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The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

Yes, Optima is good to go. However, the estimate of PA is pretty optimistic. SL is not standardized to PA, so it remains a guesstimate. But there should be at least 4% of PA
 
mbonheur said:
Yes, Optima is good to go. However, the estimate of PA is pretty optimistic. SL is not standardized to PA, so it remains a guesstimate. But there should be at least 4% of PA
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Yeah... It's possible!

But at the price I get it, if I have to do 2 spoons, I might as well buy OL TRIUMPH... ?
 
vascopro said:
Yeah... It's possible!

But at the price I get it, if I have to do 2 spoons, I might as well buy OL TRIUMPH... ?
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Where are you located? Normally you should get 500g for around 10€/£. I live in Belgium, I can get for less than nine euros. Triumph can never be cheaper (at least in my case)
 
vascopro said:
Portugal. Amazon UK... And with shipping was more like 20!!
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I checked quickly lecitina de soja and found some Portuguese websites where you can find it between 10-15 €. I think you would be better off to google it. Soy lecithin is soy lecithin everywhere in general
 
vascopro said:
But most of them don't even say how much PA they have per serving...
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It does not matter. It should have at least 97% phosphadites, which was the case for the first products I found. The number of PA is only a guess anyways. There are between 4-8% PA in a such a product. If you hesitate, you can send me a link, and I can tell whether it is fine or not
 
mbonheur said:
It does not matter. It should have at least 97% phosphadites, which was the case for the first products I found. The number of PA is only a guess anyways. There are between 4-8% PA in a such a product. If you hesitate, you can send me a link, and I can tell whether it is fine or not
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Thanks!! ?

I still have half a tub of PA and I just ordered 2x OL Conquer...

After this not sure yet!
 
1kerry said:
GUYS, here at mexico I cant get 81mg aspirin, does 100mg would do the trick? Thanks!
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It needs to be baby aspirin to avoid limiting the pathway in which Ara works.

I would opt for a carnitine source instead.

Edit: I will change this. 100mg of Aspirin will be fine. It is a much better anti-thrombotic than anti-inflammatory (COX-1 inhibition vs. COX 2 inhibition) by a large factor. You'll be GTG.
 
Jiigzz said:
It needs to be baby aspirin to avoid limiting the pathway in which Ara works.

I would opt for a carnitine source instead.

Edit: I will change this. 100mg of Aspirin will be fine. It is a much better anti-thrombotic than anti-inflammatory (COX-1 inhibition vs. COX 2 inhibition) by a large factor. You'll be GTG.
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awesome! Actually I found somo expired baby aspirine from dec 2015 =)

But will buy the 100mg

Thanks for your time!
 
Could Endur3+ be taken the same time as ARA? I work out in the AM and prefer taking Endur3+ 1 hour pre rather than intra. I eat a meal post workout. What would be my best course here? Based on the information study with Carb10 it showed almost no insulin response. This seems to suggest the effect on ARA would be minimal?

Current setup:
4:00: Endur3+
415: ARA
4:15-5:00: Stretching/Warmup
5:00 Start lifting
6:30 Breakfast
 
The Whizard said:
Could Endur3+ be taken the same time as ARA? I work out in the AM and prefer taking Endur3+ 1 hour pre rather than intra. I eat a meal post workout. What would be my best course here? Based on the information study with Carb10 it showed almost no insulin response. This seems to suggest the effect on ARA would be minimal?

Current setup:
4:00: Endur3+
415: ARA
4:15-5:00: Stretching/Warmup
5:00 Start lifting
6:30 Breakfast
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Im struggling to find a text that demonstrates what is displayed in the marketing poster for carb10. Anyone have any further info? I'm not convinced there is no insulin spike with Endure+ given the other ingredients.
 
Jiigzz said:
Im struggling to find a text that demonstrates what is displayed in the marketing poster for carb10. Anyone have any further info? I'm not convinced there is no insulin spike with Endure+ given the other ingredients.
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I don't have anything off-hand beyond what you have already seen.
 
GNO said:
I don't have anything off-hand beyond what you have already seen.
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The marketing poster has seemingly referenced a text without linking to that text which is odd.

Id say dose the Xgels 45 mins pre, then use the endure after a warm up. Simple solution :D
 
Sorry I didn't go through all 88 pages to find the answer to this but how do you guys think this should be dosed on workout/non workout days? Should you just take a heavy dose like 2 grams pre workout on workout days only and not take any on off days? Or is it more effective to take 1 gram every day? Or how about taking 1.5 grams pre workout and .5 grams on off days? Just wondering if anyone has ideas or experience with the dosing.
 
210LBS said:
Sorry I didn't go through all 88 pages to find the answer to this but how do you guys think this should be dosed on workout/non workout days? Should you just take a heavy dose like 2 grams pre workout on workout days only and not take any on off days? Or is it more effective to take 1 gram every day? Or how about taking 1.5 grams pre workout and .5 grams on off days? Just wondering if anyone has ideas or experience with the dosing.
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Lifting days only is common protocol, 1-2g pre workout

Note that you need to then be lifting 5+ days a week IMO, to not need dosing on off days
 
Driven2lift said:
Lifting days only is common protocol, 1-2g pre workout

Note that you need to then be lifting 5+ days a week IMO, to not need dosing on off days
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Thanks for the reply. Let's say you only lift 3 or 4 days per week. Would it be more beneficial to do something like 2 grams on workout days and .5-1 gram on non workout days, or keep it a flat 1 or 1.5 grams everyday?
 
I'll let others chime in with their anecdote on that;
Ideally it's run 50 strait days.

You'd still get all the acute benefits but ARA has just as many benefits or more from maintaining saturated levels.

Personally, I choose to still dose on off days and I lift 6 days a week

You could go 1.5 on lift days and 1 on off days maybe
 
Driven2lift said:
I'll let others chime in with their anecdote on that;
Ideally it's run 50 strait days.

You'd still get all the acute benefits but ARA has just as many benefits or more from maintaining saturated levels.

Personally, I choose to still dose on off days and I lift 6 days a week

You could go 1.5 on lift days and 1 on off days maybe
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This is the way I have run it in the past. I found it worked best for me to stay saturated.
 
Well ideally it would be either 1.5 grams on workout days and .75 grams on non workout days or just 1 gram everyday based on using 2 bottles over 50 days. The other option would be to buy a third bottle and use 2 grams on workout days and 1 gram on non workout days.
 
210LBS said:
Thanks for the reply. Let's say you only lift 3 or 4 days per week. Would it be more beneficial to do something like 2 grams on workout days and .5-1 gram on non workout days, or keep it a flat 1 or 1.5 grams everyday?
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I have run x gels working out 4 and 5 days a week. Never noticed a difference with just dosing on workout days. 1-2g as well.
 
warbird01 said:
I have run x gels working out 4 and 5 days a week. Never noticed a difference with just dosing on workout days. 1-2g as well.
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Thanks. I have heard of a lot of people using it only on workout days, however I will only be weight training 3 days per week for my bulk. So, I think I'll get 2 bottles and do 1.5 grams on the lifting days and 0.75 grams on non lifting days. Depending on the results and impact on my joints, the next time I may run 3 bottles upping the dosage.
 
210LBS said:
Thanks. I have heard of a lot of people using it only on workout days, however I will only be weight training 3 days per week for my bulk. So, I think I'll get 2 bottles and do 1.5 grams on the lifting days and 0.75 grams on non lifting days. Depending on the results and impact on my joints, the next time I may run 3 bottles upping the dosage.
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Ah, in that case I would def. run it one at least one off day. Probably safest to do the .75 on off days. I have an x gels cycle I have planned in 6 months where I only will be able to workout 3 days a week and planning on doing something like your set up. Good luck!
 
I intend to do a slight recomp/lean bulk after my cut is over in 5 weeks or so. What I want to ask is this - ArA is supposed to be taken on an empty stomach. Does this mean that one also can't use a pre-workout supplement when taking it?

Also, what would be a good stack to go along with ArA? Follidrone 2.0? Some test booster?
 
ARA is very stackeable with FD2 and test booster. Personally, I'm in week 2 with FD2, AXT and MAN PR-XT. Waiting my order from nutri of ARA that was seized by customs 1 month ago!!!! Thanks very much Spanish customs!!!!!
However, those 2 weeks have been awesome: leaning effect, well being, improved sleep and I'm eating carbs like crazy with no bloat. And zero issues.
 
Dersu86 said:
I intend to do a slight recomp/lean bulk after my cut is over in 5 weeks or so. What I want to ask is this - ArA is supposed to be taken on an empty stomach. Does this mean that one also can't use a pre-workout supplement when taking it?

Also, what would be a good stack to go along with ArA? Follidrone 2.0? Some test booster?
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It is supposed to be taken on an empty stomach. If you eat before your workout, it's recommended to take your dose after your first set. However, I always eat before my workout and take it 30-45 mins before my workout and still have great results.

And it's suggested to only take it on workout days as long as you are working out 4+ days per week.
 
phoenix4 said:
ARA is very stackeable with FD2 and test booster. Personally, I'm in week 2 with FD2, AXT and MAN PR-XT. Waiting my order from nutri of ARA that was seized by customs 1 month ago!!!! Thanks very much Spanish customs!!!!!
However, those 2 weeks have been awesome: leaning effect, well being, improved sleep and I'm eating carbs like crazy with no bloat. And zero issues.
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As he said, a test booster and epicatechin would work well with ArA.

You might also look into other supplements discussed earlier in the thread: emulsification agents (either GMS or Soy Lecithin), Carnitine salts, etc.
 
I just ordered 2 bottles of X gels. I was tempted to get 3 bottles for the cycle but I'm not sure my joints would be able to handle those high doses anyway and then I'd be stuck with the bottle. I'll probably be starting it next week at 1.5 grams on lifting days and 0.75 grams on off days.
 
I run ARA (X-gels) for the first time now solo just to see the results alone. And I have to say this **** works.

I only do 1 gram(4 caps) on workout days. But I workout almost every day. At least 4+.

I'm like on My 14/25 workouts, going for 50 (2 bottles) going to stack Epicat And Laxo for the next bottle of Ara.

I have tried the empty stomach And with pwo meal.

You will feel the pump much much more if you have a empty stomach.And I always drink pwo drink.

The pumps are really amazing! I see veins I never have seen. But the DOMS everybody is talking about Isent there. Its the other way for me, Before the Ara run I was getting DOMS after every singel workout. But that has almost gone away. :-)

But Thats just me. Good luck guys! :-)
 
I'm curious how we've changed the cycle length from 50 straight days to 50 workout days. If the product works via saturation in your body then you're saturated for longer than the study deemed safe.
 
The Whizard said:
I'm curious how we've changed the cycle length from 50 straight days to 50 workout days. If the product works via saturation in your body then you're saturated for longer than the study deemed safe.
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I wondered that too. I'm only going to be working out 3 days per week so I'll do 1.5 grams on workout days and 0.75 grams on off days to stay saturated. If I ran it like that for 50 workout days then that would be a lot of money and potential DOMS and joint pain.
 
The Whizard said:
I'm curious how we've changed the cycle length from 50 straight days to 50 workout days. If the product works via saturation in your body then you're saturated for longer than the study deemed safe.
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210LBS said:
I wondered that too. I'm only going to be working out 3 days per week so I'll do 1.5 grams on workout days and 0.75 grams on off days to stay saturated. If I ran it like that for 50 workout days then that would be a lot of money and potential DOMS and joint pain.
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When you take it preworkout it is more preferentially deposited into skeletal muscle tissue, which is where you want it for maximum results. I don't believe this would make it more unsafe.

I also don't see why it would be more expensive to run it that way.
 
Not more unsafe, but it seems people reference the previous study which was ran for 50 straight days to claim ARA is only safe for 50 days.
 
I completely understand and agree taken preworkout it will be sent better to where we want it, but what changed everyone's mind from 50 straight days to 50 workout days when it works via saturation? Depending on your workout schedule you could be saturated twice that timeframe or more which wasn't tested in the study to my knowledge.
 
Misfit28 said:
When you take it preworkout it is more preferentially deposited into skeletal muscle tissue, which is where you want it for maximum results. I don't believe this would make it more unsafe.

I also don't see why it would be more expensive to run it that way.
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I meant it's more expensive to run it 50 workout days if you are supplementing on non workout days to stay saturated.
 
The Whizard said:
I completely understand and agree taken preworkout it will be sent better to where we want it, but what changed everyone's mind from 50 straight days to 50 workout days when it works via saturation? Depending on your workout schedule you could be saturated twice that timeframe or more which wasn't tested in the study to my knowledge.
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Because most people want a better cost:benefit ratio, and it made sense to limit dosing to only on days where you were training - similiar to creatine.
 
My X gels bottles notes that some people only use it on workout days but mentions that the studies conducted were on non workout days also. They also mention that advanced users can take up to 6 pills per day. 6 pills per day times 7 days a week and we're talking like 3 bottles per cycle.
 
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