stinkfinger
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I'm waiting this log and others out to decide whether to go with JW or HD this august. Both should be pretty good. Right now I'm leaning toward JW. Of course not many Hyperdrol logs yet.
TLMG's Jungle Warfare Log
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Terminator LMG
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machinehead said:
The DC training I'm using was taken right from Dante's mouth out of the pages of the July 2006 issue of Ironman. The article with Dante is called Dante's Inferno: Who Is He, and Why Is Doggcrapp Training Building So Much Muscle Mass?
And me too, I'm no expert myself either as this is all new to me so I'll definitely be reading over the manual you linked up
Thanks!! I'm curious what the similarities and differences are between the two.Terminator LMG
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RipdnTxs said:
Hey thanks
No, I haven't noticed any anxiety. The only psychological effect I've noticed is a heightened feeling of being the "alpha male." I'm a firm believer though that a lot of times when something different happens, generally speaking of course, people's first response is to say that it is a result of the supplement. I call this the "Damn I farted and it reeks like hell more than usual. It must be because of the new supplement I'm taking"...effect. I know I've done this before. Did the anxiety go away after stopping the use of JW??
machinehead
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Well basically you have to do one RP set of only one exercise, deadlifts, forearms, calves and quads excluded. Also, you have to do the 2 way split not the 3 way you just started, it is for those with superior recovery ability and definately not for those just starting.
The 3 exercises he listed are to be rotated, not done all at once. I see how it can be confusing the way it's laid out in the magazine. You will eventually set it up right, good luck!
...and I say 'have to' because everything is the way it is for a reason...
The 3 exercises he listed are to be rotated, not done all at once. I see how it can be confusing the way it's laid out in the magazine. You will eventually set it up right, good luck!
...and I say 'have to' because everything is the way it is for a reason...
Terminator LMG
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machinehead said:
I gotcha ya
I see where I'm making my mistakes. Thank you very much for that document!! I'll have it set up correctly for next week and get it started again...correctly this time:cheers: .Oh hey, and by the way, are you using Doggcrapp training right now? And if so, are the gains in terms of strength and mass really as significant as claimed?
machinehead
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Terminator LMG said:
I did it for 5 weeks back in May. I was cutting and I was able to gain a little lbm while losing some [not too much] fat. I looked full all the time on very little carbs and was getting stronger beyond belief. I can't wait to start it again on a bulk! I think the claims are not far-fetched at all, although individual results will vary greatly.
Terminator LMG
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Day 17
Yeah, in just 2 workouts I've gone from incline benching 315 for 6 reps to failure before starting the rest/pause reps, to benching 315lbs for 9 reps before I hit failure. Damn I'm sure the DC style has a good deal to do with that, and the Jungle Warfare too I've noticed has allowed me to make some very noticeable strength gains. The two together will be what I'll be using for the next 5 1/2 weeks.
So...I weighed myself this morning and I'm still at 230lbs. Now, I'm leaner than I was last week, and I'm looking bigger in the mirror when I'm cold, first thing in the morning. That's going to be the hard part with Jungle Warfare. It's not like Ergomax where the number jumps are very significant over a short period of time as you gain 15lbs in 4 weeks. With the JW there seems to be a 2:1 ratio between muscle mass gained and body fat lost. Kind of like 2 steps forward and one step backward on the scale. So it'll be a bit harder as I've noticed that some people tend to pay more attention to the actual change in #'s than the reasoning behind the changes in the #'s. So even though it looks like I'm stagnant right now, I'm really not. Changes are happening.
About the photos....I did get them, but I'm going to be brutally honest in saying that the quality just sucks ass. A picture taken up close looks like it was taken at 2 miles away, even on Zoom in!! So...back to square one for this. I may just have to break down and buy a damn digital myself because I really want everyone reading this to see the changes. And if worse comes to worse there should at least be an "after" photo that I can post up...not ideal but better than nothing. There should be some good 4th of July sales coming up this weekend so I'll be keeping an eye out on the adds.
Overall though, at 2 1/2 weeks in I'm impressed. For a non hormonal product the strength gains, increased stamina, increased libido and reduction in body fat coupled with a noticeably more muscular physique is pretty damn good.
No noticeable side effects to report so far. No hairloss, no shedding, no increase in acne...pretty smooth sailing from a purely visual standpoint.
machinehead said:
Yeah, in just 2 workouts I've gone from incline benching 315 for 6 reps to failure before starting the rest/pause reps, to benching 315lbs for 9 reps before I hit failure. Damn
I'm sure the DC style has a good deal to do with that, and the Jungle Warfare too I've noticed has allowed me to make some very noticeable strength gains. The two together will be what I'll be using for the next 5 1/2 weeks. So...I weighed myself this morning and I'm still at 230lbs. Now, I'm leaner than I was last week, and I'm looking bigger in the mirror when I'm cold, first thing in the morning. That's going to be the hard part with Jungle Warfare. It's not like Ergomax where the number jumps are very significant over a short period of time as you gain 15lbs in 4 weeks. With the JW there seems to be a 2:1 ratio between muscle mass gained and body fat lost. Kind of like 2 steps forward and one step backward on the scale. So it'll be a bit harder as I've noticed that some people tend to pay more attention to the actual change in #'s than the reasoning behind the changes in the #'s. So even though it looks like I'm stagnant right now, I'm really not. Changes are happening.
About the photos....I did get them, but I'm going to be brutally honest in saying that the quality just sucks ass. A picture taken up close looks like it was taken at 2 miles away, even on Zoom in!! So...back to square one for this. I may just have to break down and buy a damn digital myself because I really want everyone reading this to see the changes. And if worse comes to worse there should at least be an "after" photo that I can post up...not ideal but better than nothing. There should be some good 4th of July sales coming up this weekend so I'll be keeping an eye out on the adds.
Overall though, at 2 1/2 weeks in I'm impressed. For a non hormonal product the strength gains, increased stamina, increased libido and reduction in body fat coupled with a noticeably more muscular physique is pretty damn good.
No noticeable side effects to report so far. No hairloss, no shedding, no increase in acne...pretty smooth sailing from a purely visual standpoint.
Terminator LMG
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phasar said:
Well, the camera we borrowed sucks. The pics look like I'm standing 2 miles away even on zoom. I do have some non-digital pics that we took of my wife and I in Vegas on our honeymoon. I think next time I'm over at my parent's place I'll get the pics scanned and post them up. They're right before I started JW. Although I have a shirt on, it's really tight and you can get a good idea of my build.
Terminator LMG
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Day 19
I've been having some kickass strength gains this past week. On Sunday I was only able to incline bench 315lbs for 6 reps. On Thursday however I incline benched 315 for 9 reps....that's 3 extra reps in less than week!! Cool in my book I've switched to a DC style of training and I'm really enjoying the change up in my workouts. Coupled with the JW and how strong it is making me feel, I think I'm in for some really solid strength gains with some mass added on the side. Almost all of my lifts have been going up, either in weight or in the # of reps I'm cranking out.
I'll be weighing myself again on Tuesday. My diet is still at 4000 kcals a day with cardio 2x a week. So far so good.
I've been having some kickass strength gains this past week. On Sunday I was only able to incline bench 315lbs for 6 reps. On Thursday however I incline benched 315 for 9 reps....that's 3 extra reps in less than week!! Cool in my book I've switched to a DC style of training and I'm really enjoying the change up in my workouts. Coupled with the JW and how strong it is making me feel, I think I'm in for some really solid strength gains with some mass added on the side. Almost all of my lifts have been going up, either in weight or in the # of reps I'm cranking out.
I'll be weighing myself again on Tuesday. My diet is still at 4000 kcals a day with cardio 2x a week. So far so good.
Terminator LMG
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Day 21
I think the biggest effect I am noticing thus far from Jungle Warfare is strength, and a heightened alpha male attitude, more so than the usual for me.
As I said last week I have revamped my workout to be a DC style of training. I'm not using pure DC, as the guys in Ironman Magazine had some nifty ideas to tweak Dante's concept, so I'm employing some of those little techniques in there as well. I figure that I'm on a product that enhances my natural test levels so recovery will be a bit quicker than normal. For example, Here's a sample of today's workout.
Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back (Thickness, Width).
Chest:
Decline Hammer Strength: 480lbs for 8 reps, 3, 2, 2 Rest/Pause.
I incorporated a second set whereby I did normal reps for 10 reps, but finished the set with 5 X-reps (as talked about in Ironman Magazine).
A month ago I was struggling to get 6 reps with 20lbs LESS than this.
Delts:
Military Press: 205lbs for 10 reps, 3, 2, 2. Rest/Pause
Second Set was lighter with 155lbs. However, rather than doing normal reps, I would "double dip" in the sweet spot and do 2 partials at the bottom of the movement before moving the weight all the way back up to the top.
Triceps:
Cable Pushdowns (Elbows flared Jay Cutler Style): 300lbs for 8 reps, 4, 3, 3.
The second set was lighter incorporating the same "double dipping" in the sweet spot of the movement to recruit more fibers. It's like a 1 1/2 rep, but with 2 half reps between a single full rep.
Back Thickness
Machine Rows: 150lbs rest/Pause style...not that much, but to give you an idea a couple months ago I was struggling with 100lbs on this.
Back Width
Lat Pulldowns: 210lbs 6, 3, 3, 2 rest/pause.
No noticeable side effects thus far. My libido is still very high and there is more volume to my ejaculate. The pumps are still VERY nice and last all day. I'm kind of sort of noticing some leaning out effects but not a whole lot at this point. I'm only 3 weeks in and results are coming slowly but surely. Like I said above, I'm noticing a heightened alpha male attitude, and I'm a bit more "moody" at times as I've upped the dosage from 3 to 4 caps. Tomorrow I will weigh myself. I sent some pics to ALRI so hopefully Author will take a look at them and let us know about body size and dosing soon, along with prior androgen use.
Till tomorrow, peace out everyone
I think the biggest effect I am noticing thus far from Jungle Warfare is strength, and a heightened alpha male attitude, more so than the usual for me.
As I said last week I have revamped my workout to be a DC style of training. I'm not using pure DC, as the guys in Ironman Magazine had some nifty ideas to tweak Dante's concept, so I'm employing some of those little techniques in there as well. I figure that I'm on a product that enhances my natural test levels so recovery will be a bit quicker than normal. For example, Here's a sample of today's workout.
Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back (Thickness, Width).
Chest:
Decline Hammer Strength: 480lbs for 8 reps, 3, 2, 2 Rest/Pause.
I incorporated a second set whereby I did normal reps for 10 reps, but finished the set with 5 X-reps (as talked about in Ironman Magazine).
A month ago I was struggling to get 6 reps with 20lbs LESS than this.
Delts:
Military Press: 205lbs for 10 reps, 3, 2, 2. Rest/Pause
Second Set was lighter with 155lbs. However, rather than doing normal reps, I would "double dip" in the sweet spot and do 2 partials at the bottom of the movement before moving the weight all the way back up to the top.
Triceps:
Cable Pushdowns (Elbows flared Jay Cutler Style): 300lbs for 8 reps, 4, 3, 3.
The second set was lighter incorporating the same "double dipping" in the sweet spot of the movement to recruit more fibers. It's like a 1 1/2 rep, but with 2 half reps between a single full rep.
Back Thickness
Machine Rows: 150lbs rest/Pause style...not that much, but to give you an idea a couple months ago I was struggling with 100lbs on this.
Back Width
Lat Pulldowns: 210lbs 6, 3, 3, 2 rest/pause.
No noticeable side effects thus far. My libido is still very high and there is more volume to my ejaculate. The pumps are still VERY nice and last all day. I'm kind of sort of noticing some leaning out effects but not a whole lot at this point. I'm only 3 weeks in and results are coming slowly but surely. Like I said above, I'm noticing a heightened alpha male attitude, and I'm a bit more "moody" at times as I've upped the dosage from 3 to 4 caps. Tomorrow I will weigh myself. I sent some pics to ALRI so hopefully Author will take a look at them and let us know about body size and dosing soon, along with prior androgen use.
Till tomorrow, peace out everyone
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 22
I weighed myself this morning....up 2lbs. I now weigh 232lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. Now that seems to be a bit more consistent with the Jungle Warfare writeup!! My goal for next week is 234lbs.
So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29:...???
I'm up 12lbs in body weight, and my strength and libido are way up as well. 2 thumbs up so far. I bet I can gain an average of 2lbs a week.
Daily caloric intake will be just above 4000 kcals.
I weighed myself this morning....up 2lbs. I now weigh 232lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. Now that seems to be a bit more consistent with the Jungle Warfare writeup!! My goal for next week is 234lbs.
So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29:...???
I'm up 12lbs in body weight, and my strength and libido are way up as well. 2 thumbs up so far. I bet I can gain an average of 2lbs a week.
Daily caloric intake will be just above 4000 kcals.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 23
D/C day of Quads, Hammies, traps, Biceps and Forearms...(I put calves in after cardio).
For a "non-hormonal" product this stuff sure gives some wicked strength gains. Today I loaded up three 45lb plates on a Hammer Strength Preacher Curl and did a rest pause set of a total of 12 reps. I hit 6 reps before hitting failure...then went into my rest/pause reps. All of my lifts are definitely going up.
I decided to add in a rest/pause set of barbell shrugs, followed by another just straight set to failure simply because big traps just look powerful. I also have stuck to not using any wrist straps while shrugging to build up my forearms and grip. Using wrist straps for all those years was a huge mistake. My motto now is if I can't hold onto it, I ain't liftin' it. Needless to say that when I started Jungle Warfare I could barely shrug 250lbs for 10 reps without wrist straps (365lbs with straps). Now I'm shrugging 315lbs without those damn straps and holding that bar for 10 full reps. So I'm almost up to where I was with straps.
Tomorrow will be 30 minutes of cardio, followed by abs and calves. Damn I can't wait to hit the weights again on friday. The biggest thing, like I've said, is that I'm noticing some fantastic strength gains from the Jungle Warfare and it gets me all revved up to get in there and tear it up. I love walkin' out of the gym knowing that I've smashed all my prior records.
No increase in acne to report. No oily skin. I still have that very heightened "alpha-male" feeling and over all I'm just in a good mood. I have however noticed that irritants are intensified just a wee bit!! Some kid working at the movie theatre tried telling me I couldn't bring my home made weight gainer shake into the movies with me yesterday. LOL!! Needless to say he did NOT get his way.
D/C day of Quads, Hammies, traps, Biceps and Forearms...(I put calves in after cardio).
For a "non-hormonal" product this stuff sure gives some wicked strength gains. Today I loaded up three 45lb plates on a Hammer Strength Preacher Curl and did a rest pause set of a total of 12 reps. I hit 6 reps before hitting failure...then went into my rest/pause reps. All of my lifts are definitely going up.
I decided to add in a rest/pause set of barbell shrugs, followed by another just straight set to failure simply because big traps just look powerful. I also have stuck to not using any wrist straps while shrugging to build up my forearms and grip. Using wrist straps for all those years was a huge mistake. My motto now is if I can't hold onto it, I ain't liftin' it. Needless to say that when I started Jungle Warfare I could barely shrug 250lbs for 10 reps without wrist straps (365lbs with straps). Now I'm shrugging 315lbs without those damn straps and holding that bar for 10 full reps. So I'm almost up to where I was with straps.
Tomorrow will be 30 minutes of cardio, followed by abs and calves. Damn I can't wait to hit the weights again on friday. The biggest thing, like I've said, is that I'm noticing some fantastic strength gains from the Jungle Warfare and it gets me all revved up to get in there and tear it up. I love walkin' out of the gym knowing that I've smashed all my prior records.
No increase in acne to report. No oily skin. I still have that very heightened "alpha-male" feeling and over all I'm just in a good mood. I have however noticed that irritants are intensified just a wee bit!! Some kid working at the movie theatre tried telling me I couldn't bring my home made weight gainer shake into the movies with me yesterday. LOL!! Needless to say he did NOT get his way.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 25
Today was Chest/Delts/Tris/Back...slightly modified doggcrapp style.
My workout consisted of Flat Bench Press for chest (345lbs...6,3,2 Rest/Pause.), Dumbell presses for delts, lying barbell extensions for triceps, and dumbell rows. I simply ran out of fuel to hit back width. That just sucked!!! I've been pushing more weight than I'm use to and I'm starting to feel it. My wrists are still a bit sore from wednesday from the heavy curling and my elbows are slightly tender from all of the heavy pushing. Luckily too I have the weekend off to let my wrists and elbows relax.
If there's one conclusion that I can for sure draw at this point regarding Jungle Warfare is that it gives some really sick strength gains. I also had a guy today totally shocked and he said that I'm looking a lot bigger. The last time he saw me was roughly 3 1/2 weeks ago when I started the Jungle Warfare! I see myself every day, so sometimes it is hard to tell. But I have been getting a lot of compliments lately on the size I've put on.
I missed both of my planned cardio sessions this past week due to unexpected, last minute circumstances that came up. So the plan is to hit cardio on both Saturday and Sunday morning to make up for it. Nothing too heavy, just 30 minutes. I hate missing out on cardio because weighing 232lbs on a 5'10" frame is a lot of weight to carry around for me. Cardio keeps me feeling light and agile.
I can't say however that I have noticed any profound leaning effect from the Jungle Warfare. Maybe it's that the whey protein bloats me to a point that I just can't tell, or maybe it's just my diet right now. This is what I will have had for today and is pretty typical for me...what do you think?
Meal 1: Shake consisting of...
2 cups non fat milk
1 cup raw oatmeal
2 scoop whey protein powder
1/2 powerbar
My workout
Meal 2:PWO shake contains 87g carbs, 70g protein, 6 g fat.
Meal 3
1 1/2 cups brown rice
1 can chunk white tuna
4 oz. chicken
Meal 4: shake consisting of...
2 cups non fat milk
1 cup raw oatmeal
2 scoop whey protein powder
Meal 5
1 1/2 cups brown Rice
10 oz chicken
Veges
Meal 6: Usually a shake
2 cups non fat milk
1 cup raw oatmeal
2 scoop whey protein powder
There may be a few other items in here throughout the day, but this is a typical meal plan for me and it usually works out to roughly 4000 kcal.
Ok, so saturday and sunday are cardio days with abs and calves. Monday will be Traps, biceps, forearms, quads and hammies.
Today was Chest/Delts/Tris/Back...slightly modified doggcrapp style.
My workout consisted of Flat Bench Press for chest (345lbs...6,3,2 Rest/Pause.), Dumbell presses for delts, lying barbell extensions for triceps, and dumbell rows. I simply ran out of fuel to hit back width. That just sucked!!! I've been pushing more weight than I'm use to and I'm starting to feel it. My wrists are still a bit sore from wednesday from the heavy curling and my elbows are slightly tender from all of the heavy pushing. Luckily too I have the weekend off to let my wrists and elbows relax.
If there's one conclusion that I can for sure draw at this point regarding Jungle Warfare is that it gives some really sick strength gains. I also had a guy today totally shocked and he said that I'm looking a lot bigger. The last time he saw me was roughly 3 1/2 weeks ago when I started the Jungle Warfare! I see myself every day, so sometimes it is hard to tell. But I have been getting a lot of compliments lately on the size I've put on.
I missed both of my planned cardio sessions this past week due to unexpected, last minute circumstances that came up. So the plan is to hit cardio on both Saturday and Sunday morning to make up for it. Nothing too heavy, just 30 minutes. I hate missing out on cardio because weighing 232lbs on a 5'10" frame is a lot of weight to carry around for me. Cardio keeps me feeling light and agile.
I can't say however that I have noticed any profound leaning effect from the Jungle Warfare. Maybe it's that the whey protein bloats me to a point that I just can't tell, or maybe it's just my diet right now. This is what I will have had for today and is pretty typical for me...what do you think?
Meal 1: Shake consisting of...
2 cups non fat milk
1 cup raw oatmeal
2 scoop whey protein powder
1/2 powerbar
My workout
Meal 2:PWO shake contains 87g carbs, 70g protein, 6 g fat.
Meal 3
1 1/2 cups brown rice
1 can chunk white tuna
4 oz. chicken
Meal 4: shake consisting of...
2 cups non fat milk
1 cup raw oatmeal
2 scoop whey protein powder
Meal 5
1 1/2 cups brown Rice
10 oz chicken
Veges
Meal 6: Usually a shake
2 cups non fat milk
1 cup raw oatmeal
2 scoop whey protein powder
There may be a few other items in here throughout the day, but this is a typical meal plan for me and it usually works out to roughly 4000 kcal.
Ok, so saturday and sunday are cardio days with abs and calves. Monday will be Traps, biceps, forearms, quads and hammies.
Terminator LMG
Member
RipdnTxs said:
LOL!! Thanks! Maybe I'll just start omitting stuff so that you have comments to add! Glad to hear I'm covering all the bases. :cheers:
I wasn't quite sure what to think about JW at first, being herbal and all. I honestly didn't expect to get the results that I'm getting so far. I'm very pleased.
phasar
Member
i'm not sure if the results have to be dramatic.......... i mean since it's not hormonal. with the ph's you'd expect you'd have to get to some very high points, since you know you're gonna lose a chunk of that during pct. but i'd be happy if this product gave me a pound or two/month AND/OR better composition. i mean wouldn't we all be a happy camper if we each gained 8 pounds in 6 months, while looking leaner? i think for the average joe, that more than exceeds expectations....especially if the product is as they say "good for you". but even if it weren't, at least it's not bad for you.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 28
Tomorrow I'm going to weigh myself...LOL!! It's too damn late right now and I've had too much food to provide an accurate figure.
Today in the gym was Traps, Biceps, Forearms, Quads, Hams...all from doggcrapp style training with slight modifications.
Traps: Barbell Shrugs rest/pause, rest for 3 minutes, then perfomed one straight set.
Quads: Squats on a smith machine...loved it!! 3 straight sets
Biceps: EZ barbell Curls Rest/Pause, rest for 3 minutes then performed one straight set with X reps.
Forearms: Reverse curls using an EZ curl bar, 2 sets...1st set rest/pause, the second set a straight set with X reps.
Hammies: Hammer Strength lying leg curls, rest/pause, 2 sets performed.
This is my workout C, the 3rd in the rotation of Doggcrapp style training so come next week we'll see what kind of strength gains I have made.
Tomorrow I'm going to weigh myself...LOL!! It's too damn late right now and I've had too much food to provide an accurate figure.
Today in the gym was Traps, Biceps, Forearms, Quads, Hams...all from doggcrapp style training with slight modifications.
Traps: Barbell Shrugs rest/pause, rest for 3 minutes, then perfomed one straight set.
Quads: Squats on a smith machine...loved it!! 3 straight sets
Biceps: EZ barbell Curls Rest/Pause, rest for 3 minutes then performed one straight set with X reps.
Forearms: Reverse curls using an EZ curl bar, 2 sets...1st set rest/pause, the second set a straight set with X reps.
Hammies: Hammer Strength lying leg curls, rest/pause, 2 sets performed.
This is my workout C, the 3rd in the rotation of Doggcrapp style training so come next week we'll see what kind of strength gains I have made.
Terminator LMG
Member
Week 4 impressions so far...
Alright, it's been 4 weeks since first begining this product so I thought it would be a good idea to post some thoughts at the end of 4 weeks.
Positives
*Increased Strength.
*Increased Libido.
*Increased stamina and performance in the gym.
*Increases with muscle mass are at this point really starting to show.
*Better overall attitude...just a general feeling of feeling good.
*Heightened alpha male attitude.
*Pumps that last all day...very nice vasodilation effect.
Negatives...if you can really call them that
*A bit of increased acne and oily skin for the first 10 days or so. That subsided however after about 10 days into it.
*That heightened alpha male attitude I mentioned above...yeah, it'll make you a little more irritable at times!
So far this is a solid product. The problem that I am seeing is that some people are expecting Superdrol/Ergomax/PheraPlex style gains that are rapid and immediate. That's not the case with Jungle Warfare. The results really don't start to come through until about 2 weeks in....that's about when you I at least began to notice some significant changes. I think the biggest effects that I noticed within the first 2 weeks was an increased pump (very reminiscent of ActivaTE as they both bind SHBG), increases in libido, and increases in strength and stamina starting to occur. It takes 10-14 days or so from what I've noticed for the AI to lower your estrogen levels low enough and escalate your testosterone levels high enough in return before your body is in a significantly more capable state of building muscle mass. Therefore, I think that at the time the first bottle is empty is when users will really be at their peak for experiencing the effects of Jungle Warfare. Weeks 3 and 4 have been HUGE for me. Not to mention the effects of the AR agonist which at this point I really couldn't gauge.
I think that a product like this is best run for 8 or more weeks to truly gauge its effectiveness because I am now at a point where I feel like I am fully experiencing ALL of the benefits of Jungle Warfare. Granted I have a history of androgen use with 3 Ergomax cycles run in the last year so users of JW who haven't used androgens will more than likely experience results greater than mine. But I'm pretty damn impressed so far to say the least and if it's kicking this much ass at 4 weeks in I can only imagine where I'll be in another 4 weeks...with a solid diet and workout plan of course.
Alright, it's been 4 weeks since first begining this product so I thought it would be a good idea to post some thoughts at the end of 4 weeks.
Positives
*Increased Strength.
*Increased Libido.
*Increased stamina and performance in the gym.
*Increases with muscle mass are at this point really starting to show.
*Better overall attitude...just a general feeling of feeling good.
*Heightened alpha male attitude.
*Pumps that last all day...very nice vasodilation effect.
Negatives...if you can really call them that
*A bit of increased acne and oily skin for the first 10 days or so. That subsided however after about 10 days into it.
*That heightened alpha male attitude I mentioned above...yeah, it'll make you a little more irritable at times!
So far this is a solid product. The problem that I am seeing is that some people are expecting Superdrol/Ergomax/PheraPlex style gains that are rapid and immediate. That's not the case with Jungle Warfare. The results really don't start to come through until about 2 weeks in....that's about when you I at least began to notice some significant changes. I think the biggest effects that I noticed within the first 2 weeks was an increased pump (very reminiscent of ActivaTE as they both bind SHBG), increases in libido, and increases in strength and stamina starting to occur. It takes 10-14 days or so from what I've noticed for the AI to lower your estrogen levels low enough and escalate your testosterone levels high enough in return before your body is in a significantly more capable state of building muscle mass. Therefore, I think that at the time the first bottle is empty is when users will really be at their peak for experiencing the effects of Jungle Warfare. Weeks 3 and 4 have been HUGE for me. Not to mention the effects of the AR agonist which at this point I really couldn't gauge.
I think that a product like this is best run for 8 or more weeks to truly gauge its effectiveness because I am now at a point where I feel like I am fully experiencing ALL of the benefits of Jungle Warfare. Granted I have a history of androgen use with 3 Ergomax cycles run in the last year so users of JW who haven't used androgens will more than likely experience results greater than mine. But I'm pretty damn impressed so far to say the least and if it's kicking this much ass at 4 weeks in I can only imagine where I'll be in another 4 weeks...with a solid diet and workout plan of course.
somewhatgifted
Registered User
great log, great numbers, great gains, great lifts....Great thread. Im gonna get me some JW lets see how your next 4 weeks go first tho, thanks for posting this thread.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 29
I weighed myself this morning....up 3lbs. I now weigh 235lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. My goal for next week is 237lbs.
So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36:....?
I weighed myself this morning....up 3lbs. I now weigh 235lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. My goal for next week is 237lbs.
So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36:....?
FitnFirm
Banned
And hey, out of curiosity, why did you decide to throw Jungle Warfare into the mix? I understand how it works in males, but what has ALRI told you about its effects on women and the pathways by which it works in women? I can see how the AR agonist is still going to have a profound effect on your androgen receptors, I can see how the inhibition of SHBG will free up the testosterone you're producing, and I can see the benefit of lower estrogen levels...but how is testosterone suppose to be increased? I'm very curious!! I eat up all the physiology I can get!
I believe I read somewhere the SHBG also binds with estrogen and can therefore increase the amount of estrogen that is rendered "free". Has Author discussed this with you or will the AI in the JW keep the estrogen levels low enough that it won't be an issue? I ask because women characteristically have a higher level of estrogen than men.
In answer to your question in my log : Ummmmmmm I am taking it at my own risk, However, Raven did use JW with favorable results and with no masculinizing effects. I really dont know the path that it works honestly, and have not asked Author. Im assuming it will raise my testosterone level and thus will help me build some muscle, Im not sure what it might do to my estrogen, but I doubt it will raise it. Im also interested in the effects of increased libido I hear about, as right now my hubby ( viperspit) is chasing me around the house all night!! He is taking JW as well lol, I will probably try it for 8 weeks. And I do not think I need PCT, as any estrogen is welcomed after using JW. Heck wish I had a better answer for ya This is the strongest thing I would ever condsider using as a female. I know Author said that it has been tested on a few females, with good results but they have not tested it enough to really market it for use for females. Im sort of a risk taker by nature, so Ill take one day at a time and I am in contact with Author and Raven and the whole ALRI team if I need any help so I feel confident at this point.
Also, Thank you for the wonderful comments on my log, you made me smile really big!!!!!!!!!!
FnF
I believe I read somewhere the SHBG also binds with estrogen and can therefore increase the amount of estrogen that is rendered "free". Has Author discussed this with you or will the AI in the JW keep the estrogen levels low enough that it won't be an issue? I ask because women characteristically have a higher level of estrogen than men.
In answer to your question in my log : Ummmmmmm I am taking it at my own risk, However, Raven did use JW with favorable results and with no masculinizing effects. I really dont know the path that it works honestly, and have not asked Author. Im assuming it will raise my testosterone level and thus will help me build some muscle, Im not sure what it might do to my estrogen, but I doubt it will raise it. Im also interested in the effects of increased libido I hear about, as right now my hubby ( viperspit) is chasing me around the house all night!! He is taking JW as well
lol, I will probably try it for 8 weeks. And I do not think I need PCT, as any estrogen is welcomed after using JW. Heck wish I had a better answer for ya This is the strongest thing I would ever condsider using as a female. I know Author said that it has been tested on a few females, with good results but they have not tested it enough to really market it for use for females. Im sort of a risk taker by nature, so Ill take one day at a time and I am in contact with Author and Raven and the whole ALRI team if I need any help so I feel confident at this point.Also, Thank you for the wonderful comments on my log, you made me smile really big!!!!!!!!!!
FnF
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 30
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Terminator LMG
Member
Day 30
Let me just start out by saying "I hate gym music." I didn't have my head phones with me this morning and damn it, I can't ****ing stand trying to workout to slow-ass R&B music, coffee shop wanna be jazzy/piano rock, and that crappy-ass rock music that sounds like it came off a TV add for one of the WB's hit series like Dawson's Creek or whatever. I just don't understand how a gym can play slow music for its members. And at my gym, it's always the girls at the front desk that play that crap...not trying to be sexest, just stating an observed fact. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!! Can anybody tell how ****ing adgitated I am right now!!! LOL!!!! Ok, just had to rant and I'm feeling better
Now, down to business. Aside from the lovely music in the gym today that made it very difficult to be focused and intense, I smashed all my records. Today's workout went like this.
slightly modified Doggcrapp style: Chest/Tris/Back/Delts
Chest:
Incline Press: 335lbs for 8 to failure, then continued through Rest/Pause. Up 20lbs and down 2 reps from last week's 315 for 9.
Triceps:
Close Grips on a Smith machine at an incline...I think 225lbs rest/pause style.
Followed by a straight set of one-arm reverse grip cable pushdowns (Is there a shorter name for this exercise!! Sheeesh!).
Back (Width)
Reverse Grip pulldowns (hands shoulder width apart): I started with 170 and nailed 13 reps...totally not expected as last week I did 170 for 6. So after the 13 I kicked up the weight to 180lbs, pulled for 6,4,4,3 rest/pause.
Then, just for fun after resting for 3 minutes I did a straight set of 200lbs for 6. So, in one DC cycle from workout A, through B and C and then back to workout A which was today, I went from using 160lbs to nearly 200lbs on this exercise. Nice slow movements, no jerking. Not to shabby. An effect of DC style training or JW...probably both IMO.
Back (Thickness)
Deadlifts done on a Rack: 315lbs for 8....still working on that grip!
Delts
Upright Rows on a smith machine: Last week's weight of 185 was a bit too "uncontrolled" for me even though I got 6 reps...it was the 2nd exercise in my workout last week. I've seen people seriously mess their shoulders up with this exercise so I checked my ego at the rack before stepping in and dropped the weight to 165lbs....which was much better. I did this for I believe 6 reps to failure, then 4,4,3 rest/pause and this time it was the LAST exercise in my workout.
So overall, the strength gains just keep on comin'!! Pumps are still fantastic in the gym too from the Jungle Warfare.
Oh, and I've readjusted my calories per my new weight. Here's how I calculate it.
235lbs * 15= 3525 + 500cals above maint = 4025 kcals total each day to gain weight.
Oh, and for those are concerned about libido issues with using AI's, my libido is still very high. I had some issues with ATD lowering my estrogen levels too low and well, that just sucked as my libido tanked. But I'm having no such problem with the AI in Jungle Warfare. It is keeping estrogen at just the right level to leave me horny as hell all day long!....huh huh huh...I said "Long"..huh huh huh! A little classic Beavis and Butthead for you younger ones who don't get the joke
Let me just start out by saying "I hate gym music." I didn't have my head phones with me this morning and damn it, I can't ****ing stand trying to workout to slow-ass R&B music, coffee shop wanna be jazzy/piano rock, and that crappy-ass rock music that sounds like it came off a TV add for one of the WB's hit series like Dawson's Creek or whatever. I just don't understand how a gym can play slow music for its members. And at my gym, it's always the girls at the front desk that play that crap...not trying to be sexest, just stating an observed fact. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!! Can anybody tell how ****ing adgitated I am right now!!! LOL!!!! Ok, just had to rant and I'm feeling better
Now, down to business. Aside from the lovely music in the gym today that made it very difficult to be focused and intense, I smashed all my records. Today's workout went like this.
slightly modified Doggcrapp style: Chest/Tris/Back/Delts
Chest:
Incline Press: 335lbs for 8 to failure, then continued through Rest/Pause. Up 20lbs and down 2 reps from last week's 315 for 9.
Triceps:
Close Grips on a Smith machine at an incline...I think 225lbs rest/pause style.
Followed by a straight set of one-arm reverse grip cable pushdowns (Is there a shorter name for this exercise!! Sheeesh!).
Back (Width)
Reverse Grip pulldowns (hands shoulder width apart): I started with 170 and nailed 13 reps...totally not expected as last week I did 170 for 6. So after the 13 I kicked up the weight to 180lbs, pulled for 6,4,4,3 rest/pause.
Then, just for fun after resting for 3 minutes I did a straight set of 200lbs for 6. So, in one DC cycle from workout A, through B and C and then back to workout A which was today, I went from using 160lbs to nearly 200lbs on this exercise. Nice slow movements, no jerking. Not to shabby. An effect of DC style training or JW...probably both IMO.
Back (Thickness)
Deadlifts done on a Rack: 315lbs for 8....still working on that grip!
Delts
Upright Rows on a smith machine: Last week's weight of 185 was a bit too "uncontrolled" for me even though I got 6 reps...it was the 2nd exercise in my workout last week. I've seen people seriously mess their shoulders up with this exercise so I checked my ego at the rack before stepping in and dropped the weight to 165lbs....which was much better. I did this for I believe 6 reps to failure, then 4,4,3 rest/pause and this time it was the LAST exercise in my workout.
So overall, the strength gains just keep on comin'!! Pumps are still fantastic in the gym too from the Jungle Warfare.
Oh, and I've readjusted my calories per my new weight. Here's how I calculate it.
235lbs * 15= 3525 + 500cals above maint = 4025 kcals total each day to gain weight.
Oh, and for those are concerned about libido issues with using AI's, my libido is still very high. I had some issues with ATD lowering my estrogen levels too low and well, that just sucked as my libido tanked. But I'm having no such problem with the AI in Jungle Warfare. It is keeping estrogen at just the right level to leave me horny as hell all day long!....huh huh huh...I said "Long"..huh huh huh! A little classic Beavis and Butthead for you younger ones who don't get the joke
FitnFirm
Banned
You know when you are wearing your ear buds, working out and minding your own business........all is going cool.....and then some nimrod comes up and starts talking, all you see is lips moving, Try this, when your done with your set, spurt out some japanese sounding words and then people leave you alone!!!!!! :toofunny:
Terminator LMG
Member
Terminator LMG said:
To Everyone interested in MY Weight Gain
So I've been thinking, and I'll be able to say this with greater confidence next week and each week thereafter, but my gains have for the most part been pretty consistent...2-3lbs each week.
A good deal of what was seen up till Day 22 was due to a refeed and simple glycogen replenishment from the recent Venom cut. But if I'm consistenly gaining 2-3lbs a week and I've been on it for 4 weeks now...let's see....in 4 weeks I've gained a total of 15lbs, 8lbs of which is muscle (2lbs each week * 4 weeks = 8 lbs), 7lbs from the glycogen replenishment. 8lbs of muslce in 4 weeks from a non-hormonal product...yeah, I'm really digging this stuff
And next week if I'm up at 237-238lbs, that will strengthen this claim even more. LOL!! I gotta go eat!
FitnFirm
LOL!!! That was some funny stuff!! I'll have to spout off in my make-shift japanese voice impression next time somebody approaches me during the middle of a set!! I was dying laughing just imaging that!
Here's the thing. I love getting know the people that are the gym that I workout next to every day. I enjoy creating some sense of comaraderie among those I see every day and I enjoy talking a little bit of shiat to everyone in there and in return getting shiat from people back. But at the same time I go there to workout. Not to have a conversation between sets. Between sets I'm gasping for air and I'm recentering myself the next set.
I enjoy meeting new people there to. Sometimes however there are innocent questions asked like "how do you get your arms so big, or how do you get so big" that on the surface seem like a simple question with a simple answer. But it's a loaded question. It's an answer that requires an explanation of both diet and training principles and it's never as simple of an answer as it seems. I wouldn't mind answering it, but my experience is that people don't want the "true" answer to their questions. They want the quick and easy answer that reveals the long lost secret underground exercise that only I know of, and of course the magic supplement that I'm taking that is doing it all for me.
There's a time and a place for everything and both during and between sets is not the time.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 32
I had to cut my workout short on Friday....just running short on time as I went and had blood work done as part of my physical checkup at the Dr.'s office. I didn't anticipate posting bloodwork at all as when this log started I didn't have health insurance (being a college student and all). But now I have health insurance through my wife. I'll have Total and Free test levels to post up on Monday, as well as TSH, LH, FSH, and cholesterol. Granted I don't have a baseline to compare to, but still, thought it would be interesting.
Diet
4000+ kcal every day
Today's workout
This is the shortened DC workout. I was pissed because I just didn't have time to get it all in, but in the grant scheme of things, or even 4 weeks from now, is it really gonna matter that I miss a couple exercises? NO.
Traps
Dumbell Shrugs: 120lb dumbells....12,4,4,2 rest/pause
Then another set with the 130lb dumbells and I got 4 reps. Funny thing is that I forgot my lifting gloves today so aside from not having the strongest grip yet, the sweat on my bare hands didn't help either.
Biceps
Dumbell Hammer Curls: Today 75lb Dumbells. 8,5,3,3 Last Week: 70lb dumbells for 8 reps I believe...so a pretty nice strength gain there.
Set 2: 60lb Dumbells. 12 straight reps, followed by 3 X-reps
Forearms
One-arm reverse cable curls: 70lbs...15 reps...last week I hit 70lbs for 6 I believe.
Dumbell wrist curls: 60lbs...11 reps....my grip was just sucking at this point and especially without any gloves
Abs
Weighted Ab Machine: The whole stack for 15 reps each. Each rep was done with a "double dip" at the "sweet spot" according to Johnathan Lawson from Iron Man magazine in reference to X-rep training...basically 2 partial reps at the point in the range of motion where the muscle can generate the most force.
I missed out on quads and hammies. No biggy.
I had to cut my workout short on Friday....just running short on time as I went and had blood work done as part of my physical checkup at the Dr.'s office. I didn't anticipate posting bloodwork at all as when this log started I didn't have health insurance (being a college student and all). But now I have health insurance through my wife. I'll have Total and Free test levels to post up on Monday, as well as TSH, LH, FSH, and cholesterol. Granted I don't have a baseline to compare to, but still, thought it would be interesting.
Diet
4000+ kcal every day
Today's workout
This is the shortened DC workout. I was pissed because I just didn't have time to get it all in, but in the grant scheme of things, or even 4 weeks from now, is it really gonna matter that I miss a couple exercises? NO.
Traps
Dumbell Shrugs: 120lb dumbells....12,4,4,2 rest/pause
Then another set with the 130lb dumbells and I got 4 reps. Funny thing is that I forgot my lifting gloves today so aside from not having the strongest grip yet, the sweat on my bare hands didn't help either.
Biceps
Dumbell Hammer Curls: Today 75lb Dumbells. 8,5,3,3 Last Week: 70lb dumbells for 8 reps I believe...so a pretty nice strength gain there.
Set 2: 60lb Dumbells. 12 straight reps, followed by 3 X-reps
Forearms
One-arm reverse cable curls: 70lbs...15 reps...last week I hit 70lbs for 6 I believe.
Dumbell wrist curls: 60lbs...11 reps....my grip was just sucking at this point and especially without any gloves
Abs
Weighted Ab Machine: The whole stack for 15 reps each. Each rep was done with a "double dip" at the "sweet spot" according to Johnathan Lawson from Iron Man magazine in reference to X-rep training...basically 2 partial reps at the point in the range of motion where the muscle can generate the most force.
I missed out on quads and hammies. No biggy.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 34
It was 25 minutes of cardio today, plus 6 sets of abs and 3 sets of the weighted ab machine. I tend to not follow the DC recommendation for calf training only because mine respond so well to a slightly higher number of sets. Why fix it if it isn't broken right? For abs I was able to use the whole stack on the weighted ab machine. With this I love doing 1 1/2's, or double dipping in the sweet spot of the range of motion where I can generate the most force production. This is a killer. Sometimes I'll double dip 2 or 3 times in that part of the range of motion. I would have done more but I ran into 2 old friends that I hadn't seen in over 5 years so I had to stop and chat for a while.
Tomorrow is Chest, Tris, Back, and Delts D/C style baby!! I'm pumped up to throw it up big and see what I weigh on Tuesday!!
It was 25 minutes of cardio today, plus 6 sets of abs and 3 sets of the weighted ab machine. I tend to not follow the DC recommendation for calf training only because mine respond so well to a slightly higher number of sets. Why fix it if it isn't broken right? For abs I was able to use the whole stack on the weighted ab machine. With this I love doing 1 1/2's, or double dipping in the sweet spot of the range of motion where I can generate the most force production. This is a killer. Sometimes I'll double dip 2 or 3 times in that part of the range of motion. I would have done more but I ran into 2 old friends that I hadn't seen in over 5 years so I had to stop and chat for a while.
Tomorrow is Chest, Tris, Back, and Delts D/C style baby!! I'm pumped up to throw it up big and see what I weigh on Tuesday!!
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 35
Yeah, just another kickass workout today. Today was Workout B for Chest/Tris/Back/Delts in the DC rotation.
Chest
Decline Hammer Strength: 480lbs for 9 to failure, 4,3,2 rest/pause.
Second set using 370lbs...7 total reps, each was a 1 1/2...double dipping in the sweet spot, X-rep style baby!!
Tris
Cable Pushdowns: 320lbs (on the single pulley, not double) for 8,5,4,3 rest/pause. I think last week was 300lbs for 8
Second set using 220lbs, employing 1 1/2's...double dipping in the sweet spot, X-rep style baby!!
Back (Width)
Lat Pull Downs: 210lbs...6,3,2 rest/pause.
Second set with 170lbs...I forget the # of reps.
Thickness (Thickness)
Maching Rows: The whole stack for 8 reps, then 4,3,3 rest/pause!! Yeah baby!! Nice and slow too! When I first started doing this exercise I was just struggling a couple months ago.
I plugged a second set in here too.
Delts
Smith machine military presses...205lbs for 11 reps. I could have gone heavier on this exercise if it was earlier in my routine, but damn guys, I'm just beat dead tired at this point. Still stronger than last week, but you know. I put it up there anyways!
Still no noticeable negative side effects so far. No acne, no oily skin. No thinning of the hair. Just a little bit of moodiness from time to time. My libido is still very high, strength is still going up, recovery seems to be great, the pumps and vascularity are there as well all day long from the JW. At 5 weeks in I'm just damn impressed with this product. I had a guy today who said he hadn't seen me in awhile and he remarked that I'm looking a lot bigger since he last saw me.
People are starting to wonder what I'm on...(hint, hint Author and staff at ALRI). I told a guy at the gym what I was taking and he had said that he'd never even heard of ALRI before. Some T's with ALRI's name to pimp while pumpin' are a good idea!!
I couldn't get the results of my bloodwork today while at work...it was just busy. I'll have that up for you guys tomorrow. And I'll be weighing myself then too.
Till then, peace out everyone.
Yeah, just another kickass workout today. Today was Workout B for Chest/Tris/Back/Delts in the DC rotation.
Chest
Decline Hammer Strength: 480lbs for 9 to failure, 4,3,2 rest/pause.
Second set using 370lbs...7 total reps, each was a 1 1/2...double dipping in the sweet spot, X-rep style baby!!
Tris
Cable Pushdowns: 320lbs (on the single pulley, not double) for 8,5,4,3 rest/pause. I think last week was 300lbs for 8
Second set using 220lbs, employing 1 1/2's...double dipping in the sweet spot, X-rep style baby!!
Back (Width)
Lat Pull Downs: 210lbs...6,3,2 rest/pause.
Second set with 170lbs...I forget the # of reps.
Thickness (Thickness)
Maching Rows: The whole stack for 8 reps, then 4,3,3 rest/pause!! Yeah baby!! Nice and slow too! When I first started doing this exercise I was just struggling a couple months ago.
I plugged a second set in here too.
Delts
Smith machine military presses...205lbs for 11 reps. I could have gone heavier on this exercise if it was earlier in my routine, but damn guys, I'm just beat dead tired at this point. Still stronger than last week, but you know. I put it up there anyways!
Still no noticeable negative side effects so far. No acne, no oily skin. No thinning of the hair. Just a little bit of moodiness from time to time. My libido is still very high, strength is still going up, recovery seems to be great, the pumps and vascularity are there as well all day long from the JW. At 5 weeks in I'm just damn impressed with this product. I had a guy today who said he hadn't seen me in awhile and he remarked that I'm looking a lot bigger since he last saw me.
People are starting to wonder what I'm on...(hint, hint Author and staff at ALRI). I told a guy at the gym what I was taking and he had said that he'd never even heard of ALRI before. Some T's with ALRI's name to pimp while pumpin' are a good idea!!
I couldn't get the results of my bloodwork today while at work...it was just busy. I'll have that up for you guys tomorrow. And I'll be weighing myself then too.
Till then, peace out everyone.
romanreid
New member
Re: Day 35
Hey wazup,
Just curious about weight. do u think u would be gaining on a maintenance diet. Thought u would be the best to ask since ur taking in da product. I asked in another thread and just want ur opinion I got one bottle so mayb I ll try another bottle on a maintenance diet (just cause it would be great if the product could really deliver that kind of gains with out increase in diet) or get chaos and run it with the one bottle of JW what do u think?
Thanx Bro
Terminator LMG said:
Hey wazup,
Just curious about weight. do u think u would be gaining on a maintenance diet. Thought u would be the best to ask since ur taking in da product. I asked in another thread and just want ur opinion I got one bottle so mayb I ll try another bottle on a maintenance diet (just cause it would be great if the product could really deliver that kind of gains with out increase in diet) or get chaos and run it with the one bottle of JW what do u think?
Thanx Bro
Terminator LMG
Member
romanreid said:
My take on this is that you can't build a sky-scraper with just a few bricks. I believe you have to eat more cals in the right macronutrient ratios, to build more muscle.
Now, JW claims to have a strong "nutrient repartitioning effect". So in theory it appears that you could gain a little lean muscle from a maintenance diet. How that plays out in the real world though I'm not quite sure off. I would bet that you'd notice a much better "recomposition" effect by eating at maintenance if you have a high body fat %, granted that your macronutrients are proportioned correctly.
I state the above because I've been eating at 500kcal above maintenance. I've been averaging roughly 2lbs a week. So given that I'm gaining 2lbs/week at 500kcal above maintenance.....if I were to eat at maintenance I doubt I would see a significant change in muscle mass. But that's just my body.
As everyone's body tends to respond differently, my best advice would be to give it a shot and see what happens. My personal opinion however is that if you are purely after more muscle mass, since you've spent the $50 bucks for the product, you might as well make sure that you get everything out of it, and that would mean eating at higher than just maintenance...just add in another home-made weight gainer shake throughout the day to get some extra cals. If you need some good ideas for home-made weight gainer shakes that won't turn you into a fat-ass, let me know!!
Either way, let me know how it works out for you. I'm really enjoying this stuff and I think it'll more than likely be a staple in my supplementation on year round basis, with 4 week breaks from it every 12 weeks.
Terminator LMG
Member
Day 36
I weighed myself this morning....up 1lb. I now weigh 236lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. My goal for next week is 237-238lbs.
So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36: 236lbs
And I'm looking leaner too. This is the first week that I can say that I'm noticing the leaning effect from Jungle Warfare. It's about damn time!! So I've probably lost a lb of bodyfat in that equation too.
Given what ALRI has projected for weight gain over the course of 12 weeks (12-15lbs lean tissue with a loss of 6-8lbs of fat), I'd say I'm right on track to be consistent with those claims muscle mass wise, and if I continue from here on out to notice more of a leaning effect, I'll be on track fat-loss wise too.
So, at the VERY least, given that first 10 day's rapid weight gain from glycogen replenishment after the cut, I've gained at the very least 6-8lbs of muscle mass in just 5 weeks. Not superdrol style results, but my d!ck still works and my lipids aren't all funcked up!!! And I don't have to run a pct. Some people didn't even retain that much lean tissue after their pct from superdrol. I'm happy to say the least :woohoo:
I weighed myself this morning....up 1lb. I now weigh 236lbs. This was done first thing upone waking in the morning. My goal for next week is 237-238lbs.
So...
Day 1: 220lbs
Day 10: 230lbs (primarily due to refeeding/glycogen storage after a cut...although some was muscle mass gained.)
Day 22: 232lbs
Day 29: 235lbs
Day 36: 236lbs
And I'm looking leaner too. This is the first week that I can say that I'm noticing the leaning effect from Jungle Warfare. It's about damn time!! So I've probably lost a lb of bodyfat in that equation too.
Given what ALRI has projected for weight gain over the course of 12 weeks (12-15lbs lean tissue with a loss of 6-8lbs of fat), I'd say I'm right on track to be consistent with those claims muscle mass wise, and if I continue from here on out to notice more of a leaning effect, I'll be on track fat-loss wise too.
So, at the VERY least, given that first 10 day's rapid weight gain from glycogen replenishment after the cut, I've gained at the very least 6-8lbs of muscle mass in just 5 weeks. Not superdrol style results, but my d!ck still works and my lipids aren't all funcked up!!! And I don't have to run a pct. Some people didn't even retain that much lean tissue after their pct from superdrol. I'm happy to say the least :woohoo:
Viperspit
Well-known member
great summary TLMG. Sounds like the JW is kciking in nicely. I posted in another thread on my results. Since I upped my cals by 500/day and upped JW to 4/day, I've had a nice stead climb in weight to 229 from 224 in the last week and my wiast got smaller by 1/2 inch.
Keep up the good work. You still dosing at 3/day?
Keep up the good work. You still dosing at 3/day?
Terminator LMG
Member
Viperspit said:
A climb in weight from 229 to 224??? Did you type that right? That's a loss of 5lbs. Did you mean you went from 229lbs to 234lbs instead? Congrats though on the loss of 1/2 on your waist! I always love it when my pants start falling down below my ass! Makes me feel sexy
Um, no, I upped the dosage awhile back to 4 caps a day. ALRI never got back to me on the issue, even after I sent them pics and a history of my PH/PS use, so I made the decision myself.
Viperspit
Well-known member
If you look closely, I said I climbed to 229, from 224.
That's okay, I'll forgive you. My pants have been falling down for quite awhile now as they are 36 waists. FnF won't buy me any new ones cause she said when she does, I'll just get fat again 
Good to hear the 4 caps/day are working well for you.
That's okay, I'll forgive you.
My pants have been falling down for quite awhile now as they are 36 waists. FnF won't buy me any new ones cause she said when she does, I'll just get fat again Good to hear the 4 caps/day are working well for you.
Terminator LMG said:A climb in weight from 229 to 224??? Did you type that right? That's a loss of 5lbs. Did you mean you went from 229lbs to 234lbs instead? Congrats though on the loss of 1/2 on your waist! I always love it when my pants start falling down below my ass! Makes me feel sexy
Um, no, I upped the dosage awhile back to 4 caps a day. ALRI never got back to me on the issue, even after I sent them pics and a history of my PH/PS use, so I made the decision myself.
FitnFirm
Banned
Viperspit said:If you look closely, I said I climbed to 229, from 224.
That's okay, I'll forgive you.
Good to hear the 4 caps/day are working well for you.
OH!!!!!! No you did not!!!!!!!!!!
Dont even go there!!!!!!!! Ya everytime I buy you a new wardrobe you decide to turn into a remote control couch potatoe, then I give all your small clothes away, then you decide to work out again.......... OK we have done this now 3 times!!!!!! Until you have to virtually hold your pants up with a rope like Jethro on Beverly Hillbillies im not falling for it this time, Got it!!!!! Dont even make me out to be the bad guy punk!!! :bruce1: Ummmmm carry on.......... Hijack complete
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FitnFirm said:OH!!!!!! No you did not!!!!!!!!!!
Ummmmm carry on.......... Hijack complete
Na, don't worry about the hijack!! LOL!! That was great!! FitnFirm has just laid the Smacketh Down and her Hubby's Ruddy Poo Candy Ass!!! :bruce1:
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Viperspit said:
LOL!! Either you had that specially edited by the mods for sake of showing me up, or I'm just going blind at 27!!! I swear it was the other way around earlier!!
Terminator LMG
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Day 37
Damn, it's been 37 days already!! LOL!! Where the hell has the time gone!? Anyways, here's today workout.
My modified D/C style of Traps, Quads, Biceps, Forearms, and Hamstrings.
Traps
Barbell Shrugs BEHIND THE BACK!! For those of you who haven't tried this exercise, you have to! You won't be able to do as much weight as with a regular barbell shrug to the front, but this is nothing but pure back muscle with all it's horsepower firing! This makes my traps work in a way they haven't before!
So...225lbs for 8,4,3,3 rest/pause. Ultimately I could have gone heavier but I would have sacrificed the strict form that this exercise requires given the position you put your body in for this movement. Next week I'll up the weight just a bit.
Second set using 185 for 15 reps to just really feel this exercise.
Quads
Squats on a Smith Machine: 315lbs for 6
Set 2...315lbs for 3....too damn heavy for the second time around.
Set 3...225lbs for 10 reps.
Biceps
Hammer Strength Preacher Curls: 135lbs (three 45lb plates) for 7,2,2 rest/pause.
Set 2: 90lbs (two 45lb plates) for 13,4,2. rest/pause
Forearms
DB wrist curls: 60lbs for 14 reps, Drop set of 40lbs for 11 reps.
Set 2....same as above.
Hammies
Seated Hamstring Curls: 130lbs for 10,5,3,3
All in all another very solid workout. I'll tell you, when I first looked at DC training I thought the workouts would be a breeze....yeah, I couldn't have been more wrong!
I think one thing with Jungle Warfare that I haven't commented on is that although I'm dead-ass tired when I walk out, my stamina for each set is far greater than when I wasn't taking JW. Each set I feel almost just as fresh as I did on my first set...not completely, but moreso than when I'm not taking JW. Good stuff
Damn, it's been 37 days already!! LOL!! Where the hell has the time gone!? Anyways, here's today workout.
My modified D/C style of Traps, Quads, Biceps, Forearms, and Hamstrings.
Traps
Barbell Shrugs BEHIND THE BACK!! For those of you who haven't tried this exercise, you have to! You won't be able to do as much weight as with a regular barbell shrug to the front, but this is nothing but pure back muscle with all it's horsepower firing! This makes my traps work in a way they haven't before!
So...225lbs for 8,4,3,3 rest/pause. Ultimately I could have gone heavier but I would have sacrificed the strict form that this exercise requires given the position you put your body in for this movement. Next week I'll up the weight just a bit.
Second set using 185 for 15 reps to just really feel this exercise.
Quads
Squats on a Smith Machine: 315lbs for 6
Set 2...315lbs for 3....too damn heavy for the second time around.
Set 3...225lbs for 10 reps.
Biceps
Hammer Strength Preacher Curls: 135lbs (three 45lb plates) for 7,2,2 rest/pause.
Set 2: 90lbs (two 45lb plates) for 13,4,2. rest/pause
Forearms
DB wrist curls: 60lbs for 14 reps, Drop set of 40lbs for 11 reps.
Set 2....same as above.
Hammies
Seated Hamstring Curls: 130lbs for 10,5,3,3
All in all another very solid workout. I'll tell you, when I first looked at DC training I thought the workouts would be a breeze....yeah, I couldn't have been more wrong!
I think one thing with Jungle Warfare that I haven't commented on is that although I'm dead-ass tired when I walk out, my stamina for each set is far greater than when I wasn't taking JW. Each set I feel almost just as fresh as I did on my first set...not completely, but moreso than when I'm not taking JW. Good stuff
Terminator LMG
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Day 39
The strength gains that Jungle Warfare has given me have been damn impressive (granted there is some degree of psychology working, but I feel very confident saying that the vast majority of my strength gains are directly from the JW). But some minor aches and injuries have started to rear their ugly head as a result of it. Mostly I have a minor sprain at the insertion point of my anterior deltoid/pectoralis major and right clavicle. I feel it when I perform any bench pressing movements....blah....this sucks. But I have the weekend to rest and recover and I won't be hitting and sort of pressing movements again until next wednesday.
On a positive note, today's workout was still pretty kick-ass.
Modified DC style: Back (Width), Chest, Tris, Back(thickness), Delts
Back Width
Pullups: Bodyweight for 6,2,2,2,2,1...last one was a slow negative. This isn't as easy to do weighing 236lbs as it was when I was 220lbs!! LOL!
Chest
Dumbell Presses (Palms rotated in towards body, facing each other)...90lb dumbells for 12 reps.
Then a Rest/Pause set using 100lb dumbells for 8,4,3.
Triceps
Lying barbell Extensions: 115lbs for 9,4,3.
Overhead Dumbell Ext (1-arm): 42.5lbs for 10,4,3,3 Rest/Pause...followed by a drop set of 27.5lb for 7 X-reps at the sweet spot.
Back Thickness
To protect my shoulder today I decided it would be best to not do dumbell rows with heavy ass dumbells and instead use a machine for a little more control.
Machine Rows (wide grip): 130 for 8,4,4,3
Delts
Side Lateral Raises: 42.5lbs...10,4,3,3
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Overall a very solid workout. I had to make some modifications due to the aggrivated tissue, but I got through it.
For those of you who are concerned about hairloss and shedding due to elevated test, there has been none to report of at all, and I am prone to MPB. The acne too hasn't been an issue since the first week.
The strength gains that Jungle Warfare has given me have been damn impressive (granted there is some degree of psychology working, but I feel very confident saying that the vast majority of my strength gains are directly from the JW). But some minor aches and injuries have started to rear their ugly head as a result of it. Mostly I have a minor sprain at the insertion point of my anterior deltoid/pectoralis major and right clavicle. I feel it when I perform any bench pressing movements....blah....this sucks. But I have the weekend to rest and recover and I won't be hitting and sort of pressing movements again until next wednesday.
On a positive note, today's workout was still pretty kick-ass.
Modified DC style: Back (Width), Chest, Tris, Back(thickness), Delts
Back Width
Pullups: Bodyweight for 6,2,2,2,2,1...last one was a slow negative. This isn't as easy to do weighing 236lbs as it was when I was 220lbs!! LOL!
Chest
Dumbell Presses (Palms rotated in towards body, facing each other)...90lb dumbells for 12 reps.
Then a Rest/Pause set using 100lb dumbells for 8,4,3.
Triceps
Lying barbell Extensions: 115lbs for 9,4,3.
Overhead Dumbell Ext (1-arm): 42.5lbs for 10,4,3,3 Rest/Pause...followed by a drop set of 27.5lb for 7 X-reps at the sweet spot.
Back Thickness
To protect my shoulder today I decided it would be best to not do dumbell rows with heavy ass dumbells and instead use a machine for a little more control.
Machine Rows (wide grip): 130 for 8,4,4,3
Delts
Side Lateral Raises: 42.5lbs...10,4,3,3
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Overall a very solid workout. I had to make some modifications due to the aggrivated tissue, but I got through it.
For those of you who are concerned about hairloss and shedding due to elevated test, there has been none to report of at all, and I am prone to MPB. The acne too hasn't been an issue since the first week.
somewhatgifted
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Triceps
Lying barbell Extensions: 115lbs for 9,4,3.Overhead Dumbell Ext (1-arm): 42.5lbs for 10,4,3,3 Rest/Pause...followed by a drop set of 27.5lb for 7 X-reps at the sweet spot.
Do you mean skull crushers or a variation?
Lying barbell Extensions: 115lbs for 9,4,3.Overhead Dumbell Ext (1-arm): 42.5lbs for 10,4,3,3 Rest/Pause...followed by a drop set of 27.5lb for 7 X-reps at the sweet spot.
Do you mean skull crushers or a variation?
Terminator LMG
Member
somewhatgifted said:
Which one are you refering too? Lying barbell extensions or the overhead extensions using one arm? I've always heard the name skull crushers but never knew to which exercise it specifically applied.
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Viperspit said:
Cool Cool!! :drunk: