TLMG's Jungle Warfare Log

Day 42

Today I did a modified D/C workout consisting of Traps, Quads, Biceps, Rear Delts, and Hamstrings.

Tomorrow I'll be weighing myself and will post a 6 week summary.
 
Day 43...6 week mini review

I weighed myself this morning....up 4lbs. I now weigh 240lbs. This measurement was taken slightly later in the morning than I usually take it, but this is "post-dump" and I haven't eaten and drank 4lbs of food and water today. If I factor in a bit more water consumption, at the very least I could put myself at 238lbs if I drank 2lbs of water...but then again I've undergone some major "urination excursions" this morning so it's hard to say.

So...

Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36: 236lbs
Day 43: 240lbs:jaw:

Alright, so at this point it's been 6 weeks since first begining this product so I thought it would be a good idea to post another set of thoughts at the 6 week mark.

Positives

*Increased Strength...definitely!
*Increased Libido.
*Increased stamina and performance in the gym.
*Definite increases with muscle mass.
*Better overall attitude...just a general feeling of feeling good.
*Heightened alpha male attitude.
*Pumps that last all day...very nice vasodilation effect.
*Increased muscle belly fullness

Negatives...again, if you can really call them that

*I have to say that I haven't noticed any fat loss from JW...that would be my one major negative at this point. I've been hitting cardio 2x a week HIIT style. And all of my carbs are from raw oatmeal, brown rice....stuff like that. Maybe I'm eating too much.
*A bit of increased acne and oily skin for the first 10 days or so. At 6 weeks I still have yet to experience an increase in acne past those initial days.
*I'm a bit moodier than usual and I get agitated more easily.

Today may or may not be a cardio day. I have a physics exam tomorrow and I have to study for that. Blah.
 
Good log bro, and nice gains! I've been following along but I dont remember if you said that you upped the dosage from the recommended 3 per day. I'm on week 3 of JW myself and I am considering upping the dosage to 4 per day. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
 
maximus79 said:
Good log bro, and nice gains! I've been following along but I dont remember if you said that you upped the dosage from the recommended 3 per day. I'm on week 3 of JW myself and I am considering upping the dosage to 4 per day. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
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Yes, I'm at 4 caps and loving it.
 
Wow, those are awesome gains! I know there's far too many variables involved for an accurate guess, but if you had to guess, what do you think the scale would be reading right now if you hadn't run the Jungle Warfare, but had the same calorie intake and lifting plan?
 
max silver said:
Wow, those are awesome gains! I know there's far too many variables involved for an accurate guess, but if you had to guess, what do you think the scale would be reading right now if you hadn't run the Jungle Warfare, but had the same calorie intake and lifting plan?
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And WOW to you too!! Damn that's a wonderful avatar you have!! JW makes me horny! LOL!! I can't help it! :D That isn't your ass by chance in that avatar is it??!!!

Anyways...ok, mind out of the gutter. I don't make these kinds of gains on a regular basis when eating 500kcal above maint, even when I'm taking creatine/CEE. And I think 500kcal above maint is almost too much for me as I tend to gain bodyfat at that point. However, given the repartitioning effect of the JW I think I'm avoiding a lot of that fat gain.

You ask a very good, yet tough question! If I had to guess I would say that in 5 weeks, if I were not using JW or anything else (creatine and such), the scale would probably read 232lbs or so (10lbs as stated from the initial refeed/glycogen replenishment effect, and then maybe 2lbs on top of that). It's hard to say. I find I go through spurts of growth, as it's a continual process of figuring out what works for my body and what doesn't. Sometimes I'll notice some rapid development in an area that was otherwise a few weeks prior not as developed. And then it stops. And it's back to the drawing board to find new stimuli that shocks it just enough to grow.

What I can say is that this has been a very positive experience from a product that I was initially very skeptical about. Now, a question I'm curious about is "how much weight would I have gained if I had stuck with my old lifting routine and not decided to venture into Doggcrapp training?" I've been using that style however for the last 6 weeks and I'm still progressing. That usually doesn't happen with any given style. Usually after 4-6 weeks my body gets use to it and stops responding. So, given that I'm going to run this for 12 full weeks, if I continue to respond the same way during the next 6 weeks as I did the first 6 weeks, then that should also be an excellent measuring stick for the effectiveness of Jungle Warfare. That'll basically tell us that even though I may have adapted to Doggcrapp, the JW is still producing a significant effect and is responsible for that effect to generate new muscle, allowing me to overcome the adaptation principle that should be kicking in right about now.
 
Terminator LMG said:
JW makes me horny! LOL!! I can't help it! :D That isn't your ass by chance in that avatar is it??!!!
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Whoa there cowboy! That's definitely not my ass in the avatar. If it were I suspect I wouldn't be able to keep my hands off myself though....

I'm leaning towards trying out DC training myself (alongside JW as well) when I finish cutting. It appears that the beauty with a training style such as DC is that the gains should keep coming and not leave the lifter as prone to plateaus.
 
Day 44....dosage increasing to 5 caps

Yet another kickass workout! Today was DC style of Chest/Tris/Back/Delts.

Chest

Seated Hammer Strength Dips: 320lbs for 7,5,4,3 Rest/Pause
*I had to find a new exercise to stress my chest because all benching movements still cause a slight pain in my shoulder. So the focus on this today was not so much how much I could lift but rather angling my body so that the majority of the stress was placed on the chest muscles and not the triceps.

Triceps
Decline Close Grip Press (smith machine): 275lbs for 7,4,3,2.
*I could have gone a bit heavier, but again, I'm sort of playing it safe with the shoulder.

Back (Width)

Reverse Grip PD: 200lbs for 9,7,5,3....This exercise I've just exploded on in terms of strength gains.

Back (Thickness)
Rack Pulls(deadlifts): 315lbs for 9 reps
*2nd set of 225lbs for 12 reps
*3rd set of 22lbs for 10 reps

Delts

Upright Rows: Blah...135lbs for 12,8,6....I was so damn tired at this point.

Tomorrow
Cardio, calves and abs.
 
Day 46

Yesterday was 20 minutes of HIIT style cardio, 5 sets of abs, 4 sets of calves with each set being a 30 reps set.

Today was DC workout A for Traps, Quads, Biceps, Forearms, and Hammies.

Strength is still on the rise. Today I used 75lb dumbells for Bicep Hammer curls for 10 reps!!! Nice, slow, and easily controlled reps. All jaws just dropped in the gym. :jaw: LOL!! That means next time I hit workout A for these groups I'll be bumping it up to 80lb dumbells for Bicep Hammer Curls!! Damn!! I'm stoked!

I will venture to say this and that is, in the 3 ergomax cycles I have run, I did not experience the type of strength gains from it as I am with Jungle Warfare. I don't know what the hell Author did to this stuff, but it's rockin'!!!
 
DAMN, 75 lb. hammer curls, thats it, I will start JW on Monday, when will these strength gains level off, this is really impressive to say the least......
 
RipdnTxs said:
DAMN, 75 lb. hammer curls, thats it, I will start JW on Monday, when will these strength gains level off, this is really impressive to say the least......
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I haven't noticed any leveling off of strength gains yet!!! The most noticeable strength gains will kick in after week 2, the beginning of week 3....at least based on my personal experience.
 
Day 50

Sorry for the lack of updates over the weekend. It was my 27th birthday on Sunday so my wife and I spent the whole weekend partying!

I weighed myself this morning....down 1lb. I now weigh 239lbs. This measurement was taken first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Between weeks 5-6 I gained 4lbs, going from 236lbs - 240lbs. That seemed VERY odd to me and some other factor had to be contributing to that as there surely wasn't 4lbs of pure lean new muscle on me. So, even though I am down 1lb, I am still up 3lbs in the last 2 weeks, which seems to me to be a little more reasonable and consistent with what ALRI claims. I'm feeling leaner and look leaner so I have to believe that the loss of 1lb is due to fat loss.

So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36: 236lbs
Day 43: 240lbs
Day 50: 239lbs....see explanation above for those of you who are "number scanners" and skip everything else in the log!!!

Alright, so at this point it's been 7 weeks since first begining this product so I thought it would be a good idea to post another set of thoughts at the 7 week mark.

Positives

*Increased Strength...definitely!
*Increased Libido.
*Increased stamina and performance in the gym.
*Definite increases with muscle mass.
*Better overall attitude...just a general feeling of feeling good.
*Heightened alpha male attitude.
*Pumps that last all day...very nice vasodilation effect.
*Increased muscle belly fullness

Negatives...again, if you can really call them that

*A bit of increased acne and oily skin for the first 10 days or so. At 7 weeks I still have yet to experience an increase in acne comparable to those initial 10 days.
*I'm a bit moodier w/ 5 caps and I get agitated more easily compared to when I was taking 3 and 4 caps.

Today will be a cardio day and calves day.
 
max silver said:
At what point do you think you'll be taking a rest break, or a "cruise" period as advocated in DC training?
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I'm at what now...week 7? Good question. I've thought about it but have so busy that it's been at the back of my mind. Any suggestions???
 
Day 52

Today will be cardio and abs.

Yesterday's workout (sorry for not posting that up for those of you interested), was another blast and damn was I worn out at the end.

One of my primary goals at the start of this log was to get my grip strength up, along with forearm development. Well, that goal is definitely being accomplished. For example, prior to starting JW, when it came to dumbell shrugs for traps, before I had to use wrist straps just to hold onto the 125lb dumbells. And I would get maybe 10 reps on a good day, but would be left with suicide cuts on my wrists. NOW....I can hold onto the 130lb dumbells for dumbell shrugs, and I can rep those out for 8 solid reps before my grip fails.

I have been using 5 caps for the past few days, but I'm so frickin' moody at that dose that I bumped it back down to 4 caps as of yesterday. To be moody for the sake of an extra cap that may or may not be significantly beneficial to me is not worth the moodiness and quietness that I've exhibited around my wife. She deserves better. At 4 caps I had no prob, 5 caps for me was too much.
 
phasar said:
so u are saying moodiness = quietness for you?
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Yes, in a way. When I'm moody I'll come right out and tell my wife. I'll say "Sweetie, I'm on my period for whatever reason right now so if I seem quiet, I just want you to know that it has nothing to do with you." Or I'll just come out and tell her that I'm being irrationally stupid/moody right now. I'm very upfront about that kind of stuff as it would be unfair of me to let her think that I was pissed at her for some unknown reason. And she does the same for me. We work well together.

So, when I get moody, a lot of times I just don't say much because there really isn't anything positive for me to say in the first place. When I cool down though and am more "level headed" and rational, we talk.

I usually don't deal too well with extreme heat. Being that it's summer and hot out, on top of the "heating effect" I've noticed from JW, I can get moody over the stupidest, most trivial things. Things that shouldn't be a big deal become one. And, I have a very good sense of when I'm behaving in such a way and recognize it very quickly. I know that when I cool down I'll just be laughing about it.

The heating effect, by the way, is something else that I've noticed about JW. My body heat has been cranked like crazy. I didn't say anything at first b/c duh, it's summer and it's hot. And I'm usually a human furnace compared to my wife. But my body temp lately has been equal to a human crematory, and that's odd even for me!
 
I noticed the same kind of heat production when I ran activate/rebound xt during the winter. I was absolutely cooking most of the time. What makes it even worse is that I really don't tend to sweat unless I'm extremely hot, so the heat would just stick with me most of the time. I had to sleep with a window open in the winter with a fan pointed at me to maintain a comfortable body temperature.
 
max silver said:
I noticed the same kind of heat production when I ran activate/rebound xt during the winter. I was absolutely cooking most of the time. What makes it even worse is that I really don't tend to sweat unless I'm extremely hot, so the heat would just stick with me most of the time. I had to sleep with a window open in the winter with a fan pointed at me to maintain a comfortable body temperature.
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LOL about the fan and window open during the winter!! That's SOOO me!! The heating effect seems to increase throughout the day. I notice the greatest heating effect later at night, as it seems to intensify from 7pm on. I'm burning up by bed time and cannot sleep with any covers on me!!
 
Day 53

Today was D/C workout C for Chest, Tris, Back and Delts

Back (Width): Pullups: With bodyweight for 8,3,3,3,3 rest/pause. Last week I did 6,2,2,2,2.

Chest: Hammer Strength Dips (Leaning forward): 360lbs for 9,5,3 rest/pause. My shoulder feels just fine on this for some reason.

Triceps: Skull Crushers (closer grip on an EZ curl bar): 115lbs for 10,4,3,2.
*Overhead Ext (1-arm): 42.5lbs for 7,2.

Back (Thickness): Wide Grip row Machine using 100. 3x

I tried doing one arm DB rows today but just couldn't seem to get my scapulae to rotate correctly. Thus I wasted a lot of energy in that attempt and my strength in the machine row suffered.

Delts: Hammer Strength Behind-Neck Press: forget!!! sorry.
*One arm side laterals: 42.5 for 11,5,4,3.

Another very solid workout today with some nice strength improvements.
 
Week 8...days 56-57

I weighed myself this morning....I now weigh 241lbs. This measurement was taken first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

So...

Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36: 236lbs
Day 43: 240lbs
Day 50: 239lbs....see explanation above for those of you who are "number scanners" and skip everything else in the log!!!
Day 57: 241lbs

I have another nasty physics exam tomorrow, so when I get some time, either later today or tomorrow, I'll post up my final review and thoughts on the product for everyone to read

And, keep an eye out because my next log will be with ALRI's NEW product Restore and Jungle Warfare!! COMING SOON!!
 
Damn nice results man, even the 11 pounds in 2 months after the glycogen refill is still a very impressive gain. I look forward to your next log, it'll be interesting to see how Restore and Jungle Warfare work for you in comparison to Jungle Warfare alone (which was obviously awesome).
 
Final Review

Let me start this review by saying that I was VERY skeptical about this product at first. An herbal product claiming 12-15lbs of lean mass in 12 weeks, plus a loss of 6lbs of bodyfat and no pct...I thought to myself "Yeah right!" After having used Jungle Warfare for the last 8 weeks, I have nothing but love for the product!!! This has been one of THEE best products that I have used. I started at 220lbs after a cut with ALRI's Venom Tri-lean stack. I ended my 8 weeks at 241lbs! Now...the first 10lbs I firmly believe was due to my refeeding, eating more calories, glycogen replenishment, etc, after the cut cycle I ran. After that however, my gains were very consistent from week to week (in accordance with ALRI's claims). I gained between 1-2lbs per week of lean muscle mass. Overall I net 11lbs of lean muscle off this cycle in 8 weeks....I think that's about equal to what people are keeping after 3 weeks of superdrol and 4 weeks of post cycle therapy!!

The positive effects from Jungle Warfare REALLY started to kick in around week 3....thus I wouldn't recommend that anyone use the product for just 4 weeks as I don't believe you'll be getting the maximum benefit out of it. In week 3 is when I really started noticing the biggest effects from the product. For example, the strength gains from Jungle Warfare I will say are equal to the strength gains I experienced on Ergomax LMG. This was the most immediate effect that I noticed from Jungle Warfare. I'll give you guys some examples.

Dumbell Shrugs for Traps

Start: 110lbs for 8 End: 130lbs for 8......no wrist straps!!!

Barbell Shrugs for Traps

Start: 250lbs for 10 End: 315lbs for 12...no straps!!

Incline Bench Press

Start: 315lbs for 7 reps End: 335lbs for 11

Triceps Cable Pushdowns (Elbows Flared)...single pully

Start: 260lbs for 9 End: 320 for 9

Dumbell Hammer Curls

Start: 70lbs for 10 End 80lb dumbells for 7 reps

Squats

Start: 225 for 12 End: 315lbs for 7...ass almost to the ground!



Here is a list of the overall positive effects that I noticed

*Increased Strength...definitely!
*Increased Libido.
*Increased stamina and performance in the gym.
*Definite increases with muscle mass.
*Better overall attitude...just a general feeling of feeling good.
*Heightened alpha male attitude.
*Pumps that last all day...very nice vasodilation effect.
*Increased muscle hardness

A few minor negatives

*A bit of increased acne and oily skin for the first 10 days. After that it subsided and I would get a random zit here and there. Skin however was a bit oilier than normal.
*The Thermo Effect: By this I mean that my body temp rivaled that of a sick kid with the flu! My wife said that she could just "feel the heat radiating off of me!" This made my very uncomfortable as a lot of times I would want to "get it on" but then I would be so damn hot that it would just be too uncomfortable to do it. But then again it is summer time. I almost didn't mention this effect until FitnFirm brought it up to me, along with a few others. I didn't want to cry wolf when there was a perfectly rational explaination with it being summer. But others noticed too, so how much of it is due to the JW and how much is due to normal summer weather is tough to say. I live in Washington state however, just outside of Seattle so it doesn't get too not up here.
*A bit more moodier at higher dosages around 5 caps.
*I didn't really experience much of "fat loss" effect from the product like ALRI claimed. It could have easily been my diet as eating 4000 kcals, evenly distributed throughout the day, is tough as nails. I give props to guys like Ronnie and Jay who must being eating 2 1/2 horses every day! 4000 kcals is probably one meal to them! I could very well have been over eating for my body.

My overall weight gain charted Week by Week

Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36: 236lbs
Day 43: 240lbs
Day 50: 239lbs.
Day 57: 241lbs

I will definitely be using this product again soon. I will be starting an 8 week cycle with ALRI's Restore and Jungle Warfare very soon!

The link for the whole log is in my signature. If there is anything that I did not cover in my review, please ask away or pm me :)
 
Nice job tlmg great to see some solid, side effect low, results.
now im curious to see how your gains hold and how your natty test resumes W/O JW. Nice lifts, nice gains, great log.
 
somewhatgifted said:
Nice job tlmg great to see some solid, side effect low, results.
now im curious to see how your gains hold and how your natty test resumes W/O JW. Nice lifts, nice gains, great log.
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Thanks :) I'm curious about that too.
 
i meant it looks like around 8 days since he stopped using it. so was wondering if strength decreased at all, or any change in physique appearance....
 
phasar said:
i meant it looks like around 8 days since he stopped using it. so was wondering if strength decreased at all, or any change in physique appearance....
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No, nothing noticeable or significant yet. :dance:
 
3 week Update

Ok, it's been roughly 3 weeks since the end of my JW cycle so I thought I'd do a follow up on my log.

Strength: Slight decreases in some lifts, strength increases in others.

Libido: Slightly lower than when I was on it, but it's still just out of control!!! I'm a "waiting to happen" typical driver that sees a hot-ass girl while driving, forgets completely about the road, and then gets into a wreck.

Pump & Vascularity: Have naturally decreased since the end of the cycle.

Muscle Mass: No noticeable decrease or loss in muscle mass.

Psychology: This is what I want to address. I am experiencing those "Post cycle therapy Blues". I am depressed, have little interest in working out, or even going to the gym for that matter, and getting me to the gym is like pulling teeth and nails. It's very hard to maintain my eating, and I could really care less about it right now!! If I'm hungry I'm hungry, if I'm not I'm not. And this attitude is sort of carrying over to other areas of my life. It's a sort of feeling of uncertainty and hopelessness. Basically, mild depression.

Has anyone else experienced this effect after using JW??? I am starting to wonder if a "ramping-down" isn't necessary with this. I used a slight ramp-down for 1 week, but that doesn't seem to have done much! The funny thing is that I'm am laughing at myself for this situation and for feeling this way because I know exactly what is causing it!! No blindness here!! Aaahh well. Such are the ups and downs of changing hormonal levels in the body.
 
I wonder if using Restore during the cycle, and continuing a week or two past jungle warfare would be of use for maintaining/returing hormonal levels to normal? Could you perhaps be overtrained by any chance? You did perform DC training at a high intensity for an extended period of time, perhaps you just need a week or two of rest.
 
max silver said:
I wonder if using Restore during the cycle, and continuing a week or two past jungle warfare would be of use for maintaining/returing hormonal levels to normal? Could you perhaps be overtrained by any chance? You did perform DC training at a high intensity for an extended period of time, perhaps you just need a week or two of rest.
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Those were my initial thoughts...about over training and pushing myself so hard for 8 weeks. I thought that maybe I just need to do a cruise phase for a couple weeks and just chill on it. But the symptoms are very reminiscent of, if not identicle to, pct after ergomax. I believe that the intense training on my part has some role in the effects, but I also believe that my mood is hormonally influenced as well, due to the cesation of the product. I'll get over it! LOL!!
 
hmmmmm..... bummer. hopefully, it'll look up.

boy, this stuff is the bomb. the constant hunger i was complaining about is still there...... but the weight has gone up a bit... that however, is not the biggest plus the body re-comp in the mirror is quite noticeable.

ummm....what else... i had a post a couple months ago complaining about traps and how it was impossible to get them to grow. they would hypertrophy and hurt for a couple days after working on them....but after that they just go right back to their original size....it's a real bummer.... but similar to superdrol, although i can't get my muscles to achieve that total failure feeling anymore (the only time i really can is when i am not on anything) but the traps have never looked this pumped AFTER being worked on last a week ago..... so i can only assume it is the JW.

terminator: what r u going do? r u just gonna wing it?
 
phasar said:
hmmmmm..... bummer. hopefully, it'll look up.

boy, this stuff is the bomb. the constant hunger i was complaining about is still there...... but the weight has gone up a bit... that however, is not the biggest plus the body re-comp in the mirror is quite noticeable.

ummm....what else... i had a post a couple months ago complaining about traps and how it was impossible to get them to grow. they would hypertrophy and hurt for a couple days after working on them....but after that they just go right back to their original size....it's a real bummer.... but similar to superdrol, although i can't get my muscles to achieve that total failure feeling anymore (the only time i really can is when i am not on anything) but the traps have never looked this pumped AFTER being worked on last a week ago..... so i can only assume it is the JW.

terminator: what r u going do? r u just gonna wing it?
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About your traps....in general, the pumps I got from JW were wonderful. It was like a mild, 24/7 pump throughout all of my muscles.

I just have to ride it out. Today I didn't feel nearly as down as I had the past few days. So things are possibly on the up swing now. I believe I just need to get re-focused on a new goal. Once I have a clear direction I believe it will ease up tremendously. I just hate feeling like I'm floating without a clear direction on where I'm going. I will be starting a Restore/Jungle Warfare log in about a week and a half however, so it is time for me to sit down, re-evaluate where I'm at, and decide on where I want to go.
 
I look forward to the log. In a month or so I'll be running Jungle Warfare/Restore myself, alongside a modified DC style of training. I train at home due to time constraints, but after 2.5 weeks, I can say that I'm loving it so far.
 
Looks like I arrived a little late to this thread but, great job on all this Term. I read from 1-8 tonight and was absorbed by your efforts. I have to admit that you sound like a cheerleader for ALRI at times but, I can relate to "product enthusiasm". You seem to be the first truly sick gainer Ive read about on thre JW so far and Im glad for ya. Cant argue with those gains bro, and one fantastic log.
 
Shaolin Style said:
Looks like I arrived a little late to this thread but, great job on all this Term. I read from 1-8 tonight and was absorbed by your efforts. I have to admit that you sound like a cheerleader for ALRI at times but, I can relate to "product enthusiasm". You seem to be the first truly sick gainer Ive read about on thre JW so far and Im glad for ya. Cant argue with those gains bro, and one fantastic log.
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ALRI cheerleader huh?!! That's a good one, LOL!! :toofunny: I'll agree with my "product enthusiasm." I was very skeptical at first and thought there was a good degree of bulls#it behind the claims. I think I was just a little bit wrong on that! This product, for me at least, delivered above and beyond what I expected. A lot of times if you expect something to work, it will...the classic placebo effect. But I wasn't expecting it to live up to claims and JW surpassed my expectations, which brought out the enthusiastic cheerleader in me. I was really trying to avoid doing that but I guess I failed! LOL!!

Thank you for the compliments, and I'm glad that my efforts were helpful to you. :cheers:
 
Terminator LMG said:
ALRI cheerleader huh?!! That's a good one, LOL!! :toofunny: I'll agree with my "product enthusiasm." I was very skeptical at first and thought there was a good degree of bulls#it behind the claims. I think I was just a little bit wrong on that! This product, for me at least, delivered above and beyond what I expected. A lot of times if you expect something to work, it will...the classic placebo effect. But I wasn't expecting it to live up to claims and JW surpassed my expectations, which brought out the enthusiastic cheerleader in me. I was really trying to avoid doing that but I guess I failed! LOL!!

Thank you for the compliments, and I'm glad that my efforts were helpful to you. :cheers:
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LOL, no disrespect intended of course (cheerleader thing). Definitely gonna have to snag 5 or 6 bottles of JW so I can do it right. Big Dollars=Big Boys, hee hee... aahhh....... good times. Now whered I put that loan application:whiner:
 
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