The New Product Release Thread

VaughnTrue said:
Guys the andros are very expensive when compared to average supplements. Do the math yourself simply on the raws(not counting packaging/manufacturing/delivery systems/marketing etc etc etc).

One user on here claimed he could get 1andro raws for ~3,700/kg his price from China. Let's say supp companies can reduce that by 30% making it So we're talking about ~$2500/kg.

110mg/tab x 60 = 6.6g

$2500/1000g = $2.5/g
$2.5 x 6.6 = $16.50 in ONLY raws, and only that ONE ingredient.

Want to add in 50mg 6,7 DBH per tab? Tack on another $2-$3/unit, giving you $18.50-$19.50 before getting to bottle/label/delivery/etc etc etc.

You're EASILY at $25/unit cost before it even leaves your warehouse.

Then your distributor needs to make their 30-40% profit.

Then the retailer they sell it to wants to make their 40-50% profit.


How can ANYONE on here really suggest these aren't incredibly expensive to produce?
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come on man, i get the numbers but your being a little facetious here

retailer wants to make 40-50 % profit????
Distributor gets a 30-40% profit??

if that is the case, you are so far in the red, you would be bankrupt before the product arrived at your dist facility.

I think those are exaggerated figures right? If not, someone needs to be fired

I get your point, not arguing here,
 
Yes retailers NEED to make 40% minimum, and no physical retailer will generally take it that low, most mom and pop shops want 50-60% margin, its kinda ridiculous
 
Adizzle1 said:
Yes retailers NEED to make 40% minimum, and no physical retailer will generally take it that low, most mom and pop shops want 50-60% margin, its kinda ridiculous
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per product or total line?

again, this is a general convo and not an argument,( and thanks for the info) Im not saying V is wrong, but based on some random numbers using the above as ex- at 25. with a 40% loss to retailers that puts you at about 15.00 add on the distributors and well do the math and its painful!

then this brings me to the next ? of supplementmatics (lol) that profit margin is so low it would seem almost advantageous for companies to strictly sell the product on the home page (their site). why even bother offering to any other place if the profit margin is so low?
 
Woody said:
Peanut butter pie would be awesome.
Too many C&C IMO.
Carrot cake, PB Pie, German Chocabetes Cake, Cobblers are all winners.
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There are a lot of CnC, but not a lot of great CnC's.
Peanut Butter Cookie Dough would be epic
Oreo Cream
German Chocolate Cookie
White Chocolate Cookie

all would be epic.
 
1Fast400 said:
Lots of weird numbers being thrown around here.
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lmao- indeed- ignore the math bro- just bsing back and forth and numbers here are examples only
 
sorry all, wont take up anymore of this thread with this- interesting topic but not for this thread- appreciate the feed back from everyone
 
Soon as I saw the proposed markups I just kind of shrugged it off and ignored this thread a while

But that's just me
 
Driven2lift said:
Soon as I saw the proposed markups I just kind of shrugged it off and ignored this thread a while

But that's just me
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lol- well its over so welcome back- how about that peanut butter toffee bar? mmm good
 
Recon to release its new supplement:
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To help it deliver on those claims the brand has packed Warhead with a 300mg proprietary blend made up of three different ingredients. The product’s three non-transparent features are l-dopa, androst-3,5-diene-7,17-dione and laxogenin.
 
"To help it deliver on those claims the brand has packed Warhead with a 300mg proptrietary..."

Does not compute.
Lol

Not proving any claims that way

At least disclose the L-Dopa so we know how much of the other actives might potentially be there
 
Driven2lift said:
"To help it deliver on those claims the brand has packed Warhead with a 300mg proptrietary..."

Does not compute.
Lol

Not proving any claims that way

At least disclose the L-Dopa so we know how much of the other actives might potentially be there
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Yeah this is a head scratcher
 
Very much looking forward to the Cellucor protein bars though

It said they were in store already did anyone grab one?
 
Driven2lift said:
Very much looking forward to the Cellucor protein bars though

It said they were in store already did anyone grab one?
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now that just made me hungry- ill drive you if buy?
 
The Solution said:
Recon to release its new supplement:
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To help it deliver on those claims the brand has packed Warhead with a 300mg proprietary blend made up of three different ingredients. The product’s three non-transparent features are l-dopa, androst-3,5-diene-7,17-dione and laxogenin.
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I'd guess 175, 75, 50 or 200, 50, 50.
 
smith_69 said:
come on man, i get the numbers but your being a little facetious here

retailer wants to make 40-50 % profit????
Distributor gets a 30-40% profit??

if that is the case, you are so far in the red, you would be bankrupt before the product arrived at your dist facility.

I think those are exaggerated figures right? If not, someone needs to be fired

I get your point, not arguing here,
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Contact some retailers. If they don't make at LEAST 40 points(except protein), they're not selling the product.

Then call distributors like Europa, Lonestar, Musclefoods, and DNA. If they don't make at least 30 points, they'll laugh you right out of the meeting room.

I wish I was joking.
 
Driven2lift said:
"To help it deliver on those claims the brand has packed Warhead with a 300mg proptrietary..."

Does not compute.
Lol

Not proving any claims that way

At least disclose the L-Dopa so we know how much of the other actives might potentially be there
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You don t understand it is a propriety blend so they don't get copy cat on there innovation ;)
 
smith_69 said:
per product or total line?

again, this is a general convo and not an argument,( and thanks for the info) Im not saying V is wrong, but based on some random numbers using the above as ex- at 25. with a 40% loss to retailers that puts you at about 15.00 add on the distributors and well do the math and its painful!

then this brings me to the next ? of supplementmatics (lol) that profit margin is so low it would seem almost advantageous for companies to strictly sell the product on the home page (their site). why even bother offering to any other place if the profit margin is so low?
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Why do you think you're seeing companies like black stone removing themselves from numerous retailers and instead going to the direct model?
 
Woody said:
Are you sure BS is removing themselves and not companies refusing to carry them?
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I could be wrong, however from everything I have heard it was a calculated business decision. Not sure if I think it's a good idea or not, but I have no reason to not believe the idea as of yet
 
Woody said:
Are you sure BS is removing themselves and not companies refusing to carry them?
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they are coming out with new products and still around-

has that lawsuit been finalized yet?
 
smith_69 said:
they are coming out with new products and still around-

has that lawsuit been finalized yet?
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Is anyone still buying their crap after how much bunk product they put on the market?
 
booneman77 said:
Is anyone still buying their crap after how much bunk product they put on the market?
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good ? there is a new video with the BS science guy explaining the new product. hes using a white board and as he is explaining it, you get the feeling he is just as confused as the person who is watching it. Im not a scientist by any means and after a minute into it, I had the Homer Simpson monkey running around in my head thing going on. Those 2 BJ and AS can take 1+1 =2 and turn it into some logic Spock wouldn't understand
 
smith_69 said:
good ? there is a new video with the BS science guy explaining the new product. hes using a white board and as he is explaining it, you get the feeling he is just as confused as the person who is watching it. Im not a scientist by any means and after a minute into it, I had the Homer Simpson monkey running around in my head thing going on. Those 2 BJ and AS can take 1+1 =2 and turn it into some logic Spock wouldn't understand
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doughnuts.....
 
smith_69 said:
good ? there is a new video with the BS science guy explaining the new product. hes using a white board and as he is explaining it, you get the feeling he is just as confused as the person who is watching it. Im not a scientist by any means and after a minute into it, I had the Homer Simpson monkey running around in my head thing going on. Those 2 BJ and AS can take 1+1 =2 and turn it into some logic Spock wouldn't understand
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Haha I always feel like I killed off brain cells when I watch either of them talk... It's worse than drugs because you don't even get high or anything. Just stupider ;)
 
thebigt said:
doughnuts.....
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64 slices of American Cheese-

how about when he goes to the gym and eats everything in bar form- so lmao he crams 2 lbs of spaghetti into a grinder then eats it. pics up the phone and says "hospital please" lmao
 
VaughnTrue said:
I could be wrong, however from everything I have heard it was a calculated business decision. Not sure if I think it's a good idea or not, but I have no reason to not believe the idea as of yet
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From there last video and there ex forum reps that's exactly what he is doing. Want to be like shredz and just do there store and Instagram
 
VaughnTrue said:
One user on here claimed he could get 1andro raws for ~3,700/kg his price from China.
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Never said China. That was consumer retail from a company represented on AM. Mike Matthews owns Legion Supplements, and talks all the time about what stuff actually costs - Quality protein is a loss leader to get you loyal and pay 5x-10x on the $5 Pre-Workouts, etc... He doesn't deal in any PEDs however. You can say it's BS, but until anyone posts their OEM raw supply invoices, we're ALL talking sh*t. It's a 60 Billion/Year industry - "but we barely make any money"... ***Note - I'm Capitalistic as all get out - I mfg and sell products too... but I don't "cry poor" when I discuss my products with my customers. What kills the Small Business bottom line: F'n TAXES.
 
booneman77 said:
Is anyone still buying their crap after how much bunk product they put on the market?
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Aren't they just a Boutique company? Who's actually supplying/putting what in the caps? I hear 50/50 on BSL quality (which I guess is bad, LOL) but I just used 1 cap of PCT IV (for the 2866) for 8 weeks (along with 10mg OL) and did well. But I'll not be a future customer, due to most of the stuff already mentioned.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Never said China. That was consumer retail from a company represented on AM. Mike Matthews owns Legion Supplements, and talks all the time about what stuff actually costs - Quality protein is a loss leader to get you loyal and pay 5x-10x on the $5 Pre-Workouts, etc... He doesn't deal in any PEDs however. You can say it's BS, but until anyone posts their OEM raw supply invoices, we're ALL talking sh*t. It's a 60 Billion/Year industry - "but we barely make any money"... ***Note - I'm Capitalistic as all get out - I mfg and sell products too... but I don't "cry poor" when I discuss my products with my customers. What kills the Small Business bottom line: F'n TAXES.
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I am in no way saying "we don't make any money", we wouldn't sell them if we didnt. We have them at a price point so we DO make money, which is why they are expensive.

If these products cost us $10 to manufacture/produce, their price to consumers would be cheaper.
 
VaughnTrue said:
If these products cost us $10 to manufacture/produce, their price to consumers would be cheaper.
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The price is what the market will bear/what the consumer is willing to pay. Barring collusion (which I believe occurs to some extent in the supp industry) a company will charge as much as it can, no matter what it's OEM cost is, as long as the "numbers" are there for the business. I know that no HT product is this way, but are you saying there isn't a TON of PrWO's out there that sell for ~$40 but only cost about ~$4 in Creatine, BA, Betaine etc... not to mention prop blended so they can list a bunch of other stuff at 0.00001mcg's each? :)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The price is what the market will bear/what the consumer is willing to pay. Barring collusion (which I believe occurs to some extent in the supp industry) a company will charge as much as it can, no matter what it's OEM cost is, as long as the "numbers" are there for the business. I know that no HT product is this way, but are you saying there isn't a TON of PrWO's out there that sell for ~$40 but only cost about ~$4 in Creatine, BA, Betaine etc... not to mention prop blended so they can list a bunch of other stuff at 0.00001mcg's each? :)
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Collusion is interesting. If HT owns the patents and manufactures every Andro, they technically set the price.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The price is what the market will bear/what the consumer is willing to pay. Barring collusion (which I believe occurs to some extent in the supp industry) a company will charge as much as it can, no matter what it's OEM cost is, as long as the "numbers" are there for the business. I know that no HT product is this way, but are you saying there isn't a TON of PrWO's out there that sell for ~$40 but only cost about ~$4 in Creatine, BA, Betaine etc... not to mention prop blended so they can list a bunch of other stuff at 0.00001mcg's each? :)
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oh this ABSOLUTELY happens. The majority of pre-workouts run off of insanely high margins.
 
VaughnTrue said:
oh this ABSOLUTELY happens. The majority of pre-workouts run off of insanely high margins.
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aren't a lot of the big name pre-workouts around like 5-10$ to make and sell around 30$?
Correct me if wrong here VT
This would be my assumption to believe this is why every company wants to release pre-workouts for high ratio/profit margins.
 
The Solution said:
aren't a lot of the big name pre-workouts around like 5-10$ to make and sell around 30$?
Correct me if wrong here VT
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majority of the top top top preworkouts are in that price category, with most being closer to $5 I would assume based on the formulas
 
1Fast400 said:
Must........not........respond....
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just dont name a company/product, and you're in the clear.


im not saying any company is innocent of this. you have to offset low profit margin products somehow, and pre-workouts are the go to for most.
 
Guys, lets get back to new products in this thread. If you want to talk supplement company economics, please create a separate thread. Thanks.
 
Admin said:
Guys, lets get back to new products in this thread. If you want to talk supplement company economics, please create a separate thread. Thanks.
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Boooooooooooooooooo :D I was going to be nice, was just going to describe actual industry dynamics.
 
The Solution said:
Hyde v3 in the works
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can only imagine what or how much stims will be added to the previous versions.
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Wait what? Didn't they literally just release a new formulation of the second Hyde?
 
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