The New Product Release Thread

bosskardo said:
Well, it has a wide range of benefits and I see no problem of it being there. If we make underdosing a problem then we'd be left with only a quarter of current preworkouts. Or less.
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I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm saying. It may have "a wide range of benefits," but the point a few of us have made is that it's likely not providing these benefits at the dose provided (1/6 to 1/4 of the studied dose). I think the most accurate thing to say would be that it's not a harmful ingredient, so it's not like it'd be detracting from the formula in any way; it's a non-player really, IMO. Also, defending under-dosing, saying it's not a problem, because most products do it seems strange to me. Most products suck lol. Again, it's not a bad formula, but it seems strange to see a well-dosed product just sort of miss the mark on one ingredient, but it seems that almost nearly every product that uses Lion's mane does this, so they're not alone. I think we've beat this horse enough at this point though.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm not sure if you're understanding what I'm saying. It may have "a wide range of benefits," but the point a few of us have made is that it's likely not providing these benefits at the dose provided (1/6 to 1/4 of the studied dose). I think the most accurate thing to say would be that it's not a harmful ingredient, so it's not like it'd be detracting from the formula in any way; it's a non-player really, IMO. Also, defending under-dosing, saying it's not a problem, because most products do it seems strange to me. Most products suck lol. Again, it's not a bad formula, but it seems strange to see a well-dosed product just sort of miss the mark on one ingredient, but it seems that almost nearly every product that uses Lion's mane does this, so they're not alone. I think we've beat this horse enough at this point though.
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I'm not disagreeing, just take a bit different view on it. I'm all for adding general wellness ingredients even if low doses.
It's not like it's useless at that dose and full dose would make it expensive. Not sure if it'd make flavouring hard too.
But I will have a problem if they should start marketing it as a great thing. Because it is a small addition and you'd need to take more, you can't say it's an important ingredient.
 
bosskardo said:
I'm not disagreeing, just take a bit different view on it. I'm all for adding general wellness ingredients even if low doses.
It's not like it's useless at that dose and full dose would make it expensive. Not sure if it'd make flavouring hard too.
But I will have a problem if they should start marketing it as a great thing. Because it is a small addition and you'd need to take more, you can't say it's an important ingredient.
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Is there any research suggesting it’s not useless at that dose? I’m genuinely curious, as I haven’t found any. Maybe the people at CL are aware of something I am not? My general rule of thumb is to assume that doses significantly lower than the lowest dose that’s been shown to be effective are treated as essentially trivial, and I think the burden of proof to show otherwise should be on the people claiming it is effective or at least not useless. Most of the anecdotes I’ve seen say that people don’t really notice anything at doses lower than 2g, and even that dose takes a little bit of time to really work. They’ve used this 500mg dose multiple times now, so they must have some reason for it, right?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Is there any research suggesting it’s not useless at that dose? I’m genuinely curious, as I haven’t found any. Maybe the people at CL are aware of something I am not? My general rule of thumb is to assume that doses significantly lower than the lowest dose that’s been shown to be effective are treated as essentially trivial, and I think the burden of proof to show otherwise should be on the people claiming it is effective or at least not useless. Most of the anecdotes I’ve seen say that people don’t really notice anything at doses lower than 2g, and even that dose takes a little bit of time to really work. They’ve used this 500mg dose multiple times now, so they must have some reason for it, right?
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I really see no point add low dose of a ingredient.
Its like adding 500mg Creatine and saying "well its bettet than nothing"
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Is there any research suggesting it’s not useless at that dose? I’m genuinely curious, as I haven’t found any. Maybe the people at CL are aware of something I am not? My general rule of thumb is to assume that doses significantly lower than the lowest dose that’s been shown to be effective are treated as essentially trivial, and I think the burden of proof to show otherwise should be on the people claiming it is effective or at least not useless. Most of the anecdotes I’ve seen say that people don’t really notice anything at doses lower than 2g, and even that dose takes a little bit of time to really work. They’ve used this 500mg dose multiple times now, so they must have some reason for it, right?
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I really see no point adding low dose of an ingredient.
Its like adding 500mg Creatine and saying "well its bettet than nothing"
 
The Solution said:
White Flash new Pre from CL

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Didn’t industry science recently determine that adding Agmatine and Citrulline together are counter effective? Why are companies still adding both?

I think the Guerrilla Chemist had a post about it. I saw it elsewhere too. I’ve been adding those two to my homemade pre workouts for about a year now
 
Hack75 said:
Didn’t industry science recently determine that adding Agmatine and Citrulline together are counter effective? Why are companies still adding both?

I think the Guerrilla Chemist had a post about it. I saw it elsewhere too. I’ve been adding those two to my homemade pre workouts for about a year now
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Wasn’t that only due to it potentially diminishing neurological effects of agmatine? I know that was the big thing people quoted from examine for years, but maybe I missed something.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Wasn’t that only due to it potentially diminishing neurological effects of agmatine? I know that was the big thing people quoted from examine for years, but maybe I missed something.
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Quoting myself. I read what the Guerrilla Chemist said. He mentioned a study that he claimed showed agmatine reduced the effects of citrulline in rats, but he never cited the study (some scientist lol). I haven’t been able to find the study at all, and he even later said it’s not certain either way. He claims a study combining the two resulted in decreased citrulline production. The only study I’ve seen showing decreases in citrulline production with agmatine supplementation did not also use supplemental citrulline. Furthermore, agmatine did not decrease citrulline levels in control (normal) rats, but only reduced the increase in citrulline levels in NAcc resulting from morphine withdrawal. Besides this not actually involving citrulline supplementation at all, it only measured citrulline in nucleus accumbens core region (NAcc), which is in the brain, so not really relevant to pre-workout pumps.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17182008/

I hope this isn’t the study he was talking about, since it’s nothing like what he’s claiming, but it’s the closest I could find. If anyone could find a study showing what he claimed, I’d love to see it.
 
As would I.

Not trying to derail this thread- but I think it’s relevant because lots of new products contain both ingredients
 
Hack75 said:
As would I.

Not trying to derail this thread- but I think it’s relevant because lots of new products contain both ingredients
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What I’m saying is that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim; if he’s claiming that agmatine reduces the effects of citrulline, it’s his responsibility to prove it. Failing to reference his study is a pretty bad start IMO. Until, or if, he can prove it, I wouldn’t put much weight into it. Plenty of people use and love both.
 
If it's out there, I'm sure someone here will find it !! This board is the best!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
What I’m saying is that the burden of proof is on the person making the claim; if he’s claiming that agmatine reduces the effects of citrulline, it’s his responsibility to prove it. Failing to reference his study is a pretty bad start IMO. Until, or if, he can prove it, I wouldn’t put much weight into it. Plenty of people use and love both.
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There is some mixed research but there is quite a bit of research showing agmatine decreases NO production. The Guerrilla Chemist actually went over the actual research papers going over that. Il try and see if o can find the info on it and post it!
 
Barca1323 said:
There is some mixed research but there is quite a bit of research showing agmatine decreases NO production. The Guerrilla Chemist actually went over the actual research papers going over that. Il try and see if o can find the info on it and post it!
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I read his post; I didn't see him actually reference any studies, he just said there were studies. I also read the conversations on his post, including his back and forth with someone who said some of the same thing I've said here, and it looks like they started private messaging each other instead of carrying on the conversation in public, or at least that's what they did with some references. Until you can find the study he talked about claiming that agmatine supplementation reduces the effects of citrulline supplementation, I'm not concerned. He mentioned decreased citrulline production, but why would we be concerned with citrulline production when we're supplementing with exogenous citrulline? That leads me to believe that the study he was referencing didn't actually use supplemental citrulline, but only measured citrulline production following agmatine supplementation. Also, if it's the same study I think it is, the only one that's even remotely similar I've found, it found that agmatine had no negative effect on citrulline in control/normal rodents, but only in rats going through morphine withdrawal. Furthermore, it was brain citrulline levels, so not really relevant to pumps in the context of pre-workout use. Remember, agmatine has neurological effects too.

If you can find a study that's not the one I found, then we can discuss it, but I'm repeating myself now, and you're presenting largely unsubstantiated claims based on a study that none of us have seen or can find.
 


Ghost Coffee Ice Cream Whey Review

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Taste

Coffee Ice Cream – I have had over hundreds of pints of ice cream, and some of the best-flavored coffee ice creams the US has to offer. This tastes almost identical to one of my favorite coffee ice cream bases, which is found in New Orleans Café Au Lait and Beignets. What is truly unique about this flavor is the amount of cold brew you taste in each and every sip. The kicker is the scalded milk aftertaste you get which provides the prefect compliment to a true coffee flavor. There are small little pieces of freeze dried coffee in the batter, but do not make a drastic impact on changing the outcome of how this tastes. For someone like myself who is a huge coffee head this is a hit, and easily rises right to the top of the list of best all-time ghost whey flavors. For those who are not die-hard coffee fans, or do not care for coffee this may be one to think twice about, and stick to the top sellers like Cereal Milk & Blueberry Toaster Pastry. The easiest comparison for those coffee drinkers is a coffee Frappuccino right from Starbucks.

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Mixability

I mixed this protein shake with 2 Scoops of the Whey and 12oz of cashew milk. This mixed with ease. There was no clumping left in the shake as the powder started to mix hitting the liquid.

When mixed in greek yogurt (plain) I also found it to mix with ease. Ghost mixes very similar to a MTS, PES, or typical blend on the market. There are also no issues when utilized in baking. Due to the makeup of the blend of protein this makes it rise very well since it is not heavy in casein (which is better for binding agents like cheesecakes).

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Formula

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Per Scoop:
1.5g Fat
4g Carbs
25g Protein

What you have to love about Ghost is the open label on the whey protein. The only other added ingredients are cellulose and xanthan gum + Sucralose as the sweetener. There is nothing hidden in here. With a very basic formula the greatest inclusion is a Ghost Enzyme to help breakdown the whey for those who may have a slight lactose problem. This will settle very easy and sit well for almost all consumers.

14.53g from WPI
13.15g From WPC
2.98g from Hydro WPI

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Cost

$39.99 on their main webpage, but you can always find a 20% off coupon. If you have coupons to the 3 letter store you can always get the added discount if you want to shop local. For the price of the open label and flavoring it is more of a unique buy. Think of something you can use on occasion, but maybe a touch too expensive to use on a daily basis. Most people are geared to cost effective whey/whey blends on the market. My best piece of advice is you could half the dosage on the ghost whey and pair with a vanilla protein powder to get the enhancement of the Ghost flavoring.

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The Solution said:


Ghost Coffee Ice Cream Whey Review


Taste

Coffee Ice Cream – I have had over hundreds of pints of ice cream, and some of the best-flavored coffee ice creams the US has to offer. This tastes almost identical to one of my favorite coffee ice cream bases, which is found in New Orleans Café Au Lait and Beignets. What is truly unique about this flavor is the amount of cold brew you taste in each and every sip. The kicker is the scalded milk aftertaste you get which provides the prefect compliment to a true coffee flavor. There are small little pieces of freeze dried coffee in the batter, but do not make a drastic impact on changing the outcome of how this tastes. For someone like myself who is a huge coffee head this is a hit, and easily rises right to the top of the list of best all-time ghost whey flavors. For those who are not die-hard coffee fans, or do not care for coffee this may be one to think twice about, and stick to the top sellers like Cereal Milk & Blueberry Toaster Pastry. The easiest comparison for those coffee drinkers is a coffee Frappuccino right from Starbucks.




Mixability

I mixed this protein shake with 2 Scoops of the Whey and 12oz of cashew milk. This mixed with ease. There was no clumping left in the shake as the powder started to mix hitting the liquid.

When mixed in greek yogurt (plain) I also found it to mix with ease. Ghost mixes very similar to a MTS, PES, or typical blend on the market. There are also no issues when utilized in baking. Due to the makeup of the blend of protein this makes it rise very well since it is not heavy in casein (which is better for binding agents like cheesecakes).


Formula



Per Scoop:
1.5g Fat
4g Carbs
25g Protein

What you have to love about Ghost is the open label on the whey protein. The only other added ingredients are cellulose and xanthan gum + Sucralose as the sweetener. There is nothing hidden in here. With a very basic formula the greatest inclusion is a Ghost Enzyme to help breakdown the whey for those who may have a slight lactose problem. This will settle very easy and sit well for almost all consumers.

14.53g from WPI
13.15g From WPC
2.98g from Hydro WPI

Cost

$39.99 on their main webpage, but you can always find a 20% off coupon. If you have coupons to the 3 letter store you can always get the added discount if you want to shop local. For the price of the open label and flavoring it is more of a unique buy. Think of something you can use on occasion, but maybe a touch too expensive to use on a daily basis. Most people are geared to cost effective whey/whey blends on the market. My best piece of advice is you could half the dosage on the ghost whey and pair with a vanilla protein powder to get the enhancement of the Ghost flavoring.
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Awesome review man. And damn this sounds freakin' bomb for coffee lovers. My favorite breakfast as a little kid was coffee crumb cake. I might have to pick this up for morning oats.
 
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I will be trying this !!!
 
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20% Off + Free Vortex Shaker TODAY only
$22.40 Case of 12 —- $1.86 Can

Grabbed some more
 

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00A said:
Good mix of ingredients, not sure about dosages, not underdosed? Maybe with the combo does not matter as much..
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I feel it is underdosed on most ingredients except the Vaso6. I combined it with noxygen and enjoyed the pumps with the two combined. Noxygen can be found cheap
 
I need that coffee cake in my life. I love coffee but not in ice cream but I do love me some tiramisu so...might need to buy some of this protein.
 
Coffee Cake sounds better to me than straight coffee flavor .
 
ironkill said:
I feel it is underdosed on most ingredients except the Vaso6. I combined it with noxygen and enjoyed the pumps with the two combined. Noxygen can be found cheap
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Im looking for a pump non-stim without the nitrates. It's proving difficult to find ?
 
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