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The Solution logs Major Gains

jtmass said:
Don’t sell them. See if it benefits you. It’s not that a supplement has to work on everyone. There are obviously non responders.. Try during a cut and see if you can hold on to your strength.
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Major Gains may work differently for you. Or you won't know for sure until you give it a shot. This is just how it is reacting for TheSolution. So try it out for yourself before ditching it:)
 
The Solution said:
Off Day
2/2/2 Dosing.




Should we really have to increase the dose if this is what your product claims?

Phosphatidic Acid which was able to help produce 5.3 lbs of muscle gains on just 3 days of training in studies with up to a 600% increase in mTOR signaling. Maral Extract which as able to increase working capacity by up to 15% after just 20 days of use. Ursolic Acid which boasted 413% more muscle gains and 5 lbs of fat loss in a 4-week university study.

Some people can't gain 10 pounds of muscle in a year let alone 3 days.
What was controlled in the study!?
What was their dietary intake like?
What was their training program?
How much experience did these trainees have!?
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Lol. I didn’t design the product but the numbers aren’t pulled out of thin air. Come on... you should know better.

The 750mg mediator (which is the EXACT same extract/company that muscle tech phosphamuscle uses) was the dose ran during the study. There is tons of positive feedback on this exact same ingredient ALONE (Disregarding all the other ingredients). I haven’t read it exactly but it looks more controlled than what you’re doing. Here is the link and some screen shots if you want to compare.

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I’ll look up the maral claim later if you would like. I am sure you can find the ursolic acid claim on Blackstones recomp RX and or Patrick Arnold’s UA product.

Point is-all the claims are founded and grounded in the exact same studies that the major products using the same ingredients. Most of these products have very positive feedback as well.

So I don’t need to a rebuttal as it is obvious the product isn’t working for you (and I really wish it was). However, to act like the product isn’t well formulated or there are unfounded claims is flat out wrong.

Again! We appreciate the honest feedback and log
 
The Solution said:
Off Day
2/2/2 Dosing.




Should we really have to increase the dose if this is what your product claims?

Phosphatidic Acid which was able to help produce 5.3 lbs of muscle gains on just 3 days of training in studies with up to a 600% increase in mTOR signaling. Maral Extract which as able to increase working capacity by up to 15% after just 20 days of use. Ursolic Acid which boasted 413% more muscle gains and 5 lbs of fat loss in a 4-week university study.

Some people can't gain 10 pounds of muscle in a year let alone 3 days.
What was controlled in the study!?
What was their dietary intake like?
What was their training program?
How much experience did these trainees have!?
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I completely agree. The product is definitely not under dosed and for an average male, you really shouldn't have to up the dose or even double dose. The study really doesn't answer any of the questions Solution has asked here as well.
 
jtmass said:
I completely agree. The product is definitely not under dosed and for an average male, you really shouldn't have to up the dose or even double dose. The study really doesn't answer any of the questions Solution has asked here as well.
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I think muscle tech actually released the same training etc. did you click on the link? I could be mistaken but his questions about training which were definitely addressed in the link (not the pics).

Don’t have much time to dive into it this morning but my whole point was that the claims aren’t coming from assault Labs. They are based off science and studies utilized by the likes of muscletech and Patrick Arnold for a few of the ingredients.
 
They way "Phosphatidic Acid which was able to help produce 5.3 lbs of muscle gains on just 3 days of training in studies with up to a 600% increase in mTOR signaling" is written could be misleading. According to the links provided, it is a 3 day training regiment for a test duration of 8 weeks. Another thing to notice is that both groups made significant changes and according to the data charts similar trend in change.
 
Afi140 said:
I think muscle tech actually released the same training etc. did you click on the link? I could be mistaken but his questions about training which were definitely addressed in the link (not the pics).

Don’t have much time to dive into it this morning but my whole point was that the claims aren’t coming from assault Labs. They are based off science and studies utilized by the likes of muscletech and Patrick Arnold for a few of the ingredients.
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I did. But again, it doesn’t answer their diet, how much experience in training did the guys have already. These two are very important factors to consider. Solution has kept his diet the same and has been training for years. His experience level and muscle maturity plays an important role.
 
I could see that I guess but it’s still accurate. It just doesn’t have the duration of 8 weeks after the 3 days. Hopefully anyone with half a brain would realize that 5.3lbs of muscle is not attainable in 3 days no matter what is in the product lol.

I’m not rehashing the claims from this study as this has been done on multiple forums for pages and pages when the muscletech product was released.

My only clarification was that the claims and numbers from the citations in this product are the exact same ones from a myriad of other major products out atm. They all came from studies done outside of assault Labs. That’s my only clarification and it has no bearing on whether or not Bob is enjoying the product.

Back to your regularly scheduled log
 
jtmass said:
I did. But again, it doesn’t answer their diet, how much experience in training did the guys have already. These two are very important factors to consider. Solution has kept his diet the same and has been training for years. His experience level and muscle maturity plays an important role.
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Perhaps you missed it. Some info is given..
Section “Phase 2 (human efficacy study)”
Paragraph 1 ~ half way through paragraph.
Diet, 4th paragraph of same section.
 
Afi140 said:
I could see that I guess but it’s still accurate. It just doesn’t have the duration of 8 weeks after the 3 days. Hopefully anyone with half a brain would realize that 5.3lbs of muscle is not attainable in 3 days no matter what is in the product lol.

I’m not rehashing the claims from this study as this has been done on multiple forums for pages and pages when the muscletech product was released.

My only clarification was that the claims and numbers from the citations in this product are the exact same ones from a myriad of other major products out atm. They all came from studies done outside of assault Labs. That’s my only clarification and it has no bearing on whether or not Bob is enjoying the product.

Back to your regularly scheduled log
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Got it. And I agree.

Mowglisml said:
Perhaps you missed it. Some info is given..
Section “Phase 2 (human efficacy study)”
Paragraph 1 ~ half way through paragraph.
Diet, 4th paragraph of same section.
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Does it say they were on caloric surplus or deficit or maintenance? I didn’t see that anywhere.
 
This is the G.O.A.T. Of all logs. Every time I open this thread I am amused. Upping the dosage on something that isn’t working at the current dosing protocol is not smart. Research was conducted at x research was not conducted at y. So theoretically I should be able to predict sides at present dosing. I have no way of knowing at higher doses.

Telling some one to eat more as being viable to prove something works is like me creating a placebo and telling ppl to eat 6000 calories a day and guaranteeing weight gain.

If honesty is appreciated then it is what it is and skewing variables takes away the integrity of the log.

It’s clear this product isn’t working for the three on am. At least I haven’t seen any, but whoever said some ppl just don’t get results is theoretically right, just isn’t great odds 3 of 3 are finding nothing.

A lot of products work, some work differently that’s why we do logs. And the creators of this should be happy to see it not working, of course they would’ve preferred it to work, but many, many successful ppl have stated that you haven’t made it til you’ve failed. You go back to the drawing board and rethink things. It happens all the time..

But ppl please keep on going back and forth, it’s wildly entertaining to watch
 
Afi140 said:
but the numbers aren’t pulled out of thin air. Come on... you should know better.
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So if numbers are not pulled out of thin air, ....... you just stated gaining 5.3 pounds of muscle in 3 days is unattainable.

Afi140 said:
. Hopefully anyone with half a brain would realize that 5.3lbs of muscle is not attainable in 3 days no matter what is in the product lol.
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Not even people on real drugs can see those strength gains. I understand the study as this was done years ago , but I think these claims are a bit of a far stretch, and you even agreed with your statement above

That is exactly what I was getting at . It’s right in your product write up which can be misleading to consumers and customers
 
I know you’re smart enough to know the study was done over an 8 week period but if it makes you feel better the statement IS still in the write up. If you read under the PA section it clearly says 8 weeks. If you failed to see that, read that, or comprehend that I apologize. I don’t think it was intentional but I will try and get the write up on our site updated.

Now we can all sleep at night and move on with our lives and the log.

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Mesocycle #9
Week 5 Day 3


Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


Lying Leg Curl:
140 x 10 --> 110 x 10 --> 80 x 20 + 20 Partials

Leg Press:
8 Plates/Side x 8 --> 7 Plates x 6 --> 6 Plates x 12 --> 4 Plates x 25

Leg Extension:
60 Each Leg x 10 (4 Sets)

Chain Lunges:
50lbs Chains x 20 Steps (4 Sets)

Stiff Leg Deadlifts:
275 x 8 (4 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Milka Double Chocolate Candy Bar
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Major Gains
Nothing has changed coming close to end of week 6. Going into the final stretch of the 2nd bottle.
 
I've seen those candy bars in the store before but have to restrain myself or i will buy all of them haha. Oreos are my weakness and then they go and make a candy bar with oreos.
 
LeanEngineer said:
I've seen those candy bars in the store before but have to restrain myself or i will buy all of them haha. Oreos are my weakness and then they go and make a candy bar with oreos.
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They just came out, you may be thinking of the OG bars without the double chocolate filling.


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Yea that's what i'm thinking of! I'll have to look harder in the store for the double chocolate!
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 5 Day 4

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


A 1: Cable Curl
A 2: DB Hammer Curl
A 3: EZ Bar Curl
A 4: Pinwheel Curl
4 Rounds of 8-10 Reps

B 1: Tricep Pressdown
B 2: Overhead tricep extension
B 3: DB Kickback
B 4: Overhead DB Tricep Skullcrusher
4 Rounds of 8-10 Reps

Post-Workout:
Graeter's Rocky Road (LE Flavor)
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Major Gains
Still not much to note in anything that is outlined on the label or towards the product claims.
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 5 Day 5

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


A 1: DB Hex Press
A 2: DB Fly
A 3: DB Chest Press
4 Rounds of 8-10 Reps

B 1: Low Cable Row
B 2: Lat Pulldown
B 3: Single Arm Pullover
4 Rounds of 8-10 Reps

C 1: Dumbbell Rear Delt Raise
C 2: DB Side Laterals
4 Rounds of 20 Reps

Post-Workout:
Reuben & SP Fries
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(Need to roll out my left scapula)
 
Been awhile since I had a good Reuben, Looking good Bob !!
 
Nice update pics. Looking lean. Food pics > update pics:)
 
Yeah I was expecting major gains too. I agree though u look great but if the product did what it was supposed to you’d be an absolute monster with that training and diet regimen you’re on.
 
I’m just about finished my first bottle. Bought a couple at the opening sale. Literally haven’t noticed anything either. I mean everyone responds differently but considering zero out of the 4 controlled reviews that I’ve seen so far including myself noticed anything it’s not a good look. Especially not for a “military grade” supplement lol. I’m gunna bump up the dose mainly just to finish it off quicker
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 6 Day 1

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

DB Row:
100's x 10 (3 Sets)

Lat Pulldown:
120 x 8 (3 Sets)

DB Pullover Banded:
45lb x 10 (3 Sets)

Supported Chest Row:
2-45's x 8 (3 Sets)

Low Row:
140 x 8 (5 Sets)
** 30 Seconds Rest **

Post-Workout:
Cereal & Whey
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Major Gains
Still nothing strength, mood, libido, energy , recovery wise to note.
 
I am here for the food porn :)
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 6 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

HS Machine Chest Press
3 Plates + 25/Side x 8 (3 sets)

Incline DB Bench:
100's x 6 (3 Sets)

Incline Smith Bench:
185 x 10 (4 Sets)

Dips:
BW x Failure (4 Sets)

Reverse Pec Dec:
55 x 20 + 10 Seconds Iso-Tension (3 Sets)

Heavy DB Partial Lateral's:
50's x 25 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:
PB&J Pancakes
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Still dosing 2/2/2 on training and non training.. Weight / Body Comp / Mood / Libido / Recovery all the same
 
The Solution said:
Mesocycle #9
Week 6 Day 2

Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds

HS Machine Chest Press
3 Plates + 25/Side x 8 (3 sets)

Incline DB Bench:
100's x 6 (3 Sets)

Incline Smith Bench:
185 x 10 (4 Sets)

Dips:
BW x Failure (4 Sets)

Reverse Pec Dec:
55 x 20 + 10 Seconds Iso-Tension (3 Sets)

Heavy DB Partial Lateral's:
50's x 25 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:
PB&J Pancakes
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Still dosing 2/2/2 on training and non training.. Weight / Body Comp / Mood / Libido / Recovery all the same
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oh god, those pancakes look amazing... now i need to make them
 
Sparta12 said:
oh god, those pancakes look amazing... now i need to make them
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I would try them but mine would never look that good. haha His look like they came out of Food Network's magazine.
 
Mesocycle #9
Week 6 Day 3


Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


Lying Leg Curl:
140 x 15 (3 Sets)

Squat:
275 x 10 (3 Sets)

Leg Press:
8 Plates/Side x 10 (3 Sets)

Chain Lunges:
50lbs Chains x 20 Steps (4 Sets)

Stiff Leg Deadlifts:
225 x 10 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Breaded Chicken, Rice & Veggies
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Major Gains
Have yet to notice anything to show a boost towards training, libido, recovery throughout the log. Almost wrapping up week 7
 
At least you are eating well !!
 
Love how the rice mound is a perfect shape of a 1c measuring cup lol (or is it not?)
 
The Solution said:
Mesocycle #9
Week 6 Day 3


Tempo Indication: Eccentric:Pause:Concentric:Fle x (x:x:x:x)
All Rep Tempo's are 2:1:2:2
Rest Times are 90 Seconds


Lying Leg Curl:
140 x 15 (3 Sets)

Squat:
275 x 10 (3 Sets)

Leg Press:
8 Plates/Side x 10 (3 Sets)

Chain Lunges:
50lbs Chains x 20 Steps (4 Sets)

Stiff Leg Deadlifts:
225 x 10 (3 Sets)

Post-Workout:
Breaded Chicken, Rice & Veggies
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Major Gains
Have yet to notice anything to show a boost towards training, libido, recovery throughout the log. Almost wrapping up week 7
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Must start to kick around the 8th week.....lol
 
Brother how are you liking the Meadow's program? Is this your 1st program from him? I'm potentially interested in getting one of the programs on the site.
 
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2/2/2 Dosing
Should have final review up by next week when 2nd bottle does finish.

boobie45 said:
Brother how are you liking the Meadow's program? Is this your 1st program from him? I'm potentially interested in getting one of the programs on the site.
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Great
I have ran a few of them over my years, and have met the guy multiple times in real life. Total class act in person. I also competed with him in 2012 at Collegiate Nationals in Pittsburgh, PA
 
Looking forward to the final review.
 
I am trying to think how I want to run the two bottles I have ??????????
 
Rocket3015 said:
I am trying to think how I want to run the two bottles I have ??????????
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10 caps a day for 36 days, maybe buy one more... honestly you'd want to go minimum of 10 if you want to notice anything I think... I am starting to get slight benefit of 10 (was originally gonna do 12, but just gonna go with 10 coz of money haha)

But that being said, not too sure if it is worth buying another bottle at the price haha
 
Rocket3015 said:
I am trying to think how I want to run the two bottles I have ??????????
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One bottle a day. (So, you have enough for two days) You’ll want to split it in thirds through out the day. 1/3 with breakfast, lunch and dinner.
 
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