To Infinity.... and Beyond!

Benching more times per week, especially up to at least 4 times, was shown to positively correlate in general to improved benchpress strength in a review of studies Greg Knuckols did. I believe it was Green Machine posted that, it was a very sensible & compelling analysis in my bropinion.

In any case, there’s no way you got weaker, and you burnt even more calories, so it’s a win! Your muscle recovery is greater than ever right now anyway. Not joint or CNS, but muscle.
 
Progression has been a very "responsible" 1lb per week, on the dot. at 191 I'm on pace to be about 187 when my wife and I travel. I'm going to try to turn up the heat a little bit and see if I can reach 185.

My body is feeling wrecked today. I was going to have back day today and then tomorrow as going to be just a good long enjoyable cardio session, then house chores, deck building, and bday dinner for my wife. I think I'm going to flip that and make today a simple cardio day, then enjoy a plumpier/fun back day tomorrow. Plus we will more than likely be doing our cheat/reset meal as her bday request was steak and potatoes (still hoping to swap mine for a burger, lol) and then should be a well fed squat day Sunday.

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Benching more times per week, especially up to at least 4 times, was shown to positively correlate in general to improved benchpress strength in a review of studies Greg Knuckols did. I believe it was Green Machine posted that, it was a very sensible & compelling analysis in my bropinion.

Funny thing is my buddy and I talked about broscience in depth yesterday and how it's often right but bros don't know why it's right, and they're often wrong about why it's right. Reminds me of the Malcom Gladwell book "blink".
I don't remember seeing that review so I'll search it out. I have always felt that within reason, frequency in bench is a huge positive contributor for me!
 
In any case, there’s no way you got weaker, and you burnt even more calories, so it’s a win! Your muscle recovery is greater than ever right now anyway. Not joint or CNS, but muscle.

it's funny, I feel like that shorter second "extra credit" session had a bigger impact. bigger pump, and I still feel the pumpiness today.
 
Found this so far. not all the way through it but very interesting, I need to come back when I can read it more in depth.

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Found this so far. not all the way through it but very interesting, I need to come back when I can read it more in depth.

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That title appears to be it; it was long as hell and Greg backed it all up well.

He’s the type of guy that doesn’t ever seem to have an agenda, besides seeking truth.
 
That title appears to be it; it was long as hell and Greg backed it all up well.

He’s the type of guy that doesn’t ever seem to have an agenda, besides seeking truth.

Im' trying to grab bits of it at a time in between meetings and whatnot. So far one thing I've grasped that I can probably implement is the idea of 1 x hard 10 set session vs 3 x 4 set sessions in terms of increased frequency, volume, and recovery balance.

He also links to an article about mass/hypertrophy in regards to frequency that i need to pull up next.

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Cardio
Row - 10min/2300m
Stairs - 12 min
Incline - 13 min
Bike - 10 min
Total = 45min

Did my circuit today to keep it from getting monotonous. Once I walked into the glorious glow of darkish yellowish lights and Beyonce on the overhead speakers I was ready to do work.

Day 19 on gear cream. Been running double dose (2 pumps a.m., 2 more pumps after postWO shower). Already want to increase the dose lol.
 
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Deads
2 x 10 x 135
5 x 225, 275, 315
1 x 345 (had to fix belt position)
5 x 345

+2" deficit
3 x 5 x 225

Pull-ups
2 x 10
1 x 12

+ Chin ups
1 x 10

Seated DB curls
15 x 25s
10 x 30s
3 x 10+ x 35s

DB hammer curls
10 x 40s, 45s, 50s

(Runners high started here)

Ez bar curls
12 x 60, 70, 70
20 x 50 (lots tut)

Standing DB curls
3 x 10 x 30s
(Super slow, TUT/Form focus)
Sick tennis ball pump.

Star trac unilateral row
2 x 10+

Lat pull downs - various grips
3 x 12

Notes
Well fed last night, huge carb + protein breakfast but still dragging ass a bit and WINDED today.

Added the light deficits again today because I felt like some limited ROM was contributing to a lower top set today (had 5 x 375 in mind)

I had been doing pull-ups on fat grip/wide grip stations at our power racks and only this week realized on the other side of the gym we had legit straight pull-up bars so it was nice to throw some in.


Felt like a little bitch when I walked into the gym and felt like I made that workout my bitch by the time I left.

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Cardio

Bike - 10min
Incline - 15min
Total - 25min


Little less today but body needs a rest and I really had a nice long lifting session today, nearly 90 minutes of enjoyable pump hunting.

Tonight is wife's bday BBQ so I'll be officially "reset/cheating" and hoping for a strong day tomorrow.

Plus I have plenty of LISS to do at home still. Dump run with old deck material, mowing, general yard work etc.
 
Great session and man they got some great tunes!

enjoy the Bbq and your wife’s birthday! Sounds like a good evening!
 
Front squats
10 x bar, 95
5 x 135, 155
3 x 175, 195
1 x 215, 235, 245 (PR tie)

Back squats
3 x 10 x 185
15 x 135

Seated incline DB curls
15 x 25s
10 x 30s, 35s, 25s

Ez bar curls
3 x 12-15

Leg ext
4 x 10


Notes
Wanted to swap today and hit fronts first, little back squat volume after. Really wanted to run bands but couldn't get the rack with band hooks so went with it.

245 was a little shallow, not legal but still... That PR I bet goes back to like pre 2016 maybe.

I felt like yesterday's bicep volume had great carryover 24hrs later nice shape and pump so I thought it would be a fun experiment to try two days in a row.

Last night's steak and potato fest only cost me +2lbs on the scale but performed pretty well today. My wife woke up down -.5lbs after yesterday's food fest
 
Hope your wife had a great birthday! Every one is a blessing.
Skipping cardio today to beat her home from her own gym sesh. Today is technically the big 52 for her, but last night was honestly a million times more fun than I expected with the kids and their significant others. Weather was great steaks were perfect potatoes were huge. Little music and we were up to just after 11 which is hilarious cause she's usually snoring by 8:15. It's been a good weekend and was nice to watch her at the head of the table receiving gifts.

I'm not a birthday guy at all. I've always said I only need/ want two things from her ... Nookie, and a specific dinner (scallops).

But she is so it was fun to enjoy a couple bday focused days for her.
 
Glad she and everyone else had a great time! Happy birthday to her, and congrats on your front squat PR. Things continue to move right for you!
 
DB bench
2 x 15 x 40s
12 x 60s, 75s
10 x 85s
9 x 95s
12 x 75s
15 x 60s

Decline
4 x 10

Ez bar curls
4 x 15 x 50lb'er

SS with DB laterals
3 x 12

Dips
10 x BW, +10lbs, +20lbs, +30lbs, BW again.

(Its been so long I didn't know where I'd be so I just kept throwing 10s on)

Rear delt swings
3 x 15

SS with seated DB curls
3 sets of 10-15

Tri cable pushdowns
3 drop sets
Reps of 10, 15, 20




Notes
Spit on accident on rep 8 or 9 on that DB press and it landed in my eye . Bad excuse to not hit 10, but

I know declines aren't celebrated around here but I haven't done them in ages and was looking for a particular lower pec stimulation.

I had no intention of going this hard today. But.... It's hard to turn down the RPMs with a led foot. Invalid Link Removed
 
So I broke my own rule today and lifted at a relatively high RPM fasted. I had intended on simply going in for some fasted cardio but I couldn't get myself to break my lifting schedule/plan for this week. Despite that, the pump was insane.
 
Also, I don't know if it's just me but there needs to be a massive improvement on locker room etiquette. I bend over to the bench to put my shoes in my gym bag and the guy on the other side of the bench swings around to practically helicopter 24" from my nose and throws his wet shower towel on the bench next to my bag. The smell was so incredibly horrendous I almost puked. I had to hold my breath for the next 30 seconds while I jammed my bag and high tailed out of there.

I've had my hands up the business ends of ducks, deer, bear, fish and everything else and this smell was one of the few that just about made me puke. wash your junk!
 
Also, I don't know if it's just me but there needs to be a massive improvement on locker room etiquette. I bend over to the bench to put my shoes in my gym bag and the guy on the other side of the bench swings around to practically helicopter 24" from my nose and throws his wet shower towel on the bench next to my bag. The smell was so incredibly horrendous I almost puked. I had to hold my breath for the next 30 seconds while I jammed my bag and high tailed out of there.

I've had my hands up the business ends of ducks, deer, bear, fish and everything else and this smell was one of the few that just about made me puke. wash your junk!
That is vile! I probably would have had a few choice words for that dude. But easy for me to say, since I wasn’t there 😂

good looking session too!
 
That is vile! I probably would have had a few choice words for that dude. But easy for me to say, since I wasn’t there 😂

good looking session too!

For real. But a lot of these guys are like in their late 60s and 70s and beyond and very over weight, walking with a hunch back so I always kinda give them benefit fo the doubt for just making it to the gym, but that little maneuver was a bit more than I could take today.

Funny thing is this never happens in the Tacoma gym.
 
For real. But a lot of these guys are like in their late 60s and 70s and beyond and very over weight, walking with a hunch back so I always kinda give them benefit fo the doubt for just making it to the gym, but that little maneuver was a bit more than I could take today.

Funny thing is this never happens in the Tacoma gym.
"Excuse me Sir, but could you get your cock out of my face?"
 
Took a little melatonin last night which helped me zonk out, then had a bizarre dream about eating lays potato chips and woke up gasping for air choking on my own spit 😅
Probably a combo of the melatonin and poor sleep from the dream/choking incident but man I was groggy as hell today. everything hurt. felt like a walking zombie for the first few hours. Waking up nicely now though. Plan is an easy day, just knock out some cardio and enjoy an otherwise active recovery/rest day.

Congrats on the front squat PR!!!

Thank you Sir! It was technically a tie, but I'm certain that PR goes back to when I was oly training so it's so old it may as well be a PR 😅

it is funny to think my all time best front squat is only 245, but I have clean and jerked 270 (power clean).
 
Took a little melatonin last night which helped me zonk out, then had a bizarre dream about eating lays potato chips and woke up gasping for air choking on my own spit
Probably a combo of the melatonin and poor sleep from the dream/choking incident but man I was groggy as hell today. everything hurt. felt like a walking zombie for the first few hours. Waking up nicely now though. Plan is an easy day, just knock out some cardio and enjoy an otherwise active recovery/rest day.

Did I ever tell you that I love my CPAP???
 
Cardio
Bike - 15min
Incline LISS - 27min
Total 42min (fasted)

Active recovery day, no preWO/stims other than a cup of coffee 4hrs prior. running normal incline and bike levels my HR hung out around 104-110bpm whereas normal go hard days I can push it to 130+ at basically the exact same levels. Just an interesting observance. Broke a sweat, but not a ton.
 
Happy belated birthday to your wife…..sounds like you guys had a great weekend, and it’s always good when the cheat meals don’t cost you too many extra lbs. Man melatonin gives me the wildest dreams, like I’m in some 90s action flick, but the funny thing is sometimes I wake up and want to go back to sleep to see how my dream movie ends.😎
 
Happy belated birthday to your wife…..sounds like you guys had a great weekend, and it’s always good when the cheat meals don’t cost you too many extra lbs. Man melatonin gives me the wildest dreams, like I’m in some 90s action flick, but the funny thing is sometimes I wake up and want to go back to sleep to see how my dream movie ends.😎
Very VIVID dreams. I haven’t taken any since late 90’s. I have such a BIG forehead, I don’t have dreams I have MOVIES!!!! The misses loves to crack that one one me
 
sometimes I wake up and want to go back to sleep to see how my dream movie ends
Very VIVID dreams. I haven’t taken any since late 90’s. I have such a BIG forehead, I don’t have dreams I have MOVIES!!!! The misses loves to crack that one one me
😅😅😅😅😅😅 too funny I've done that 100 times and even tried to run "create your own adventure" dreams haha.
ZMA has been a notorious dream machine for me but this is the first time I recall the Melatonin doing it.

Happy belated birthday to your wife…..sounds like you guys had a great weekend, and it’s always good when the cheat meals don’t cost you too many extra lbs.

ya know, it actually was pretty good. She always did these bday weeks with her BF back in the day who has not been around in many years. so I tried to ramp it up with flowers friday, flowers + bbq saturday, then sunday a little bday gift etc.

it's honestly too much socializing for me and I'm craving a day or two of sitting 100% alone in my house with peace, quiet, and maybe some ESPN but happy wife, happy life. The more I focus on her happiness the greater life seems to be.
 
Happy Wife, Happy Life!

A simpler, more true statement has not been created to my knowledge!
 
Squats
5 x 135, 175, 205,
1 x 235, 265, 295, 315

+ Green Bands from bottom
EMOTM
9 x 3 x 185
+ 1 x 3 x 205

No bands
10 x 135

Leg ext
4 x 12

Leg curls
4 x 12

Bike -10min

Notes
Finally landed sub 190 at a.m. weigh in. Only took two weeks longer than expected.

Will try to hit more PM cardio after family dinner tonight.


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Been playing around with the XPG Carnitine timing a little.
Post shower is obviously most convenient, Hyde mentioned maybe 30-50 minutes preWO which is achievable, just awkward to do at work. Today I tried it at the gym in the locker room while changing and I feel like the results were truly immediate. the pump in my quads and knees postWO is pretty crazy.


Also, @MrKleen73 Layne is on one of Hubberman's most recent podcasts. it's a LONG one so I'm like.... 25% in but they're talking a tiny bit about protein synthesis in regards to fasting/IF (it's a rabbit trail in their podcast). I found it interesting for Layne to say that he felt a person could build muscle, even a lot of muscle, while utilizing fasting. He did go on to say that while the advantage to NOT fasting might only be like 5% improvement, it could be a substantial impact on a bodybuilder (expected results, really). Anyways, I'm still listening and don't want to put words in his mouth but for a person in my shoes it was really nice to hear becasue I'm not getting ready to get on stage but this 1lb per week bullshit is wearing me out 😅 Fasting for 36-60hrs is a heck of a lot easier on me than slamming out 2 a days and extra cardio sessions 😅
 
yes I know IF is more like 12:12, 16:8, 20:4 and not 36hrs, lol.

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Overall IF seems to be a viable options, especially TRF options with around 3ish meals over about an 8 hour window. One study did look at an alternating fasting diet and it seemed to have the worst overall outcomes. But I think you could likely overcome the short comings of that design study with some planning.
 
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Overall IF seems to be a viable options, especially TRF options with around 3ish meals over about an 8 hour window. One study did look at an alternating fasting diet and it seemed to have the worst overall outcomes. But I think you could likely overcome the short comings of that design study with some planning.

From what I gathered on the short part of the Hubberman discussion, the question at hand was how much protein can the body make use of during shortened windows (like in the case of fasting). I'm still only partially into it since it's something I listen to on my drive, but it sounded like Layne felt like YES you can utilize much more protein per sitting than we used to think (like 100g insteead of 30-40g) but whether or not you could truly maximize protein synthesis and development of lean mass while implementing a fasting approach was still in debate. I know Layne has been opposed to fasting protocols in the past so when he said not fasting might yield a further benefit of only 5-10% I thought that was incredibly humble of him and telling.

basically my conclusion thus far is that we don't really know everything there is to know, lol. But the conclusion from that study you posted is interesting. It also does match much of what I have read in the past about fasting being 4x more muscle sparing than caloric deficits.

Lean body mass is generally maintained when IF, including when followed for religious reasons, is combined with resistance training. However, whether or not IF inhibits LBM accrual is unclear, and may be contingent on the adequate provision of protein, and energy balance. The combination of IF and resistance training may also lead to a reduction in body fat, not only during apparent energy deficit, but also energy surplus. Given low muscle mass and poor muscle strength are important risk factors for disability and potentially mortality, especially in older individuals, these findings may also have important clinical implications. Future research should aim to examine the longer-term effects of various IF regimes with resistance training on LBM, incorporating varying levels of energy intake, and, where possible, appropriate non-exercise and non-fasting control groups. Furthermore, given the growing popularity of IF for weight loss, future research should also consider whether IF paired with resistance training is more or less effective and sustainable compared to other traditional forms of energy restriction diets.


But too me this leaves two things lingering on my mind:

a. this is talking about maintaining LBM for the most part more than building. I would think you'd have to study not just untrained speciments but trained athletes as well for more data

b. when using additional PED's, even something simple like the Gear Cream I'm using now, are you sacrificing it's effect while fasting and just wasting money or is there still a significant enough impact to justify the cost as well as the PCT experiences etc?
 
Tbh, more data is gonna be needed. The overall body as a whole just cannot answer this question in humans conclusively.

Most of the meal frequency data and MPS is done using whey in isolation. The big limitation here is that whey digests quickly compared to mixed meals and the effects on MPS over acute periods are not equivalent.

The muscle full effect of MPS and muscle refractory effect of MPS are not fully understood nor proven. Especially with the new study in humans showing that 100 g of protein can lead to extended and sustained MPS, which suggests that distribution matters less than total intake. The 100 g serving supported MPS for greater than 12 hours post consumption: Invalid Link Removed

But this is likely going to be context dependent and dependent on what your priorities are on the whole.

If you just want some good results and adherence and enjoyment are number 1 for you, then I think we can say that variations of IF (based on the previous study I linked) are viable as long as you resistance training and get enough dietary protein alongside a reasonable net caloric intake. Will this maximize your results outright without further considerations? Maybe not.

If you planned the fasting periods of 24-36 hours at least 1-2 days post training and maybe 1 day pre next training, I think potential drawbacks are highly diminished. Remember that nutrition is permissive to growth, so after training we have higher MPS rate and the need for nutrition during the recovery/adaptation process. For trained people this can be 1-3 days depending on the study and training protocol used. Probably dont want to fast during this period overall. Probably want to make sure you have some available fuel and glycogen to perform well in the next session, glycogen takes time to build up, so eating the day before or a few meals before the next training session after an extended fasting period is likely ideal.

Acute data does suggest even mixed meals pre and post-wo with a window of 6 hours around the session may be ideal. So fasted resistance training is likely not the best option long-term.

AAS increase MPS and assimilation capacities, so again, all context specific points made above can be utilized even more alongside AAS, but you are less likely to have issues during extended fasting periods, can be a win win if timed right.

Hope I covered most of what you were asking about.

Side note, most studies using IF tend to result in weight loss bc these diets tend to result in spontaneous decreases in total caloric intakes in the participants, which means these people tend to be in deficits more then not. Some IF studies still showed increased in LBM despite this, meaning that even the unicorn, recomp, can be done with an IF options in people not on AAS. IF that does not speak to the viability of IF overall, I am not sure what does. This is the main study that comes to mind in this case: Invalid Link Removed
 
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The big limitation here is that whey digests quickly compared to mixed meals and the effects on MPS over acute periods are not equivalent.

This immediately made me think of the book "blink" again, where you know something to be true but don't always know why you know it.

If you just want some good results and adherence and enjoyment are number 1 for you

although I might ask 2 questions here... first being what are the results you are looking for, and then second could be whether or not they are hit, right? (cutting, bulking, strength, etc since this game of iron tends to have many different end goals)

If you planned the fasting periods of 24-36 hours at least 1-2 days post training and maybe 1 day pre next training, I think potential drawbacks are highly diminished.

Kleen got me hooked on ADF a while back. I think it was May of 2023 or so. I enjoyed surplus eating on lifting days and then followed with a minimum of 1 day (30hr) if not 2 day (60hr) fasts. I dropped I think 10lbs that month but IIRC also set PR's on Deads and/or Bench. It's just my personal anecdotal information, but an interesting experience! I'm no pro, but I've been under the barbell in one way or another for 25 years so that progress was not on an untrained specimen per se.
 
AAS increase MPS and assimilation capacities, so again, all context specific points made above can be utilized even more alongside AAS, but you are less likely to have issues during extended fasting periods, can be a win win if timed right. This is the main study that comes to mind in this case: Invalid Link Removed

Super interesting! Again it's one of those things you probably "know" but don't know you know until you read it again for the 100th time.
 
yes I know IF is more like 12:12, 16:8, 20:4 and not 36hrs, lol.
Actually that is not correct. What Hyde has been doing this whole time has been Intermittent Fasting. What makes it intermittent is the fact you start eating again. Otherwise it becomes starvation. However ADF known as Alternate Day Fasting is IF, fasting for a week at a time is just an extended intermittent fast. Most people are simply not advanced enough in the concept of fasting to realize there are more and all they have heard called IF is just the ones you mentioned. However those are just the ones that are easy to market because the fasts are short enough anyone could do them. However those shorter fasts don't come close to providing the same effects as a longer fast.

As far as the amount of protein a person can eat at once and make use of that oldschool stuff brought on by the nautilus guys who marketed protein powder first based off of the horrible study that gave the the 30g serving size that could be used at once. What a great marketing tool you don't have time for 4-5 meals to get your protein in so buy this because you are wasting anything over 30g per serving. Horse Crap! Bottom line when you have a large meal with a lot of protein and a decent amount of fat the sphincter that allows food to enter the small intestines from the stomach closes up so that only a little of the stomach contents at a time gets released. This makes that one large meal get released over a long period of time. it really isn't a whole lot different than a lion eating 30lbs of meat in one meal and growing to massive sizes. The body adapts to the environment, and as hunter gatherers when we ate meat back in the day we ate as much as we could because we didn't know when we were going to get a good kill again. So in effect this natural slow release once the stomach is full is pretty much the same thing as eating multiple times over say 12 hours instead of actually eating that often. Of course that being said, you aren't truly fasting while this is happening because you have a big bolus of nutrition slowly being released for hours. This really isn't new information. Just people are talking about it more, and there may have been a more recent study bringing this back around. However now that fasting has become a highly marketable situation you will see more and more studies based on it.

On steroids I would think that MPS would be fine with something like this. However i do not think it is optimal to take an anabolic agent and fast at the same time unless something specific like a really low dose of tren similar to what Hyde was doing with some of his extended fasts the past month.
 
The body adapts to the environment, and as hunter gatherers when we ate meat back in the day we ate as much as we could because we didn't know when we were going to get a good kill again.
This really isn't new information. Just people are talking about it more,

isn't this sorta amazing though? these types of thoughts always bring me back to my reference of that book Blink. This is why I like to posit seemingly redundit questions from time to time. There is just SOOO much information out there I find myself a couple times a year needing to take a step back to figure out what it is I know and organize thoughts... obviously at the end of the day everything is much simpler than we make it out to. the basics of life, really. But we find incredible ways to complicate it.

Oh and I have the shittiest luck with pump bottles. Last night went to apply my GC and the pumper crapped out, lol. I managed to finagle it, and then this morning barely got two good pumps but I can tell the bottle isn't empty, just low. So I'll have to figure out if I can open it and manually apply. I do have one brand new bottle still but I'm not yet 1 month into this one so I'd be bummed if I couldn't quite get the last of it out.
 
isn't this sorta amazing though? these types of thoughts always bring me back to my reference of that book Blink. This is why I like to posit seemingly redundit questions from time to time. There is just SOOO much information out there I find myself a couple times a year needing to take a step back to figure out what it is I know and organize thoughts... obviously at the end of the day everything is much simpler than we make it out to. the basics of life, really. But we find incredible ways to complicate it.

Oh and I have the shittiest luck with pump bottles. Last night went to apply my GC and the pumper crapped out, lol. I managed to finagle it, and then this morning barely got two good pumps but I can tell the bottle isn't empty, just low. So I'll have to figure out if I can open it and manually apply. I do have one brand new bottle still but I'm not yet 1 month into this one so I'd be bummed if I couldn't quite get the last of it out.
True, life is simple but optimizing it, not so much simplicity there. The crazy thing is how good the body is at just doing what it needs to do to flourish. We may be able to optimize some things, but also have to keep in mind when doing so that the changes made to optimize on thing is likely also creating a trade off somewhere else being less optimized. So then it becomes optimization for a specific goal which we seem to be learning pretty well, but are also still surprised when we realize how little difference many of the optimizations make and the more difference they make the more transient the optimization is.
 
On steroids I would think that MPS would be fine with something like this. However i do not think it is optimal to take an anabolic agent and fast at the same time unless something specific like a really low dose of tren similar to what Hyde was doing with some of his extended fasts the past month.

I'm splitting hairs a tiny bit here, but here is a thought I have on my mind... the difference between "optimal" and "beneficial". For instance Layne talked about the extra 5% from NOT fasting being potentially substantial. Especially in your game, 1% makes the difference between blue ribbon and not making the top 5 cut. Zero doubt in my mind that combinging something like the products I've used with a surplus will yield more impressive results than a deficit/fasting but the part I struggle with is whether it is still beneficial while on a cut/fasting (beneficial of course meaning providing some benefit while not being 110% optimal scenario).

burning the candle at both ends right now. Woke up this morning remembering I have a 7:30 customer tour/visit this morning that could last all day. Will definitely effect many of my non-work plans such as planned morning/lunch fasting schedule, cardio/lifting and funny thing is my first thought was "Kleen would have made it work" haha. and so I shall find a way ;)

tootles, off to meeting #1. 😅🔥
 
Well my opinion on that is this. If this is a lifestyle for you, and only a lifestyle for you then a 95% is still an A effort, and the work it takes to close that last 5% gap is a lot more detailed and stringent than it took to get to 95%. In that case I would say that a 95% is pretty ideal when balancing what it takes to get the extra 5%. If this is lifestyle effort level for you then I don't know that you need to push that hard for the 96-100% if you can be content with 95% and a more easily manageable lifestyle. Honestly if the 95% works better overall with your life then who is to say that 95% physical score leaving more room for other areas may actually be optimal for you in your lifestyle. When doing this as a hobby not a competitor I think a more convenient lifestyle, and a 95% on the physical aspects is a perfect balance. There is a part of me that is hoping I don't make it to pro because that means I will be sticking to this high level of detail for up to another year and to be honest, it is a lot to do. I would love to go back to a more convenient yet still effective nutritional strategy, and be able to move things around in my training just to have some fun days occasionally or whatever too. Those things aren't really options right now. Winging it just doesn't work when specificity is required.

So while on Gear Cream I wouldn't likely do a lot of fasting but as a lifestyle thing I might just not take Gear Cream while fasting then bump right back on it when feeding resumes. I don't think gear Cream is strong enough to really do too much to push things during the fast so just not taking it on fasting days would be a convenient way for you to not waste product on fasting days, of course I would also minimize the amount of fasting days I had if that were the case. Maybe 1 36-48 hour fast a week. You could add some Time Restricted Feeding on other days where you would still be eating but in a truncated window, and using Gear Cream those days would make sense.

Bottom line, Gear Cream is a mild anabolic, it is meant to help you grow, and if you aren't feeding it, then it can't really do it's job. It may help you retain muscle during the fast, but we kind of already know that fasting does that on it's own so if I wanted the best of both worlds and was doing lifestyle that might be the way I would go. it will obviously not allow for stable hormone levels since they will drop during the fasts but I honestly don't think that is a huge deal personally. Some people may have different opinions on that but I have had good success running oral pulsing and don't really see it as much of a difference here just with a transdermal application.
 
The issue is the difference between what terminology is used in studies and what laymen use.

IF in studies is daily or multiple day fasts or extremely low calorie days.

What most call IF is termed Time Restricted Feeding.

Generally speaking idk if influencers are purposely conflating at times to try to just get best of both worlds when trying to sell benefits or if they are just too dumb to actually know the difference. Probably a bit of both.
Right, I actually forgot the Time Restricted Feeding classification, which to me is just semantics. When you go through a period that nutrients are not entering the blood stream through digestion and the hormonal changes that brings along with it is when fasting starts in my opinion but yeah the shorter fasting periods have now been called Time Restricted Feeding.

I think IF is the buzzword so it is a catch phrase that all influencers use but also as mentioned even I had forgotten about that extra designation, so I wouldn't be surprised if many of them hadn't known about it. However that being said, even if you do know, the rest of the world has no idea what Time Restricted Feeding is, so it wouldn't get the traction of a video about Intermittent Fasting.
 
Bottom line, Gear Cream is a mild anabolic, it is meant to help you grow, and if you aren't feeding it, then it can't really do it's job. It may help you retain muscle during the fast, but we kind of already know that fasting does that on it's own so if I wanted the best of both worlds and was doing lifestyle that might be the way I would go. it will obviously not allow for stable hormone levels since they will drop during the fasts but I honestly don't think that is a huge deal personally. Some people may have different opinions on that but I have had good success running oral pulsing and don't really see it as much of a difference here just with a transdermal application.

I love this feedback.

There is a part of me that is hoping I don't make it to pro because that means I will be sticking to this high level of detail for up to another year and to be honest, it is a lot to do.

I hear you there, I'm excited for your journey though regardless. it's been an inspirational watch!!

The issue is the difference between what terminology is used in studies and what laymen use.

IF in studies is daily or multiple day fasts or extremely low calorie days.

What most call IF is termed Time Restricted Feeding.

Generally speaking idk if influencers are purposely conflating at times to try to just get best of both worlds when trying to sell benefits or if they are just too dumb to actually know the difference. Probably a bit of both.
Right, I actually forgot the Time Restricted Feeding classification, which to me is just semantics. When you go through a period that nutrients are not entering the blood stream through digestion and the hormonal changes that brings along with it is when fasting starts in my opinion but yeah the shorter fasting periods have now been called Time Restricted Feeding.

Me too, great points. When I think of fasting I am more inline with what Resolve said. To me it's probably a minimum of 36hours (8pm Sunday night till 8am Tuesday morning for instance) but it does seem like the general term of "intermittent fasting" is being used for TRF. I don't even really give TRF much thought personally because to be quite frank it's easy to simply forget to eat for the first half of the day. When I'm getting serious about fasting I'm looking at 36-60+hrs.
 
the other thing about fasting is if you remove social obligations, honestly 60hrs of fasting sure seems a hell of a lot easier than 8 or 20, lol. Once you get through day 1, day 2+ is easier for me.
 
the other thing about fasting is if you remove social obligations, honestly 60hrs of fasting sure seems a hell of a lot easier than 8 or 20, lol. Once you get through day 1, day 2+ is easier for me.
I have no issues at all with a 20 hour fasting period, to me that is easy as all get out. Just a little easier than a 36, only difference is holding off until I wake up in the morning to get to 36 so it just makes more sense to me if doing it for fat loss to extend it.
 
only difference is holding off until I wake up in the morning to get to 36

bingo! I've looked at the clock as my wife is having dinner and said you know... in 3 hrs we go to bed and then I gain another 8... may as well throw back a sparkling water and keep this party going.

been wanting to pick your brain on a lot of stuff lately and been laying off cause you got so much going on, thanks for still taking the time to share your wisdom and experiences in here!!
 
bingo! I've looked at the clock as my wife is having dinner and said you know... in 3 hrs we go to bed and then I gain another 8... may as well throw back a sparkling water and keep this party going.

been wanting to pick your brain on a lot of stuff lately and been laying off cause you got so much going on, thanks for still taking the time to share your wisdom and experiences in here!!
Of course, and feel free to ask me anything you want. If I don't have time I will just let you know I don't have time and will respond later.
 
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