The Official Hypothyroidism Thread

So when they abate they just kill the part that absorbs iodine. Not malnurshed at 6'2" and 217#. My BF is higher than I like though
 
you'll know when you see someone who has hyperthyroidism enough to warrant treatment, they look anorexic. I went to high school with a girl who had it, and she was about 70 pounds soaking wet.

No 217 pound guy who has a higher bf than he would like should be treated for hyperthyroidism IMO, and if ur bf is higher than you would like why in the world would you be entertaining hyperthyroidism treatment?? I guess I'm a little confused, and I think your doc is too.
 
dirtwarrior said:
I have slight hyperthyroidism and VA doctors wants to abate (kill) part of my thyroid and give me pills to fix it. Some people who knows please respond
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Do you mean hypo-thyroidism?

- Hypo-thyroidism = thyroid is working less than functional; e.g. you have slow to no metabolism and can be overweight or obese
- Hyper-thyroidism = thyroid is working too much; e.g. you will be nothing but skin and bones because your metabolism is too high, so you can't keep on any weight (muscle OR fat)
 
MidwestBeast said:
Do you mean hypo-thyroidism?

- Hypo-thyroidism = thyroid is working less than functional; e.g. you have slow to no metabolism and can be overweight or obese
- Hyper-thyroidism = thyroid is working too much; e.g. you will be nothing but skin and bones because your metabolism is too high, so you can't keep on any weight (muscle OR fat)
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lol, just dawned on me he might have mixed the two up beast. Though the mention of killing off part of the thyroid is certainly not consistent with anything related to treating hypo.
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
lol, just dawned on me he might have mixed the two up beast. Though the mention of killing off part of the thyroid is certainly not consistent with anything related to treating hypo.
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Yeah.

dirtwarrior said:
TSH 0.010 Free THYOXIN 1.9
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Are you on any medication? If those are baseline numbers, that's certainly screaming "hyperthyroidism" but being overweight doesn't seem to come along with that unless you're looking at a secondary set of problems like undiagnosed/untreated diabetes or something else.
 
MidwestBeast said:
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Are you on any medication? If those are baseline numbers, that's certainly screaming "hyperthyroidism" but being overweight doesn't seem to come along with that unless you're looking at a secondary set of problems like undiagnosed/untreated diabetes or something else.
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right, right. Certainly could have been taking something that was artificially suppressing tsh. If that's not the case, then there is certainly a secondary condition with one of the hormones produced by the pituitary, such as cortisol. I guess what blows my mind is that the doc could read the numbers, take one look at him, and NOT think there is a secondary problem and just go right to killing his thyroid, lol. That's not how you treat someone.
 
I will let them do further test but nothing drastic until I understand every thing No diabetis though

If I take something to lower cortisol would that help?
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
right, right. Certainly could have been taking something that was artificially suppressing tsh. If that's not the case, then there is certainly a secondary condition with one of the hormones produced by the pituitary, such as cortisol. I guess what blows my mind is that the doc could read the numbers, take one look at him, and NOT think there is a secondary problem and just go right to killing his thyroid, lol. That's not how you treat someone.
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Exactly, man.

I know plenty of docs who rely too heavily on numbers, but this just baffles me. Although, I'll say from what I've heard, the VA can be a tough situation to deal with. I'd certainly hope it's not THAT bad, though.
 
dirtwarrior said:
I will let them do further test but nothing drastic until I understand every thing No diabetis though

If I take something to lower cortisol would that help?
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I honestly don't want to suggest anything given the uniqueness of this situation. In theory, it could benefit, but we have no idea what your cortisol levels are.

dirtwarrior said:
Is there any health risks to the levels as they are now
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The TSH being that low is definitely out of the ordinary and I wouldn't want it there, but then again, TSH isn't all that great of an indicator of thyroid activity as much as some think.
 
dirtwarrior said:
You guys are pretty smart. I did look up the connection between thyroid function and cortisol levels. I have more to study.
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Makaveli and myself just have done extensive studying in this area for our own gain and we happened to learn a bit along the way, haha. There is certainly a connection and you're right, you've got a lot to study - even now, I'm still learning and reading a lot more.
 
RoadBlocK said:
Wow. This thread keeps getting better, thanks for sharing some great info.

Question(sorry if it was asked) any thoughts on PES shift (3,3), anyone with a "true" problem thinking about trying it, any body think it will make a diff.
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did you have a "true" problem with thyroids too?
 
MidwestBeast said:
I'm glad to hear everything is working out well for you, man. It sounds like you found a good doc. Definitely keep us updated, and if you don't mind, ask him if he has any colleagues he'd recommend in the Louisville, KY area (doubtful, but worth me asking you lol).
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I will ask him when I go back the end of August for my follow up appointment. It's definitely a big relief having someone I trust and feel comfortable with; I did have to drive an hour and a half to go to him, but it was worth it.
 
Bump for updated links on Wilson's Syndrome/RT3 dominance on Page 1
 
Updated Labs

Just wanted to update anyone who may be following along with what I'm dealing with. Last Friday I had some levels checked and on paper, everything is where I want it -- Reverse T3, TSH and Free T4 all down (low, out of range) and Free T3 in range. In theory, everything is working and it should just be a matter of time before things start working -- key point being, in theory.

These numbers reflect ceasing T4 (Synthroid) in the last week of June and starting T3 on July 1 (25mcg on Day 1, 50mcg from Days 2-7, 75mcg from Days 8-10, 100mcg starting July 11th).

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This is great that you post up your actual labs in this thread man. I mean I know you always keep ME in the loop. But for the guys who don't understand bloods, and the importance of getting them done, what the results look like, what they mean, etc.. This is a really great thread for them to stumble on and hopefully understand the importance of it all and use it to their benefit. HUGE props bro. :bigok:
 
MidwestBeast said:
These numbers reflect ceasing T4 (Synthroid) in the last week of June and starting T3 on July 1 (25mcg on Day 1, 50mcg from Days 2-7, 75mcg from Days 8-10, 100mcg starting July 11th).
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Thanks for posting the update. So where do you go from here? Will you stay on T3 alone or will you add some T4 back in? Ultimately, it is how you feel that is most important. I'm hoping your hypo symptoms have diminished or disappeared altogether.

I find myself very hopeful that as I personally regain more normal thyroid levels I will see some benefits in terms of body composition/muscle gain/strength etc. I would love to hear if you have noticed any difference in the gym or in any of these areas since you've been on the T3.
 
sapentia said:
Thanks for posting the update. So where do you go from here? Will you stay on T3 alone or will you add some T4 back in? Ultimately, it is how you feel that is most important. I'm hoping your hypo symptoms have diminished or disappeared altogether.

I find myself very hopeful that as I personally regain more normal thyroid levels I will see some benefits in terms of body composition/muscle gain/strength etc. I would love to hear if you have noticed any difference in the gym or in any of these areas since you've been on the T3.
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From here, I keep dosing the T3 until I notice/feel any difference(s). In theory, I could add T4 back in, but I'm not going to do that until I feel the T3 working and even then, it's a risk of it converting again. I still feel very much hypo. It doesn't matter what or how much I eat, I still don't see the scale weight go down and the body composition has only gotten worse.

The gym has only gotten worse for me lately, so I don't have much positive news to report in that area at this moment. I'm just playing the waiting game and will await feeling the thyroid meds kick in.
 
Okay now seriously! This is a great thread, it's right up my ally, I can totally relate. It's like pulling teeth to keep the weight off because of hypothyroidism. I've been doing research on the topic myself and a lot of experienced guys on here are telling me to do the Alpha-T2/Erase stack. I've ordered both and I can't wait to see the results. I'm obviously going to decrease my calories and increase my cardio. I'll put up a before and after when I'm done.
 
Ripped_Effect said:
Okay now seriously! This is a great thread, it's right up my ally, I can totally relate. It's like pulling teeth to keep the weight off because of hypothyroidism. I've been doing research on the topic myself and a lot of experienced guys on here are telling me to do the Alpha-T2/Erase stack. I've ordered both and I can't wait to see the results. I'm obviously going to decrease my calories and increase my cardio. I'll put up a before and after when I'm done.
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I've ran alpha t2 with good results. I stacked it with OEP. Let us know how it goes for you man
 
I'm not sure how the other posts weren't showing up when I responded lol. I even refreshed the page. Odd.

I'm glad the info is helpful to you, man. I used AT2 with OEP a little over a year go myself and enjoyed it. That was back when i was just hypo and hadn't had the Reverse T3 problem rear its head.
 
Admin said:
Did you post something and it not show up?
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No, it showed up. There were just 2 posts in between it that weren't there or weren't showing up when I'd posted and after I entered it, they weren't there, either. Odd.

But it's all good :)
 
Most Recommended Hypothyroid Diet

Hypothyroidism is a condition in our thyroid glands where in it is not able to produce the right amounts of T3 hormones. This usually happens when a person does not have enough supply of the minerals and amino acids needed by the thyroid glands. Apart from the medications that we need to take for the treatment of hypothyroid, we also need to follow a proper diet. Doctors always give the most recommended hypothyroid diet their patients can take.

To understand more about this, here is the most recommended hypothyroid diet:

Iodine - this is a very important mineral that is needed by the thyroid glands. It is what makes it produce all the hormones. It helps stimulate the activity inside the gland. Hypothyroid patients are ones who do not eat enough foods that are rich with iodine. That is why during their first diagnosis, high amounts of iodine foods are recommended. We can get this from foods like seaweeds, salt water fishes, and tuna. All the foods we can get from the sea have good amounts of this mineral. You can eat them as an alternative to other meat products like pork.

Vitamin B - people who are undergoing treatments for hypothyroidism needs to take high amounts of vitamin B together with the other minerals. We can get this vitamin from vegetables like seaweed, and land veggies.

Antioxidant - we also need to eat foods that are antioxidants. These are needed to cleanse out the toxins from our body. Thyroid problems can be caused by the pollutions from our environment as well as the foods that we eat which contains toxins. The only way we can flush these out of our body is by taking antioxidants. We normally can get this from eating tomatoes, berries, squash, fresh fruits and veggies. Try to eat them uncooked. Cooked foods lose its antioxidants, so better eat them fresh and raw.

Essential fats - our body also needs fats. But make sure that they are the healthy fats like olive oil and coconut oil. Other oils contain cholesterol that is bad for the health of our thyroid as well as our entire body. Stop eating fried foods. If you like to eat meat or fish, boil them instead.

Supplements - for hypothyroidism, you need to take supplements together with the food diet. L-tyrosine and fish oil is perfect for this kind of thyroidal problem. To get goods amounts of these, you can take them as supplements.

This most recommended hypothyroid diet is the best cure. Even though you are complete with the medications and other types of treatments, you will not easily get well unless you take the proper diet. That is why you need to make sure you follow this most recommended hypothyroid diet to get rid of your thyroid disease.



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I just googled Thyromine as that was the first I'd heard of it. It's certainly interesting, to say the least. I'm definitely not a fan of the fact that the first 2 website hits are websites saying not to buy it lol. However, it deserves me reading about it more and if it's decent, for me personally, it could be something to look into once my RT3 has cleared.
 
MAxximal said:
Most Recommended Hypothyroid Diet

Iodine - this is a very important mineral that is needed by the thyroid glands. It is what makes it produce all the hormones. It helps stimulate the activity inside the gland. Hypothyroid patients are ones who do not eat enough foods that are rich with iodine. That is why during their first diagnosis, high amounts of iodine foods are recommended. We can get this from foods like seaweeds, salt water fishes, and tuna. All the foods we can get from the sea have good amounts of this mineral. You can eat them as an alternative to other meat products like pork.

By Ryan English
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This can be true, however,too much iodine can also cause hypothyroidism. I think too much iodine was one of the factors that contributed to my hypothyroidism.

Hypothyroidism caused by iodine deficiency is discussed in (Ch. 20). It is remarkable that hypothyroidism can also be caused by iodine excess, a condition described in the literature as ‘iodide-induced myxedema'. It can be explained by autoregulatory mechanisms operative in the thyroid gland. Inorganic iodide in excess of daily doses of 500-1000 µg inhibits organification of iodide; this phenomenon is known as the Wolff-Chaikoff effect. Usually an escape from the Wolff-Chaikoff effect occurs after several weeks. An unidentified iodinated product of the organification process (presumably an iodinated lipid) seems to be involved, which inhibits thyroidal iodide transport: consequently, the intrathyroidal iodine concentration falls below the level required for inhibition of organification (1). Failure to escape from the Wolff-Chaikoff effect may produce hypothyroidism and this occurs preferentially in subjects with pre-existent subtle organification defects. Indeed patients with chronic autoimmune thyroiditis, previous subacute or postpartum thyroiditis, or previous radioiodine or surgical therapy are prone to iodide-induced hypothyroidism (2),3.


Also, I would never begin to use thyromine if I had a serious thyroid issues, which I do. It is a typical herbal marketing scam aimed at ignorant people unable to discern the truth. The way they proliferate there product across a wide array of websites is proof enough of an illegitimate product. The reviews for the majority who have tried it are not positive either.
 
Basically any type of thyroid medication outside of straight t3 has the possibility to CAUSE or worsen hypo symptoms through secondary deficiences. Such as cortisol deficiency, or iron deficiency. If your adrenals aren't up to par and you lack the necessary cortisol to support the thyroid medication, you will have plenty of problems with it. Whether that be not converting the t4 into t3 properly, or worse converting that t4 into reverse t3. Same for iron. Your iron saturation percentage should be somewhere between 35-45%.
 
Had my second appointment two days ago with my alternative doctor. When I left he wanted me to stay at 25mcg T4 and 1 1/2 grains of dessicated thyroid. They also took blood to run a thyroid panel. Just got the results today: TSH 0.32, (It was 69 two months ago) T4 Free - 1.6 (High normal range), and T3 Free - 4.7 (upper range limit is 4.2 so I am high). The doc is dropping me to 1 grain of the dessicated thyroid based on these tests results. I am very pleased that my numbers have come in line so quickly.
 
sapentia said:
Had my second appointment two days ago with my alternative doctor. When I left he wanted me to stay at 25mcg T4 and 1 1/2 grains of dessicated thyroid. They also took blood to run a thyroid panel. Just got the results today: TSH 0.32, (It was 69 two months ago) T4 Free - 1.6 (High normal range), and T3 Free - 4.7 (upper range limit is 4.2 so I am high). The doc is dropping me to 1 grain of the dessicated thyroid based on these tests results. I am very pleased that my numbers have come in line so quickly.
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yah....I mean numbers are great. But how do you FEEL?
 
well I will add my story. I have always struggled with weight. I was about 215 at around 10-12% bf. With no change in diet or training I began putting on weight relatively fast. Woke up in the middle of the night with a pulse rate of 252 beats a minute, in a fib(irregular heart rythm), spent 4 days in icu. Doc said nothing wrong after every test they could throw at me and on 5th day heart went back into rythm and slowed down. still put on weight and a year later woke with same heart thing, spent a week in the hospital and nothing found again. Heart doc looked for thyroid problem both times cause he said it can cause this. A few more months went by and I could no longer train due to fatigue and after researching I thought I had genetic disorder, hemachromatosis. Doc began testing and ruled that out but finally saw thyroid was acting up and started me on 50mcg levothyroxine.
This is the part everyone should listen to if you are facing this disorder. Find a doc that is knowledgable and will listen to you and is not stuck on treating just tsh. Next, do not use anything other synthroid if you need t4 meds. DO NOT USE GENERIC. Many may disagree with this but my wife is a pharmacist and says it is no good. Name brand meds are required to keep a much tighter control than generic, and when you deal in thousands of a miligram, you need it exact.
My doc was not very eager to really do much and three years went by on 50 mcg and I continued to gain 5-10lbs a year while training and dieting like an animal. I got him to put me on compounded thyroid(like armor thyroid) although my wife was opposed to it cause she says they can not compound that accurately. If a pharmacist tells you that, LISTEN. And still no change and weight continued. Then my doc died.
I just saw a new doc friday, and he is amazing. He saw my labs and informed me I have to been properly treated all this time. My tsh never went below 3.7 and my old doc said that was good. New doc pulled bloods and started me on 150mcg, and I feel amazing in just 3 days. Labs should be back soon and we are going to meet again. He wants to do more blood to check test and est, he is very proactive and a big fan of trt. Anyways I will keep everyone posted. Even my new doc said he will not right a script for anything other than name brand med when it comes to thyroid med because he feels there is too much room for error
 
bigbeef said:
well I will add my story. I have always struggled with weight. I was about 215 at around 10-12% bf. With no change in diet or training I began putting on weight relatively fast. Woke up in the middle of the night with a pulse rate of 252 beats a minute, in a fib(irregular heart rythm), spent 4 days in icu. Doc said nothing wrong after every test they could throw at me and on 5th day heart went back into rythm and slowed down. still put on weight and a year later woke with same heart thing, spent a week in the hospital and nothing found again. Heart doc looked for thyroid problem both times cause he said it can cause this. A few more months went by and I could no longer train due to fatigue and after researching I thought I had genetic disorder, hemachromatosis. Doc began testing and ruled that out but finally saw thyroid was acting up and started me on 50mcg levothyroxine.
This is the part everyone should listen to if you are facing this disorder. Find a doc that is knowledgable and will listen to you and is not stuck on treating just tsh. Next, do not use anything other synthroid if you need t4 meds. DO NOT USE GENERIC. Many may disagree with this but my wife is a pharmacist and says it is no good. Name brand meds are required to keep a much tighter control than generic, and when you deal in thousands of a miligram, you need it exact.
My doc was not very eager to really do much and three years went by on 50 mcg and I continued to gain 5-10lbs a year while training and dieting like an animal. I got him to put me on compounded thyroid(like armor thyroid) although my wife was opposed to it cause she says they can not compound that accurately. If a pharmacist tells you that, LISTEN. And still no change and weight continued. Then my doc died.
I just saw a new doc friday, and he is amazing. He saw my labs and informed me I have to been properly treated all this time. My tsh never went below 3.7 and my old doc said that was good. New doc pulled bloods and started me on 150mcg, and I feel amazing in just 3 days. Labs should be back soon and we are going to meet again. He wants to do more blood to check test and est, he is very proactive and a big fan of trt. Anyways I will keep everyone posted. Even my new doc said he will not right a script for anything other than name brand med when it comes to thyroid med because he feels there is too much room for error
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That's an amazing story, man.

It sucks that you've gone through all of the years of negatives and a doctor that lived in the "in range" world, but I'm glad to hear you're getting it resolved. I hope you'll definitely update us so we can hear how your progress goes. I know for me, it sucks to watch people barely try and have amazing success when we bust our backs harder than anyone else to make little to no progress.

I'm pulling for you.
 
MidwestBeast said:
That's an amazing story, man.

It sucks that you've gone through all of the years of negatives and a doctor that lived in the "in range" world, but I'm glad to hear you're getting it resolved. I hope you'll definitely update us so we can hear how your progress goes. I know for me, it sucks to watch people barely try and have amazing success when we bust our backs harder than anyone else to make little to no progress.
I'm pulling for you.
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I know exactly what you mean. I train like a beast and get mouse size results. But hopefully this will change things soon.
 
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