hman85
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i liked the dc style i need to do it some more and get a better feel for it. i think it has some great potential.
THUNDERGOD'S 3-WEEK BLITZ-KRIEG with Methyl-E, M-Drol, And D-Bol
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thundergod
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Pct Day 9
UPDATE: I just got finished doing my rowing machine cardio for today. As usual, it was in the H.I.I.T style! I like to get it done and get on with the rest of my day. And this method is just plain more effective than slow-paced cardio. PCT is moving along extremely well. I either bounce back quickly from my cycles, or I just don't comprehend suppression in the first place! lol I feel like I'm recovering from last cycle exactly as planned. Now it's only 12 days until my next cycle! Awesome!! I'm really liking this burst-cycling method that Russianstar and myself are utilizing. It's brief and effective! And it makes for quicker and easier PCT's. 3 weeks on--3 weeks off, then do it again. I like what pistonpump told me awhileback. He told me this is like pulsing on a Bizarro world where 3 weeks=1 day!:toofunny: That's about the jist of it. I'm not certain on exactly how many back to back cycles can be employed safely and effectively though. This is where the experimentation comes in. This was only Round 1 this time. There's lots more to come!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
UPDATE: I just got finished doing my rowing machine cardio for today. As usual, it was in the H.I.I.T style! I like to get it done and get on with the rest of my day. And this method is just plain more effective than slow-paced cardio. PCT is moving along extremely well. I either bounce back quickly from my cycles, or I just don't comprehend suppression in the first place! lol I feel like I'm recovering from last cycle exactly as planned. Now it's only 12 days until my next cycle! Awesome!! I'm really liking this burst-cycling method that Russianstar and myself are utilizing. It's brief and effective! And it makes for quicker and easier PCT's. 3 weeks on--3 weeks off, then do it again. I like what pistonpump told me awhileback. He told me this is like pulsing on a Bizarro world where 3 weeks=1 day!:toofunny: That's about the jist of it. I'm not certain on exactly how many back to back cycles can be employed safely and effectively though. This is where the experimentation comes in. This was only Round 1 this time. There's lots more to come!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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I had no idea you were starting another 1 that quickly.I must of missed it if you mentioned it earlier.How many do you plan on doing before stopping for a while?How many has russian star done or plan to do?
thundergod
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I hope you understood that I was merely reflecting on your choice of dosages for the Havoc. It would be more profitable for you to run it either 4 or 6 weeks. Personally, I wouldn't do an 8 week cycle. That's a long time to have be in PCT before running anything else. That means a longer time frame for you to have to fight to maintain the gains made from on-cycle. So, that being said, you should plan it for 4 or 6 weeks. I think you would gain great from either 30/30/40/50 OR 30/30/40/40/50/50. I'm just excited about you running it now! :dance:Hurry up!! JK lol I am eager for you to log this thing and subscribe to it!! Go get 'em Pantera!!:head: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
thundergod
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This was only Round 2 for Russianstar and Round 1 for me. I'm not 100% sure how many can be planned back to back without suppression taking over eventually. This is like using a modified pulse method, you can go longer, but eventually you'll probably need an extended PCT. I figure after 4 or 5 of these 3 week bursts, one could employ a 6 week aggressive PCT, then go natty for a month, and get back on the train!! :woohoo:This is all theoretical at this point however. This is where Russian and I are experimenting to find the sweet spot for others to employ later for themselves. We're sort of "feeling" our way through the darkness right now!:fool2: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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30/30/40/40/50/50 sounds great!Thats why I don't like longer cycles is because of the longer break.The difference between a 3 to 4 week cycles is a 3 week longer break before starting another.Sounds like thats what havoc is suited for though is longer cycles.It will be logged.I'll let everyone know when it happens.I'm not sure when it will start quite yet.
thundergod
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No. I never run the exact same cycle twice in a row! The next one is planned as: 3 weeks--EST Methyl-E (Epi) @30 mg., ALRI Methoxy TRN @ 6 mg. (4 caps), and Phera-Bol @ 20 mg. everyday for the whole 3 weeks. My pre-workout androgen line-up will be BioSciences Methoxy TST @6 caps 1 hour prior to training only 3 days per week. That sh!t will make you tear down walls!!:aargh: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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I just cheked my old log and it was exactly 8 weeks ago that I finished my 3 week m drol cycle.I'm still using DTH and restore from MMV2.I think I've been using it for about a week or two.I'll start shortly after i'm done.
thundergod
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Good deal! You know you've got me and BlackSheep on the edge of our fukkin' chairs waitin' on this thang, don't you? ha ha Go get 'em brother! I'm as excited as you are about this!!!!! :woohoo: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
Australian made
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^^^ you love all this roid banter don't you big fella!!
thundergod
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You know I do!! All this talk of roids is makin' me phukkin' hungry!!:food: lol THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
Force of Green
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Happy belated Father's Day Black Sheep and ThunderGod!
bassgod272
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mmmmm....TTTTSSSSTTTT :head:
ThisGuy2
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Do you mean you're still rebounding? Were you using MMV2 pulsed on training days like TG did here, or were you running it 3 weeks straight?
Australian made
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TG im offline as of tomorrow and no gym for a good 5-6 weeks. will be checking in on you lot from time to time. Keep it up big fella. You have probably ran 3 more cycles by the time i get back!!!
thundergod
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Hey mate, you have the most wonderful time ever on that long vacation! Remember the rest of us while you're partying your arse off!! Do check in as often as you can. Kiss some wenches for me!! :chick:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
thundergod
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Thanks FOGster!! Is there any little FOG's running around yet? THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
BlackSheep
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Please bass......you know you don't like that garbage lol......:fool2:
O and fcuk yea Force thanks dawgy!!!:dance:
BlackSheep
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I'll tell you exactly what this is (madness???.......no) it's an extra week added on to the old school 2 on 2 off method.. I guess it's a little different in a few ways but basically it's been around for like 40 years lol.....people used to do it back in the day to avoid pct all together (I think)....:clap2:
pantera101
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I used it 3 weeks straight at 4 caps day.If you're thinking I wont be ready it is the mildest ph ever!I was told to just look at it as a normal supplement before using it.One was using it as part of PCT.I didn't feel the need for PCT at all,but better safe than sorry.And why not run a couple test boosters for a month?Theirs a reason why VS and GNC sell it.
thundergod
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Well, in all actuality it is Burst-Cycling with some personal modifications. I'm not saying that Russianstar and I are inventing a new method or anything like that at all. But I DO invent new mixtures of PH/PS/AAS that I've never seen before. That's what makes all of this so exciting for me! To put together my own personal stacks to judge their effectiveness and then possibly recommend them to others. I can tell you one thing By-Odin, you guys would enjoy that Blitz-Krieg I just finished. That was a very strong cycle.:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
thundergod
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4 times. Great for strength. Some have compared it to d-bol, but I like d-bol better personally. But Phera is good. It's gonna be banned soon though. Freakin' sucks big hairy balls too!!:aargh: I'm down to 3 bottles in my stash right now.:sad: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
BlackSheep
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Yes he has....I'll let him speak for himself on it though lol...:hammer:
TG, I didn't mean to sound like a smartass either bro but after I read your quote of what I posted I realized it def probably sounded like that lol.......My bad man...:sad:lol...
And I agree your running stacks that I have never seen anyone else run, the synergy of them is well thought out and they sure seem to be working out!
Anyways bro I............never mind I'll PM you that thought.:fool2:
TG, I didn't mean to sound like a smartass either bro but after I read your quote of what I posted I realized it def probably sounded like that lol.......My bad man...:sad:lol...
And I agree your running stacks that I have never seen anyone else run, the synergy of them is well thought out and they sure seem to be working out!
Anyways bro I............never mind I'll PM you that thought.:fool2:
celc5
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Big fella, I gotta say that 20mg of phera prolly isn't gonna do much but make your nips itchy. If I ran phera again, I would have ran it 30/40/50/ and maybe 60 and, by the looks of your pics, you have 50 or 60 pounds on me. I'd even do it that way if I was stacking with trn.
I completely understand that you are lowering the dosages because of your mega stacks. But I just don't quite think 20mg phera is anabolic enough to make a positive difference.
There is a killer epi/tren log on DA that a good man is about 4 weeks into. He had some lethargy during the 3rd week but we helped get him out of that funk. He says strength is rediculous and the only side seems to be low libido.
pistonpump
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what tren is he running? its not the injectable so is it the TRN or Finigenx clone?
bassgod272
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Methoxy-TRN
thundergod
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Good to hear from you again my friend. And thanks for the input as always. I understand your logic with the Phera doses. But the brunt of this cycle is to mainly focus on the Epi/TRN combo. That's the meat and Phera is only small potatoes!! lol I don't truly like Phera all that much, I'm more or less using up what I have left in stash. I don't really want to go up on the dosage, because the concentrated purpose of this cycle is to be a cutter. Phera is more conducive to a bulker IMO. I know you can actually cut with ANY PS/PH/AAS as long as diet and cardio are in check. I have ran Phera standalone @60 mg. per day in the past. So I fully know what to expect from this compound. I have used it 4 times in the past! But thanks again for your help Bro!! :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
Australian made
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FWIW 20mg of phera had me hitting pr's every single workout not to mention the weight was flying on.........
ThisGuy2
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I agree with you on this. Phera's known to be very wet, and going too high on the dose will likely work against the dry look that both epi and TRN offer.
thundergod
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Thanks Aussie and ThisGuy2!! I'm definitely NOT going to increase that Phera dose, especially with the strength of the total stack being what it is. Phera is very strong both anabolically and androgenically. It has a better Q-ratio than Super-Drol even. Though I prefer Super over Phera anyday, Phera has been compared by many people to d-bol. That's why I'm substitutuing Phera for D-Bol in this next cycle. It's to give the d-bols (which I just took this last cycle) a break. And the addition of the Phera will only augment the strength of this cycle! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:EDIT: You must spread some reputation around before giving it to AustralianMade and ThisGuy2 again!! DAMN!!!
ThisGuy2
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I bet his libido is low! TRN wrecks my libido, even at 4mg it happened both times I ran it. Likewise, and I know people react both ways to epi, but for me personally...:nutkick:
Both stacked together would probably be the death of my sex drive for a good while. TG's working TST in, which will definitely help in that area. Plus, if the epi/sd combo hasn't bothered you, I'd say you don't have much to worry about there brother. Should see some friggin' savage strength off this!
thundergod
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As it has been stated so often before, everyone responds differently to different compounds. The first time I ran TRN back in February my libido increased like an animal during the whole cycle. I WAS taking the TST that time also, so maybe that did have something to do with it. I probably won't ever risk running the TRN without the TST. The only thing that has ever lowered my libido was AI's at too strong a dose! That will slay your libido!!:saw: And yeah, I'm uber excited about running this cycle. Strength of a God, but only increased!!:aargh: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
ThisGuy2
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Yep, that most definitely will do it to ya, too. I used to PCT with my AI at 300/300/600/600. This time around I'm thinking of trying 100/200/300/200/100 starting week 3 of pct (when I hit nolva at the 20 dose for the last 2). I'm thinking that along with my DTH throughout should work nicely. How do you run your AI, when you do it?
thundergod
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I think the problem that you encountered with those past dosages was that you were ending on a very high dose. AI's need to be tapered off before discontinuing! The second PCT you outlined will work nicely for what you have just ran. When I'm on-cycle and notice a need for an AI, I use my transdermal Formestane/Trione combo. I'll take 100 mg. of each per day. The reason for Form on-cycle is that it does convert to 4-hydroxy-testosterone which could be suppressive in a high enough dose. You wouldn't actually want to do that during PCT. The AI I'm using during PCT's is oral ATD. I'll take 50 mg. everyday for the first week or two of my PCT. Then on the final week or two, I'll lower it to just 25 mg. everyday. It's some very strong sh!t!! These lower dosages have NEVER bothered my libido by the way!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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Have you seen ozarkabrands quest for minimal suppression TG?It's about doing 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off I believe.You should check it out and chime in.
ThisGuy2
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Thanks! That's what I'm going to go with, then. I think it should work out much better.
thundergod
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Thanks Pantera!! I'm very interested in checking that out!! Can you give me a link or tell me what section it's under? THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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It's in the steroid section towards the top right now.
thundergod
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Thanks brosetski!! I already found it and subscribed. It's a great thread. I told ozarka to come check out this Blitz-Krieg and read why I believe Burst-Cycling to be so effective! I think the way that you prefer short cycles, you would absolutely love these 3 week blasts that Russianstar and I are utilizing!!:thumbsup: :aargh:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
pantera101
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They sound intriguing.Arizonanewbie in Oz's thread is doing the 2 weeks on and off with havoc right now and has had some good gains so far.I'll have to keep watching and see how the multiple cycles go.I'm still not sure when I'll start mine simply because of the support supps.Although this time will be much cheaper than last.I don't think I will use MT during my cycle either.
thundergod
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I think you are making the right decision about not taking Milk Thistle during your cycle. I think it will hinder the effects of your exogenous androgens. I don't take it on-cycle anymore. And I noticed a stronger effect from my PS/AAS because of it. And you don't need a kitchen-sink full of supports to run Havoc anyway as it is somewhat mild in regards to sides. :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
celc5
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Ya, he's a mess in that department. Probably around the week 4 mark, libido started to take a hit and has been an issue since then.
For whoever asked, he's using kilosports trenadrol I think... but don't quote me on that.
Actually, I completely agree with you. If strength is your goal, phera is perfect. I was gaining stength through my entire 5 weeks on phera and didn't see any end in sight in terms of strength possibilities. But I was constantly reaching plateaus in terms of lean mass gains, and had to up the dosage every 7 days (and would have gone higher if I had a third bottle to play with).
pantera101
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:lol:
pantera101
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No,it'll just be niacin,fish oil,HB,celery seed,and a multi realy.I already take all but the niacin and celery seed,and I already have the niacin.HB will be dosed high!Higher than recomended.Celery seed will be at max recomended dose.I already have nolva and will only need an AI.But!I'm strongly considering nolva only.I have heard of a few doing this with the real thing and recovering just fine.I'll reasearch it more though but I read about this a long time ago and was recently told on here that he and his friends routinely use a serm onlyIt will propbably be nolva for 4 weeks,and starting a natty test booster at week 3 and running for a month.Of course high amounts of MT as well.
I'm ready to see how these next cycles go for ya'll.I ran my first designer for 4 weeks and started another 6 weeks after.The guys at the supp store said they use a designer for a month,an AI for a month,and then go right back on!Well I only recieved negative side from the second cycle and it was a SD/phera combo.So def not weak by any means.I'm not sure if the 3 on and off or 2 on and off would work for me.
celc5
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It's possible there's some misunderstanding here. I'm referring to another broski who's running epi/tren that we were discussing earlier in the thread. I think TG is using the powder, which from as far as I can see, is no longer available? :think:
pantera101
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You said don't quote me and I did.Thats why I :lol:
thundergod
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All in good fun you guys! Hey celc, are you saying that the Epi powder from that "site" is out now? Crap!! I'm using my EST Methyl-E this time, by the way. But I have some of that Epi powder in stash for later. I'll make an olive-oil suspension out of it when I do run it. Dude, stuff is running out everywhere. WTF's going on?!!
THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
thundergod
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Pct Day 11
CHEST AND TRICEPS: Only a few weight increases for today's session. Strength seems to be leveling off now. But I refuse to let it drop!!:aargh: Some numbers from the battlefront: FLAT BENCH PRESSES: 300 X 11. INCLINE BENCH PRESSES: 295 X 10. Both of these lifts went up from last week!! I couldn't be happier. PEC-DECK FLYES: 195 X 10. PULLOVERS: 135 X 10. Up 5 more pounds here. LOW CABLE-CROSSOVERS: 75 X 10. OVERHEAD TRICEPS EXTENSIONS: 180 X 10. ONE-ARM CABLE PUSHDOWNS: 80 X 10. ONE-ARM OVERHEAD PULLEY EXTENSIONS: 65 X 10. Strength is holding up much better than I had expected it to. I was pushing balls to the wall while on-cycle, so I was a little worried about being able to maintain that same level of strength. But not only have I maintained it, but also passed it on a few occasions. Now I've only got 10 days until it's time to start a new adventure!! I think I'll make it insane this time around!! :fool2:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
CHEST AND TRICEPS: Only a few weight increases for today's session. Strength seems to be leveling off now. But I refuse to let it drop!!:aargh: Some numbers from the battlefront: FLAT BENCH PRESSES: 300 X 11. INCLINE BENCH PRESSES: 295 X 10. Both of these lifts went up from last week!! I couldn't be happier. PEC-DECK FLYES: 195 X 10. PULLOVERS: 135 X 10. Up 5 more pounds here. LOW CABLE-CROSSOVERS: 75 X 10. OVERHEAD TRICEPS EXTENSIONS: 180 X 10. ONE-ARM CABLE PUSHDOWNS: 80 X 10. ONE-ARM OVERHEAD PULLEY EXTENSIONS: 65 X 10. Strength is holding up much better than I had expected it to. I was pushing balls to the wall while on-cycle, so I was a little worried about being able to maintain that same level of strength. But not only have I maintained it, but also passed it on a few occasions. Now I've only got 10 days until it's time to start a new adventure!! I think I'll make it insane this time around!! :fool2:THE THUNDERGOD:hammer: