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Would ArA be more effective on a bulk or a cut? Currently running EC and considering adding ArA if there are no adverse interactions/ if they complement each other. Otherwise should I run them separately?
 
Beta said:
Would ArA be more effective on a bulk or a cut? Currently running EC and considering adding ArA if there are no adverse interactions/ if they complement each other. Otherwise should I run them separately?
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I still mid my first stack while cutting, though there are benefits to running it during both a bulk and a cut. It would help retain lean mass or possibly gain depending on your situation while cutting, and would be sick on a bulk because that's when your actually gaining strength and lean mass which it will assist in.
 
Which one do you guys feel is a better ArA supplement. X-gels from SNS or Arachidonic Acid from Enhanced Athlete? X-gels give you 250mg of ArA per capsule and Enhanced Athelete gives you 350mg per capsule.

Enhanced Athlete is way cheaper than X-gels
 
Rockzilla said:
I'm on my 18th day of ArA, and like 4 1/2 weeks in to ABE, and was on Tr1umph prior to starting ArA. I have to say it's quite sick. The pumps are ridiculous, I feel fuller and bigger. Even being on a calorie deficit for most of it, ESPECIALLY on the days I have pigged out a little bit more. Being 5'9 184 around 14-16% BF, 1G has been awesome, I believe enhancing the effects of ArA should take priority then taking more ArA. Since I've been in the adv'd stack since the beginning, I have finally decided to add HCA. Nutraplanet has SNS HCa for like $6 a bottle right now, so I bought 5.

But this brings up another question, just to meet the minimum 2G HCA, I'll be popping atleast 7 of these pills. Does anyone know of a near decent price, bigger bang for your buck of HCA? This seems already hard to beat considering how much I paid.
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Awesome! The pumps are insane aren't they! Wish I could run ArA right now but I'm working on fixing my herniated disk. I really miss the pumps and fullness.

SNS makes a HCA supp dosed at 500mg/pill so you would only have to take 4.
 
jtmass said:
Which one do you guys feel is a better ArA supplement. X-gels from SNS or Arachidonic Acid from Enhanced Athlete? X-gels give you 250mg of ArA per capsule and Enhanced Athelete gives you 350mg per capsule.

Enhanced Athlete is way cheaper than X-gels
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I would not risk Enhanced Athletes ArA. I can't even find their label so see what 10% their ArA is. That is very shady and makes me think it is probably like 10%. I think the powdeder can only be up to 10% (can't exactly remember, but it's not as high as liquid, which is usually 40%). So it's probably really not cheaper. It's actually probably MUCH more expensive.

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warbird01 said:
Awesome! The pumps are insane aren't they! Wish I could run ArA right now but I'm working on fixing my herniated disk. I really miss the pumps and fullness.

SNS makes a HCA supp dosed at 500mg/pill so you would only have to take 4.
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That sucks, I can relate to wanting to lift but recovering from surgery(varicocelectomy).

I already have SNS garcinia cambogia. It's 500mgs of garcinia cambogia at 60% HCA. So it's only 300mgs per pill.
 
warbird01 said:
I would not risk Enhanced Athletes ArA. I can't even find their label so see what 10% their ArA is. That is very shady and makes me think it is probably like 10%. I think the powdeder can only be up to 10% (can't exactly remember, but it's not as high as liquid, which is usually 40%). So it's probably really not cheaper. It's actually probably MUCH more expensive.

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I think I will take the risk.. if $40 goes Dow the drain, so be it. At least, I would be able to give an honest review about the ArA from Enhanced Athlete. When it comes to supplements, do you really trust fake spot? I mean, shouldn't you be trusting the review from users?
 
So, just placed an order for 2 bottles of ArA from Enhanced Athlete. I will try to create a log for the 6 weeks I am going to run this.. Going to continue with my staples during this run; Whey Concentrate, Creatine, Multi vitamin, ZMA. No pre-workout supplements, BCAA or Caffeine pills.
 
jtmass said:
So, just placed an order for 2 bottles of ArA from Enhanced Athlete. I will try to create a log for the 6 weeks I am going to run this.. Going to continue with my staples during this run; Whey Concentrate, Creatine, Multi vitamin, ZMA. No pre-workout supplements, BCAA or Caffeine pills.
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What is the total ARA per cap for that?

From a quick glance, they have a 1400mg blend that is 10% Ara (yielding 140mg of Ara per cap). Id say you need to take 7 caps to get close to 1g Ara oil?
 
jtmass said:
I think I will take the risk.. if $40 goes Dow the drain, so be it. At least, I would be able to give an honest review about the ArA from Enhanced Athlete. When it comes to supplements, do you really trust fake spot? I mean, shouldn't you be trusting the review from users?
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Jiigzz said:
What is the total ARA per cap for that?

From a quick glance, they have a 1400mg blend that is 10% Ara (yielding 140mg of Ara per cap). Id say you need to take 7 caps to get close to 1g Ara oil?
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350mg per cap at 10% so 35mg ArA per cap. So you need to take like a 28 caps to get 1g of ArA LOL. So the whole bottle has about four 1g doses.

So x gels gets you 25 doses of 1g for $40 and Enhanced Athlete ArA gets you 4 doses of 1g for $40. Enhanced Athlete ArA is about 625% more expensive than X gels.

I think I got the math right. Enhanced Athlete looks like they try to hide their labels but I was able to zoom in on one on Amazon.
 
warbird01 said:
350mg per cap at 10% so 35mg ArA per cap. So you need to take like a 28 caps to get 1g of ArA LOL. So the whole bottle has about four 1g doses.

So x gels gets you 25 doses of 1g for $40 and Enhanced Athlete ArA gets you 4 doses of 1g for $40. Enhanced Athlete ArA is about 625% more expensive than X gels.

I think I got the math right. Enhanced Athlete looks like they try to hide their labels but I was able to zoom in on one on Amazon.
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True.. the supplement facts were covered.. I am just doing this to see if it works.. Since everyone here has used X-gels, I have no doubt it's very effective. If Enhanced works or not, my next cycle of ArA will be x-gels.. Trying this only cuz nobody has given a review about this here..
 
jtmass said:
True.. the supplement facts were covered.. I am just doing this to see if it works.. Since everyone here has used X-gels, I have no doubt it's very effective. If Enhanced works or not, my next cycle of ArA will be x-gels.. Trying this only cuz nobody has given a review about this here..
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We all learn the lesson you just learned at some point in our lifting careers. Hella shady companies out there. Hopefully the 140mg of ArA per dose that Enhanced Athlete provides at least gives you a pump.

No one has given it a review here is becuase the company is a scam unfortunately. I would try to return it if I were you.
 
Hi. Have a few questions... Jiigzz

After how many doses should you feel it working?

After how long can you use vitargo after taken x-gels? 30min?

Will mk677 @20mg dosed before bed, affect in any way the ARA taken in the morning?
 
warbird01 said:
350mg per cap at 10% so 35mg ArA per cap. So you need to take like a 28 caps to get 1g of ArA LOL. So the whole bottle has about four 1g doses.

So x gels gets you 25 doses of 1g for $40 and Enhanced Athlete ArA gets you 4 doses of 1g for $40. Enhanced Athlete ArA is about 625% more expensive than X gels.

I think I got the math right. Enhanced Athlete looks like they try to hide their labels but I was able to zoom in on one on Amazon.
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Ooh I misread that. I may send them an email because their marketing of it and calling it similar to X Factor and therefore X Gels is just a blatant lie
 
What if i got my hands on Sns X gels that were "best by" 12/15?? Does the potency go down or no science to determine whether or not they would even be worth taking or safe to take for that matter
 
ZachH said:
What if i got my hands on Sns X gels that were "best by" 12/15?? Does the potency go down or no science to determine whether or not they would even be worth taking or safe to take for that matter
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It is an oil, so it depends on how they were stored. Polyunsaturates are reasonably unstable but can be used as long as they have been stored and handled correctly
 
Jiigzz said:
It is an oil, so it depends on how they were stored. Polyunsaturates are reasonably unstable but can be used as long as they have been stored and handled correctly
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So it couldn't be unsafe to take?? Just possibly not as effective?
 
Jiigzz said:
Ooh I misread that. I may send them an email because their marketing of it and calling it similar to X Factor and therefore X Gels is just a blatant lie
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It is similar to X gels in the way a beach at an ocean is similar to a grain of sand in my pocket lol
 
ZachH said:
So it couldn't be unsafe to take?? Just possibly not as effective?
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Yeah, that is exactly right. If you can get them for a good deal, it might be worth a gamble. This applies to fish oil as well given their structures.
 
warbird01 said:
We all learn the lesson you just learned at some point in our lifting careers. Hella shady companies out there. Hopefully the 140mg of ArA per dose that Enhanced Athlete provides at least gives you a pump.

No one has given it a review here is becuase the company is a scam unfortunately. I would try to return it if I were you.
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Actually, I got a good look at the bottle. It doesn't say 10% yield. It only says 10% of ArA Fermented from Mortierella Alpina.. I can't post the pic cuz I don't have 100posts.. but, check out in Amazon. There are quite a few reviews (non sponsored) on YouTube.
 
jtmass said:
Actually, I got a good look at the bottle. It doesn't say 10% yield. It only says 10% of ArA Fermented from Mortierella Alpina.. I can't post the pic cuz I don't have 100posts.. but, check out in Amazon. There are quite a few reviews (non sponsored) on YouTube.
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The fact that is doesn't even have a % ArA just enforces that the company is most likely a scam.

As I recall, powdered ArA can't be make at higher than 10% anyway.

Cell Tech also has a lot of good review online. Plecebo is a hell of a drug.
 
warbird01 said:
The fact that is doesn't even have a % ArA just enforces that the company is most likely a scam.

As I recall, powdered ArA can't be make at higher than 10% anyway.

Cell Tech also has a lot of good review online. Plecebo is a hell of a drug.
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LOL.. agree with Placebo..
 
jtmass said:
LOL.. agree with Placebo..
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Good look with your cycle though. if you end up liking the Enhanced Athlete ArA, you will LOVE x gels!
 
If running Arachidonic Acid i will always go with X-Factor or X-Gels, i remember a bulk powder supplier over here started selling a powdered version which was low dosed so a con compared to the already available soft gel oil versions.

Many companies will be making knock offs,
 
dallasboy22 said:
Can you start a run with ARA in pct? Or wait till pct is over?
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Yes you can. I usually start ArA the week before I start my PCT so that in week 2 of your PCT (when the going gets tough), the ArA starts kicking in.
 
Rad83 said:
....I know this is non-hormonal, but has anyone experienced hair loss?
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Two of some of the side effects of high levels of Omega-6 in the system are "funky" finger/toe nails (wavy, depressions, etc...) and hair loss. I had both of those taking (IIRC) 1.5g/day. Nails went back to normal, but the spot (only had one spot, size of about a golf ball) where the hair fell out, remained. Now, it is 100% possible that the hair loss was a genetic "just my time" thing, but my stuff grows like a weed everywhere else, with no further, spreading, loss. You would think the follicles would recover upon cessation, but who knows? But I think I'm the only one on this whole board who has seen possible hair issues with ArA, so take it with a HUGE grain of salt - but I don't use it anymore, just in case.
 
Thanks for the honest reply....It's something to think about :/

1.5 grams is the higher end of the spectrum tho, correct?

I'm most likely gonna start with just 2 gels pre workout. I'm 5' 8" 162, not sure I'd need as much as someone bigger?
 
Rad83 said:
Thanks for the honest reply....It's something to think about :/

1.5 grams is the higher end of the spectrum tho, correct?

I'm most likely gonna start with just 2 gels pre workout. I'm 5' 8" 162, not sure I'd need as much as someone bigger?
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Brother, always use the Googles with Examine or Suppversity in the search terms :D

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My suggestion is to take it as per recommended dose on the bottle (which is 1gm). Everything in moderation is better. It may take a little longer, but it's better that way. Start with half the dosage and see how your body responds first.
 
Question:

Last year I developed a soft tissue muscle tear in my glute. It has been about a year working through it with rehab and stuff and it is getting better to the point where I am almost able to lift without any irritation whatsoever. Almost healed. I'm not taking any special anti-inflammatories or any shots for it so I am assuming my normal diet and training/rehab has been healing it.

If I start ArA, since it is a strong inflammatory, would that have ANY affect on my previous injury at this point? The last thing I want to do is have it flare back up again. I plan to take ABE with this but don't want to take anything if there is a chance my injury will come back.
 
Rad83 said:
Thanks for the honest reply....It's something to think about :/

1.5 grams is the higher end of the spectrum tho, correct?

I'm most likely gonna start with just 2 gels pre workout. I'm 5' 8" 162, not sure I'd need as much as someone bigger?
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Start w/ 1g on workout days and work up to 1.5g if you want to.

Never heard of anyone having hair loss issues (except I guess now The Old Guy).
 
Has anyone ever taken the fat burner Ignit3 by Olympus Labs. I got a few sample packs and really liked it. It contains St. Johns Wart extract, which I read can have anti inflammatory effects. Anyone taken Ignit3 with ARA or St. Johns Wart with ARA who can say if it should be avoided?
 
warbird01 said:
Start w/ 1g on workout days and work up to 1.5g if you want to.

Never heard of anyone having hair loss issues (except I guess now The Old Guy).
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Alright my dude, goin with 4 gels!

...Intra workout I drink Juiced Aminos.
Doesn't have any carbs, tho will it have any negative effect on the ArA? It does have carnitine!

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kpeaceoutbye said:
Question:

Last year I developed a soft tissue muscle tear in my glute. It has been about a year working through it with rehab and stuff and it is getting better to the point where I am almost able to lift without any irritation whatsoever. Almost healed. I'm not taking any special anti-inflammatories or any shots for it so I am assuming my normal diet and training/rehab has been healing it.
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Sounds like you're so close to being ! ...I would wait until you can fully crush it with no pain, until starting ArA.
Maybe some epicat. and/or laxo. would be a good run now to fully heal,...then go with the gels...
 
Rad83 said:
Alright my dude, goin with 4 gels!

...Intra workout I drink Juiced Aminos.
Doesn't have any carbs, tho will it have any negative effect on the ArA? It does have carnitine!

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Sorry for taking a while ot get back to you. Just finished up my last final EVER! Juiced Aminos look gtg!
 
Not getting any crazy doms with 4 gels pre...

Should I add a baby aspirin ?

Bump it to 5 gels?

Or both?

Thanks!
 
Rad83 said:
Not getting any crazy doms with 4 gels pre...

Should I add a baby aspirin ?

Bump it to 5 gels?

Or both?

Thanks!
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You might not get an increase in doms, but do take with aspirin/ carnitine!
 
Rad83 said:
Not getting any crazy doms with 4 gels pre...

Should I add a baby aspirin ?

Bump it to 5 gels?

Or both?

Thanks!
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Not everyone gets increased DOMs. I actually don't. Definitely add the baby aspirin in though.
 
On my 4th week of my first xgel run, this week I upped the dosage to 6 gels and the doms are ridiculous. Current stack is abe/x-gels/tr1umph. Started seeing some great results this week. Looking forward to the next couple of weeks!
 
Chudmuffin said:
On my 4th week of my first xgel run, this week I upped the dosage to 6 gels and the doms are ridiculous. Current stack is abe/x-gels/tr1umph. Started seeing some great results this week. Looking forward to the next couple of weeks!
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Love it! Excellent! Considering upping to 5, I'm on my first week with 4 and a baby asp. pre...
 
Rad83 said:
Love it! Excellent! Considering upping to 5, I'm on my first week with 4 and a baby asp. pre...
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I started with 4 for the first 2 weeks then 5 on the third and 6 this week and the jump from 5 to 6 was way more noticeable than from 4 to 5. I am also a bigger guy (6'5 230lbs) so I think 6 is perfect for me.
 
Rad83 said:
Doesn't aspirin reduce inflammation? Curious, why would we want that?
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Baby aspirin inhibits COX1 but not 2 which is the pathway Ara works through
 
Well some neck and upper back pain has kicked in....it kinda sucks! Stiff neck sorta....Gonna stick it out of course
 
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