The New Product Release Thread

Hyde said:
That’s not really a fair comparison. You are 100% right it would be more effective to raise serum IGF1, but that’s like saying a bottle of testosterone is a better way to raise test levels than an herbal free test booster.

For someone willing to use Mk677, sure. But these products exist because some won’t want the sides. Will it raise bp, make you hold water, raise fasting glucose for some, and it’s not an option for natural bodybuilding.

Just to explain the market for this.
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For many, there are no meaningful sides with MK-677. If rising BG levels is a concern, use berberine--it will completely offset any decrease in insulin sensitivity. Sub-q wafter retention? It goes away after a few weeks. BP? It's minor and transient (goes away after a few weeks). MK-677 is one of the safest and certainly the most effective GH/IGF-1 elevator on the market. A simple MK-677 and berberine combo won't cost much...and will do far more than any of the supps we see here...for FAR less money.
 
Mike Arnold said:
For many, there are no meaningful sides with MK-677. If rising BG levels is a concern, use berberine--it will completely offset any decrease in insulin sensitivity. Sub-q wafter retention? It goes away after a few weeks. BP? It's minor and transient (goes away after a few weeks). MK-677 is one of the safest and certainly the most effective GH/IGF-1 elevator on the market. A simple MK-677 and berberine combo won't cost much...and will do far more than any of the supps we see here...for FAR less money.
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But some people, for a variety of reasons, simply don’t want to take it
 
aaronuconn said:
But some people, for a variety of reasons, simply don’t want to take it
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Yes, but the ONLY effective GH/IGF-1 elevating supps on the market are GH peptides, GH secretagogues, and GH itself. Nothing else works...period. All other OTC products claiming to increase GH/IGF-1 levels lead to marginal and/or short-lived increases at best, essentially rendering them worthless for muscle growth or fat loss. Why pay all that money for something that is the equivalent of 1/2 iu of GH? That won't do jackshit...for anyone. Supp companies have been trying to create an effective OTC GH/IGF-1 elevating product for years...and they have never been successfull. That entire category is worthless. That's the simple truth. So, if someone isn't willing to use what works, they shouldn't be purchasing anything at all.
 
Mike Arnold said:
For many, there are no meaningful sides with MK-677. If rising BG levels is a concern, use berberine--it will completely offset any decrease in insulin sensitivity. Sub-q wafter retention? It goes away after a few weeks. BP? It's minor and transient (goes away after a few weeks). MK-677 is one of the safest and certainly the most effective GH/IGF-1 elevator on the market. A simple MK-677 and berberine combo won't cost much...and will do far more than any of the supps we see here...for FAR less money.
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I was on 500mg Berberine daily, 20mg mk677 nightly. Still saw about a 6-8 point fasting blood glucose elevation in the mornings over 3 months (even while dieting seriously and losing about 25lbs as I recovered from my bicep reattachment). Blood sugar returned to baseline upon cessation, and 8 points isn’t going to make me diabetic certainly, but it was real for me.

Currently experimenting with 800mg Berberine and 10mg Mk the last 3 weeks after several months away from Mk; we’ll see what that yields. I’ve always been around 90-92 fasted and I want to keep it there generally over the longterm.

Mike Arnold said:
Yes, but the ONLY effective GH/IGF-1 elevating supps on the market are GH peptides, GH secretagogues, and GH itself. Nothing else works...period. All other OTC products claiming to increase GH/IGF-1 levels lead to marginal and/or short-lived increases at best, essentially rendering them worthless for muscle growth or fat loss. Why pay all that money for something that is the equivalent of 1/2 iu of GH? That won't do jackshit...for anyone. Supp companies have been trying to create an effective OTC GH/IGF-1 elevating product for years...and they have never been successfull. That entire category is worthless. That's the simple truth. So, if someone isn't willing to use what works, they shouldn't be purchasing anything at all.
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I would agree with that. There’s always been snake oil, because there’s always been buyers. And anyone dropping $200 for that Cellucor product isn’t going to see any meaningful physical changes from the product itself, aside from lightened pockets.
 
Resolve10 said:
With some of the revamping lately, maybe a non-stim/pump formula to go with White Warped? I love Glycergrow, but a comprehensive formula would be cool and I bet solid based on recent additions to the line.
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Glycergrow has finally been discontinued
 
totalpackage said:
It's a shame cause I like the combo of White Warped and GlycerGrow so it's a good thing I
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It works very well, better than it sold it would seem. Never clumps tightly on me either, which is tough to find.
 
VPX Bang Birthday Cake Bash Review

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Top 10 Rankings

1. Cherry Blade Lemonade
2. Sour Heads
3. Frose Rose
4. Cotton Candy
5. Birthday Cake Bash
6. Purple Haze
7. Rainbow Unicorn
8. Bangster Berry
9. Black Cherry Vanilla
10. Purple Guava Pear
 
The Solution said:
VPX Bang Birthday Cake Bash Review

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Top 10 Rankings

1. Cherry Blade Lemonade
2. Sour Heads
3. Frose Rose
4. Cotton Candy
5. Birthday Cake Bash
6. Purple Haze
7. Rainbow Unicorn
8. Bangster Berry
9. Black Cherry Vanilla
10. Purple Guava Pear
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Woah woah woah, purple guava pear is the best flavor
 
The Solution said:
VPX Bang Birthday Cake Bash Review

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Top 10 Rankings

1. Cherry Blade Lemonade
2. Sour Heads
3. Frose Rose
4. Cotton Candy
5. Birthday Cake Bash
6. Purple Haze
7. Rainbow Unicorn
8. Bangster Berry
9. Black Cherry Vanilla
10. Purple Guava Pear
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Appreciate the review. Just subbed to your channel.
 
Raw Dog said:
Excited to try these! Always been a huge cinnamon fan but the old cinnamon quest bars were not even close to the top for me. Hopefully these change that!
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Just grabbed one at my nearest VS thanks to Bob's review (I didn't even know Quest revamped this flavor). I can confirm they're much, much better tasting now.
 
When most brands are dropping the ingredient black stone just adds it in..

Either, they have found evidence that it’s ok to use

Or they don’t care/out of touch with supplements and ingredients

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The Solution said:
This is exactly why I do reviews.... Just trying to be honest and give you my 2 cents.
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Not too many people making such detailed honest reviews. No knock on anyone I have done reviews and logs and have not been able to pin point effectiveness or articulate taste like you do.

Long winded good job Dave man is what I am saying lol
 
Synapsin said:
I should mention glycergrow 2.0 is not discontinued :)
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Oh thank God; that was not my understanding - I was so bummed when I thought I couldn’t get more! The little bit of sodium and potassium in it really helps get everything hydrated & full quickly.
 
Decent pre workout formula outside of the Teacrine. Not sure why companies are still using it when its effects are not felt until 1-2 hours after taking it....
 
soxbsbll05 said:
Decent pre workout formula outside of the Teacrine. Not sure why companies are still using it when its effects are not felt until 1-2 hours after taking it....
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I would say it kicks in within 45-60 minutes, in my experience. It may kick in 20 minutes into training, but most people train much longer than 20 minutes. I like teacrine, particularly when stacked with caffeine and dynamine.
 
Mike Arnold said:
I would say it kicks in within 45-60 minutes, in my experience. It may kick in 20 minutes into training, but most people train much longer than 20 minutes. I like teacrine, particularly when stacked with caffeine and dynamine.
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I like teacrine too. I use it daily stacked with dynamite as my morning pick me up since they work well together.

IMO, I would much rather have the mood boost in a preworkout hit early on with some extended release caffeine to prolong the energy. Everyone is different though!
 
I would like to try it!!!
 
Do people really need 425mg of caffeine to actually workout (325mg Caffeine + 100mg DiCaffeine Malate)?
If so I truly question their sole reason for working out or mental fortitude in the first place.
It is like its a race to see who can make the larger stim bomb now and days.
 
I agree 200mg is my max of caffine. Don't mind some E or Y tossed in. But most preworkouts have become too high for me.
 
Darkside pre looks pretty decent still at one scoop and good balance with caffeine. Agreed on the Teacrine though, not sure why it's still used really at all anymore.
 
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soxbsbll05 said:
I like teacrine too. I use it daily stacked with dynamite as my morning pick me up since they work well together.

IMO, I would much rather have the mood boost in a preworkout hit early on with some extended release caffeine to prolong the energy. Everyone is different though!
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Man, you must have some crazy tolerance if your morning pick me up starts with DYNAMITE 🧨 haha
 
The Solution said:
Do people really need 425mg of caffeine to actually workout (325mg Caffeine + 100mg DiCaffeine Malate)?
If so I truly question their sole reason for working out or mental fortitude in the first place.
It is like its a race to see who can make the larger stim bomb now and days.
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Know one:

Supplement companies: WE NEED MORE CAFFEINE IN OUR PRODUCTS, EVEN THE SLEEP FORMULAS!!
 
The Solution said:
Do people really need 425mg of caffeine to actually workout (325mg Caffeine + 100mg DiCaffeine Malate)?
If so I truly question their sole reason for working out or mental fortitude in the first place.
It is like its a race to see who can make the larger stim bomb now and days.
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Know one:

Supplement companies: WE NEED MORE CAFFEINE IN OUR PRODUCTS, EVEN THE SLEEP FORMULAS!!
 
The Solution said:
Do people really need 425mg of caffeine to actually workout (325mg Caffeine + 100mg DiCaffeine Malate)?
If so I truly question their sole reason for working out or mental fortitude in the first place.
It is like its a race to see who can make the larger stim bomb now and days.
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I will say some of us need that much to actually feel the caffeine. Two weeks zero stims did nothing to drop my tolerance, 200mg solo still does nothing for me. That said when combining with other stims I agree it is a bit excessive. I used to love the stim bombs, but now that I workout in the evenings I rarely get the chance to use them. Still curious to see what’s in Thermagize xt though, really enjoyed the samples I had
 
The Solution said:
Do people really need 425mg of caffeine to actually workout (325mg Caffeine + 100mg DiCaffeine Malate)?
If so I truly question their sole reason for working out or mental fortitude in the first place.
It is like its a race to see who can make the larger stim bomb now and days.
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Think it’s just a mindset that their pre-workout needs to blow people away. Like that first time you had PWO feeling. But more caffeine is just lazy formula. I like around 200 mg from a pre and then can still drink a Diet Coke on the commute and some tea at work. That holds me over for the morning fast and until early afternoon lunch
 
Upcoming SNS Thermagize XT (high stim fat burner - 1 cap dosage)
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