Tri-Max

trimax with sesathin off cycle

I'm using tri-max off cycle to get rid of bf. Also using sesathin. Just started both. I hope to keep LBM by keeping cals moderate to high, constant feeding, extra protein (esp. night time; before bed and maybe during the night.) After 2 weeks, I'll use ECA, guggl, and sesathin, layoff tri-max. We'll see how it goes. If I start shedding muscle, I'll adjust.
 
jweave23 said:
On my second cycle of it with no adrogens this time :eek: I'm through with PCT and cutting. I've lost almost 10lbs in 2 weeks, but a little of that is definitely muscle. My lifts are down, which sucks, but more importantly so is my waist and bf%!!

I'm at the "I don't give a f***, I need to lose fat!!" stage now, so this is expected. Very pleased, I've had great results each cycle. BTW my GF is down about 10 lbs after a 4 week cycle :)
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Question for you and SS. How long between cycles for Trimax use? It seems to me that SS was just on this **** not too long ago.

Milwood - I haven't seen anyone use Trimax this way so keep us posted. I mean people have used it with no androgens but not as a part of PCT (as far as I know...could be wrong).
 
Ya, SS I thought your thyroid values were still way down from your last T3 cycle? Your back on this? And arent you on a giant steroid cycle at the moment too?
 
SJA said:
Question for you and SS. How long between cycles for Trimax use? It seems to me that SS was just on this **** not too long ago.

Milwood - I haven't seen anyone use Trimax this way so keep us posted. I mean people have used it with no androgens but not as a part of PCT (as far as I know...could be wrong).
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4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on
 
Thanks JW...I'm about to try it for the first time and was thinking of going 2 weeks (pyramid). What does your 4 week dosing look like?
 
Enigma76 said:
Ya, SS I thought your thyroid values were still way down from your last T3 cycle? Your back on this? And arent you on a giant steroid cycle at the moment too?
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I was off Tri-Max for at least 6 weeks from the last time, and my thyroid values have been going up slightly every time I tested them, though I haven't tested them for some time now. And yes I am on a giant legal steroid cycle at the moment :p 1050mg 1-test cyp/week, 1339mg Sldge test/week, M5AA, and I'm about to drop the M5AA and add M1,4, M1T, or M4OHN or a comination of two of them. :eek: Then I'm coming off for awhile, then I think I'll go over to the dark side for a long fall/winter bulk with Test prop, tren, dbol. :D
 
When using something like Metabolics Dermacort for PCT, do you apply it to ab fat to try to spot reduce like absolved, or to muscular areas for systemic uptake like with T1-pro? Probably a stupid question :rolleyes:
 
supersoldier said:
I was off Tri-Max for at least 6 weeks from the last time, and my thyroid values have been going up slightly every time I tested them, though I haven't tested them for some time now. And yes I am on a giant legal steroid cycle at the moment :p 1050mg 1-test cyp/week, 1339mg Sldge test/week, M5AA, and I'm about to drop the M5AA and add M1,4, M1T, or M4OHN or a comination of two of them. :eek: Then I'm coming off for awhile, then I think I'll go over to the dark side for a long fall/winter bulk with Test prop, tren, dbol. :D
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Why are you chillin on the M5AA?
 
supersoldier said:
Acne is killing me.
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Have you tried B5 yet? I haven't had any sides from the M5AA yet....other than strength :D Did you use it even on non lifting days?
 
SJA said:
Have you tried B5 yet? I haven't had any sides from the M5AA yet....other than strength :D Did you use it even on non lifting days?
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Yes, I'm currently using B5, and yes, I use it twice a day every day.
 
Do you think it's a bad idea to stop taking Tri-Max, and then start 7-keto about a week later. The reason I ask, I really wanna stop taking it ASAP, so I can start gaining strength back, but I won't have money for supplements until I get paid on the 1st. Keep in mind I'm on a hefty sum of androgens.
 
SS,

Hah! you didn't learn the first time, did you? trimax is good for losing fat, but you lose everything else too...

i don't think it's going to kill you to wait a week...in any case, since you don't have any 7-keto, what difference does it make?

you might want to grab some guggul in the meantime though, stuff is cheap.

fiddler
 
I haven't lost much in terms of strength this time, but I just feel like I'm pushing myself to get through my workout now, where before I was fighting my temptations to stay in the gym and throw around heavy ass **** for hours. And plus my bench is sorry :frustrate, and with the amount of androgens I'm on I should be gaining strength like crazy.
 
supersoldier said:
I haven't lost much in terms of strength this time, but I just feel like I'm pushing myself to get through my workout now, where before I was fighting my temptations to stay in the gym and throw around heavy ass **** for hours. And plus my bench is sorry :frustrate, and with the amount of androgens I'm on I should be gaining strength like crazy.
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eat more food.
 
I plan on doing a 2 week Trimax cycle and adding in 300 mg 1-ad ed (and a light dose of
transdermal 4-ad to avoid lethargy etc.). I only have 1 bottle of 1-ad and I'm completely
broke so I won't be adding anything else in. That means a 20 day supplyof 1-ad. My question is do you think that I should start the 1-ad and Trimax at the same time or wait a couple
of days to add in the 1-ad since most people don't notice much from Trimax in the
first couple of days?
I would like to be on the 1-ad for a while after stopping the Trimax while my metabolism
normalizes so this is why i am considering adding it after a couple of days.
 
If its like t3, even the first initial dose won't peak until 24-36 hours. Waiting a couple days (2-3 I'd, not much longer) is not a bad idea, although the androgens take time to kick in as well.

In reply to SS, I definetly hear ya. Im on a solid dose of t3 right now and despite the androgens, sometimes I feel like my lungs are gonna burst. The first set is good, but later ones often suffer. But if you want real pain....try ckd+t3+m1T+ HIIT. You get uhhhhhh. Thats tomorrow.
 
tri-max to date

I am 1 week in, using tri-max and sesathin, again to lose bf. I resisted temptation to ramp up dose after 5 days as planned, because I know the stuff is strong and I'm off cycle now week 6, including intensive 4 weeks PCT.So I'm staying at 2mg/day of tri. No major changes yet, and I don't seem flat or losing strength. Constant feeding, plenty of protein. I expect to see changes developing within the next week or 2. I might be blowing it by late night food consumption, which I struggle with. The protein and nuts are ok, its just that I tend to overdo it. I'll stay after it and post any results.
 
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Ok...this am I did a back workout, and I felt a bit weak. I didn't get enough hours sleep, so that may be a big part. I also read that Sesathin will lower test level, and thus decided to stop it for now (week 6 post cycle, I'm interested in restoring test, not limiting it.) I'm mixing in EC instead, save the Sesathin for on-cycle cutting. Everything else is cool, keeping up cals, but hopefullly not via late night feeding frenzy.
 
Wow, I guess I'm the only guy on the board, maybe the f*ck*ng planet who has not lost one SINGLE ounce while on Trimax. And it was a 4-WEEK cycle.

Wonderful...typical...I'm cursed! :frustrate
 
I know I need to up my calories after tri-max, but you think it's a good idea to

use ECA stack right after tri-max to keep fat coming back on?
 
there are some concerns about using stimulants post thyroid meds. Stress on the adrenals and recovery may be compromised according to some. I am not sure myself which boat I fall in. I am coming off a cycle of t3 so I am in somewhat the same situation.
 
I would agree with ECA and add that Sesathin and Gugglesterones are a must. I, on the other hand, only had Sesathin at the end of my Tri-Max cycle, and have gained weight back quite rapidly. I wont be making the same mistake next time.
 
supersoldier said:
IMO it's a must.
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If you are using Tyrosine for getting your normal thyroid function in order, be careful as I've read that there cna be a reaction between Tyrosine and E.
 
SJA said:
If you are using Tyrosine for getting your normal thyroid function in order, be careful as I've read that there cna be a reaction between Tyrosine and E.
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What kind of reaction? Please post a link to the article you are referring to as I am interested in this.
I have been running Tyrosine along with my ECA stack for the past 2-3 weeks with no noticed problems or side effects.
 
Scottyo said:
Like ALCAR, l-tyrosine can increase the stimulatory effects of EC.
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That is necessarily bad unless you are taking it later in the day. For myself, I have found that when I take Green Tea Extract (approx. 1 gram) along with my ECA stack that it reduces the stimulatory effects of the EC. Prob. the theanine in the green tea. I still have the stimulatory effect but I don't feel wired like just with the regular EC alone.
 
also, alcar and l-tyrosine seem to extend the life of stims...which I particularly like. I have found I can use a much lower dose of E and C to achieve what I want.
 
tri-max update

Just a note of interest, I stopped using tri-max completely, and will not use it again until I am on cycle. It is simply too catabolic, even with moderate to high cals. I seemed to be shrinking (muscles very flat) and I really didn't see BF reduction. I guess that's because muscle goes before fat. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend it without some PH/PS (or otherwise) help. Someone commented about this previously, and I now agree. Too bad I don't listen sometimes.
 
Why would one use moderate to high cals with a compound like this. I have seen a number of people state such and it makes ZERO sense. If the goal of trimax/t3 is to boost metabolism to lose more fat...then increasing cals will just give your increased metabolism more fuel to burn through before losing fat. You can't really have it both ways.....it does not preferentially burn carbs or fat over protein as does uncouplers like DNP. The solution is thus: get a strong androgen, dose it solidly, and cut cals moderately with a thryoid stim to get a significant calorie deficit.
Of course you feel flat on trimax, thats what thyroid stims will do to you. They can also make aerobic excercise a bitch at times, increase receptor sensitivity and other side effects. So why take the compound and its associated sides just to pussy foot it?
 
By the way...nothing personal. Ive noticed a few people have done similar strategies. Now if you mean moderate calories as in only a minor deficit, you might have a little merit in staving off muscle loss, but your still somewhat ineffectively using the compound.
 
tri-max saga continued...

yeah, what you're saying makes sense. Thanks, any input and info are appreciated. I was thinking that moderate cals keeps the metabolism stoked as normal, and slightly higher (esp. protein and constant feedings) keeps muscles fueled (and preserved) while using tri-max or the like. Then, theoretically, you would just burn cals/fat without slowing metabolism ( i.e. when dieting). My experience leads me to conclude that your theory is more sound than mine!:think: :) And definitely in regards to a good androgen dose. I wonder though just how much tri-max would potentially offset gains while "on", and if it would be worth it even at such a time?
 
If your using trimax.....focus on dieting. So gains are a secondary goal if that. Then pick a strong androgen, put cals fairly low (IMO I like using a "normal" calorie deficit of say 500-700 cals/day), and hit the trimax hard initially and taper slowly. As the taper ends, bring cals back up to rebound the thyroid, using the androgen for partitioning and that is when you might gain some muscle. If you want to use a thyroid supp for bulking or trying to gain, use a low dose t3 to upregulate protein synthesis and keep the fat off/partition. I think trimax is too hard to dose, and somewhat un-precise to give adequate advice on using it to bulk/gain.
 
Scottyo said:
If your using trimax.....focus on dieting. So gains are a secondary goal if that. Then pick a strong androgen, put cals fairly low (IMO I like using a "normal" calorie deficit of say 500-700 cals/day), and hit the trimax hard initially and taper slowly. As the taper ends, bring cals back up to rebound the thyroid, using the androgen for partitioning and that is when you might gain some muscle. If you want to use a thyroid supp for bulking or trying to gain, use a low dose t3 to upregulate protein synthesis and keep the fat off/partition. I think trimax is too hard to dose, and somewhat un-precise to give adequate advice on using it to bulk/gain.
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:goodpost: :thumbsup:

I lost too much muscle trying to use Tri-max the second time, I used it immediately after PCT from a long cycle. I love the product and was happy that I lost alot of fat, but the first run I had with it while on cycle really proved it's basically just like T3 in that regard...you can lose a ton of fat, but without AS it's not a good idea.
 
I've been off tri-max for 2 weeks now, I didn't gain any
fat back so far. I'm using sesathing oil, 7-oxo, nicotine gum. About 5
days ago started using H.E.A.T. Eating very clean at my maintance.
So far so good.:thumbsup:
I posted some pics last night, thread calls "few pics of myself"
 
I started a two week Trimax cycle this morning. I'll be running 1 cap per day until day 4 then I'll increase to 2 caps and taper off.

I'm not taking any androgens during the cycle. Yes, I know there's a high probability of muscle loss but I've just completed 4 weeks PCT from a PH cycle and want to give my body more of a break.

I'll post my results in week or two.
 
If you not using any androgens, I'd stay at 1 pill for 3 weeks, you

still will get good results with less muscle loss. Just my .02
 
I totally agree with the less tri-max dosing while not on androgens. You will lose lots of muscle on that stuff. It burns you up all right, but my experience recently leads me to conclude it is not to be used without androgen help for muscle sparing. If you absolutely have to try it, stick with 1 tab, but remember, muscle gets torched alot easier/quicker than fat, so without help, there is no defense. Especially if you're keeping cals low or moderate, which I assume you'll do when trying to lose BF. I logged my experience earlier here, and won't make that mistake again.
 
Thanks for the input guys. I'll try one cap for a week and evaluate my progress. I'm resigned to some muscle loss but it's a price I'll pay to remove some stubborn ad fat. I know I've been warned :-)
 
DmitryWI said:
If you not using any androgens, I'd stay at 1 pill for 3 weeks, you

still will get good results with less muscle loss. Just my .02
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If I wasn't taking any androgens, I wouldn't use Tri-Max at all. Redspy, have you used clen? I think it's a much better alternative if not wanting to use androgens.
 
supersoldier said:
If I wasn't taking any androgens, I wouldn't use Tri-Max at all. Redspy, have you used clen? I think it's a much better alternative if not wanting to use androgens.
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I ran a two week clen cycle a while ago and lost about 5lbs. I went up to 160mcg and was surprised how well my body tolerated it. The only thing I didn't like was the significantly raised pulse rate during workouts, even though I took it 12 hrs before (yes, i know it has a long half-life).

I appreciate your advice SS, I've been following your progress closely. Whatever muscle I lose I'll make up on my next clean bulk cycle using a low dose of M1T - I just want my liver in good shape before I do.
 
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