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Tongkat Ali

Black Lion Research has a thread up about there new supplement.

Tongkat/Boron search, it's called Viron.

**** looks legit, got me some on the way.
 
Viron is a very stout Tongkat ali extract with Boron citrate.
The first retailer on our where to buy page has it in stock.

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Ill hold our tongkat up to any on the market. Its also less expensive than the real stuff elsewhere (LOTS of fake tongkat out there)
And it has Boron citrate which reduces SHBG
Increases free test
increases vitamin d
 
When is somebody gonna just say T-Bone can't get any more jealous that his been since the BLR took over AM. What a puss......
 
I have been a long time tongkat user and tried just about every brand out there. Without question, BLRs sourcing is as good as the best out there, if not better, and way cheaper. The only brand that I feel matched, I was spending $85 a bottle on. Ridiculous.
 
brundel said:
Ive been working on the viron writeup. Interesting stuff. Tongkat has serm properties... Boron increases vit d Free t Dht. Cool stuff.
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That's awesome. I'm starting mine in 1-2 weeks. Can't wait.

Word up. All positive things. Looking forward to my run. Ima need another bottle (what ima run is the bag you provided me)

As we on topic, with the bag you gave me is the dosing one or two caps? Not sure if u double dosed that too.
 
Our brand new Test Factor uses a 2% eurycomanone Tongkat extract.

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tin gorilla said:
What is the eurycomanone % in Viron?
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We havnt test specifically for this compound.
There are...other beneficial compounds in the tongkat as well.
My personal fav is [h=1]9-hydroxycanthin-6-one[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21569213

When I first tested the extract we used I noticed effects consistent with the above study.
 
Sounds like a great product. Can't wait to try it. Would be a good natural t booster to combine with my androgel.
 
On another note,would using a serm whilst getting test externally via androgel pose any problems?
 
Sketch2000 said:
On another note,would using a serm whilst getting test externally via androgel pose any problems?
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Why would you do this?
Unless your taking clomid to prevent gyno there is no point.

Clomid is WAY overprescribed and many DRs dont even understand how it works.

If anything take an AI and transdermal test.
 
brundel said:
Why would you do this?
Unless your taking clomid to prevent gyno there is no point.

Clomid is WAY overprescribed and many DRs dont even understand how it works.

If anything take an AI and transdermal test.
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I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
 
Sketch2000 said:
I figured if i use tongkat ali and androgel my natty test would get a boost.
No longer using Clomid. Just androgel.
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Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.
Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.

You might get some..but negligible.
Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
 
Yup, I'm gunna start with 1 in the am.

Except tommorow, I'm gunna pop one as soon as it comes lol

We'll see how it goes and I'll post some feedback. Im gunna use it to promote a little free test and estrogen after a run of letro.
See if it helps speed up recovery from the sides a bit.
 
My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.

Just keep in mind that you'd be taking 20mg of boron and that may eventually bring on e2 sides. So get Formeron ready or keep it at 1.
 
kisaj said:
My recommendation is to start with 1 in the morning because it is very good and if you are at all sensitive to TA, it may keep you up taking it later in the day. Assess and then maybe move up to 2 for a real good time. I take one in the morning (or pre workout) and then another mid afternoon.
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Did you immediately start at 2?

Just wondering how much of an additional benefit you saw between 1 & 2 caps if not.

If I react we'll to it, I will definately bump to 2 caps.
 
No, I always start anything at the lowest recommended amount and move up. I am very familiar with TA over the years and know exactly what to expect, so the energy is welcoming and warm feeling. If someone is sensitive to it, then it's better to get used to it because it can feel "heady".
 
brundel said:
Its not likely because when your using testosterone it suppresses natural test production.
Even clomid wont do much as there is still significant suppression happening.
Look at it like this....if your taking test from the outside you pretty much have no natty test your relying 100% on external input. Stimulating it would be like trying to milk a cow with no udders.

You might get some..but negligible.
Tongkat has other properties though and the boron in out product Viron will increase free testosterone and DHT and vitamin D levels.
So youll get mood and energy from the tonkat and the others from the boron so its still a good deal.
I just would not expect total testosterone levels to rise.
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Thanks.

I'm really interested in TA for its libido enhancing properties. I know once you begin receiving test externally your natural production shuts down, just wasn't sure if the TA would have any effect. The other benefits however sound promising.
 
brundel said:
We havnt test specifically for this compound.
There are...other beneficial compounds in the tongkat as well.
My personal fav is 9-hydroxycanthin-6-one

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When I first tested the extract we used I noticed effects consistent with the above study.
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As a vascular Ca2+ channel blocker, one would think tongkat would lower BP...
 
Pneumophant said:
Not easy to get the good Tongkat. But this stuff is legit!
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Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).

Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
 
SwolenONE said:
Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).

Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
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A stroke and pitch in one paragraph... A sign of a good salesman;)
 
SwolenONE said:
Sadly it isnt even as much about being easy to source as it is about company owners caring, or even knowing much about the actives in tongkat (clearly, Brundel is an exception, he knows his stuff).

Most companies just want to slap tongkat on the label as its a well known ingredient, or use other patented extracts that do not disclose their eurycomanone content (for good reason). This 2% extract just adds to the already impressive Test Factor formula, can't wait to see feedback on it. NP has been selling it QUICK, they already re ordered!
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Agreed. Brundel knows his stuff!
 
Ordered viron. Shame only one black lion online distributor has it in stock. Kinda pricey. But i want to go with the best.
 
Sketch2000 said:
Ordered viron. Shame only one black lion online distributor has it in stock. Kinda pricey. But i want to go with the best.
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We will be shipping to more distributors next week.
The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.

You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.
 
brundel said:
We will be shipping to more distributors next week.
The price is actually low compared to other tongkat products that are - Real tongkat, properly extracted, work well.
Some are in the 90$ range for less tongkat than you get in ours.

You can find tongkat cheaper but likely its either not tongkat, or, its just raw tongkat material meaning no extract, or its improperly extracted.
I did my best to keep it inexpensive but...I figure people would rather have a good product than a cheap one.
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Cool. Thanks for all your helpful info too brundel.
 
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