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350mg......





L-theanine. Hell no.
the high Theanine dose works well for me with the Supreme formula since it has 200mg of dmha and Eria BUT there is no reason is should be this high with this new formula....
 
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Loaded and unique Glucose Disposal Agent from KetoGenics, KetoShop
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Is there really a point to a gda if you’re keto tho? If you’re eating carbs, you’re either doing it for a refeed or messing up ha
Yes for those of us who follow a cyclical ketogenic diet it's absolutely amazing. Also me personally I do it that way and I also take maybe half a dose before meals even on the strict keto days to speed up re-entry into ketosis and just for overall health benefits
...but for the carb ups it's phenomenal
 
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Almost looks like a part burner, part suppressant, and part gda? Heard any feedback?
Everyone loves it. 500 units sold over 3 days last weekend. Some put feedback on the product page. Glucosatrol (dot com)
 
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the high Theanine dose works well for me with the Supreme formula since it has 200mg of dmha and Eria BUT there is no reason is should be this high with this new formula....
Half of AM can formulate better than half of the supplement industry.
 
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Whats the issue with that much theanine? Relaxes you too much?
Lowers how hard caffeine hits (Slow release), many people find it makes them drowsy and takes away from the pre-workout working to its full potential. Higher levels of Theanine give me less performance/output than those that have lower or none. I personally try to opt for one without it as they tend to hit harder
 
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Nutrabio updates:

NY Fruit punch coming to alpha EAA
Pistachio, orange cream, and peach cobbler coming to their protein line

all in the near future or early 2020
Peach Cobbler, I'm in !!!! Yum. I hope they nail that flavor !!
 
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Peach Cobber was always one of my desserts my Mom used to make me. I miss my Mom !!
 
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This really is loaded with useful doses. Price dependent of course, but as someone who eats a lot of carbs and is in no way keto, I would definitely use this.
Indeed! And Glucosatrol is priced well considering many other GDA's with half the ingredients are priced the same or more! And there is always a discount code floating around.
 
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Lowers how hard caffeine hits (Slow release), many people find it makes them drowsy and takes away from the pre-workout working to its full potential. Higher levels of Theanine give me less performance/output than those that have lower or none. I personally try to opt for one without it as they tend to hit harder
Interesting ...cant say I've noticed negative when taken pre workout then again I've never taken more than 200mg pre but do take 400 to 600mg at night with my pre bed concoction.
 
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Lowers how hard caffeine hits (Slow release), many people find it makes them drowsy and takes away from the pre-workout working to its full potential. Higher levels of Theanine give me less performance/output than those that have lower or none. I personally try to opt for one without it as they tend to hit harder
Exactly, it puts me to sleep 4-6hrs later. I was discussing it with a company owner, and he said 'impossible, that's not how it works'. Lol, ok bro. I know many people who have the same reaction.
 
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Interesting ...cant say I've noticed negative when taken pre workout then again I've never taken more than 200mg pre but do take 400 to 600mg at night with my pre bed concoction.
That's the only time I'm ok with l-theanine. It's actually very useful pre-bed, and can counter any residual caffeine in the system from earlier in the day, and make sleep easier/better.
 
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Exactly, it puts me to sleep 4-6hrs later. I was discussing it with a company owner, and he said 'impossible, that's not how it works'. Lol, ok bro. I know many people who have the same reaction.
He's saying it's not possible for theanine to reduce the perceived energy you get from caffeine, or it's not possible for it to make you sleepy? Theanine is, for the most part, calming but not sedating, but if you're taking it with caffeine, you'll likely get some sort of comedown from even just the caffeine alone eventually, so it's not out of the question that you'd feel a bit more tired 4-6 hours later if you have too much theanine with your caffeine, as it balances/calms the energy from the caffeine from the outset. I like adding ornithine HCL to my caffeine, since it's been shown to potentiate the effects/duration of caffeine at 8 hours post-dose, which I find means longer-lasting effects and less crash/comedown.

Anyway, the research pairing caffeine with theanine tends not to use a very high dose of either, with this one using 250mg caffeine and 200mg theanine being probably the highest dose of either that's been used IIRC, and found that:

Caffeine increased self-rated alertness and jitteriness and blood pressure. Theanine antagonised the effect of caffeine on blood pressure but did not significantly affect jitteriness, alertness or other aspects of mood. Theanine also slowed overall reaction time on the visual probe task.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17891480

As to 350mg theanine, well, you're almost doubling the dose of what was used in this study, which I see no reason to do.

Then there's this study, which used coffee and tea, so isn't exactly the same, but it found that:
During the acute phase of beverage ingestion, caffeine significantly sustained performance compared to water after the first beverage for CFF and subjective sedation (P<0.05), and after the second beverage for the Recognition component of the CRT task (P<0.05). Additionally, there were significant differences between tea and coffee at 75 mg caffeine after the first drink. Compared to coffee, tea produced a significant increase in CFF threshold between 30 and 90 min post-consumption (P<0.01). However, following the second beverage caffeinated coffee at 75 mg significantly improved reaction time (P<0.05), compared to tea at the same dose, for the Recognition component of the CRT task.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10823400

Now, I may well be wrong, but perhaps the higher dose of theanine that people ended up consuming once they had their second serving of tea may have been something of what you're describing, with higher doses of theanine once you have multiple servings of tea?

Personally, I prefer ~100mg theanine in the context of a PWO, and no more than 200mg theanine in the context of a general energy or work/study aid style supplement. 350-400mg acutely is more for relaxation, or to be taken in the evening/night IMO. The only potential exception is if you're using a TON of stimulants and really want to try to balance it out, but even then, 350-400mg still seems like a lot in the context of a PWO IMO.

Edit: more info:
This potential chronic regulation of levels of alertness and performance of simple tasks afforded by tea consumption is consistent with the neurochemical effects of L-theanine and the interaction between L-theanine and caffeine. The effects of L-theanine on neurotransmitters suggest it has a regulatory role in brain function, modulating excitatory brain responses. Furthermore, L-theanine appears to antagonize the stimulatory effects of caffeine on the brain. This is supported by the few studies that have investigated the effects of L-theanine, in conjunction and in comparison with caffeine, on cognitive performance. These studies suggest an interactive effect of these two dietary components of tea. L-theanine appears to enhance the effects of caffeine on speed and accuracy of information processing, mental fatigue and tiredness, and, importantly, on more complex tasks such as sentence verification, word recognition, the speed and accuracy of sustained attention, and the ability to ignore distraction. These tasks may be more reflective of the cognitive performance required in stressful, everyday occupations than the simple speed of perception and speed of reaction tasks used in the caffeine-only research.
Importantly, L-theanine may also work in combination with caffeine to enhance performance of more complex tasks, such as attention switching and the ability to ignore distraction, which may be reflective of higher-level cognitive activity, such as the executive functions, and which may be sensitive to the detrimental effects of overstimulation on cognitive performance.
It's possible that people may like the "overstimulated" feeling of higher doses of caffeine in the context of a pre-workout supplement. Or just that more moderate doses of theanine can still provide the balanced/focused energy and synergy without taking too much of the "edge" off of the caffeine in the context of pre-workout use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18254874
 
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That’s one reason I never got around to trying that. So much Theanine.
Same here I never touched it because of that boat load of L-Theanine but I
can't understand why they left it in since they removed the DMHA and now
it's all caffeine. Much better pre's on the market without all that L-Theanine.
 

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Same here I never touched it because of that boat load of L-Theanine but I
can't understand why they left it in since they removed the DMHA and now
it's all caffeine. Much better pre's on the market without all that L-Theanine.
Is that every companies dream? Make hardcore formulas, gain a following, then dumb down the formulas to sell in mass market retailers?
 
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Is that every companies dream? Make hardcore formulas, gain a following, then dumb down the formulas to sell in mass market retailers?
End of the day, they are a business

And I guess a company who believe ‘hardcore’ formulas just aren’t worth making anymore especially with the FDA getting trigger happy with certain ingredients these days, it isn’t worth the risk, and joining with bb is the better way to go about business.
 
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Is that every companies dream? Make hardcore formulas, gain a following, then dumb down the formulas to sell in mass market retailers?
that seems to be the trend...in the past when FDA banned a stim there was competition for the next replacement. now it seems the competition is for best advertising gimmick or internet 'influencers'.
 
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What's the next big "Thing" ??
 
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Protein 4 Oats gets a vanilla flavor
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Thought isosyn was the next big stim?


Also, PES need to change that packaging on the protein 4 oats it just looks so ‘high school art project’ and nothing to do with the select line At all.
 
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Thought isosyn was the next big stim?


Also, PES need to change that packaging on the protein 4 oats it just looks so ‘high school art project’ and nothing to do with the select line At all.
 
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Marc drops more hints on the next Outright Bar
looks like Peanut Butter Peppermint Cookies & Cream
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Thought isosyn was the next big stim?


Also, PES need to change that packaging on the protein 4 oats it just looks so ‘high school art project’ and nothing to do with the select line At all.
Yeah, I also remember some buzz about isosynephrine. Or was it methyl? Idk but what I wonder is whatever happened to those supposed amazing, completely legal, dshea compliant, stims Bruce Kneller had discovered? There was a ton of buzz and then nothing, not a peep.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something on the protein 4 oats... you can use any protein already available on the market to mix in with oats? Why is this a special thing?
 
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Maybe I'm missing something on the protein 4 oats... you can use any protein already available on the market to mix in with oats? Why is this a special thing?

Good Question ??? I have been putting Protein Powder in my Oats for over 30 years !!
 
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That's the only time I'm ok with l-theanine. It's actually very useful pre-bed, and can counter any residual caffeine in the system from earlier in the day, and make sleep easier/better.
i guess this shows again how different people react to different compounds. I honestly like the theanine in it, with other pwo's when caffeine goes above 300mg, i feel really wired and kind of spaced out and i end up feeling weird throughout the workout, where with this product, i just had a clean energy, no jitters or anything. I will admit sometimes i'd get tired a few hours later, but i learned if i just had a small meal, it sorted me out again. I also wouldn't need coffee again during the day after taking this first thing in the morning. whichever way, i'm sad they changed the formula to this now, good thing i got some of the old formula before it was gone
 

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Yeah, I also remember some buzz about isosynephrine. Or was it methyl? Idk but what I wonder is whatever happened to those supposed amazing, completely legal, dshea compliant, stims Bruce Kneller had discovered? There was a ton of buzz and then nothing, not a peep.
I just wondered about that the other day, weren’t they supposed to be out by the end of 2018 or earlier?
 
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Im impressed with the maturity of this forum that no-one stooped so low as to make a pen1s comment.
I tried... but my app crashed while trying to post... said it was too big ;)
 
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Maybe I'm missing something on the protein 4 oats... you can use any protein already available on the market to mix in with oats? Why is this a special thing?
its exactly the same minus some of the gums that make a protein shake thicker... basically nothing though
 
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