping with OCD sound like you a little OCD about them also seem more underlying issues have then body image manifesting but dealing with roots of issue I think good bro may help
 
T-Bone said:
Yep, I would think they would at least offer a trade-in or buy back option in a sympathetic/apologetic toned email.
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Seriously! I'd rather deal with them directly.

Ideally, I could send back my Enhanced to PES and them give me a bottle of Erase or ABE or even Amino IV for my trouble. Is that so hard?
 
chedapalooza said:
I kept a food log book and weighed and measured everything I put in my body. It sucked. I'm not 5% but I'm not a slave to a food log and measuring devices anymore. Ill take my supps over that lifestyle.

Supps aren't needed. But I like them. They help quell my OCD with my weight and body image issues stemming from years of torture as a fat kid. Some sht stays with you no matter what.

So when someone comes and takes something that keeps me sane.....
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stay sane you need some certain supp. and this has replace aforementioned. See bro it like trading OCD one thing transfer on another neither one nor the other healthy way to live.
 
this whole situation is just garbage. im happy that i didnt end up in the hospital from using oxy powder or any other supplement.

i read something by nelson montanna a long time ago. basically he said the supplement business just cant be trusted. a shady shady industry. obviously there are plenty good companies out there that are more honest and less shady. things like this just reminds me why i stay cautious. i know its easy for me to say since i wasnt put into a hospital by supplements. what im trying to say is supplement companies are not your friends. it is a business after all and it truly sucks people could get seriously hurt from them and thats a shame.
 
chedapalooza said:
Ahh, all the holier than thou preaching against supplements on a supplement driven and sponsored forum. Gotta love the irony there. Why don't you all shut down and stop stealing our money if they are SO ineffective. Damn. Sure, I remember a time when I went from 190 with 20% bf to 155 with 5% and NO supps. I kept a food log book and weighed and measured everything I put in my body. It sucked. I'm not 5% but I'm not a slave to a food log and measuring devices anymore. Ill take my supps over that lifestyle. Supps aren't needed. But I like them. They help quell my OCD with my weight and body image issues stemming from years of torture as a fat kid. Some sht stays with you no matter what. So when someone comes and takes something that keeps me sane.... I speak up. What I would give to know what it's like to naturally have a 6 pack regardless of diet or pick up a DB and have 17 inch arms.. Or maybe I should just take the real stuff and stop wasting my money? Lol.
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That's not irony. Nor was it "holier than thou" by anyone. They were simply saying that people are overreacting to how important supplements are, most people achieving great results are giving them too much weight where in reality the diet and training was on point.

You just said you take supplements because you have a mental dependency on them. You probably have achieved what you have mostly due to your training and diet. Give yourself credit, not the companies nonstop. And if you're body image is that bad, then go talk to someone. You're in better shape than 99% of America.
 
chedapalooza said:
Or maybe I should just take the real stuff and stop wasting my money? Lol.
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Obvious you do what you want but what you say on disposition you have that bro one bad road you to take
 
Touey said:
Obvious you do what you want but what you say on disposition you have that bro one bad road you to take
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I start to understand you a little more each day bud hahaha!!
 
chedapalooza said:
Ahh, all the holier than thou preaching against supplements on a supplement driven and sponsored forum. Gotta love the irony there. Why don't you all shut down and stop stealing our money if they are SO ineffective. Damn. Sure, I remember a time when I went from 190 with 20% bf to 155 with 5% and NO supps. I kept a food log book and weighed and measured everything I put in my body. It sucked. I'm not 5% but I'm not a slave to a food log and measuring devices anymore. Ill take my supps over that lifestyle. Supps aren't needed. But I like them. They help quell my OCD with my weight and body image issues stemming from years of torture as a fat kid. Some sht stays with you no matter what. So when someone comes and takes something that keeps me sane.... I speak up. What I would give to know what it's like to naturally have a 6 pack regardless of diet or pick up a DB and have 17 inch arms.. Or maybe I should just take the real stuff and stop wasting my money? Lol.
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I love ya Ched and I wasn't preaching against supplements. You have ever right to be upset at companies right now man. No one is blaming you there in the least bit. You deserve to get your money back at the very least and no one faults anyone for being mad about this ordeal. If it makes you feel better get your money back and order some different supplements or use the money to buy some food or whatever you want. We are just trying to give you more props for what you can accomplish. Supplements can help you achieve your goals, but if you're a driven individual who cares about results in the gym (which it seems like you are) you can achieve goals without them. If you want to lose fat you don't need OEP. If you want to gain muscle you don't need Versa. Plenty of other supplements out there that can help you in those areas. Or you can take a supplement break for a while if you want.

Get your money back and use it how you best see fit. This is no reason to think you can't accomplish some goals in the gym though without access to these USP supps.
 
Geoforce said:
I love ya Ched and I wasn't preaching against supplements. You have ever right to be upset at companies right now man. No one is blaming you there in the least bit. You deserve to get your money back at the very least and no one faults anyone for being mad about this ordeal. If it makes you feel better get your money back and order some different supplements or use the money to buy some food or whatever you want. We are just trying to give you more props for what you can accomplish. Supplements can help you achieve your goals, but if you're a driven individual who cares about results in the gym (which it seems like you are) you can achieve goals without them. If you want to lose fat you don't need OEP. If you want to gain muscle you don't need Versa. Plenty of other supplements out there that can help you in those areas. Or you can take a supplement break for a while if you want.

Get your money back and use it how you best see fit. This is no reason to think you can't accomplish some goals in the gym though without access to these USP supps.
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You could say the same thing about Anabolics. A lot of people that visit this site are addicted to AAS though. Maybe not physically, but psychologically addicted. They post threads like , "What do I take between cycles?". Then there are those that just never come off. A lot of these people feel that they can not achieve what they do chemically enhanced verses natural.

It seems that a lot of people don't see not using anything as even an option anymore. People want instant results and they want them quickly, if that doesn't happen they jump on AAS and never come off. They never just run 1 or 2 cycles. It's an addiction, just like any other addiction. If it wasn't easier to gain muscle on AAS, well then people wouldn't use them. You have to work harder when it's all you. Anabolic steroids are anabolic regardless of whether or not your diet is perfect. It's going to make things easier, just as long as you eat enough.
 
Yea didnt want to or mean to make this about myself or the addiction to supps lol.

The money isn't even that big an issue... Just the whole situation is bleh. Didnt meant to step on any toes either... All good people in this thread
 
T-Bone said:
I don't see where people posting percentages of how much supplements help are getting these though. Is there some mathematical formula you all have?
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It's a generalization not a sure fire equation just trying to open people's eyes. Getting results in the gym is broken down by food, training, recovery and supps. Of that equation supps make up the least amount. In my personal opinion it's 5% or less. Results aren't reliant upon supps but rather everything else. Supplements do just what they are titled - to supplement everything else. There shouldn't be any greater emphasis on supplements besides that.

AAS is a completely different story
 
Spaniard said:
It's a generalization not a sure fire equation just trying to open people's eyes. Getting results in the gym is broken down by food, training, recovery and supps. Of that equation supps make up the least amount. In my personal opinion it's 5% or less. Results aren't reliant upon supps but rather everything else. Supplements do just what they are titled - to supplement everything else. There shouldn't be any greater emphasis on supplements besides that.

AAS is a completely different story
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I don't know about that, I'd think it would depend on the supplements themselves and also the total amount of supplements used. For instance if someone was feeling tired and a bit sluggish, so much so they didn't want to workout. Then they took a pre-workout and were bursting with energy and motivation to get to the gym and lift- That's a huge a difference than not wanting to work out at all. I'd say the pre-workout helped a hell of lot more than a measly 5 percent.
 
T-Bone said:
I don't know about that, I'd think it would depend on the supplements themselves and also the total amount of supplements used. For instance if someone was feeling tired and a bit sluggish, so much so they didn't want to workout. Then they took a pre-workout and were bursting with energy and motivation to get to the gym and lift- That's a huge a difference than not wanting to work out at all. I'd say the pre-workout helped a hell of lot more than a measly 5 percent.
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I think the Spaniard only trying to point out for Ched actual muscle growth induction etc. resulting then say caffeine boost.

To the example if you not get enough sleep and only melatonin will put you to sleep well then it has same level on importance for goals to pre-workout.

It is very specific need we talking here, I think the Spaniard only talking for average healthy person. May be not what he try to point out but this is the take I see
 
Touey said:
I think the Spaniard only trying to point out for Ched the actual muscle growth induction resulting then say caffeine boost.

To the example if you not get enough sleep and only melatonin will put you to sleep well then it has same level on importance for goals to pre-workout.

It is very specific need we talking here, I think the Spaniard only talking for average healthy person. May be not what he try to point out but this is the take I see
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I only somewhat understand what you are trying to say Touey.
 
T-Bone said:
I don't know about that, I'd think it would depend on the supplements themselves and also the total amount of supplements used. For instance if someone was feeling tired and a bit sluggish, so much so they didn't want to workout. Then they took a pre-workout and were bursting with energy and motivation to get to the gym and lift- That's a huge a difference than not wanting to work out at all. I'd say the pre-workout helped a hell of lot more than a measly 5 percent.
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If someone can't workout without a preworkout they need to fix their diet and get more sleep. Not arguing with you here, T but supps shouldn't be used as a bandaid.

And here's another point do you think that someone who uses a pre vs someone who just ate and rested well are going to have any dramatic amount of difference in results? Ok they may be tired at the gym but if they still eat adequate and rest well they will have the same exact results. If we're talking about a mental edge because it makes the workout "easier" to get through that's another story but in the realm of results the outcome would be the same.
 
ummm... Send back to USPlabs for refund and with refund check purchase ECA + forskolin (and a little yohimbe for fun. )

Problem solved ;)
 
I didnt read the whole thread, just the first post where ched asks what is he to do if he cant use OEP
 
chedapalooza said:
First off- we all sAw this coming Second- I love USPlabs and have used their products for plus or minus 8 years now. Third- the recall email states that we should be discontinuing use of the 3 products in question immediately, and then discarding them.My issue with that... and i know there are other who are as OCD than me and definitely worse....WTF am I supposed to take tomorrow, etc if my goals were fat loss Etc.. It's like someone stole my fat burner and now im screwed with nothing to use.More importantly though- what do I do with the tubs of OEP powder, bottles of OEP caps, and versa 1 that I have sitting in my closet? These were investments at a time when I had disposable income. Now they're rendered unusable? The only way to reconcile this is a buy back or exchange program for other, unaffected USPlabs products. With return shipping covered. I'm SO sorry to my friends at USPlabs whom have done nothing but help me achieve goals, learn, Etc over the years. But this had to be mentioned. I work hard for my money (like most everyone else here) and I cAnt have it be literally thrown into the garbage.
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Return will be covered by usplabs contact customer service and they will lead you through the process
 
Touey said:
I think the Spaniard only trying to point out for Ched actual muscle growth induction etc. resulting then say caffeine boost.

To the example if you not get enough sleep and only melatonin will put you to sleep well then it has same level on importance for goals to pre-workout.

It is very specific need we talking here, I think the Spaniard only talking for average healthy person. May be not what he try to point out but this is the take I see
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Hahaha! Touey! Kinda sorta but we're getting closer on the language barrier my Italian friend! Ay capisce?!
 
Spaniard said:
Hahaha! Touey! Kinda sorta but we're getting closer on the language barrier my Italian friend! Ay capisce?!
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Oh man, I didnt know he is Italian. My whole family speaks it... The only Italian thing I can say is my name....
I'm loving "the" Spaniard.. Priceless
 
wolverines said:
You hit the PR my friend not the supps : ) haha what we're your numbers if you don't mind sharing ??
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No I don't mind sharing, in fact whatever small part they played, they helped. People make their decision and suffer the consequences based on them. I made my PR but I didn't measure good or intake and according to most here how I idid it wasn't possible. I can prove I gain more muscle naturally than most day can happen in a year. I've done it. So you can put little value on supps all you all want but they helped me immensely. They were all from USPLABS LINE. Yes, I don't mind telling you the PR, it wasn't much by most people opinion but it's mine, 440 BENCH PRESS. It's on YouTube, under IPA RECORD BENCH 440 for 40 year old HokiePride.
 
HokiePride said:
No I don't mind sharing, in fact whatever small part they played, they helped. People make their decision and suffer the consequences based on them. I made my PR but I didn't measure good or intake and according to most here how I idid it wasn't possible. I can prove I gain more muscle naturally than most day can happen in a year. I've done it. So you can put little value on supps all you all want but they helped me immensely. They were all from USPLABS LINE. Yes, I don't mind telling you the PR, it wasn't much by most people opinion but it's mine, 440 BENCH PRESS. It's on YouTube, under IPA RECORD BENCH 440 for 40 year old HokiePride.
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440 bench isn't a lot... Oh okay then
 
EatMoar, It was sarcasm. Everytime someone posts something about what they feel THEIR PR is someone tends to come through and knock them down just because their lifting more. It's sad. If someone has made a PR 0f 135, its their PR, not for someone to say what someone should or should not take to get a higher PR. It's a choice. I choose to utilize supplements, mainly USPLABS and at times from other companies when I earn a sponsored opportunity.

People say eat more food, well maybe I don't like shoving all that food down my throat. In the industry I'm in, woroking 12 hr days I have little time around a RIG while drilling to run off and eat. Just like people always recommend whatever style workout, westside, 5/3/1. To get to 405 I did some of that but went away real fast. The workouts I completed to get to where I am today most would have laughed if they even read what the workouts were and said are you kidding, yet it's all documented here on this site with witnesses who followed along. I don't train like the norm, in fact most would call it overtraining, yet I have no injuries or suffered any setbacks.

You take what you want from this read, but supps will always be apart of my training and supplementation. Thats all I use.

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HokiePride said:
EatMoar, It was sarcasm. Everytime someone posts something about what they feel THEIR PR is someone tends to come through and knock them down just because their lifting more. It's sad. If someone has made a PR 0f 135, its their PR, not for someone to say what someone should or should not take to get a higher PR. It's a choice. I choose to utilize supplements, mainly USPLABS and at times from other companies when I earn a sponsored opportunity.

People say eat more food, well maybe I don't like shoving all that food down my throat. In the industry I'm in, woroking 12 hr days I have little time around a RIG while drilling to run off and eat. Just like people always recommend whatever style workout, westside, 5/3/1. To get to 405 I did some of that but went away real fast. The workouts I completed to get to where I am today most would have laughed if they even read what the workouts were and said are you kidding, yet it's all documented here on this site with witnesses who followed along. I don't train like the norm, in fact most would call it overtraining, yet I have no injuries or suffered any setbacks.

You take what you want from this read, but supps will always be apart of my training and supplementation. Thats all I use.

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Lol you don't have to prove anything to people in the internet. Nice PR.I agree I don't train with the norm. To many people preach over training . if you took a look at my.lifts and how much I do+ how I look it would reflect that hard work.
 
HokiePride said:
EatMoar, It was sarcasm. Everytime someone posts something about what they feel THEIR PR is someone tends to come through and knock them down just because their lifting more. It's sad. If someone has made a PR 0f 135, its their PR, not for someone to say what someone should or should not take to get a higher PR. It's a choice. I choose to utilize supplements, mainly USPLABS and at times from other companies when I earn a sponsored opportunity.

People say eat more food, well maybe I don't like shoving all that food down my throat. In the industry I'm in, woroking 12 hr days I have little time around a RIG while drilling to run off and eat. Just like people always recommend whatever style workout, westside, 5/3/1. To get to 405 I did some of that but went away real fast. The workouts I completed to get to where I am today most would have laughed if they even read what the workouts were and said are you kidding, yet it's all documented here on this site with witnesses who followed along. I don't train like the norm, in fact most would call it overtraining, yet I have no injuries or suffered any setbacks.

You take what you want from this read, but supps will always be apart of my training and supplementation. Thats all I use.

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Most people are too afraid of over training to unlock the potential they possess. People ask me how long it takes me in the gym I answer " however long it takes me"
Shut up ,lift,eat right,sleep. Not difficult.

If what you're doing is working keep doing it. This goes for the crossfit crowd too.
 
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