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To Infinity.... and Beyond!

Dustin07 said:
I'm starting to wonder if I should explore TRT soon. I get so high off Epiandro and now gear cream. Just a massive mood benefit. I never wanted to commit to the lifetime road but every time I do a run my mental space is like all blue skies and boobies.
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Lookin, smellin, feelin like a million bucks?💪🤘
 
I added the bicep work because I won't be able to hit arms again until Monday. But the bicep pump was literally painful. Is this the Carnitine at work already? Work capacity today was dynamite.
 
Squats
10 x bar, 95, 135
5 x 185
1 x 225, 265, 295
2 x 315
1 x 325
2 x 5 x 275
10 x 225
15 x 135

Front squats
3 x 10 x 95

Ez bar curls
3 x 12

DB curls
3 x 12

Leg ext
3 sets

Adductor machine
2 x 20

Leg curls
3 sets

PreWO

2 pumps gear cream
2 pumps carnitine
All Out Ultra

Last night did reset meal with my wife. Steak salad @GreenMachineX with the focaccia bread and a couple drinks. Woke up +1lb this morning.

Weight 192.6lbs

Got home, turned on happy gilmore, fell asleep, in bed by 8:30.

Woke up about 6 this morning, took a leak and climbed back into bed till about 8am.

That's a long time in bed but this week has really exhausted me despite getting around 8hrs every single night.

I don't know if it's the Gear Cream or the Carnitine but squats were absolutely fire

I probably haven't hit 315 for a double or more in over a year or two. I certainly had a triple in me too.

Skipping cardio to go build a deck. This session was hard.


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Dustin07 said:
Dude... @Hyde that carnitine is like rubbing Bengay or or icy hot on. It smells good, but strong!
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I only ever use it on my shins & feet tops - 4 pumps total across them all. I have used it 3-4 days per week and without rotating elsewhere, even back to back days and have no skin irritation there.

I bet those sites doesn’t feel hot because it’s going onto bone, and it’s not on the torso either. Give it a try!

Dustin07 said:
I'm starting to wonder if I should explore TRT soon. I get so high off Epiandro and now gear cream. Just a massive mood benefit. I never wanted to commit to the lifetime road but every time I do a run my mental space is like all blue skies and boobies.
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Well, understand that the body and mind accommodate to elevated levels over time - whatever you take becomes the new normal, to a degree. Fortunately when we cycle blasts, the changes in levels help reset & refresh things, but if you just add TRT and never cycle, you will eventually get used to it. There are many guys who think TRT is something that it’s not, and they want to stop it after a year or two when they lose the magic and realize you’re not going to be able to keep a “high” forever.

For guys who blast, coming back to their cruse doses, whether TRT amounts or whatever, is actually usually a relief. Too much of a good thing…

I’m not saying TRT is a bad thing, but understand in life the only constant is change.

Dustin07 said:
I added the bicep work because I won't be able to hit arms again until Monday. But the bicep pump was literally painful. Is this the Carnitine at work already? Work capacity today was dynamite.
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The pumping is an immediate, acute effect. It does not take time to build up; if you take L-carn preWO you will achieve greater pumps for the same work put in.

I only got through 2 sets of 25 on light hamstring curls at the end of yesterday’s training before throwing in the towel on them. They were outrageous, after a 500mg injection preWO.
 
Hyde said:
I only ever use it on my shins & feet tops - 4 pumps total across them all. I have used it 3-4 days per week and without rotating elsewhere, even back to back days and have no skin irritation there.

I bet those sites doesn’t feel hot because it’s going onto bone, and it’s not on the torso either. Give it a try!



Well, understand that the body and mind accommodate to elevated levels over time - whatever you take becomes the new normal, to a degree. Fortunately when we cycle blasts, the changes in levels help reset & refresh things, but if you just add TRT and never cycle, you will eventually get used to it. There are many guys who think TRT is something that it’s not, and they want to stop it after a year or two when they lose the magic and realize you’re not going to be able to keep a “high” forever.

For guys who blast, coming back to their cruse doses, whether TRT amounts or whatever, is actually usually a relief. Too much of a good thing…

I’m not saying TRT is a bad thing, but understand in life the only constant is change.



The pumping is an immediate, acute effect. It does not take time to build up; if you take L-carn preWO you will achieve greater pumps for the same work put in.

I only got through 2 sets of 25 on light hamstring curls at the end of yesterday’s training before throwing in the towel on them. They were outrageous, after a 500mg injection preWO.
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Yesterday I ran it on the shoulders when it first came in just to see how it was. Today I ran 2 pumps gear cream on shoulders and arms and 2 pumps carnitine on feet/ankles preWO and didn't notice the icy hot sensation but the pumps were insane!

My gear cream breakdown so far
Mon 1 pump
Tues 2 pumps
Weds 3 pumps
Thurs and Fri 3 pumps
Saturday 2 pumps preWO and 2 pumps in a couple hours postWO post shower.

I meant to run 4 pumps Thursday and Friday but to be 100% honest I simply forgot.

So today's workout being an absolutely beast for me, I can't tell if it's a week of gear cream build up or the Carnitine but so far I'm in LOVE with both!
 
I also remember some of the high doses oral carnitines clearing my guts out like crazy in the morning. Today I have a bit of that sensation and I'm wondering if the topical Carnitine could also be having an effect on the bowels. It's nothing major just an observation.
 
Dustin07 said:
Still feeling doms from deck destruction and Saturdays session.


Bench
2 x 10 x 95
3 x 135, 175, 210
1 x 240, 265, 285
2 x 4 x 255
8 x 225
12 x 185
16 x 135

Skullies
3 x 12 x 60lb bar

Seated dips
3 x 12-15

Tricep extensions
3 x 15

Hammer strength inclines
3 x 10-15

Life fitness chest press
3 x 10+

Cardio
20 min LISS

Not my favorite barbell today. Very spinny like an oly bar, no knurling, rings waaaay outside. Could feel it spinning on every rep.

Gym was packed so swapped machines where we could. Wife had one request on the cut, don't lose the pecs

Weight 194 this morning.

New protein powder coming in today for my evening "snack" looking forward to that.
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this morning post shower, about 5am = 2 pumps gear cream
10am, about 1 hour preWO = 2 pumps xpg carnitine.

applied carnitine to shoulders/traps/upper arms again. it feels like icy hot when I apply it up there, but didn't notice that at all when I applied it to my feet/ankles.

@Hyde is there a timing preference for dosing the xpg carnitine in your opinion?
Also, thoughts on frequency? 4 pumps split over 2 doses on lifting days, and either none, or a half dose on rest days?

Quoting my last bench session so I can quickly reference it later.
 
Bench
20 x bar
10 x 95, 135
2 x 175, 205, 225
1 x 245, 265, 285, 285
5 x 245
8 x 225

Inclines
3 x 10 x 135

Straight bar skullies
3 x 12+ x 70lb

DB tri kickbacks
3 sets

SS with Laterals
3 sets

DB flies
3 x 12

Superset with tri rope extensions
3 x 15

Roc it shoulder press
3 x 10

Killer pump. Not the same magic as Saturdays squat session, but still good. Put up 285 twice because I wasn't happy with the first attempt, take away was sloppy so I wanted a clean rep. opted to get more volume in with inclines vs mass drop set on bench.

Hoping to squeeze cardio in tonight.
 
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Dustin07 said:
@Hyde is there a timing preference for dosing the xpg carnitine in your opinion?
Also, thoughts on frequency? 4 pumps split over 2 doses on lifting days, and either none, or a half dose on rest days?
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Lifting days you should always use it all preWO, 30-50 minutes prior seems like it works great for me.

Off days, why you are using it will dictate what you should do. If losing weight, use a full dose on off days before cardio or whenever you want the extra energy/lift, or right before a carb-heavy meal to best shuttle the carnitine to muscles (insulin transports carnitine).

If you are not in a deficit and using carnitine primarily for the acute performance boost in training, you don’t need to take any. Although taking some can increase androgen turnover from your receptors, making your gear work a bit more effectively/potent per mg taken.
 
Hyde said:
Lifting days you should always use it all preWO, 30-50 minutes prior seems like it works great for me.

Off days, why you are using it will dictate what you should do. If losing weight, use a full dose on off days before cardio or whenever you want the extra energy/lift, or right before a carb-heavy meal to best shuttle the carnitine to muscles (insulin transports carnitine).

If you are not in a deficit and using carnitine primarily for the acute performance boost in training, you don’t need to take any. Although taking some can increase androgen turnover from your receptors, making your gear work a bit more effectively/potent per mg taken.
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Ok so that would be four pumps then instead of the 2 pumps spaced out. Good info.

Today I carb loaded preWO but aside from that I am undoubtedly in a deficit.

However I am trying to keep the deficit a bit under control because I know I cut best with cardio regardless of where my calories are (within reason).

Today's session was an average session in terms of strength overall. Not bad, not ground breaking, but capacity and pump were out of sight. Didn't even recognize myself in the mirror postWO
 
After work I forced myself to stop by the "other" gym on my way home to knock out some cardio.

10min incline warmup
20min of 1:1 jog/walk
10min of cool down

40min total.

They won't always be that intense but I need to create the habit and discipline. Cardio is the difference for me, and I know that. Cutting calories isn't enough, I'll adjust. Cardio has always, always, been the difference.
 
I'm exhausted today, but not "can't make the gym" sick or anything.
Last night hit the hay about 8:30 (normal), started making my move.
We hear a v8 rumbling in the driveway (we have about a 1/4 driveway in the woods). That cut things short, we run to the window to see who the hell it is. some "creeper" van as my wife calls it, slowly turns around and slowly works its way down our driveway. on the brakes the whole way, stops at the property line for a minute, then SLOWLY heads out.

I head back to bed. smash. roll over, look up at ceiling and see headlights reflecting through the window. I stand up to look out the window (which is above head height, I need to stand on the bed to see out) and there is a new car creeping around my cars. he parks towards our woods, and sits there for a moment. so I jump down, throw my shorts on cammando, grab the 9 from my secret hidden shelf (finally found a use for it). Told my wife to go check on the kids and see if they're expecting anyone.

I walk outside no shirt, no shoes, barely got my shorts up, 9mm in hand. by now the car is facing me so I'm at a pretty big disadvantage blinded by the headlights. I walk right up to his window and ask what the hell he's doing.

"you haven't seen a golden retriever have you" no...
"oh ok". - You know you a long ways down a private road past numerous no tresspassing signs?
"oh yeah. look if I give you my contact info would you let me know if you see him"

I told him to pull forward 20ft (putting him in my cameras) grabbed my phone off my front porch, entered his digits into my phone but did not give him mine and said if I see him I'll call. please be on your way now. He just sat there for a moment and didn't really move. so I said again, it's time for you to F off. rolling around down private property in the middle of the night is a good way to get yourself shot.

"yeah yeah ok" he leaves at a snails pace.

Kept me up a couple hours past normal, but I kept sorta replaying it. I got no problem helping a dude find his dog. But in my mind he had 3 strikes.

a. pulling up to my house in the middle of the night, in the dark, without the courtesy of knocking on my door to announce himself past numerous no tresspassing and 'beware of dog' signs.

b. parking his car up in my woods with lights on, but not calling his dogs name once. just prowling around.

c. not leaving when I told him too.

</end banjo music>
 
SkRaw85 said:
Totally sounds like both vehicles were “looking for a dog”. Nah, not buying it. Stay strapped.
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that's my gut instinct as well. I remind myself to stay humble incase they're legit, but to stay on alert in case they're not as well. I adjusted my cameras better on the driveway and I figure a show of force last night at least shows them homeowner is an armed hillbilly with more guns than shirts 😅😅

Next time might just sling the AR over the shoulder 😅😅
 
Dustin07 said:
that's my gut instinct as well. I remind myself to stay humble incase they're legit, but to stay on alert in case they're not as well. I adjusted my cameras better on the driveway and I figure a show of force last night at least shows them homeowner is an armed hillbilly with more guns than shirts 😅😅

Next time might just sling the AR over the shoulder 😅😅
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Laser site him, and then ask if he saw that no trespassing signs on the way in.
 
Deads

10 x 135, 185
5 x 225, 275
1 x 325, 365, 405
8 x 315

DB rows
4 x 10+

Superset with ez bar curls
4 x 12

Rear delt swings
3 x 12-15

Superset with DB curls
3 x 12

Lat pull downs
4 x 12 + 1 x 12 drop set

Seated DB curls
3 x 12

Flat bar 21s
1 x 60lbs

Notes
We were SUPER crunched for time, hit gym half hr later than planned. That's why deads stopped where they were.

Weighed in at a low of 191.0 last night.
192.0 this morning after hydrating and eating dinner etc.

Goal today was to see plumpy Kleen wing lats popping in the mirror postWO

Did not disappoint.
 
My buddy brought a huge tub of this in today, I gotta admit is was pretty refreshing postWO with my chicken:

never did I think I'd want Horchatta flavored protein, but it was good! good macros too:

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Dustin07 said:
DUDE I just found motion activated speakers that you can record your own track to. I'm thinking of getting them, recording the banjo, and putting those on my driveway 😅😅😅😅
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It’s only fair to inform them that you have a gun and have been applying Gear Cream since last Monday.
but seriously I would have done the same thing being set back that far off the beaten path. Didn’t hear him call a dog and didn’t get to stepping when ya asked. But hey, take the guns away Mrs. Harris. This is why we need guns. Limited home invasions in Nh cause ya only need a library card to carry a gun(not really). Don't need to be able to read though.
And to Kleens point, I have racked the .45 and put a red dot on someone and they left, no questions asked. And they were at the right house and I did know them. Oddly, haven’t been bothered since. Reason 473 why we moved out of Massachusetts
 
So half in jest, but I ordered the motion activated speaker on amazon yesterday and it was on my porch at 4am this morning. Took it to work and in 2 minutes had the deliverance banjos playing on it lol. I'll rig it up somewhere in the driveway.

Training updates:
Last night PM Cardio
25 minute walk-the-dogs with my wife.
It's not a lot but it's something. if we stretch that to about 35 minutes it includes a large hill climb so that will be in circulation soon.

Today:
rest day/cardio. I'm sorta excited about it because of where my mindset is. Last night I was thinking about how intentional my training has been. Back/Bi day = build lats , destroy biceps. Shoulder day = build cannonballs. Chest day = strength focused, but build triceps and tiddies. Legs day = also strength focused as I'm enjoying squats again, but want more size and better quad development. So I was looking in the mirror and thinking "middle". ahhh, Cardio. Cardio is the day I get to really focus on shedding that extra fat. I'm not pretending I can spot reduce, just looking at the day with a very intentional mindset that the goal today is to get that mid section trimmed up.
 
It is nice when you just get that locked in feeling isn't it? I love having very targeted days, I have long been a proponent of focusing specifically on Burn and Build days both with training, and nutrition.
 
MrKleen73 said:
It is nice when you just get that locked in feeling isn't it? I love having very targeted days, I have long been a proponent of focusing specifically on Burn and Build days both with training, and nutrition.
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You're right, it's burn and build. I can't count how many plans I've seen for more newb/intermediate folks built around "burn" days and I never took to it.

Even now, my mentality is build, build, sleep. But really I'm not building the gut, it's a burn day.

In my head, it feels like I'm building. I think that's where my drive and motivation is in this snapshot of time, still sculpting. But you're right, it's a burn day.

Today cardio
Bike - 12 min
Row - 12 min / 2704 meters
Stairs - 12 min
Incline treadmill - 12 min
Total 48min

A. I figure why not utilize variety to break up the monotony. This was honestly a fast 48min of LISS (MISS on stairs )

B. It allowed me to spread out the impact on the feet which are a tiny bit stiff from Monday. Not bad but good to be careful.

189 by 8/1 is slipping through my grasp. If I was to fast it would have been yesterday, I forgot I have family dinner tonight so mom will inevitably supply a pile of beef or chicken.

Still, knocked this out fasted and I can always sweat my ass off tomorrow if I want to briefly register a misleading low of sub 190 I'm sure.


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Good stuff!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good stuff!
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On a future cardio day if I'm going to push for 40+ minutes again I think I may break it up into just 2 or 3 movements instead of 4x like I did today. do you have any thoughts on that?

Traditional mentality on LISS is 50-70% of your max heart rate, right? 220bpm - 41 = 179 theoretical safe max target with LISS cardio being somewhere between 90 and 125.

Today every time I checked I was around 120 - 130. I did hit 150s on the stairs when I upped speed, but even on a 12 incline on the treadmill stuck around 130.

Despite that being potentially on the high side for LISS, at no point did I feel like I just did 48 minutes of cardio. it almost felt too easy today.
 
Don’t worry about arbitrary numbers on the scale; focus on doing all of the things necessary to create general trending downward. One day, one weight doesn’t matter - you have seen me weight 218lbs in the morning and over 230 at bedtime with temporary water/food/electrolye manipulation.

The general progression is what matters. If it’s creeping down, you are succeeding
 
Hyde said:
Don’t worry about arbitrary numbers on the scale; focus on doing all of the things necessary to create general trending downward. One day, one weight doesn’t matter - you have seen me weight 218lbs in the morning and over 230 at bedtime with temporary water/food/electrolye manipulation.

The general progression is what matters. If it’s creeping down, you are succeeding
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totally agree. I do like to be goal oriented and right now since I'm not making weight for a comp of any kind, just trying to slice and dice, my targets are definitely arbitrary, but it's nice to have real numbers in my head to make goals measurable.

I am enjoying the ride, and I think the combo of the previous 2 years + new products i've been using are definitely yielding better mass. I'm really excited to see what I look like at a legit say 185. (I assume my legit weight today is 192, fully hydrated and fed)
 
Dustin07 said:
totally agree. I do like to be goal oriented and right now since I'm not making weight for a comp of any kind, just trying to slice and dice, my targets are definitely arbitrary, but it's nice to have real numbers in my head to make goals measurable.

I am enjoying the ride, and I think the combo of the previous 2 years + new products i've been using are definitely yielding better mass. I'm really excited to see what I look like at a legit say 185. (I assume my legit weight today is 192, fully hydrated and fed)
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Right, objective goals are important - I moreso meant that fasting to simply reduce water weight temporarily is not a real weight reduction. You’d be at the target weight, but not at the intended state. So the weight becomes arbitrary if the condition of normal hydration isn’t fulfilled.

Now if you wanted to fast to really help make up for the fat loss you were after but hadn’t managed to pull off, that would not be superficial - but the weight still is when fasted, in the sense that’s not where it’s going to stay.
 
Hyde said:
I moreso meant that fasting to simply reduce water weight temporarily is not a real weight reduction.
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yeah it's just mental masturbation, I get that for sure. same page-

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Now if you wanted to fast
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I'm not sure I do. Originally I had planned on a couple real fasts (30hr+) to kick start the gear cream but I was too excited and couldn't wait the extra 1-2 weeks to start this cycle, lol. Do you think it would still be beneficial, or at this point better to maintain nutrition even in a cut while on the gear cream? I had it in my head that I'd be better off not fasting while running this product.


I will say since day 1 of gear cream my appetitie has been UP.
UP in that, I get hungry, very hungry (vs without when fasting really wasn't that hard)
However, it's still about as easy as before to fill satiated. just means more discipline if I were to run a legit fast.

Unless I hear of recommendations from you otherwise, I don't really plan to fast at all in August except for perhaps IF on rest/cardio days like today.
 
Looks like Gear Cream and Carnitine are treating you right. Yeah, that guy obviously didn’t respect your property, and it sounds more likely that he was casing out your property to steal something, so smart move to show him you’re not someone to play with. We have a lot of property as well with no trespassing signs, and here in Georgia most people know if you trespass you could be shot. Ha, Kennesaw Georgia, north of Atlanta, passed a law in the 80s that every home needs to have at least one gun, and I think it’s still on the books.
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gphagan1 said:
We have a lot of property as well with no trespassing signs, and here in Georgia most people know if you trespass you could be shot. Ha, Kennesaw Georgia, north of Atlanta, passed a law in the 80s that every home needs to have at least one gun, and I think it’s still on the books.
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ha, I love that law.
I come from a small farm town about 1hr from where my wife and I live now. Her town WAS also a small farm/fishing town but now is about 50% California transplants (not joking, that number could be higher). So some of these people don't understand how a redneck operates and they have serious boundary / respect issues.
 
Dustin07 said:
ha, I love that law.
I come from a small farm town about 1hr from where my wife and I live now. Her town WAS also a small farm/fishing town but now is about 50% California transplants (not joking, that number could be higher). So some of these people don't understand how a redneck operates and they have serious boundary / respect issues.
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Yeah at one time, throughout the 80s, Kennesaw Georgia had the lowest crime rate per capita of any city in the US, and law enforcement attributed it to that law.😎
 
gphagan1 said:
Yeah at one time, throughout the 80s, Kennesaw Georgia had the lowest crime rate per capita of any city in the US, and law enforcement attributed it to that law.😎
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our town was recently ranked like #2 worst in the nation I believe by some metrics. The police force have downplayed it and said the number is likely half of that because we've become a tourist town and the number of people in town during those criminal activities is double the actual population. BUT That said, Washington is now ranked #2 worst for violent crime in the nation (ha). The same folks who defunded the police and fired the unvaccinated are now running heavy political ads about how their #1 priority is bolstering our police force (that they crushed) lol.
 
Dustin07 said:
our town was recently ranked like #2 worst in the nation I believe by some metrics. The police force have downplayed it and said the number is likely half of that because we've become a tourist town and the number of people in town during those criminal activities is double the actual population. BUT That said, Washington is now ranked #2 worst for violent crime in the nation (ha). The same folks who defunded the police and fired the unvaccinated are now running heavy political ads about how their #1 priority is bolstering our police force (that they crushed) lol.
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It doesn’t surprise me…..they want to defund the police, but then play dumb and wonder why crime rates have risen the last 4 years.
 
Bench
2 x 12 x 95
5 x 135, 175
1 x 205, 235, 255, 275, 290

Spottos
5 x 240

Touch n go
7 x 225
12 x 185

Lying Skull crushers
3 x 12 x 70lbs

Superset with machine dips
3 x 12

Seated DB OHP
12 x 35s
10 x 45s, 50s

Superset with tri cable push downs
3 x 15

Slight incline DB flies
3 x 10-13 x 35s

Pec deck
3 drop sets to failure.

Wanted to do some banded bench work and actual bodyweight dips + weight but gym was slammed so we grabbed what we could in the moment. Solid pumps. The spottos were sufficiently hard. On the fly, I would have liked to have maybe got 3x5 instead of 1x5, but did not think I had another 240 x 5 in me, and had a lot of accessory work on my mind. My lifting buddy and I have decided to bring some banded work back into the rotation though so that should happen next week.

For now, I'm happy with the increased frequency. My bench days have fallen off to like 6-8 days intervals which sucks. I have historically done best with 2x per week. so this is good progress regardless. From a BB standpoint, it just makes a shoulder isolation day harder to figure out. but I think with the accessories shoulders got hit just fine today.

Hit 2 pumps carnitine at 10 am on feet, 2 more on traps around 10:15am, went to gym at 10:30. Pump results felt about same as doing 2 pumps at 5am and 2 pumps at 10 am so I'm not sure I need to stress TOO much about it.

Gonna hit some evening cardio tonight on way home after work.
 
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Yeah with a transdermal it bleeds into the system over a period of time, then it just has to get into the muscle tissue to do it's thing once it is in the system. So timing won't be as big of a factor as it can be with an oral administration which can literally dump a lot of the product in the system at once making timing things a little more effective.
 
Dustin07 said:
yeah it's just mental masturbation, I get that for sure. same page-



I'm not sure I do. Originally I had planned on a couple real fasts (30hr+) to kick start the gear cream but I was too excited and couldn't wait the extra 1-2 weeks to start this cycle, lol. Do you think it would still be beneficial, or at this point better to maintain nutrition even in a cut while on the gear cream? I had it in my head that I'd be better off not fasting while running this product.


I will say since day 1 of gear cream my appetitie has been UP.
UP in that, I get hungry, very hungry (vs without when fasting really wasn't that hard)
However, it's still about as easy as before to fill satiated. just means more discipline if I were to run a legit fast.

Unless I hear of recommendations from you otherwise, I don't really plan to fast at all in August except for perhaps IF on rest/cardio days like today.
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I prefer to do the fasting when training is less important, and categorically training is more important when you have the means to take more advantage of it (like now, on PEDs). So no, now is a better time to get in the gym more based on my perception of your goals.
 
Evening cardio
Bike - 20min
Incline - 22min

Kept it around 117-133bpm. Only goal was to sweat a bit, move, but go east on feet and ankles. Next few days are uncertain so wanted to make sure I got my cardio in.
 
I woke up at 192.0 this morning, which feels fully accurate. I rehydrated and fully fed last night.

Wife saw her first noticeable bump down on the scale in I believe over a week as well so progress for us both which will probably help us to stay on it this weekend. I don't believe life/work will allow me into the gym today, so as of now I'm planning 2 good sessions Saturday/Sunday, and I'm still building a deck so NEAT/Output should be pretty good regardless.

Hyde said:
I prefer to do the fasting when training is less important, and categorically training is more important when you have the means to take more advantage of it (like now, on PEDs). So no, now is a better time to get in the gym more based on my perception of your goals.
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Only being 2 weeks in, it's obviously too early to say but it really feels like I'm having some productive hypertrophy gains, I do not feel like I'm losing size at all, despite the scale (now very slowly) still trending down. I am seeing vascularity improve finally, which is kind of cool. Something in my last couple months I believe has contributed to some tricep growth as well, which might be the addition of the skull crushers.
 
Dustin07 said:
I woke up at 192.0 this morning, which feels fully accurate. I rehydrated and fully fed last night.

Wife saw her first noticeable bump down on the scale in I believe over a week as well so progress for us both which will probably help us to stay on it this weekend. I don't believe life/work will allow me into the gym today, so as of now I'm planning 2 good sessions Saturday/Sunday, and I'm still building a deck so NEAT/Output should be pretty good regardless.



Only being 2 weeks in, it's obviously too early to say but it really feels like I'm having some productive hypertrophy gains, I do not feel like I'm losing size at all, despite the scale (now very slowly) still trending down. I am seeing vascularity improve finally, which is kind of cool. Something in my last couple months I believe has contributed to some tricep growth as well, which might be the addition of the skull crushers.
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Yeah skull crushers are an excellent mass builder for triceps, keeps high tension in the stretched position, and hits all 3 heads very well.
 
MrKleen73 said:
It is nice when you just get that locked in feeling isn't it? I love having very targeted days, I have long been a proponent of focusing specifically on Burn and Build days both with training, and nutrition.
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I feel like I should know this, but is the principle basically higher cal intake / heavy compound on build days; lower cal intake / high rep iso movements on burn days?

Dustin07 said:
yeah it's just mental masturbation, I get that for sure. same page-
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LOL'd out loud at this one.

Definitely weird about that encounter too...
 
Segansational said:
I feel like I should know this, but is the principle basically higher cal intake / heavy compound on build days; lower cal intake / high rep iso movements on burn days?



LOL'd out loud at this one.

Definitely weird about that encounter too...
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Most of my weight training days are considered Build days, off days, and cardio only days are burn days. Works out nicely when lifting 3-4 times a week. To be fair it is more of a lifestyle diet situation with a little more specificity than usual. I don't do the build and burn days right now, every day has the same meals and macros right now, and has been that way since training with my coach this last year.
 
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