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The New Product Release Thread

The Solution said:
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For anyone interested in knowing a little bit more of the math, given that the label lists 250mg of Vitamin C, that means there should be 250mg ascorbic acid in the blend, which makes sense, as it is listed just above the 200mg caffeine. Given the 450mg between the two, that means there's 2384mg (of the 2834mg total) for the remaining ingredients. If we assume that there is negligible quantities of ingredients below the caffeine (which I am in no way saying there is, I'm just using it as a way to gauge the maximum possible doses of ingredients at the top end of the blend), we're left with just under 2.4g for a combination of ALCAR, Taurine, Choline Bitartrate, and Tyrosine. I'm not sure how the doses of each are distributed, but it's an average of just under 600mg for each one, although some could have more or less than that. Now, I am in no way making comments, positive or negative, about the formula, just doing some objective math. I'm pretty sure my math is correct.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
For anyone interested in knowing a little bit more of the math, given that the label lists 250mg of Vitamin C, that means there should be 250mg ascorbic acid in the blend, which makes sense, as it is listed just above the 200mg caffeine. Given the 450mg between the two, that means there's 2384mg (of the 2834mg total) for the remaining ingredients. If we assume that there is negligible quantities of ingredients below the caffeine (which I am in no way saying there is, I'm just using it as a way to gauge the maximum possible doses of ingredients at the top end of the blend), we're left with just under 2.4g for a combination of ALCAR, Taurine, Choline Bitartrate, and Tyrosine. I'm not sure how the doses of each are distributed, but it's an average of just under 600mg for each one, although some could have more or less than that. Now, I am in no way making comments, positive or negative, about the formula, just doing some objective math. I'm pretty sure my math is correct.
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To go a little father, based on the math above and the descending order of dose used in prop blends, we can calculate the maximum dose of each of the first four ingredients (note that the maximum dose for all ingredients can not be achieved at once, as if the dose of one ingredient is increased, other(s) have to be decreased):

ALCAR: Since we have a maximum of 2384mg between the 4 ingredients, and ALCAR is first, it is the highest dosed (or equally highest dosed) ingredient. Since there seems to be 250mg Vitamin C, and three other ingredients (besides ALCAR) come before it, they should each have at least 250mg each, or at least 750mg between them. That leaves 1634mg for ALCAR at the maximum.

Taurine: Using similar logic, except assuming that you need to have an equal (or greater), dose of ALCAR as taurine, and at leas 250mg each of choline and tyrosine, you're left with 1884mg between ALCAR and taurine, of which no more than half, or 942mg, can be taurine.

Choline Bitartrate: 2384mg, minus 250mg minimum for tyrosine leaves a maximum of 2134mg for ALCAR, taurine, and choline, of which no more than 1/3, or ~711mg can be choline bitartrate.

Tyrosine: 2384mg, of which no more than 1/4, or 596mg, can be tyrosine.

I think the math is accurate, but it's late.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
To go a little father, based on the math above and the descending order of dose used in prop blends, we can calculate the maximum dose of each of the first four ingredients (note that the maximum dose for all ingredients can not be achieved at once, as if the dose of one ingredient is increased, other(s) have to be decreased):

ALCAR: Since we have a maximum of 2384mg between the 4 ingredients, and ALCAR is first, it is the highest dosed (or equally highest dosed) ingredient. Since there seems to be 250mg Vitamin C, and three other ingredients (besides ALCAR) come before it, they should each have at least 250mg each, or at least 750mg between them. That leaves 1634mg for ALCAR at the maximum.

Taurine: Using similar logic, except assuming that you need to have an equal (or greater), dose of ALCAR as taurine, and at leas 250mg each of choline and tyrosine, you're left with 1884mg between ALCAR and taurine, of which no more than half, or 942mg, can be taurine.

Choline Bitartrate: 2384mg, minus 250mg minimum for tyrosine leaves a maximum of 2134mg for ALCAR, taurine, and choline, of which no more than 1/3, or ~711mg can be choline bitartrate.

Tyrosine: 2384mg, of which no more than 1/4, or 596mg, can be tyrosine.

I think the math is accurate, but it's late.
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Man seriously, the guys just started up a supp company and you are posting sh1t like this...you can do this to 95% of other brands products. Whats ya point?? That hasnt already been made 50 times in your previous post..
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Man seriously, the guys just started up a supp company and you are posting sh1t like this...you can do this to 95% of other brands products. Whats ya point?? That hasnt already been made 50 times in your previous post..
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I'm just helping to educate people I suppose. It's a valuable skill to be able to use when looking at product labels IMO. Again, I am not saying that there's anything wrong with it by any means, and it's likely that anything that was intended to be "protected" by the prop blend is likely the stimulants and similar ingredients dosed below the disclosed amount of caffeine, so I won't bother figuring those out. I'm not knocking the product at all, but since some people seemed wary/curious/interested in the prop blend, I figured I'd do some math. Sorry if I offended anyone or lead anyone to believe I was criticizing the product, as those were in no way my intentions.
 
MonteCedillo said:
If you only knew the dosing I designed this to. I'd spill the beans but then there would be a clone on the market in no time flat. That's the only reason it's a prop blend. Trust me, I'm not a fan of blends but we had to protect the formula. We are just starting up, so the big boys could easily put out something quick and reach their audiences faster than us newbies with limited reach. If you would like to try it, Id be glad to send you some. A full scoop has stim junkies cracked out. Half a scoop is money for most.

Pm your address and I'll send you a jar to try. Would love to see a log come out of this too for results.
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Ummm...I was the one who showed interest in the product yet you want to send someone a free tub who took a dump on it right out of the gate? :spankme:
 
muscleupcrohn said:
To go a little father, based on the math above and the descending order of dose used in prop blends, we can calculate the maximum dose of each of the first four ingredients (note that the maximum dose for all ingredients can not be achieved at once, as if the dose of one ingredient is increased, other(s) have to be decreased):

ALCAR: Since we have a maximum of 2384mg between the 4 ingredients, and ALCAR is first, it is the highest dosed (or equally highest dosed) ingredient. Since there seems to be 250mg Vitamin C, and three other ingredients (besides ALCAR) come before it, they should each have at least 250mg each, or at least 750mg between them. That leaves 1634mg for ALCAR at the maximum.

Taurine: Using similar logic, except assuming that you need to have an equal (or greater), dose of ALCAR as taurine, and at leas 250mg each of choline and tyrosine, you're left with 1884mg between ALCAR and taurine, of which no more than half, or 942mg, can be taurine.

Choline Bitartrate: 2384mg, minus 250mg minimum for tyrosine leaves a maximum of 2134mg for ALCAR, taurine, and choline, of which no more than 1/3, or ~711mg can be choline bitartrate.

Tyrosine: 2384mg, of which no more than 1/4, or 596mg, can be tyrosine.

I think the math is accurate, but it's late.
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Whats funny is that nobody has taken the time to use the doses of the electrolytes to figure out how much of the compound is in the formula and yet they say its under dosed. You can get an idea of where the ingredients are dosed just by knowing a little bit about compound you are putting in your body plus the data given in the supplements facts DV content.

Example. Data given.... 20mg of sodium... the compound is listed as sodium chloride. Sodium is just under 40% of the molecular weight of Sodium Chloride. Do the math. Boom. You now know the dosage of sodium chloride so the ingredients listed before that are greater than sodium chloride and the ingredients listed further down the list are dosed lower. Use that as a reference point along with the given 200mg of Caffeine. Formulate a hypothesis. Test your hypothesis (try the product before knocking it). Evaluate.

This formula was carefully thought out and we've tested so many different pilots before what we launched. It's been 3 years in the making. The manufacturers all told us we couldn't do something like this because it was too hard to flavor with the efficacious doses we used of many different ingredients. We did it anyways and nailed the flavor. Think orange pez.

It's been a lot of fun bringing this to life.
 
Misfit28 said:
It looks like crap IMO lol. That prop blend looks pretty bad and underdosed.

OL Bloodshr3d beats that by a mile.
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Agreed that's a lot crap crammed into a massive prop blend.

Don't agree with or see the need for prop blends anymore when there are so many standouts available that don't hide behind prop blends
 
MonteCedillo said:
Whats funny is that nobody has taken the time to use the doses of the electrolytes to figure out how much of the compound is in the formula and yet they say its under dosed. You can get an idea of where the ingredients are dosed just by knowing a little bit about compound you are putting in your body plus the data given in the supplements facts DV content.

Example. Data given.... 20mg of sodium... the compound is listed as sodium chloride. Sodium is just under 40% of the molecular weight of Sodium Chloride. Do the math. Boom. You now know the dosage of sodium chloride so the ingredients listed before that are greater than sodium chloride and the ingredients listed further down the list are dosed lower. Use that as a reference point along with the given 200mg of Caffeine. Formulate a hypothesis. Test your hypothesis (try the product before knocking it). Evaluate.

This formula was carefully thought out and we've tested so many different pilots before what we launched. It's been 3 years in the making. The manufacturers all told us we couldn't do something like this because it was too hard to flavor with the efficacious doses we used of many different ingredients. We did it anyways and nailed the flavor. Think orange pez.

It's been a of fun bringing this to life.
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Yep, I was thinking just that in my head! I haven't done the math, but by eyeballing it, it seems very possible that a lot of it is well dosed and would produce a strong stimulant effect. There are some nice ingredients there.
 
The Solution said:
If its not of your interest. just scroll past it and ignore it, and pay attention to the things you want to.
Sure it may be a new protein bar, it may be a new flavor, it may be a new product, that is the whole point of the new product release thread. Its a new release therefore its brought up.
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If it was only for the new flavor releases, there will be no problem.
However, what happens is that for each new flavor, people talk about their preferences through many pages.
"I like this way", "seriously? I like this other way" "You 2 are dumb, I prefer..."
Man, that's really really boring. People just talked for a whole page about the NAME of a flavor...
Yeah, we could scroll through it, but you need to read a bit to discover it is again about preferences.

But, yeah, leave it like that, whatever.
We could just follow a better road for everyone, but it seems impossible to convince the ones who are not bored to be sensible for those who are...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Interested to see what the Overtraining Solution is, but am I the only one who wasn't very impressed with Mental Jewels? 150mg of 50% Alpha-GPC is only 75mg, and 50mg of 50% PS is only 25mg.

I do like their labels though, haha.
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Is it shocking that 99% of these "noot" products are severely underdosed/crap lol? Just seeing the name Mike Rashid associated with this is enough to know its garbage.
 
For those wondering about Radiate... I took some today, and MY god its strong.

Then again My stim tolerance is no where near you guys...



Radiate Fat burner Review

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Taste

Orange Candy - The flavor orange candy is unique. Not only do you get a bold tasting orange, it has a sweet aftertaste. Think about a sugary compliment to tang, but with a bold orange. The combination of the dense flavor and sweet aftertaste leave a long and lingering flavor. This is very refreshing and it is very enjoyable to drink. I even found that diluted the flavor was pretty strong. For those who want a very strong orange kick and have a sweet aftertaste this will be a homerun. I really enjoyed this product and the flavor.

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Mixability

The powder is extremly fine, and mixes with ease. I used 8/10/12 oz of water when mixing this supplement and was a breeze. This should work very easy in a blender bottle or even a regular shaker bottle.

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Formula

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One I am not a big fan of prop blends but includes ~3g of
L-Carnatine (Small aid in fat burning)
Choline (Nootropic)
Caffeine (200mg) For the stim
DMHA (Very powerful Stim)
L-Theanine (Nootropic/Focus)
Theobromine (For Focus/Mood enhancement)
Noopept (Nootropic / Focus Enhancement)
Alpha Yohimbine (Fat Burning/Stubborn Fat Inclusion)

The Owner even stated:
“You can get an idea of where the ingredients are dosed just by knowing a little bit about compound you are putting in your body plus the data given in the supplements facts DV content.

Example. Data given.... 20mg of sodium... the compound is listed as sodium chloride. Sodium is just under 40% of the molecular weight of Sodium Chloride. Do the math. Boom. You now know the dosage of sodium chloride so the ingredients listed before that are greater than sodium chloride and the ingredients listed further down the list are dosed lower. Use that as a reference point along with the given 200mg of Caffeine. Formulate a hypothesis. Test your hypothesis (try the product before knocking it). Evaluate.

This formula was carefully thought out and we've tested so many different pilots before what we launched. It's been 3 years in the making.
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Effects

For those who are not stim tolerant this may be very strong. 200mg of caffeine on paper is actually a lot stronger due to the blend of nootropics and DMHA. If you have never had DMHA it takes the caffeine to another level and helps enhance the stimulant effect. What Radiate gives you is a very prolonged focus effect from all the nootropics included. When you take the product you will see the energy span from 60 minutes all the way upward to 2 hours. For myself this lasted a very long time and stremed very strong into the post-workout period. For myself this was a little too strong, I am not a guy who uses stims often, but will have to half scoop or single scoop of a very hard workout day. Start low and build up, the amount of extra's added in here for focus/mood enhancement really power this product to pack a punch.

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The Solution said:
Just got this in:

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I mean no did-respect But you are lean as heck, I don't think you need this, but I am looking forward to your review. I on the other hand need it BAD!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
I mean no did-respect But you are lean as heck, I don't think you need this, but I am looking forward to your review. I on the other hand need it BAD!!
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I chose to review the product when the owner of the company reaches out to me to review the product and give my 2 cents. The least I can do for him and his kind effort in sending me the product on his dime.

Read the post above.. I already reviewed it bud.
 
The Solution said:
I chose to review the product when the owner of the company reaches out to me to review the product and give my 2 cents. The least I can do for him and his kind effort in sending me the product on his dime.

Read the post above.. I already reviewed it bud.
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I looked at the time line I think we were both posting at the same time. This sound like a product I should try, I think it would Kick Butt before my AM Cardio !!! As always thanks for a good honest review !
 
Rocket3015 said:
I looked at the time line I think we were both posting at the same time. This sound like a product I should try, I think it would Kick Butt before my AM Cardio !!! As always thanks for a good honest review !
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Well MonteCedillo can give you the specs on where to pick it up. Especially because its 20$ a tub right now on intro sale. Very hard to pass up.
 
Order complete

Order #4370

Status: Paid
 
MonteCedillo said:
BOOM! Thank you for the support!

I'm actually already on the way to the post office to deliver orders. I'll get yours added to the drop off. You will get a tracking number via email.
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Now That Is Service !!
 
Radiate is very strong and great pre workout. I took it yesterday and currently on an off week from the gym but man I was flying around my shop and super focused, felt the thermogenic effects and no crash what so ever.
 
The Solution said:
Core PWO updated

Added carb 10 velositol, and cluster dextrins
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Still can't post images, so had to take the supplement facts out of the quote, but 2g of carbs and 20kcal, some of which are from fat?

It added Carb10 and cluster dextrins, and now it has 2g of carbs? Why even bother with it if it's so little...?
 
VO2Maxima said:
Still can't post images, so had to take the supplement facts out of the quote, but 2g of carbs and 20kcal, some of which are from fat?

It added Carb10 and cluster dextrins, and now it has 2g of carbs? Why even bother with it if it's so little...?
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They posted the joint product profile in error.
 
Go away for 2 minutes and now everyones talking about joint products...smh

CAN WE GET BACK TO THE PROTEIN BARS ALREADY?!?!?!



lololololol :)
 
Lol I totally didn't read below the beginning part, got down to Total Carbohydrates and was too busy being like "why" to get any farther. Haha my bad.
 
Robert5891 said:
I think Stack3d screwed up b/c that's literally the exact same label for CORE FLEX POWDER:

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Then blame Stack3d. Don't blame me.
Thats why i included the link as well

The finally updated it

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The brand has actually swapped the previous version’s extra three features for two, dropping BCAAs, taurine, and glutamine, for 5g of leucine and 2g of the protein synthesis enhancer we’re seeing more and more of, Velositol. The entire Core PWO combination has still been designed to do one thing and that is boost recovery straight after your workout.
 
The Solution said:
Then blame Stack3d. Don't blame me.
Thats why i included the link as well

The finally updated it

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The brand has actually swapped the previous version’s extra three features for two, dropping BCAAs, taurine, and glutamine, for 5g of leucine and 2g of the protein synthesis enhancer we’re seeing more and more of, Velositol. The entire Core PWO combination has still been designed to do one thing and that is boost recovery straight after your workout.
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Did I say I blamed you...NO! Don't be so touchy...I said in the post Stack3d had the mess up.
 
The Solution said:
Then blame Stack3d. Don't blame me.
Thats why i included the link as well

The finally updated it

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The brand has actually swapped the previous version’s extra three features for two, dropping BCAAs, taurine, and glutamine, for 5g of leucine and 2g of the protein synthesis enhancer we’re seeing more and more of, Velositol. The entire Core PWO combination has still been designed to do one thing and that is boost recovery straight after your workout.
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Bro.....
He literally said "I think stack3d screwed up."

I don't think you are Stack3d. Cmon man.
 
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