Haha we are working on it! I'll give a more firm ETA (if mw1 doesn't) as soon as we knowI read through all these 5 pages and still didn't find the answer to when CEL are releasing their test booster
All i'll say is that it is looking amazing
Haha we are working on it! I'll give a more firm ETA (if mw1 doesn't) as soon as we knowI read through all these 5 pages and still didn't find the answer to when CEL are releasing their test booster
Im not sure but don't you need to break from it??I have been using Letrone (1 before bed) for many months now and besides being a very powerful AI (even at 1/2 dose) its very anabolic. Its seems it makes anything else your using better. I just keep making gains and more easily than I have ever have using otherwise using the same supplements I previously used without Letrone. I bought for an AI and its now a staple.
You shouldn't use a 'very powerful AI' as 'a staple.' Definitely want to cycle that.I have been using Letrone (1 before bed) for many months now and besides being a very powerful AI (even at 1/2 dose) its very anabolic. Its seems it makes anything else your using better. I just keep making gains and more easily than I have ever have using otherwise using the same supplements I previously used without Letrone. I bought for an AI and its now a staple.
Been taking a couple of weeks off after a bottle is finished and dosing at 1/2 the recommended amount.Im not sure but don't you need to break from it??
When was this number obtained? After a AAS/DS/PH cycle? To play Devil's advocate, the odds are, that a person will "recover", even without doing anything at all. 16 weeks could very well allow for that without taking anything. The question is the retention of "gains" while recovering and overall "feeling" while doing so. This is usually done by jacking T all the way up as fast as possible. This happens with Clomid for instance - 200 to 1300 in 4-6 weeks... as opposed to a "natty PCT" going from 200 just back to, say, a 500 baseline in the same period - and it's possible it would have happened anyway.Starting point of 244 Test and very low LH FSH.
Macao is great! Good ol toco 8Hey. Welcome Chuck!
At the risk of sounding too challenging.
I don't believe the DHEA raises Test though. At least in men under 40. Women however. Yes.
I'm over 40 so the benefits otherwise are fine here.
It raises E2 in men as it more readily aromatizes, because it is the precursor to both Testosterone and Estrogen.
I've read the studies and differ to other products such as Tribulus and more for their benefits.
I'm also taking Maca incorporating a few other natural herbs for their LH and FSH actions.
Including some supps that operate to raise Test through a negative feedback loop. I'm a ginea pig.
Will be finding out effectiveness through bloods which are often requested but rarely offered.
I didn't suggest you spoil your sample. My point was that you could take absolutely nothing and get back to baseline, but going from 200 to 1300 was better for mass retention than 200 to 500. The numbers were completely arbitrary to use as an example, but are in line with bloodwork that has been posted for both Natural and Rx recovery products.How can one validate test boosters with bloods if the sample is spoiled?
I think what TOG is trying to say is your sample may be skewed. Your test levels are already tanked and they will naturally increase on their own. Without a precycle reference range, it may be hard to attribute the increase to test boosters.Apologies to the discussion again. I don't wish to make this about my PCT.
We can go PM. Or even take this to my thread.
In a nutshell. I don't think I will lose my gains compared to using a SERM.
I do respect your thoughts in the matter and appreciate you taking the time to chime in.
Kindest regards
M
Honestly, I had to read, then re-read. At this point, I'm having to speculate, but await the final bloods / results then we can all extrapolate and decide if the outcome has any significance. I'm already planning on moving forward through with 8 weeks of PCT, then a cut while I plan on the next cycle which will require the sage advice of some board members. The PCT will certainly be more traditional, if this is the case with the cycle.I think what TOG is trying to say is your sample may be skewed. Your test levels are already tanked and they will naturally increase on their own. Without a precycle reference range, it may be hard to attribute the increase to test boosters.
But if your precycle T was 600 and Post PCT 800 then there's an attributable increase. I may have read it wrong though
I'm just here to state my opinion on the best test boosting products available. Tons of logs on here for a few of the product mentioned,Hey. Welcome Chuck!
At the risk of sounding too challenging.
I don't believe the DHEA raises Test though. At least in men under 40. Women however. Yes.
I'm over 40 so the benefits otherwise are fine here.
It raises E2 in men as it more readily aromatizes, because it is the precursor to both Testosterone and Estrogen.
I've read the studies and differ to other products such as Tribulus and more for their benefits.
I'm also taking Maca incorporating a few other natural herbs for their LH and FSH actions.
Including some supps that operate to raise Test through a negative feedback loop. I'm a ginea pig.
Will be finding out effectiveness through bloods which are often requested but rarely offered.
Thanks for expanding on your statement.I'm just here to state my opinion on the best test boosting products available. Tons of logs on here for a few of the product mentioned,
a sht load for Diesel Test going back 11 yrs. I don't really suggest taking a bunch of DHEA and assuming your test levels will go up just
because it is wishy washy how someone will respond to it. Ill tell you one thing, no one will say any other test booster still legal worked
better for them than GET DIESEL test boosters when used stand alone. PCT or not.
BTW I went Chicago to FL back to Chicago.
Woody you missed my point on preworkouts.
BTW I went Chicago to FL back to Chicago.
I didn't realize anyone left here once they made the leap to the promised land. Are you crazy Chuck?Came to Florida to take care of my parents. I did, both passed from cancer. I stayed.
As much as the snow annoys me, I couldn't stay away from Chicago for long. Most beautiful city.I didn't realize anyone left here once they made the leap to the promised land. Are you crazy Chuck?
I think what TOG is trying to say is your sample may be skewed. Your test levels are already tanked and they will naturally increase on their own. Without a precycle reference range, it may be hard to attribute the increase to test boosters.
But if your precycle T was 600 and Post PCT 800 then there's an attributable increase. I may have read it wrong though
It was abt 2009 when i cam back to Chicago. It was fine because i left at 18 yrs old. It was just tooooo hot in Florida and boring. I was in central Florida. Up in the midwest the ppl are different also. More normal. For instance in FL no one hangs out and bbq w friends. You can't if its 104% humidity April to October.....but I miss it being tropical and no pot holes. Nice place to visit (Florida) or if you don't like big City. I lived all over Tampa and Orlando but liked the suburbs of Tampa best. Like Brandon.Thanks for expanding on your statement.
Ah Chicago. I miss it and yet I don't. Came to Florida to take care of my parents. I did, both passed from cancer. I stayed.
How was your adjustment back in shytown?
It's true that people are generally less friendly here. I think it's just the weird mix of so many different groups. New Yorkers, old people, native Floridians, etc. Definitely different than Ohio where we came from. We're about 30-40min south of Brandon. Orlando is the devil's armpit. Zero air movement. Summer here sucks, but so did winter there. I used to get so depressed when winter hit. Figure at least here it looks nice outside from inside my air conditioned home. And we have the beach nearby.It was abt 2009 when i cam back to Chicago. It was fine because i left at 18 yrs old. It was just tooooo hot in Florida and boring. I was in central Florida. Up in the midwest the ppl are different also. More normal. For instance in FL no one hangs out and bbq w friends. You can't if its 104% humidity April to October.....but I miss it being tropical and no pot holes. Nice place to visit (Florida) or if you don't like big City. I lived all over Tampa and Orlando but liked the suburbs of Tampa best. Like Brandon.
True! I've visited many places. Midwesterners are the most social.It's true that people are generally less friendly here. I think it's just the weird mix of so many different groups. New Yorkers, old people, native Floridians, etc. Definitely different than Ohio where we came from. We're about 30-40min south of Brandon. Orlando is the devil's armpit. Zero air movement. Summer here sucks, but so did winter there. I used to get so depressed when winter hit. Figure at least here it looks nice outside from inside my air conditioned home. And we have the beach nearby.
But nothing beats midwesterners.
I'm from Philly but now live in Houston. Two totally different type of people!True! I've visited many places. Midwesterners are the most social.
I do miss it. Not many here but easy to spot. Brandon. Regular folks in the best way. Sarasota. Crazy uptight self important self centered a$$holes.
That's why we picked Bradenton. I believe y'all call it Bradentucky.True! I've visited many places. Midwesterners are the most social.
I do miss it. Not many here but easy to spot. Brandon. Regular folks in the best way. Sarasota. Crazy uptight self important self centered a$$holes.
True but so we're your words simply echoing thought of what I wanted to do from the start. Then. The voices. . .Whilst it would be ideal to have had a natural baseline, even if you had 1 reading this would not necessarily tell you your true underlying average baseline T level. You would need 2-4 readings to establish your natural baseline over a number of wks or months as Test naturally fluctuates sharply for a variety of reasons.You could also argue it would have been nice to have had bloods from a previous PCT to see what level of recovery you got from Clomid
Personally I think this is slightly overthinking/over complicating things. I dont think not having a natural baseline completely invalidates this exercise. You have a pre and after which provides a metric. I for one would still have loved to see the margin of t increase from your post cycle levels. using a natty PCT stack. Your stack was quite compelling. It would have provided some evidence, not perfect i know, of the efficacy of some of the newer products your were using but I understand if you want to go back to a tried and tested formula
If youre going to run Clomid i would say not much point adding in Rebirth, Letrone, Viron, Prolactrone, Tes1fy etc. Seems like overkill. You could reduce the natty stack by half. Why run Viron and Testify for example. Don't they gave overlapping ingredients?
Nice boost in free test. I wonder why your total test dropped.Looks like ~73 pg/mL increase in Free Test
It read to me that there was no pre-cycle level to go off of, if I missed it, I apologize. I don't really care if it's a true, multi-test baseline, just something before the anabolics. If someone is following the basic rule of Time On + PCT = Time Off, they'd be 60-90 days past last SERM use at testing time, which would be a great time to get a reading. That's all I was going for. I'd like to see just the natty numbers too - but you risk losing more of what you gained on cycle IMO - if he's cool with that. And then we have "What would the body do all on it's own?" So it seems you'd need to run the exact same cycle again and the second time do absolutely no PCT and get a reading at the exact same time - to truly measure what the natural product did - but that's even riskier. I wasn't hammering the poster, I just used his posts as a vehicle to discuss some things about PCT and HPT(G)A restoration, and some logic behind some methods. Bro hugs all around!Your Post
No estrogen blackers is not needed for anything natural. I actually think they are a bad thing when natty imo. Because estrogen is not necessary a bad, in the right amounts its actually very good.Just curious when taking a natty test booster do you still have to tske a estrogen blocker??? I've always ran gear for almost 4 years and been off for a year now and plan to keep it natural now. I've always uses aromasin but is estrogen blockers necessary if you just using a natty test booster. Just looking for increased libido and mood
E blocker will dry out joints and decrease performance more than help.No estrogen blackers is not needed for anything natural. I actually think they are a bad thing when natty imo. Because estrogen is not necessary a bad, in the right amounts its actually very good.
I wouldn't do it. If you want to go the dhea route then get dermacrine by BPS. Sustain Alpha with AlphaMax XT is exactly what you are looking for IMO.That's exactly what I'm looking for. More libido and well being. What do you think of dhea pill form ?
Alphamax XT covers multiple angles. It's honestly a great all around product. I know ITT the term "Test Booster" has people bickering, however it does provide plenty of helpful benefits.Is the dhea pill just no good ? I'm going to look more into the alpha max.
I can totally agree with this. Same experience I had with my 8 week run. It really hits you how well you've been feeling when you stop taking it. Sounds odd, but true..........
I'm almost 38, and finished an 8 week run 3 weeks ago. While on it my sleep was deeper, less interrupted. My libido was higher. I wasn't as stressed out at work. Those are all benifits that I personally enjoy.
I wouldn't personally recommend Dermacrine for someone just looking for libido and wellbeing as it can be suppressive at the dosage. Recommended dosage for DHEA is generally 25 - 75 range ed. I go 25 eod. Dermacrine dosage is way above this. Oral DHEA does work although some say it can aromatise more but not seen any studies on these personally. Also sublingual and transdermal also recommended by some above oral but again not seen any studies to support these as being more effective than oralI wouldn't do it. If you want to go the dhea route then get dermacrine by BPS. Sustain Alpha with AlphaMax XT is exactly what you are looking for IMO.
Dermacrine is known to help with this during cycle. Hundreds of people have done it. Many logs and reviews of it on here.I wouldn't personally recommend Dermacrine for someone just looking for libido and wellbeing as it can be suppressive at the dosage. Recommended dosage for DHEA is generally 25 - 75 range ed. I go 25 eod. Dermacrine dosage is way above this. Oral DHEA does work although some say it can aromatise more but not seen any studies on these personally. Also sublingual and transdermal also recommended by some above oral but again not seen any studies to support these as being more effective than oral
DHEA+ Pregnegnelone is even better but also age dependent. Benefits more likely if your're older. Just don't expect acute or dramatic effects
Ashwagandha has helped many adapt to stress better, and I'd argue anyone taking a decent amount of 99% l-dopa "mucuna" (% is so high can we say it's a mucuna extract?) would notice all the benefits you mentioned.To each their own, but I stand by what I said. I, and hundreds of others, have noted improved libido, happiness, confidence, energy, etc while on Test1fy and other well-formulated boosters. I have not, nor would I ever, claim that Test1fy will significantly raise every user's test...I will, however, continue to share my experiences, the science that shows the myriad benefits of the ingredients, and thus, why I think the product may be useful for certain people.
Any other products that you have ran to compare it to? You can almost get 2 months of Alphamax XT, which has an open lable, for price of 1 month Thrust.Magnums "Thrust" is the best I've come across. Great reviews from customers and great reviews online. If you stack it with some DAA there really isn't a better option out there.
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