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JudgementDay said:
Ya I'd like to see Cain Velasquez box with an average 140lbs boxer wearing MMA gloves and just box.....bye bye boxer lol


Boxer vs MMA fighter in a boxing match= boxer wins

Boxer vs MMA fighter in a MMA fight= MMA fighter wins

Boxer vs MMA fighter in a kickboxing match= MMA fighter wins

Boxer vs MMA fighter in a grappling match= MMA fighter wins


Thats just how the cookie crumbles :nana:
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If you were to take Cain Velasquez and put him in the ring with the ghost of Arturo Gatti, it would last a little over 30 seconds, with Cain waking up in the dressing room wondering how a ghost can still be effective at counter punching.

Use some perspective. Lesnar became a champion after how many pro fights? In boxing that would be damn near impossible, where size has less to do with it, than pure skill. If Lesnar were 15-0 in boxing and you were to put him in the ring with a top 5 fighter, you'd have your license revoked and he would be in the hospital. You can't intelligently compare boxing vs MMA in terms of their popularity. Boxing boasts names like Muhammad Ali and is stoked in tradition. MMA just popped up in the mainstream only a few short years ago. To properly judge both sports and their impact with the public, both sports would have to be judged against time and in that vein boxing takes the belt.
 
southpaw23 said:
If you were to take Cain Velasquez and put him in the ring with the ghost of Arturo Gatti, it would last a little over 30 seconds, with Cain waking up in the dressing room wondering how a ghost can still be effective at counter punching.

Use some perspective. Lesnar became a champion after how many pro fights? In boxing that would be damn near impossible, where size has less to do with it, than pure skill. If Lesnar were 15-0 in boxing and you were to put him in the ring with a top 5 fighter, you'd have your license revoked and he would be in the hospital. You can't intelligently compare boxing vs MMA in terms of their popularity. Boxing boasts names like Muhammad Ali and is stoked in tradition. MMA just popped up in the mainstream only a few short years ago. To properly judge both sports and their impact with the public, both sports would have to be judged against time and in that vein boxing takes the belt.
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The record thing is something that is always brought up, but you have to look at it in context. When you look at the records of most top MMA guys, very few of them are cans with the exception of the beginning of their careers. However, it can take over 30-40 fights before a boxer gets someone of merit. To boxing, the record is everything and I can think of very few guys that do not fall fall guilty to "record padding."

If a fighter in MMA starts out with 10 wins without a loss, it is a hell of a beginning to a career, but if a boxer loses that early, it puts a huge dent into his record. The only boxer I can think of with an early loss and still become elite is Pacquiao. To my knowledge, the best official beginning to a career post-NSAC clearance is Diego Sanchez at 17-0 (I say official because of the BS loss on Fedor's record to TK).

Lesnar become champ because of 20 years of amateur wrestling experience including a DI championship with a 105-6 record during college. Yes, he's a huge dude, but he's also a freak athlete.

Impact also depends largely upon culture. In Brazil, Japan, Russia, Thailand, etc., traditional western boxing has very low cultural impact while BJJ, Judo, Muay Thai, Sambo, Vale Tudo, etc. have a much higher cultural impact. MMA as we know it is really only about 15 years old, but the concept of having different arts compete against each other goes back well over 70 years in Brazil, which is really the Motherland of MMA.
 
Fair point, however, boxers are brought along slowly to maximize their potential, more so than to simply pad their records. As an example, Fernando Vargas was thrown into the lion's den after having only 20 pro bouts to his name, against the likes of Felix Tito Trinidad; and consequently was never the same after that. If he were given the chance to mature both mentally and physically, presumably he could have gone down as one of the best fighters of his generation, based solely on his talent level. Boxers have a short lifespan to maximize both their potential and their pocket books.

I agree that MMA is more popular in certain areas of the world, however, if you have one of their countryman fighting for a title in boxing, it will capture their imagination and the entire country, much like Manny Pac has. More over he doesn't speak English, yet was still granted an SI cover, and was a first seat guest on Leno, Letterman and Kimmel. Some of the biggest fights in boxing history were fought internationally, in places like Manila and Zaire. Everyone has heard of the "Thrilla in Manila", not so sure everyone has heard about "Lesnar/Couture". History speaks to my general point.

I think MMA has it's place. To argue that it's more popular than boxing, would need to be argued in context, given that it's only been given a mainstream outlet in the past few years. It would need another 20 to justify that argument while steeping itself in tradition, much like Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Leonard among many others have come to define boxing and become A-List celebrities outside of their respective sport.
 
southpaw23 said:
Fair point, however, boxers are brought along slowly to maximize their potential, more so than to simply pad their records. As an example, Fernando Vargas was thrown into the lion's den after having only 20 pro bouts to his name, against the likes of Felix Tito Trinidad; and consequently was never the same after that. If he were given the chance to mature both mentally and physically, presumably he could have gone down as one of the best fighters of his generation, based solely on his talent level. Boxers have a short lifespan to maximize both their potential and their pocket books.

I agree that MMA is more popular in certain areas of the world, however, if you have one of their countryman fighting for a title in boxing, it will capture their imagination and the entire country, much like Manny Pac has. More over he doesn't speak English, yet was still granted an SI cover, and was a first seat guest on Leno, Letterman and Kimmel. Some of the biggest fights in boxing history were fought internationally, in places like Manila and Zaire. Everyone has heard of the "Thrilla in Manila", not so sure everyone has heard about "Lesnar/Couture". History speaks to my general point.

I think MMA has it's place. To argue that it's more popular than boxing, would need to be argued in context, given that it's only been given a mainstream outlet in the past few years. It would need another 20 to justify that argument while steeping itself in tradition, much like Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Leonard among many others have come to define boxing and become A-List celebrities outside of their respective sport.
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I think the current state of affairs of the HW division dispels this point.
 
Rodja said:
I think the current state of affairs of the HW division dispels this point.
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With respect to the heavyweight division, which was once seen as the glamor division, I agree with you; however, it's only one division out of many. Luckily boxing has multiple divisions, filled with a lot of young talent, and that bodes well for the future of the sport. Again this isn't an MMA bash, it does have it's place. To compare it to boxing in terms of popularity in my opinion is a bit disingenuous, given that it's still relatively new to the "mainstream". The litmus test will be in 20 years from now, will MMA have it's own version of a Muhammad Ali, Leonard, Duran, Armstrong, Marciano, Tyson etc.
 
southpaw23 said:
With respect to the heavyweight division, which was once seen as the glamor division, I agree with you; however, it's only one division out of many. Luckily boxing has multiple divisions, filled with a lot of talent, and that bodes well for the future of the sport.
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However, the phrase "HW Champion of the World" used to be amongst the most prestigious titles in all of sports, but it means very, very little now. There is just something about the HW division that captivates people and plays a huge role in the overall health of the sport.

I think to say that the future of boxing is secure is a tad too arrogant in the sense that the overall popularity of boxing has tailed immensely because of the lack of an infusion of fresh, captivating talent. For better or worse, the marketing of a fighter plays a huge role and this is where boxing has really faltered. There is a rich history of characters in boxing, but it really seems like that could be a thing of the past as the scumbag promoters have really taken over the sport and delay the fights for years and years. Even if they do happen, it's often too late as the luster of the matchup has ended (I'm not saying that this doesn't happen in MMA because it does and there's 1 person to blame for it).
 
Rodja said:
However, the phrase "HW Champion of the World" used to be amongst the most prestigious titles in all of sports, but it means very, very little now. There is just something about the HW division that captivates people and plays a huge role in the overall health of the sport.

I think to say that the future of boxing is secure is a tad too arrogant in the sense that the overall popularity of boxing has tailed immensely because of the lack of an infusion of fresh, captivating talent. For better or worse, the marketing of a fighter plays a huge role and this is where boxing has really faltered. There is a rich history of characters in boxing, but it really seems like that could be a thing of the past as the scumbag promoters have really taken over the sport and delay the fights for years and years. Even if they do happen, it's often too late as the luster of the matchup has ended (I'm not saying that this doesn't happen in MMA because it does and there's 1 person to blame for it).
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MMA and boxing have vastly different business models. MMA is controlled/governed under one entity (Dana White) with the top fighter not even making a fraction of what a mid-level fighter featured on a boxing PPV would make, or generate from a live gate.

In terms of raw marketing, I like the direction that Dana White has taken, especially with the rumor that he plans to create his own network, which is a game changer. If you could forgo the networks then you're ahead of the game. Dana White was losing money until the UFC made it's reality tv debut, which showcased the sport to a much broader audience. I don't think the heavyweight division is as important as it use to be, with respect to the long term health of the sport. Even when Lennox Lewis was the heavyweight champion, boxing's most popular figure was Oscar Dela Hoya. As long as you have a mixture of talent coupled with a dynamic personality, then you're back in business. Manny and May possess both.

Boxing needs a uniformed commission, however, that would alter the current business model, affecting both the fighter and their promoter, which is why it hasn't happened yet. Having said that, the last few boxing PPV's were all successful, with some even breaking prior records for both purses made and live gate. Boxing moving away from networks like ABC and CBS, have been detrimental to the sport in terms of marketability, however, fighting on HBO (subscription model) brings in a lot more money to the fighters and promoters; it's a catch 22. Both boxing and MMA will ultimately thrive; albeit through different mechanisms.
 
Im a big fan of both sports. Both have amazing skill sets of their own. MMA is so much more diverse, giving the fighter much more to worry about. Which is technical is its own way. Because you dont know if the guy will punch, kick, knee, or take you down for G&P or to set up a sub. In boxing its much more artful since all you use is footwork, body movement, and your hands.

Overall I prefer MMA but a great boxing fight is tough to beat by a top MMA fight. I miss the old days when you seen great fights and fighters on free TV. I remember watching my favorite fighter Thomas Hitman Hearns on Wide World of Sports. Boxing lead to its own demise. By no means am I saying its dead, but its fading fast while MMA is steadily rising.
 
primetime74 said:
Im a big fan of both sports. Both have amazing skill sets of their own. MMA is so much more diverse, giving the fighter much more to worry about. Which is technical is its own way. Because you dont know if the guy will punch, kick, knee, or take you down for G&P or to set up a sub. In boxing its much more artful since all you use is footwork, body movement, and your hands.

Overall I prefer MMA but a great boxing fight is tough to beat by a top MMA fight. I miss the old days when you seen great fights and fighters on free TV. I remember watching my favorite fighter Thomas Hitman Hearns on Wide World of Sports. Boxing lead to its own demise. By no means am I saying its dead, but its fading fast while MMA is steadily rising.
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Agreed!

Guys like Tommy Hearns, Ray leonard, marvin hagler, Tyson Watching guys like them box is entertaining, time to time I still have to watch some good old boxing matches on youtube.

But the last few fights I've seen with Mayweather I just can't get into it.
 
Objectively speaking, the UFC has dominated boxing in pay-per-view buyrates, revenue, and television ratings over the past three-and-a-half years. Unless there is some other measure of popularity that I am unaware of - one obviously not related to the purchasing behavior of consumers who endorse a given sport - that particular point is moot. UFC is, for and at the moment, more popular, successful, and profitable than boxing. (I would say MMA in-general, here, but truthfully speaking the UFC commands this attention moreso than all the other promotions combined.)

This owes itself to many factors, not the least of which being the [at best] tepid state of boxing's heavyweight division, the inability of major promoters to capitalize on the largest fight(s) currently possible (Pacquiao/Mayweather) and the abject failure of boxing as a sport to remain relevant in the contemporary sports narrative. Fairly or not, boxing has come to be seen as antiquated, and the consequence is an increasingly aging demographic who is less inclined to purchase, and who is therefore unable to keep boxing "popular."

As for the argument on tradition, I find this an ineffective rubric for measuring the worth of a particular sport. Competitive chess, and ringette, and lacrosse have their traditions, does this mean they captivate the current sports audience? A feat, again, that is necessary to proclaim something as "popular." Tradition is a function of time as much as it is quality and we cannot project hypothetically forward in time in order to assess a thing's current popularity.

As for Lesnar and the amount of pro fights, I believe I did a summation of similar phenomenon in boxing on the previous page.
 
I think the decline in boxing is because everything is a PPV now or you have to have HBO or Showtime to watch the more known fighters. I love boxing but neither channel is close to being worth price to watch a good fight once or twice a month. As I mentioned in 80s and earlier you got the best fighters in the world fighting on network TV for free. ESPN only showcases up and commers with an ocassional semi big name.

With the UFC they have a PPV every month and or free shows sometimes. So its a bit easier to follow the UFC. Most people call MMA, Ultimate Fighting.
 
With MMA around there will never be a Tyson and without heavyweights like Tyson boxing will slowly fall honestly. It is a shame but frankly you have a better career in MMA. With boxing you lose once and you're done practically except for those select few.
 
primetime74 said:
I think the decline in boxing is because everything is a PPV now or you have to have HBO or Showtime to watch the more known fighters. I love boxing but neither channel is close to being worth price to watch a good fight once or twice a month. As I mentioned in 80s and earlier you got the best fighters in the world fighting on network TV for free. ESPN only showcases up and commers with an ocassional semi big name.

With the UFC they have a PPV every month and or free shows sometimes. So its a bit easier to follow the UFC. Most people call MMA, Ultimate Fighting.
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You hit the nail on the head. MMA reaches more households, because boxing requires the purchase of "premium" subscriptions in order to watch the matches. What is the average cost of a boxing ppv vs an MMA ppv? Based on that scale, it doesn't require much common sense to determine which generates more money. Additionally, MMA has a PPV event basically every month, boxing offers 2-3 max a year.

As previously stated, boxing has a long standing tradition, boasting athletes who have gone on to become national icons, such as Muhammad Ali. MMA has a long way to go before it steeps itself in that kind of tradition. Its most popular attraction was a guy who use to jump off a turnbuckle against guys named "The Undertaker", and then tried out for every sport short of badminton before he found one that actually stuck. Pac's last two fights generated more money for him in a year, than most MMA fighters will see in a career. MMA is popular "now", let's see how that holds up years from now, then you can draw a proper comparison, until then boxing by TKO.

Since the UFC is privately held and does not release revenue reports, then who knows how much they are actually generating? I've heard numbers that are all over the place.
 
southpaw23 said:
You hit the nail on the head. MMA reaches more households, because boxing requires the purchase of "premium" subscriptions in order to watch the matches. What is the average cost of a boxing ppv vs an MMA ppv? Based on that scale, it doesn't require much common sense to determine which generates more money. Additionally, MMA has a PPV event basically every month, boxing offers 2-3 max a year.

As previously stated, boxing has a long standing tradition, boasting athletes who have gone on to become national icons, such as Muhammad Ali. MMA has a long way to go before it steeps itself in that kind of tradition. Its most popular attraction was a guy who use to jump off a turnbuckle against guys named "The Undertaker", and then tried out for every sport short of badminton before he found one that actually stuck. Pac's last two fights generated more money for him in a year, than most MMA fighters will see in a career. MMA is popular "now", let's see how that holds up years from now, then you can draw a proper comparison, until then boxing by TKO.

Since the UFC is privately held and does not release revenue reports, then who knows how much they are actually generating? I've heard numbers that are all over the place.
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Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
 
Motox said:
Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
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I just don't see how a proper comparison can be made between two distinctly different sports, with entirely different business models. I don't pretend to understand MMA and have no issue admitting that. To my eyes it looks like something you see at a bar at around 2am, with some frat guys suffering from aggression issues, while simultaneusly enjoying the feeling of rolling shirtless or in affliction t-shirt together, but hey that's just me. I'm kidding of course! I think MMA offers exciting packaging and it's marketed well to young kids, for that I give Dana credit.
 
Motox said:
Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
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I just don't see how a proper comparison can be made between two distinctly different sports, with entirely different business models. I don't pretend to understand MMA and have no issue admitting that. To my eyes it looks like something you see at a bar at around 2am, with some frat guys suffering from aggression issues, while simultaneously enjoying the feeling of rolling around shirtless or in an affliction t-shirt together, but hey that's just me. I'm kidding of course! I think MMA offers exciting packaging and it's marketed well to young kids, for that I give Dana credit.
 
southpaw23 said:
I just don't see how a proper comparison can be made between two distinctly different sports, with entirely different business models. I don't pretend to understand MMA and have no issue admitting that. To my eyes it looks like something you see at a bar at around 2am, with some frat guys suffering from aggression issues, while simultaneously enjoying the feeling of rolling around shirtless or in an affliction t-shirt together, but hey that's just me. I'm kidding of course! I think MMA offers exciting packaging and it's marketed well to young kids, for that I give Dana credit.
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To ramble on unabated about something you know so little about is truly impressive, sir!
 
Motox said:
Can anyone name an MMA fight that was as entertaining as Pacman's last two fights?
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Hmmm, let's see...

Swanson/Semrzier
Jung/Garcia
Akiyama/Leben
Homonick/Jabouin

And that's all this year and off the top of my head.


southpaw23 said:
You hit the nail on the head. MMA reaches more households, because boxing requires the purchase of "premium" subscriptions in order to watch the matches. What is the average cost of a boxing ppv vs an MMA ppv? Based on that scale, it doesn't require much common sense to determine which generates more money. Additionally, MMA has a PPV event basically every month, boxing offers 2-3 max a year.

As previously stated, boxing has a long standing tradition, boasting athletes who have gone on to become national icons, such as Muhammad Ali. MMA has a long way to go before it steeps itself in that kind of tradition. Its most popular attraction was a guy who use to jump off a turnbuckle against guys named "The Undertaker", and then tried out for every sport short of badminton before he found one that actually stuck. Pac's last two fights generated more money for him in a year, than most MMA fighters will see in a career. MMA is popular "now", let's see how that holds up years from now, then you can draw a proper comparison, until then boxing by TKO.

Since the UFC is privately held and does not release revenue reports, then who knows how much they are actually generating? I've heard numbers that are all over the place.
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A boxing PPV is actually more expensive than a UFC PPV. I guess every ignorant boxing fan always loves to use Lesnar as their example to de-legitimize MMA, but they always agnore Lesnar's 15 years of wrestling experience and the fact he won a D1 National Championship.

I hate to break it to people, but wrestling is amongst the oldest martial arts out there and is a significant part of MMA.

Motox said:
Mayweather vs marquez generated 1 mill pp buys, it takes 5 ufc fights to generate that. MMA will never be a sport until Dana White steps down. MMA fighters are fast food fighters; it takes a year to build a pro mma fighter instead of the ten years it takes to build a pro boxer
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Please, do some research before spouting off about buy-rates of PPV.
 
Lesnar was the number one PPV draw in the UFC. The most recent PPV numbers substantiate that, however, since the UFC is a privately held company, we aren't privy to the actual numbers. I was simply offering some perspective on how Lesnar was marketed. I saw some individuals taking a swipe at boxing, and clearly they don't understand the sport, much in the same way I admit to not fully understanding MMA. I've attended live events with respect to both sports. Again - both sports offer something unique. UFC does in fact hold the record for PPV, however, that doesn't tell the whole story relative to revenue.

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Or conversely, someone who consistently attempts to intellectualize trivial topics is also quite impressive in their own right.
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Exactly! I wonder who would do such a thing?

Fair point, however, boxers are brought along slowly to maximize their potential, more so than to simply pad their records. As an example, Fernando Vargas was thrown into the lion's den after having only 20 pro bouts to his name, against the likes of Felix Tito Trinidad; and consequently was never the same after that. If he were given the chance to mature both mentally and physically, presumably he could have gone down as one of the best fighters of his generation, based solely on his talent level. Boxers have a short lifespan to maximize both their potential and their pocket books.

I agree that MMA is more popular in certain areas of the world, however, if you have one of their countryman fighting for a title in boxing, it will capture their imagination and the entire country, much like Manny Pac has. More over he doesn't speak English, yet was still granted an SI cover, and was a first seat guest on Leno, Letterman and Kimmel. Some of the biggest fights in boxing history were fought internationally, in places like Manila and Zaire. Everyone has heard of the "Thrilla in Manila", not so sure everyone has heard about "Lesnar/Couture". History speaks to my general point.

I think MMA has it's place. To argue that it's more popular than boxing, would need to be argued in context, given that it's only been given a mainstream outlet in the past few years. It would need another 20 to justify that argument while steeping itself in tradition, much like Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Leonard among many others have come to define boxing and become A-List celebrities outside of their respective sport.
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pacman is the only savior boxing has right now. without him... fight fans will slowly transfer over to mma. the love of the science of boxing keeps boxing fans loyal...but thats because they understand boxing...mma is new, and the knowledge is growing daily, so as the fans become more educated the the faster it grows..
 
I have seen this discussion so many times and do not really get it.It is like saying which is better (american) football or rugby.Two totally different sports (which has already been stated).I like most sports and most combat sports. I do not get why people who prefer boxing have to say anything other than that they prefer boxing.I don't know that I have ever heard someone who prefered mma to boxing attack boxing until mma was first attacked.

Anyone can talk about technique but the fact is perfect technique will change on where and how to hold your hands if you are strictly boxing or if you have to worry about someone shooting on you.And shooting technique and how you set it up will change if you have to deal with the possibility of being guillotined.

And the class thing, really? Ask someone who likes tennis how classy they think boxing is.Not to mention did not one of the best boxers in the heavy weight division bite someones ear off in the ring.
 
JudgementDay said:
I can't wait to see Randy Couture beat James Toney, then no one can say boxing guys can beat MMA guys...and I would love to see Mayweather fight the guys he has with 4 oz gloves.
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James toney! Ha! He's been bottom rank for years yet he still mops the floor with any top ufc fighters in a boxing match! A boxer has better chances in mma than any mma fighters in boxing even with b class competition.nuff said.
 
I've done both on an amateur level, so if Im watching I'd prefer MMA, if I'm particpating I'll take boxing....less likely to get my ass kicked, literally :laughing:
 
Both. MMA & Boxing. But I can't stand to watch sloppy fighting [not that I'm any good]. Gotta love them quick left hooks & uppercuts. Fav. fighters: Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Mike Tyson, Pacquiao, GSP, Anderson Silva, Quinton Jackson
 
It's apples and oranges. The only reason this debate even exists is money: I have yet to hear a great debate regarding Boxing v K-1.
 
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It's apples and oranges.
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Agreed! To say that one is better than the other I believe is why MMA was begun. It was an arena for fighters of all disciplines to come together and compare. It became a melding of disciplines that were proven to work best most often. To go into a debate about would a boxer stand a chance in an MMA fight is foolish. The MMA fighter has too many avenues of attack/ deffense and counter attack. Same with putting say a guy who only knows wrestling in against an MMA fighter. Same thing, wrestler loses because of lack of training in other areas. Not to say there aren't exceptions to this out there but you get my point. To compare conditioning is also foolish. Sure there are guys that slack off on conditioning in hopes of getting a quick win. For the most part, conditioning is the main thing for pretty much all "real" sports out there! Begin practice with conditioning, work on skills, drills, more conditioning while going through the drills and then at the end of practice/ training -- yep you guessed Vit more conditioning! You can't tell me that flipping a big tractor tire over and over isn't good conditioning. Spending long periods working the bags too. Any top athlete in any sport is going to spend countless hours on conditioning or they won't stay at the top long at all. To the guy that said wrestling doesn't take much conditioning, how much energy do you think it takes to physically dominate another man of the same size for several minutes!? It is very key!! There is a tremendous amount of energy required to match strength with another man and try to block his attempts to get the best of you all the while trying to get the best of him. I think that is one of the oldest forms of training. Today they call it resistance training. You might try it some time, it can be more difficult than it looks!
 
Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
 

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Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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Turnitup122 said:
Ufc is more fun to watch most of the time but to tell u the truth sometimes it just feels a bit gay. I know that sounds ignorant but when theyre just on the ground in holds for most of the match it just feels plain gay. I think boxing takes a little more discipline to train for though
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Lol.
 
Ufc's on spike right now . Why the frig do they have that gay ass wwe fake wrestling **** on spike now??? God I hate that crap
 
n.Boxing.When I watch MMA,I see very few people with any true fighting skills,just a bunch of homos who want to wrestle with each oyher.Personally.I never wanted to have that much contact with a man,especially one that is only partially clothed.
Also,there is no honor in MMA.The way I was raised,you never hit a man when he is down.
As far as favorite fighters go list in order: Alexis Arguello(RIP) Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas"Hitman"Hearns and "Marvelous"Marvin Hagler.
 
Conagher said:
n.Boxing.When I watch MMA,I see very few people with any true fighting skills,just a bunch of homos who want to wrestle with each oyher.Personally.I never wanted to have that much contact with a man,especially one that is only partially clothed.
Also,there is no honor in MMA.The way I was raised,you never hit a man when he is down.
As far as favorite fighters go list in order: Alexis Arguello(RIP) Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas"Hitman"Hearns and "Marvelous"Marvin Hagler.
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Alexis Arguello was a beast. I'm not much of a Floyd Mayweather fan, but he has a quote regarding how the MMA brand was built, who it's marketed towards and why. I like some of the Brazilian fighters though, as they tend be more athletic and versatile, but the ground stuff bores the crap out of me.
 
southpaw23 said:
Alexis Arguello was a beast. I'm not much of a Floyd Mayweather fan, but he has a quote regarding how the MMA brand was built, who it's marketed towards and why. I like some of the Brazilian fighters though, as they tend be more athletic and versatile, but the ground stuff bores the crap out of me.
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Yes he was.As ferocious as he was in the ring,they say he was every bit a gentle man outside of.Agreed on the ground stuff.I will watch some MMA until the guys take it to the ground,and then I am done with it.

Then you have the Affliction crowd with all the UFC apparel.These people annoy the hell out of me.I found out a long time ago if a person has to advertise they are tough,then they aren`t.
 
Conagher said:
Yes he was.As ferocious as he was in the ring,they say he was every bit a gentle man outside of.Agreed on the ground stuff.I will watch some MMA until the guys take it to the ground,and then I am done with it.

Then you have the Affliction crowd with all the UFC apparel.These people annoy the hell out of me.I found out a long time ago if a person has to advertise they are tough,then they aren`t.
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Oh c'mon! You mean you're not into dudes who rock a size "smedium" tap out T, with a ton of bedazzler on it? You should see my Halloween costume. :)
 
Conagher said:
n.Boxing.When I watch MMA,I see very few people with any true fighting skills,just a bunch of homos who want to wrestle with each oyher.Personally.I never wanted to have that much contact with a man,especially one that is only partially clothed.
Also,there is no honor in MMA.The way I was raised,you never hit a man when he is down.
As far as favorite fighters go list in order: Alexis Arguello(RIP) Sugar Ray Leonard Thomas"Hitman"Hearns and "Marvelous"Marvin Hagler.
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Totally. Dudes touching each other is so gay, makes me uncomfortable as well - which, by the way, is a totally normal, heterosexual response to watching an athletic event involving two men.

Personally, I prefer watching two men wearing knee-high latex boots and satin boxer shorts repeatedly hug one another. (Particularly, I love it when they have masculine nicknames like, "Sugar," "Marvelous," "Pretty Boy," "Winky," and "Golden Boy.") I mean, come on, the only thing more hetero than that is posting on a forum where 90% of the users (such as myself and Southpaw, here) display semi-nude photos of themselves for other men to see. AM I RIGHT!?

Condescension aside - which you deserve, by the way, for not only coming off as unfortunately uncomfortable with your own sexuality and homophobic, but ignorant as well - these characterizations are trite and silly. I can understand not enjoying the sport from an athletic standpoint, disagreeable as I may find the possible arguments for it, but reducing the argument to, "So gay, bro" makes you come off like a petulant frat boy.

More than that, it makes both boxing and MMA fans appear as if we are one-dimensional caricatures incapable of appreciating athletics in general. From my perspective, that is untrue: the majority of people with whom I watch MMA also watch boxing, and vice versa. Finally, the 'Affliction bro' is as or more annoying to me than it is to you, mostly because it is an inaccurate and unfair characterization.
 
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