ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Amen!
Tren Liqua-Vade unleashed; limited run!
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bulldogz
Active member
yeah, you'll get shut down hard and quick also puffy nips prob...by no means was I going to start or even think about doin 202mg of tren ed, but I will stack it with something else
...but over on the PP forum someone took 202mg with no sides...just makes me wonder or unless he's just not prone to sides 
I'm doin the same as you, start with the 2ml ed 2 times for the first wk or two and cap it at 3 times ed for the duration...I've learned my lesson back when I did SD for the second time around...thought increasing the dose would be great...yeah, but sides where horrible...
wilsmash4food
Member
OMG WTF MFR. CANNOT believe i missed this, ive been at a training school and didnt even know about this coming out! DANGIT!!!! ugh...fml.
bulldogz
Active member
first...BigPR...your avi's are on point dog! 
another question...
PP claims tren lv is 2-4 times more powerfull than tab/pill form...so why are the recommended dosage between 135mg - 202.5mg ed?
If this is the case you would get the same amount of tren in tabs/pills and it would have been much, much cheaper...tren lv was not cheap!
another question...
PP claims tren lv is 2-4 times more powerfull than tab/pill form...so why are the recommended dosage between 135mg - 202.5mg ed?
If this is the case you would get the same amount of tren in tabs/pills and it would have been much, much cheaper...tren lv was not cheap!
SimplyDraven
Member
This question is being pondered in a few different threads on a few different boards. I (and many others) are very curious to hear the response from a PP rep. Yesterday over on the PP boards, Jeff (PP Rep), said he would pass this on to Eric so hopefully we will hear soon!
I am currently in week 2 of TREN LV @ 2mL 3x/ed with no sides yet whatsoever. I am cycling with SA LV also. My results are great so far, but I would still love to hear the explanation regarding the absorption of the LV in contrast with the tabs/pills and why the recommended dosages seem skewed.
bulldogz
Active member
yeah mang...I'm waitin over on that forum as well for answers...
hope you get great results on tren lv cycle bro!
SimplyDraven
Member
Thank you sir
UKStrength
Guest
Great thread, I'd concur with John on the cautious approach to taking Tren Liqua-Vade.
I'm sure Eric will get back with a response ASAP, when he does, we'll get it posted up.
Great you guys are following the log along though!
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I'm sure Eric will get back with a response ASAP, when he does, we'll get it posted up.
Great you guys are following the log along though!
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bulldogz
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bulldogz
Active member
^^ bump - anyword on this...thread below is were a PP reps states that tren lv is up to 4x more powerfull...the PP forum is very quite with this one...
Gain 20lbs of muscle in 6 weeks with TREN Liqua-Vade - Only 500 Bottles available - Anabolicminds.com - Page 4
SimplyDraven
Member
I also anxiously await response...
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Yes, that is correct, delivery is 3-4x better than a tablet or capsule with TREN LV.
That means that you need to be careful with the dosing on LV. We probably could have recommenced 1mL three times daily which would have still produced pretty solid results.
You dont even want to think about running the higher end dose with TREN LV unless you are prepared to deal with the sides.
-Eric
bulldogz
Active member
Thank you Eric...but I was not referring to the delivery in itself...one of your reps stated that the tren in the lv version is 4x more powerful than the tabs...but your suggested dosage is between 135mg - 202mg ed...that is the same as takin tabs/pills…so how is that more powerful?
Also, I can not get into the anabolic section while at work...go figure...but he stated that 45mg of tren lv is equal to about 90-120mg of tren pill/tab form...wish I can go into the anabolic section and quote him right now, but I can’t…but its in there….something is not right...
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
No response yet? Wow...I guess the bottom line is just to SELL, as evidenced by the onslaught of posts received about different PP products being on sale, that "x" amount of time is left, what have you. Not that I'm knocking their products (they are very good), but we'd also like quick responses to even the tough questions.
bulldogz
Active member
yessir...answers is what we need...and that's what I'm thinking, reps to a great job to just sell, sell..!!!
not knocking their products either, but these questions are being danced around or ignored...not cool imo....tren lv was not cheap mang!
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
And this I know...I bought two bottles!
hardknock
Well-known member
Eric usually will answer your Q's. He is normally pretty good at getting back to you. Probably better to PM him since he'll see that first before this thread...just saying.
hardknock
Well-known member
The TREN which I have seen is 50mg per pill. He must have mistyped when he stated 45mg of LV is more powerful than 2.5 TREN pills. I would think he meant 145mg?
bulldogz
Active member
I don't understand....
are you sayin that he meant to say 45mg of tren lv is more powerful than 2.5 tren pills?
If that's the case...that's still 125mg of tren in pill form...but they suggest takin 135-202.5mg of tren in their lv version and they say its 4 times more powerful than pill form...lv gets absored quicker, yes.....but how is lv more powerful?
MrBigPR
NutraPlanet Rep
The 4x more powerful could be that it hits your bloodstream quicker and less of the product is actually lost. Bioavailability is a big thing here and when you take everything in account you have a more potent product. You can't just take x amount and times by 4 to get the potency of this product, although that's what some people may see it as.
bulldogz
Active member
the explanation a PP rep gave in the anabolic section was that 2ml (which is 45mg of tren) is the same as 90-120mg in pill form
bulldogz
Active member
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
You're right. Id didnt answer within 14 minutes...
Jeez.. guess I need to stop taking lunch breaks...
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Im not sure where the confusion is here...
Yes, the TREN LV is up to 4x more powerful. That means if you take 200mg from TREN LV it would be comparable to 600-800mg/day tren tablets. As I said earlier, thats an insanely high dose and I would only recommend it to those that are 300lbs+ and/or ready to combat the side-effects.
-Eric
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Mmmm...sarcasm, my favorite. Besides, how many lunch breaks are taken when there's a sale?
MrBigPR
NutraPlanet Rep
It was literally about 14 minutes. No sarcasm there.
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Am I missing something? What question are you needing answered? I thought I answered his Q the first time around...
-Eric
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
"Jeez...guess I need to stop taking lunch breaks..." is NOT sarcasm?
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
The question was answered. Your post beat mine.
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
OK, Eric, let me play Devil's Advocate again: Since I have just started a six-week stack of this with AMS 4-AD, what else would I need to combat the side effects if I decided to take this dose for the last two weeks, since I am indeed over 300 lbs? SA Liqui-Vade? I also have a tube of topical Dermacrine, would I need to use that? Maybe rub it on the sack?
SimplyDraven
Member
Lotsa drama. Yuck.
I think the main concern/question here is this:
If the LV is so much more potent than pill/tab form (which you just confirmed for us) than why are the safe or recommended dosages similar amongst all forms?
Lets say you've decided that 150 mg (6cc) of TREN LV per day is the recommended amount, wouldn't the tab/pill users need to consume 450-600 mg / day to yield the same results? Or are we missing something?
Thanks for getting back to us.
I think the main concern/question here is this:
If the LV is so much more potent than pill/tab form (which you just confirmed for us) than why are the safe or recommended dosages similar amongst all forms?
Lets say you've decided that 150 mg (6cc) of TREN LV per day is the recommended amount, wouldn't the tab/pill users need to consume 450-600 mg / day to yield the same results? Or are we missing something?
Thanks for getting back to us.
bulldogz
Active member
Then I missin something as well...people are takin the recommened dosage of 3ml / 3 times ed...according to your calculations that's between 600-800mg equivalent to pill form ed...yet these people are not showing any sides at all at that high dosage...sounds like the tren lv is very weak cuz 600-800mg of tren ed is just crazy imo...
also, these people takin between 600-800mg of tren ed are not 300+lbs either...
bulldogz
Active member
yeah...and if they consume that much tren on a daily bases is just bananas..!!...plus many are not showing sides at all...which seems to infer that 202.5mg (recommended dosage from PP) of tren lv is not as strong as the pill form at all....
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Where are you hearing about people taking 3mL 3x per day?
Remember, side-effects do take a few weeks to take hold.
-Eric
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
This product just came out few weeks ago, so how do you know no one is showing sides? Nobody could have possibly been on this product longer than 2-3 weeks at this point.
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Okay...so how about an answer to MY question?
bulldogz
Active member
Right on your own forum brotha...go check it out...
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Ok, so it sounds like you guys are wondering why we are pushing such a high dose? If our LV actually is really 3-4x better? Right?
We believe an experienced user could supplement higher than 200mg/day oral TREN (pill dose). We made our own recommendations and based it off the dose of Trenbolone being used by most AAS users.
Running actual injectable trenbolone at 400-500mg/wk is pretty common. Minus ester, this comes out to about 50-60mg per day of trenbolone in the system, which would be a "safe" amount to try and match with oral "TREN" (dienedione).
The oral absorption of TREN is probably somewhere between 8-15% in pill form, and 24-45% in Liqua-Vade form. If we assume 35% absorbed with TREN Liqua-Vade that would be about 47mg/day of TREN in the system with the recommended dose of 3mL 3x daily… pretty comparable to the amount of trenbolone AAS users are getting through injects.
Since dienedione is weaker than actual trenbolone, running an even higher dose than this would be acceptable.
So yeah, 2mL three times daily would be getting more TREN in the system than most products on the market recommend, and better results than if you ran the same dose in pill form.
Some might call us haphazard for even recommending 3mL 3x daily, but this dose would be considered close to a moderate dose of injectable trenbolone (600mg/wk) as far as actual steroid in the system. (so the dose is really not out of the realm of what AAS users are doing)
Now with that said, side-effects are going to be more likely with the higher dose, especially shutdown, a limp **** and gyno if you are susceptible to it. But just because you arent "feeling" side-effects after a couple weeks of use doesnt mean jack. Guys have used 2gm/week testosterone for a month before they have felt a thing.
Hopefully this clears things up.
-Eric
bulldogz
Active member
don't know how long they have been on...but it can be right around the 2wk mark atleast...
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Got alot of activity on their that i dont see... who exactly are you talking about?
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Well, of course, the limp-noodle syndrome and I guess I need to ask what other horrors may come along with that at this dose...so I guess my question is two-pronged...
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
DHT is the best fix for the libido issue. Sustain Alpha can help though via its vasodilatory effect... sorta like viagra.
So do you have access to testosterone or DHT cream? That would be my first choice. Dermacrine would be the next best choice. Perhaps 1-2 pumps applied to the scrotum could prevent your noodle from completely dying.
FYI, raising DHT would also help prevent the gyno. (its an estrogen antagonist)
-Eric
Trauma1
Legend
Running a Test base would alleviate the libido issue. You could even try adding in our Dermacrine as well; it will convert to a small amount of test/estrogen that may help mitigate a "Dead D*ck".
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Nope, no access to either the DHT cream (which this is my first time hearing about something like that) or testosterone...I haven't made those connections yet, nor do I presently have a Dr. willing to prescribe those, although I could probably find one with some work. So, I'm considering trying this dose the last two weeks of my cycle. Would it be a good idea on the fourth week to start pre-loadiing the SA and using the topical Dermacrine?
Eric Potratz
Board Sponsor
Yeah, or just run 3 on, 3 off Sustain during the cycle to try and help the wiener... then maybe bring in Dermacrine on week 2 to help some more. (assuming this a 6 week cycle of TREN you are doing?)
I honestly never cared much about the limp problem if it only lasted for a few weeks. Its a good time to focus on training, eating, and sleeping... less on chasing tail.
-Eric
bulldogz
Active member
Yeah...anyone "could" do anything like you say...but seems like lots of people across many boards say not to exceed 150mg ed in pill form, which mean according to you only about 15-20mg (guesstimate) of tren ed...and your saying it should be ok...for what reason do others say 150mg in pill form is too much...I don't know since its not methylated...but it does have other sides, but its not nearly as much of real tren...
I guess my question would be for the people out there who have done tren (the PH) before and why they say not to exceed dose over 150mg ed in pill/tab form? Why is this too much? Anyone?
bulldogz
Active member
dog...aren't you on 4ad...??...that converts to test so you should be good...
bulldogz
Active member
I will have to search over there, don't know off the top of my head