ULTRA HOTTER (Is methylated ATD safe for pct?)

[Author L. Rea]

Now my head hurts from reading all that.

Amazing:

Did you know that the most consumed drug on the planet cafiene has two methyl groups?

Simple fact: This should make for a 10 pager.

So, let me get this straight, the question is, would I remove a product from the market that worked almost too well to put a worse one in to replace it? Yup, did all the work to create and test then produce and paid all the bills to make a less effective product that is (What was the subject name on this thread?) liver toxic. Okay, you got us.

Must be time to retire.

 

[Author L. Rea]

Amazing:

Did you know that the most consumed drug on the planet cafiene has two methyl groups?

Simple fact: This should make for a 10 pager.

So, let me get this straight, the question is, would I remove a product from the market that worked almost too well to put a worse one in to replace it? Yup, did all the work to create and test then produce and paid all the bills to make a less effective product that is (What was the subject name on this thread?) liver toxic. Okay, you got us.

Must be time to retire.

Oh, and forgot to add this because I am busy being shady:

Ultra HOTter, like Ultra, HOT tends to IMPROVE AST and ALT (liver enzymes) profiles and lipids improve as well. That Damn ALR. he keeps creating new compounds that work. Why doesn't he just spend all day posting on boards and being a whiner. lol

 

[Giantz11]

You are the man....There I said it....Now lets get that Elephant Max out so I can be a guinea pig once again!!!Thanks for the new and improved UH, Look forwards to trying some!!

 

[Author L. Rea]

from PA@musclegurus:

I guess that would explain why it works so well.

Duh, 17-OH-ATD is the active metabolite of ATD...and 17a-m-ATD does as well.

Oops!

I know, don't be innovative, just follow the pack and do knock offs of everyone elses ideas. Sorry, did not mean to make other have to catch up with new knock offs. lol

 

[Cheezefacta]

Oh, and forgot to add this because I am busy being shady:

Ultra HOTter, like Ultra, HOT tends to IMPROVE AST and ALT (liver enzymes) profiles and lipids improve as well. That Damn ALR. he keeps creating new compounds that work. Why doesn't he just spend all day posting on boards and being a whiner. lol

LOL, I assume the "shady" response stems from my posts. Ok Rea, so some people said some asshole things...I had enough faith in your products to buy several of them (E...Max, Max LMG, Ultra Hot) even AFTER they were getting bashed. Ok, so we all made some stupid comments and we suck. Your stuff got tested and it contained DMT, that of which I was curious about but at the same time I was really happy with my gains. Horrible decision to open my mouth even though I knew I was happy with my gains...mistakes happen. Hype is a bitch.

 

[Author L. Rea]

You are the man....There I said it....Now lets get that Elephant Max out so I can be a guinea pig once again!!!Thanks for the new and improved UH, Look forwards to trying some!!

If I do not retire at the end of this year I will run 25 test bottles and send you two, lad. lol

 

[natedogg]

Oh, and forgot to add this because I am busy being shady:

Ultra HOTter, like Ultra, HOT tends to IMPROVE AST and ALT (liver enzymes) profiles and lipids improve as well. That Damn ALR. he keeps creating new compounds that work. Why doesn't he just spend all day posting on boards and being a whiner. lol

Ok, really, I'd like to put all the BS aside and talk about what this thread should be about. I'm curious, what does the methylated analog of ATD have that the other does not besides being methylated? What I'm saying is, what advantages does it have over the other?

 

[Author L. Rea]

LOL, I assume the "shady" response stems from my posts. Ok Rea, so some people said some asshole things...I had enough faith in your products to buy several of them (E...Max, Max LMG, Ultra Hot) even AFTER they were getting bashed. Ok, so we all made some stupid comments and we suck. Your stuff got tested and it contained DMT, that of which I was curious about but at the same time I was really happy with my gains. Horrible decision to open my mouth even though I knew I was happy with my gains...mistakes happen. Hype is a bitch.

And you are an honest man! Too bad, as usual, the competing supplement company is the source of info on testing. Yup, that is the one I trust. lol Fact is, he is right in one part, as I have said only like 1000 times, but as usual missed the point. Okay, want to know what is in the secret AMP? lol

Don't take my joking to hard, Lad. I see that you are thinking instead of following these days. Whether you agree with anyone (me included..and I have been wrong...but made a lot of people think!) or not thinking for yourself is paramount. Three choices: Adapt, migrate or die. Whining is not an option...except on forums and day-time talk shows!

Thanks for the post!

 

[HUGE GUY]

????

Where did I say that? Who's playing tricks on me?

I was talking about the studies you posted owned me...I just didn't want to quote them, and I thought it would be funny...i phail3d!

 

[kwyckemynd00]

AThree choices: Adapt, migrate or die. Whining is not an option...except on forums and day-time talk shows!

Oh, quote of the year right there, Author! That's going in the sig, lol.

Best part...it applies to everything about life throughout the entire history of any life form--humans included (although most people don't wan't darwins ideas to apply to humans.)

Back on topic. Thanks for hopping in on the thread. i was curious about the 17aa on the ATD, too.

 

[Author L. Rea]

Ok, really, I'd like to put all the BS aside and talk about what this thread should be about. I'm curious, what does the methylated analog of ATD have that the other does not besides being methylated? What I'm saying is, what advantages does it have over the other?

Better results for less money. Oral bioavailability is almost 100%, (ATD itself has something like 3% BA...in the real world) the activity potential is far reaching, it does not convert to oxo-estrones. And I am waiting to see if those who use the product report the same interesting side effect. (Nothing bad, except for a priest, but no doubt shady...lol)

 

[natedogg]

Better results for less money. Oral bioavailability is almost 100%, (ATD itself has something like 3% BA...in the real world) the activity potential is far reaching, it does not convert to oxo-estrones. And I am waiting to see if those who use the product report the same interesting side effect. (Nothing bad, except for a priest, but no doubt shady...lol)

Better results, less money. That's all I needed to hear. Sign me up.

 

[Giantz11]

If I do not retire at the end of this year I will run 25 test bottles and send you two, lad. lol

Retire.....So it ain't so. Who will we turn to now???

 

[natedogg]

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PA even mentions Bobo. Someone has an admirer.
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[Anarchy939]

Must be time to retire.

lol.. I have a pretty good feeling you know what you're doing man.. I guess the steam just rises when anyone sees the word "methyl" in the compound's name..

 

[Dwight Schrute]

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PA even mentions Bobo. Someone has an admirer.
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LOL....

Yeah I saw that.


I will have to post my credentials next time I develop a product.


:lol:


Then again I could just sell dried bovine serum or creat a company that sells bulk products.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I was talking about the studies you posted owned me...I just didn't want to quote them, and I thought it would be funny...i phail3d!

Anything for you Dbish77.



Another mutiple IP guy.....heheh....

Tis fun....now run off and post this at all the boards

 

[Kristopher]

Anything for you Dbish77.



Another mutiple IP guy.....heheh....

Tis fun....now run off and post this at all the boards

LOL i remember the first time you banned this guy, you would think
a guy who bitches so much about this place wouldent keep coming back

tsk tsk

 

[enimity]

Author, thanks for replying to this thread. I have to date used several of your products and have always found they do exactly what they claim so have been impressed thus far.

I am however no chemist so dont know what to make of PA's comments on the new ultra hotter, from what I read PA has a tendency to start controversy for his own benifit but would still like to hear your response to what he said.

Thanks

' a very poor choice for a compound

without the 17-keto group, the 1,4,6- androstanes really don't have very good aromatase affinity. None of the steroidal AIs do

and the 17methyl group prevents oxidation to the keto form

ALRI is demonstrating a severe lack of knowledge in the area of steroidal aromatase inhibitors here

someone has to call him on this -and in a BIG way'

 

[SilentScream27]

Author, thanks for replying to this thread. I have to date used several of your products and have always found they do exactly what they claim so have been impressed thus far.

I am however no chemist so dont know what to make of PA's comments on the new ultra hotter, from what I read PA has a tendency to start controversy for his own benifit but would still like to hear your response to what he said.

Thanks

' a very poor choice for a compound

without the 17-keto group, the 1,4,6- androstanes really don't have very good aromatase affinity. None of the steroidal AIs do

and the 17methyl group prevents oxidation to the keto form

ALRI is demonstrating a severe lack of knowledge in the area of steroidal aromatase inhibitors here

someone has to call him on this -and in a BIG way'

I guess you missed it, I already asked this and it was already answered in this very thread.

 

[GrossSizeRocks]

Shady

Just by way of covering my own butt in a way:

No one here in this thread has called ALRI shady as far as I remember. Maybe somewhere else, but anyone in the public eye attracts that word sooner or later.

I didn't use the word, but it was one of my posts that prompted its use, and we were talking about SupplementKing at that moment, NOT ALRI.

Others here defended SK, but "shady" was within a side-discussion of SK, not about ALRI/L. Rea.

 

[SanSon]

WOW 90 caps/bottle , same price
GREAT !!!!

:thumbsup:

 

[solarize]

Awesome

Hey Author, I am damn excited about your new Ultra HOT!. So its only 2 caps a day dosage for PCT?

How much more effective - percentage wise - do you think it is against the original Ultra HOT?

Can I send back my old Ultra HOT to swap for the new HOTTER? PS, love the old compound. Good to see you reformulated it a bit cheaper per dose though, as two bottles of UH was really needed for PCT, which made it more expensive than a single ALRI cycle.

Thanks.

 

[snakebyte05]

If I do not retire at the end of this year I will run 25 test bottles and send you two, lad. lol

It would be a shame if your retired. So far your products all seem to be good ones for the most part. Haven't seen one a didn't like. For elephant max, you say 25test bottles, does this mean that it won't be out to purchase for the public? I hope you release some after the test run, since I know myself and others would like to try it, since you could stack it with other products that were methlyated.

 

[jonny21]

Amazing:

Did you know that the most consumed drug on the planet cafiene has two methyl groups?

Simple fact: This should make for a 10 pager.

So, let me get this straight, the question is, would I remove a product from the market that worked almost too well to put a worse one in to replace it? Yup, did all the work to create and test then produce and paid all the bills to make a less effective product that is (What was the subject name on this thread?) liver toxic. Okay, you got us.

Must be time to retire.

ALR,
Just a FYI. The topic veered a few times. Once to a supplement retailer, hence the term "shady" which was nevertheless undeserved for this particular company IMO.

The next off tangent topic was the toxicity of Nolvadex, which Bobo posted the research about.

I have no reason to question either your expertise or your integrity. That is why I will continue to purchase your products on principle even if supporting results/info are not available. It also appears that many others have the same feeling on this board.

keep em coming.

 

[Yagman]

If I do not retire at the end of this year I will run 25 test bottles and send you two, lad. lol

No offense but if you did retire or never came into the market, we'd still have Superdrol, Pheraplex and Rebound. You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

 

[cpa5oh]

I have to ask a question...

I used Ultra Hot for PCT from eight weeks of Max LMG. The first and second bottles had capsules with brownish contents. The third bottle had very white contents. There was a post on the boards about this (can't remember where) and someone said that the product had been reformulated and that not as much was needed. Were the last bottles sent out to suppliers the new formulation? Was there some other reason for the difference in appearance between the contents of the two bottles?

 

[Alpha Dog]

No offense but if you did retire or never came into the market, we'd still have Superdrol, Pheraplex and Rebound. You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

No offense but if you did retire or never came to this board, we'd still have Bobo, Glen, Beelz and Size. You really haven't posted anything novel or unique......

Stupidest post ever. Not only is it innacurate, but what possible purpose could it serve?

 

[natiels]

No offense but if you did retire or never came into the market, we'd still have Superdrol, Pheraplex and Rebound. You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

No offense(sarcasm), but why do you have to be such a disrespectful snot? Because of ALR we have twice as many quality legal chemical enhancement products to choose from. ALR has done and is in the process of doing quite a bit to make the post ban era a lot more enjoyable for all of us.

DS is a great company and i will agree with you on that, but for you to say that ALR has made no significant contribution to this industry...seriously, where have you been?

 

[Max32]

No worries guys, he probably chants verses from the "PA Bible."

I am a huge fan of DS as well. Infact, the companies I find truly innovative are DS, ALRI, and Avant. MAN looks to be coming along with some new prods as well.

 

[Syr]

You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

Well this simply is not true.

 

[Yagman]

Please do tell me something Author has done that's novel. Would you like me to list off Sledge's?

 

[Yagman]

No worries guys, he probably chants verses from the "PA Bible."

I am a huge fan of DS as well. Infact, the companies I find truly innovative are DS, ALRI, and Avant. MAN looks to be coming along with some new prods as well.

I compliment Sledge and you think I love PA? You should change your name to severe hematoma.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Please do tell me something Author has done that's novel. Would you like me to list off Sledge's?

Hey Yagamn, Estopell, what is your problem? Is there a reason why you feel the need to start drama both here and at bb.com? I would think someone your age would be beyond creating threads for the sole purpose of wathcing the kiddies play.

 

[Mr.50]

As a matter of fact ALR I would be pissed if you retired, but with all of this BS I am sure we would all understand. Please keep me in mind for that small run of Elephant Max also .

No offense but if you did retire or never came into the market, we'd still have Superdrol, Pheraplex and Rebound. You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

 

[Syr]

Please do tell me something Author has done that's novel. Would you like me to list off Sledge's?

I'll let u at least look at ALRI website.
Dude, I know better than you what Sledge has done. I could not go on without DS products.

 

[Giantz11]

I am a huge fan of DS as well. Infact, the companies I find truly innovative are DS, ALRI, and Avant.

These are my 3 as well. Just ordered V-12 Turbo from SAN so I'll give them a run too.

 

[Iron Warrior]

No offense but if you did retire or never came into the market, we'd still have Superdrol, Pheraplex and Rebound. You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

You are right, none of like having ALRI's legal anabolic and PCT products You just don't realize how lucky we are to have companies like ALRI, DS, & AL

 

[not_big_enuf]

Please don't stop joking around nor being sarcastic. We enjoy it. Sometimes your too damn gracious and polite... it's nice to see ALR get irritated and defensive when people start getting ignorant.

Anyway, enough blowing smoke up your ass, and what the hell are you doing out of the lab?????? No more forums for you!

And you are an honest man! Too bad, as usual, the competing supplement company is the source of info on testing. Yup, that is the one I trust. lol Fact is, he is right in one part, as I have said only like 1000 times, but as usual missed the point. Okay, want to know what is in the secret AMP? lol

Don't take my joking to hard, Lad. I see that you are thinking instead of following these days. Whether you agree with anyone (me included..and I have been wrong...but made a lot of people think!) or not thinking for yourself is paramount. Three choices: Adapt, migrate or die. Whining is not an option...except on forums and day-time talk shows!

Thanks for the post!

 

[SilentScream27]

You are right, none of like having ALRI's legal anabolic and PCT products You just don't realize how lucky we are to have companies like ALRI, DS, & AL

ALR did come out with max LMG and prostanozol, which likely would not have been produced with DS alone in the industry. DS had DMT and ATD though.

 

[snakebyte05]

As a matter of fact ALR I would be pissed if you retired, but with all of this BS I am sure we would all understand. Please keep me in mind for that small run of Elephant Max also .

I would also love to be able to try this, as I hinted in my other post.
being able to stack this with another compound, mainly a methyl one would be great. Getting so good gains on both ends.

 

[coofoostu]

Bobo, thanks for posting that info regarding Nolvadex. It was actually Author's book Chemical Muscle Enhancement where I first learned that tamoxifin was liver toxic. I think the point I wanted to make was that everyone said "OMG its liver toxic," but in fact so are other drugs as well. If one considers the fact that people have been using 4-8 weeks of oral methylated aas followed by 4 weeks of nolva use and have been fine, I have to agree that the threat of nolva to the liver is not great.

 

[milwood]

Better results for less money. Oral bioavailability is almost 100%, (ATD itself has something like 3% BA...in the real world) the activity potential is far reaching, it does not convert to oxo-estrones. And I am waiting to see if those who use the product report the same interesting side effect. (Nothing bad, except for a priest, but no doubt shady...lol)

thanks, Author.
Regarding the original concern, is there a possibility that even though its efficacy is increased via methylation, the process would be a greater strain on the liver? If so, perhaps a methylated and a non-methylated formula could be an idea. If not, then never mind. I seriously have no idea, and therefore look to you guys to enlighten me. A legit concern to address, however, as most of us put pretty good strains on the liver anyway.

If you already put this to rest, I apologize. I didn't see it.

 

[RAVEN]

Ya I know...Author just sits on his ass all day....Max LMG ,,,,N'Gorge....doesnt do squat for the industry....Ergomax.....Emax.....Retain.....I mean geez Author will ya get off your ass already? ...PROSTANOZOL...Cr2.....Ultra Hotter ...... Need I say more?

No offense but if you did retire or never came into the market, we'd still have Superdrol, Pheraplex and Rebound. You really haven't done anything novel. Sledge's retirement would be the worst.

 

[milwood]

thanks, Author.
Regarding the original concern, is there a possibility that even though its efficacy is increased via methylation, the process would be a greater strain on the liver? If so, perhaps a methylated and a non-methylated formula could be an idea. If not, then never mind. I seriously have no idea, and therefore look to you guys to enlighten me. A legit concern to address, however, as most of us put pretty good strains on the liver anyway.

If you already put this to rest, I apologize. I didn't see it.

RAVEN, you wanna take a stab at this one?

 

[milwood]

actually, aflex has just informed me that the potential added toxicity is just about as close to nothing as you can get. Thanks.

 

[Yagman]

Ya I know...Author just sits on his ass all day....Max LMG ,,,,N'Gorge....doesnt do squat for the industry....Ergomax.....Emax.....Retain.....I mean geez Author will ya get off your ass already? ...PROSTANOZOL...Cr2.....Ultra Hotter ...... Need I say more?

I'm just a bit tired of Author threatening to take his ball and go home. Whatever, Bobo clearly doesn't want me to speak my mind so I'll move on. Getting answers in the ALRI forum is like pulling teeth anyway. Something that never happens over at Designer.

 

[Anarchy939]

woooo, I just got my Ultra HOTter in from suppkings! Only took one day!

 

[size]

No worries guys, he probably chants verses from the "PA Bible."

This is not true. Yagman is critical of PA as well but I do disagree with Yagman about ALR.

 

[Adaml]

I enquired into the subject of the thread with 'supplement Kings' and this is thier reply:

'It is not harder on the liver. people make the mistake of thinking that because something is methylated it is harder on the liver. Fact is it is probably about 1/100th as hard as tylenol is on the liver.'