BIGGUNZ401
Member
Anyone experience this problem??
THE NEW MASS FX + HYPERDROL x2..KILLS LIBIDO
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bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
i have seen this happen is in a guy who took 10 a day (no joke i DONT recomend that) is at drove estrogen to low
if you are having a problem you may be sensitive to the hyperdrol and i would cut it back by a pill to see how it works
if you are having a problem you may be sensitive to the hyperdrol and i would cut it back by a pill to see how it works
BIGGUNZ401
Member
im only taking two hyperdrol caps a day!..Also, do you think the Mass Fx could also be contributing to the loss of libido?Thanks guys
BIGGUNZ401
Member
im only taking 4 mass fx caps..and two hyperdrols a day..if this continues.. I might have to end the hyperdrol..
BIGGUNZ401
Member
I only been on the stack for 7 days...
bigschmidt821
Oldtimer
try lowering the mass fx, do u also still have ur reciept?
Zero V
Well-known member
I just started the stack yesterday. 4 MASS FX and 4 HX2. Sadly I think me and my buddy fell victim to food poisoning so yesterday stunk, and today might be iffy. Cant wait for everything to get online though. I can let you know how it affects me after about a week. I would actually like my libido to die....Being Christian, I hate temptation -.-
I will throw up a log soon...but the first week will probably be on paper, then I will just add in into the log when it starts....going for 8 week bulk
Then an in between where I re-align my calories and food intake, then slowly go into a cut. I am counting on these products to make my food and training go farther than b4.
I will throw up a log soon...but the first week will probably be on paper, then I will just add in into the log when it starts....going for 8 week bulk
Then an in between where I re-align my calories and food intake, then slowly go into a cut. I am counting on these products to make my food and training go farther than b4.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
I bought these products a long time ago.. and finally decided to start the stack. And I dont have the reciept...Im gonna try just taking the Mass Fx for now... I finished a whole bottle of Activate Xtreme and It wasnt so bad on the libido side.
T-AD
Well-known member
Hmmm... Since they share an ingredient or two, I'm apt to think it's not MFX and you may be sensitive to the Hyperdrol. If you are down to 2 caps of HX2, drop it for a few days and see if it makes a difference. I should think it'd be better to drop one en totale rather than both to such small doses that any effects would be nominal.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
I have been taking only the Mass Fx, 4 caps a day.. Lets see what happens. Your right, it could be the HX2...
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
I think you'll find it's the massFX, and that its related to DHT.
There's some anti-DHT properties from MassFX. DHT is an important androgen for maintaining proper libido, since it is capable of penetrating the BBB. The lack of DHT is actually what causes the infamous "Deca-****", an extreme loss of libido associated with the AAS, deca-durabolin.
Anyhow, this is a rare occurence that happens, most likely due to individual enzyme makeup. You see, some of the ingredients (especially the divanil) increase free testosterone, which leads to increased DHT, and thereby increased libido. In the case, however, that your 5-alpha-reductase enzyme becomes saturated too quickly, you don't experience much of an DHT increase. Keeping with these saturated enzymes, in the case the 5-AR inhibiting capabilities start to inhibit the 5-AR, DHT production slows down. The end result is high levels of free-test, but without the libido enhancing effects of its 5-AR metabolite, DHT.
I've seen this happen with both the new and old.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
Its been two days since I stopped taking the hyperdrol completely and it seems like I been waking up with hard-ons again.. That is a good start.. LOL
Okay, I got lots of questions for you..
1. From what you stated above. In my case, does this mean the Mass Fx will not work for me?
2. I was planning on doing a full bottle of Mass Fx...and then in the next month, I was going to stack Mass Fx with 3 A.D...
I read around the boards that 3 A.D kills libido as well???
(I have the 3 AD and AX PCT, im my stash and it was purchased alonggg time ago)
3. AX PCT, Has 6 bromo in it.. And that will def kill my libido. What else could I use in replacement for PCT?
4. Can I get a trade for my 90% full hyperdrol bottle for the Mass FX?
Thanks..
TTewell
Board Sponsor
I'd suggest just trying to run Hyperdrol alone. As sinner said, you seem to be one of the very few who is affected by the lowered DHT that Mass FX causes.
6-bromo in HD is an AI but it still has a very good reputation for supporting a high libido unlike some other AI's that could kill it.
For me, 3-AD does hurt my libido too but that is individualistic. A lot of people report a huge libido surge so it's different for everyone.
T-AD
Well-known member
I agree with Tom here, for the most part. Well, ok, I do.
In my opinion:
1. Do you mean that Hyperdrol won't work for you, not MFX? If MFX is bringing back the mornin' wood, then I think it's working just fine for ya. If HX2 took it away, then maybe not go with that.
2. The 3-AD libido thing would also be a very rare occurrence. TT is the only one that I recall who has mentioned it, and he's a special case. :lol: Unfortunately, only one way to find out - try it.
3. The 6-bromo is aPCT is a lower dose intended for PCT use, but if you think that may be the cause of some problems, you have the choice of either trying another PCT product like resveratol (or however you spell it), or trying to cope for a month if the problem persists. There's a trade-off...potential success with no nookie, or nookie with potential lost gains. Hard call, man. Pun intended. :trout:
4. We have a 100% guarantee on all of our products. If you have the receipt, just return it to wherever you bought it. No worries. Any problems, just contact us and we'll help.
:cheers:
BIGGUNZ401
Member
I agree with Tom here, for the most part. Well, ok, I do.
In my opinion:
1. Do you mean that Hyperdrol won't work for you, not MFX? If MFX is bringing back the mornin' wood, then I think it's working just fine for ya. If HX2 took it away, then maybe not go with that.
2. The 3-AD libido thing would also be a very rare occurrence. TT is the only one that I recall who has mentioned it, and he's a special case. :lol: Unfortunately, only one way to find out - try it.
3. The 6-bromo is aPCT is a lower dose intended for PCT use, but if you think that may be the cause of some problems, you have the choice of either trying another PCT product like resveratol (or however you spell it), or trying to cope for a month if the problem persists. There's a trade-off...potential success with no nookie, or nookie with potential lost gains. Hard call, man. Pun intended. :trout:
4. We have a 100% guarantee on all of our products. If you have the receipt, just return it to wherever you bought it. No worries. Any problems, just contact us and we'll help.
:cheers:
1. I was refering to the Mass Fx not working for me. Not the hyperdrol.
2. LOL, right on! You never know until you try. Thanks for the honest replies. I'm still gonna try the 3 A.D! Well I have no choice. I already bought it! haha
3. You are right..1 month on a low dosage of 6 bromo for PCT.. I guess ill deal with it..You gotta sacrifice if you want to succeed! I'll prob stack Paravol during this time for libido purposes.
4. I do not have the reciept, I purchased it along time ago and finally decided to use it. Any solution to this?
Also, is it safe to do a month of Mass Fx and then the second month stack Mass FX + 3 A.D?
BIGGUNZ401
Member
Im going to lay off the Hyperdrol.. I really think it was the culprit of my loss of libido.. Mass FX all the way for now! I will keep everyone updated.
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
Keep us updated. Best of luck with your results.
BIGGUNZ401
Member
Ever since I stopped taking the hyperdrol x2.. My libido is back to normal..actually better because of the Mass Fx.. So far so good. Havent seen any thing in terms of strength gains. I will keep everyone updated!
BIGGUNZ401
Member
Hey everyone.. Just updating as promised.. Well libido is back and sorta above normal. I just finished week 2 and I can definitely feel the Mass Fx working!! This product is amazing.. My strength is definitely way up. My flat bench went from 225 x 4 to 225 x 10
This might sound crazy but, let me explain.. I was on a trip for about a month in a third world country with no gym. And after I got back from vacation, I slacked off and didnt go to the gym for another month. So that is two months without any gym. Before the two months of slacking off, I was benching 225 x 14.
I dont think my muscle memory would be kicking in that quickly. I can honestly say its The Mass Fx.. Strength is up.. Recovery is great, its like im not even sore. The only side effect is I'm getting a lil acne on my face and increased aggression.
Also is it safe to run Mass Fx for a month and then run Mass Fx + 3 A.D for the second month???? Has anyone ever tried this??thanks
This might sound crazy but, let me explain.. I was on a trip for about a month in a third world country with no gym. And after I got back from vacation, I slacked off and didnt go to the gym for another month. So that is two months without any gym. Before the two months of slacking off, I was benching 225 x 14.
I dont think my muscle memory would be kicking in that quickly. I can honestly say its The Mass Fx.. Strength is up.. Recovery is great, its like im not even sore. The only side effect is I'm getting a lil acne on my face and increased aggression.
Also is it safe to run Mass Fx for a month and then run Mass Fx + 3 A.D for the second month???? Has anyone ever tried this??thanks
Son of Earth
New member
I also read some posts regarding lethargy on the mass fx/Hx2-Stack - this could also kill the libido.
Which one triggers the lethargy? I feel lethargic myself these days and I am only on day 5... will this subside further on in the cycle or is it permanent?
Which one triggers the lethargy? I feel lethargic myself these days and I am only on day 5... will this subside further on in the cycle or is it permanent?
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
lethargy is the result of energy being stored more efficiently than being used.
What basically happens is you are getting more proteins and sugars, etc stored so efficiently into your muscles, that there is not as much to go to your brain.
Son of Earth
New member
Thx Sinner,
very interesting stuff indeed :thumbsup: So if I understand correctly, this is basicly a desirable state from an anabolic point of view - right?
Are there ways to adjust this to a point where the anabolic processes are still considerably fortified, but the brain also gets what it needs for a comfortable condition of the mind?
very interesting stuff indeed :thumbsup: So if I understand correctly, this is basicly a desirable state from an anabolic point of view - right?
Are there ways to adjust this to a point where the anabolic processes are still considerably fortified, but the brain also gets what it needs for a comfortable condition of the mind?
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
From an anabolic point of view, it's a rather desirable state. Just try not to overdo it.
It's quite common to get such side effects from incredibly anabolic steroids, like M1T and Oxandrolone. While the hyperdrol/massfx stack isn't a prohormone or steroid, it sure puts up a fight.
Lowering the dose is the first thing that comes to mind.
The next plan of attack would be some good ol' caffeine (or other stimulants). Stimulants tend to either mimick or increase epiniphrine in the bloodstream. This is a hormone/neurotransmitter used to convert glycogen into glucose. The brain and CNS have more fuel to work, and the end result is increased wakefulness and focus.
Son of Earth
New member
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:And yet again: Great Info and a big thanks!!
dantespeak
New member
I just finished my HX2 cycle last week and i have noticed a reduction in my libido as well as reduction in strenght , Is that possible after running this product ? and what can i do to get things fixed in the way they should be ? I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
This sounds obscure, as it is the complete opposite of what should occur.
How is your current diet, rest, and overall quality of life? Teh last one might seem obscure, but to a person who might be going through a stressful period can often experience these decreases. Especially with the hectic holiday season, followed immediately everyone going back to work/school this time of year, these three things are often not satisfied.
Another possibility, could be a drastic reduction in estrogen, caused by the 6-bromodione in hyperdrol. Are you experiencing any soreness in the joints (another common side effect of low estrogen)? While we often perceive estrogen as "the enemy", you actually need it for your testosterone to function properly.
How is your current diet, rest, and overall quality of life? Teh last one might seem obscure, but to a person who might be going through a stressful period can often experience these decreases. Especially with the hectic holiday season, followed immediately everyone going back to work/school this time of year, these three things are often not satisfied.
Another possibility, could be a drastic reduction in estrogen, caused by the 6-bromodione in hyperdrol. Are you experiencing any soreness in the joints (another common side effect of low estrogen)? While we often perceive estrogen as "the enemy", you actually need it for your testosterone to function properly.
bla55
Well-known member
And I don't know how it works for hyperdrol, but as I've heard an overdose on 6-Bromo can cause many adverse effects if you stop it suddenly. But I'm sure there are people here who understand that a lot more than I do, but maybe thats a question worth asking yourself as well.
Any superdosing on the product?
Any superdosing on the product?
thesinner
Recovering AXoholic
A few of the reps have experimented 3-4x the recommended dose. No adverse effects.
the alpha-isomer could cause for an estrogen rebound, but the aromatase removal of the beta-isomer should negate this. I don't really like the idea of superdosing hyperdrol because its EXPENSIVE.
the alpha-isomer could cause for an estrogen rebound, but the aromatase removal of the beta-isomer should negate this. I don't really like the idea of superdosing hyperdrol because its EXPENSIVE.
space1
New member
i have the same problem. I am on my firts week of MassFX only , and i notice that my libido is really low. Before i start massfx i was always ,,ON" ,almost unreal.. and now it is really low...not completely off ..but much lower than before...
I take 2cps upon waiking and 2cps pre work.
apart from this , i feel really good, my workout has some improvements .
lonewolf0420
Well-known member
Can't say that my libido is low, but I can't say it is high. Its just their.
MassFX @ 6 caps, and Hx2 @ 5 caps.
MassFX @ 6 caps, and Hx2 @ 5 caps.
hoopsta
New member
I dont know if anyone is still reading this thread but through personal experience I have figured out what causes a loss of libido and why.
Everyone reacts different to drugs that promote free- TEST
when your body begins to free up Test in some people your body decides to stop producing as much Testosterone; giving you low libido, High free test, and lower overal test.
This is not a Hyperdrol X2 issue which many believe it is because of its anti-estrogen traits. I have taken each solo and hyperdrol does nothing but amazing things for lowering body fat and aiding in muscle compisition.
The cause is the ingredient Davanill - it is in a variety of products. The same loss of libido happened to me when I was taking Activate Xtreme which, if you read the ingredients it is also a Davanill product.
This information is based on research and personal experience. CLEARLY I didnt want to take anything that would ruin my sex life haha. Hope this helps for those still confused about the sudden loss of libido. When I take Mass FX i will lose my libido within 24 hours.
Everyone reacts different to drugs that promote free- TEST
when your body begins to free up Test in some people your body decides to stop producing as much Testosterone; giving you low libido, High free test, and lower overal test.
This is not a Hyperdrol X2 issue which many believe it is because of its anti-estrogen traits. I have taken each solo and hyperdrol does nothing but amazing things for lowering body fat and aiding in muscle compisition.
The cause is the ingredient Davanill - it is in a variety of products. The same loss of libido happened to me when I was taking Activate Xtreme which, if you read the ingredients it is also a Davanill product.
This information is based on research and personal experience. CLEARLY I didnt want to take anything that would ruin my sex life haha. Hope this helps for those still confused about the sudden loss of libido. When I take Mass FX i will lose my libido within 24 hours.
joeflex73
Board Sponsor
That's kind of a strange effect, but I doubt Divanil is responsible, being how it inhibits SHBG, freeing testosterone.
On this stack, some may be dosing HD2 too high (I won't go over 6/day, but I know a few reps have done 12/day short term) or taking it for too long, which can cause adverse side effects like libido loss. A great example is some ATD products dosed at higher doses give a big hit to libido as HD2 rarely gives a libido drop at recommended doses. Estrogen does play a role in male libido.
jim623
Guest
Very true, in fact, just to show how HX2 affects people differently, I can only take 3 a day. At 4 caps a day, in 2 weeks I have a drastic loss of libido.