bruno.camilo
Member
No problem, i used Clomid + ARA + Turkesterone + Multi-Vitamin as PCT. ARA is the best natty sup i've ever used.
A pitty it needs to be cycled.
The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide
- Thread starter Jiigzz
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No problem, i used Clomid + ARA + Turkesterone + Multi-Vitamin as PCT. ARA is the best natty sup i've ever used.
A pitty it needs to be cycled.
nikosktm
Active member
thx for your help mate.. so i can take pre workout and ara at the same time before gym
abformulations
Legend
Of course.
Ptlhains
Active member
I have used expired ARA without a problem. I would give it a shot and expect full potency.
anthon88
Active member
Cool, thanks.
aaronuconn
Well-known member
I personally wouldn’t use it. I’m not saying it’s necessarily harmful of course, I just wouldn’t personally.
Side note: X-Gels are 30% off at the SNS site. Think it works out to like $35/bottle
aaronuconn
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Even better!
aaronuconn
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Little bit old, but good review:
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mechka_grizli
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rascal14
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X-Gels always did seem like they gave me some good mass, I'm a little scared to try it with my joints now lol
mechka_grizli
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Major bump and if you’re still around @Jiigzz, help me out. I’m only training 3 days a week currently, either mon/wed/fri or tues/thurs/sat. Is it worthwhile to only take on workout days with such low frequency? I know saturation is needed and conerned I wont reach it with only 3 days a week. I will add in that I work manual labor as my day job (loading cargo on planes, lot of lifting/carrying/throwing/stacking).
Jiigzz
Legend
I think if you could squeak in 1 tab in a non-workout day then you'd be golden. You can get away with not, but at 3 days I'd be at 1.5g workout days
mechka_grizli
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I plan to run 1.5g pre workout anyway. Was just wondering if I needed to throw a non workout dose in
BCseacow83
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I posted this on another board:
They checked for inflammation markers:
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The third placebo-controlled study on Arachidonic Acid (ARA) supplementation in resistance-trained subjects has just been published (1). For those unfamiliar, ARA is a polyunsaturated fatty acid from the omega-6 family. It is considered the most important of its class, and is involved in various...
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3. No/Reduced Inflammation.
Arachidonic acid is a substrate used by the body to make eicosanoids, which are involved in inflammation. This has lead to a popular misconception; ARA supplementation must promote inflammation. Numerous other studies have examined this, and come to similar conclusions. It doesn’t. Inflammation is a tightly regulated biological response, that is not simply initiated by consuming ARA. However, the misconception persists. Leaving almost no stone unturned, the Auckland study addresses this in extensive detail by looking for changes in a wide range of immune cell surface markers (ITGAM, ELANE, CEACAM8, CD68, CD163, CD206) and inflammatory cytokines (IL1B, IL6, CCL2, TNF), at both the systemic and local level. The result: there was no evidence of elevated inflammation with ARA supplementation in any marker tested, at either the systemic or tissue level. In fact, there was a modest reduction in blood monocyte counts, as well as PBMC mRNA expression of (ELANE) and CD66b (CEACAM8). As the researchers pointed out,
I have plenty of injuries and chronic pain and as long as I take x-gels preworkout only I have had zero systemic pain or joint issues. In the beginning, the developer, William Llewellyn, suggested no omega-3 intake while supplementing with ARA. I never abided by this and simply took them at different times of the day and the ARA only on workout days. I think the combination of significant strength gains(for a natural supplement) combined with daily dosing(as originally suggested to do) and the removal of all omega-3's and joint supplements(also originally suggested to do) is what caused some to initially report issues with joint pain.
1 whole egg has about 75mg of ARA, depending on size, and I believe this played a role in the success of high egg diets as prescribed by the likes of Vince Gironda and company. The combination of high-quality protein and an anabolic fatty acid was, and is, a pretty potent combination considering you can get them at the grocery store lol. ARA is also mandated by law to be in baby formula and that's when we make the best gains of our lives so it has to work right??? LOL
rascal14
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BigGame84
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Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.
Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778
I remember Glycerol Monostearate was very popular to run with it back in the day.
Smont
Legend
I'm using/logging ultimate R Andro right now, ARA is in that product.Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.
Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778
I'm not noticing any abnormal soreness anywhere. It's also got 7keto and androsterone so I can't tell exactly what's doing what but ..
Only thins I'm noticing is a little better strength and improved body composition
Smont
Legend
I have been having abnormal amount of nosebleeds lately but I think it's the weather. It's definitely not blood pressure or anything like that.
I do tend to get a lot of nose bleeds as The Summer's picking up and when the winter picks up when you got that transition into air conditioning or transition at the end of the year into the heat.
But seems a little more than normal
I do tend to get a lot of nose bleeds as The Summer's picking up and when the winter picks up when you got that transition into air conditioning or transition at the end of the year into the heat.
But seems a little more than normal
Smont
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BigGame84
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Well it's pro-inflammatory. So this could happen and why I've been avoiding it.
chainsaw
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Right it inflamed spots that caused me pain to the degree i would squat, really hammered my lower back
mechka_grizli
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The study that was just posted a few spots up seems to contradict this statement
chainsaw
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Right that's why the confusion
mechka_grizli
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Way back when, I had a personal friend of mine who is an actual scientist (or whateva they would be called professionally in this field) who’s heavily into supplements look at all the studies that were done on ARA. It was his opinion that ARA shouldn’t cause total systemic inflammation, that it just exacerbates the inflammatory response IN the muscle being worked. In your case, it would make sense that it caused your lower back some issues as our lower back is heavily involved in squats.
BigGame84
Well-known member
Ok, but still even with that conclusion, it's having a negative effect on your training.
mechka_grizli
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In his case, yes. But that doesnt apply to everyone.
mechka_grizli
Well-known member
No, taking ibuprofen would essentially render the ARA useless. I would instead find a different supplement
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.
Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778
https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/15900/serious-nutrition-x-gels-100-softgels.htm
$32 is heck of a deal for ARA/Xgels
as for myself i never had any joint issues but also know a person who couldnt last more then 3 days on it lol
so its very person dependent .. for those that can handle it, it'll be one of the best product.
I remember stacking this back in the day with PA and had great results.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.
Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778
It's not one that we really need to bring back to life bc its a consistent seller for us. I may do some multi-pack deals on it as part of the Summer of Supplements thread but I've been kind of disappointed at not having more posts and participation in that thread so I haven't done much with it yet for promos like that. Plus the July 4th sales just ended.
I think the reason that you don't see many logs on it is that its not new; but I agree, I would love to see more logs on it, and any of our products.
BigGame84
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I just picked up some X-gels from DPS. I think you should offer an X-gel/Phosphatidic Acid stack when that becomes available.
sns8778
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GQdaLEGEND
Legend
i ran that couple of times and was the best from what i remember
cant wait to do it again.
chainsaw
Well-known member
I would give Ara another run when you guys come out with phosphatidic xtThere's a very good chance that we will
rascal14
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I definitely don’t hear about it much anymore, but very glad to see it’s a consistent seller still. The sale was more of a joke, it’s very fairly priced for what you get.
BCseacow83
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I have NEVER had a single customer complain about joint pain on X-Factor and then X-gels and I have been recommending them to customers since they first came out years ago. I LOVE forums but I also think the extensive discussion of POTENTIAL side effects results in some people, not pointing at anyone here, getting placebo side effects.
I have stated this before but i have many long-term injuries/niggles/pain and x-gels at 6 sg pre workout 3-4 times a week makes zero difference in my pain.
I have stated this before but i have many long-term injuries/niggles/pain and x-gels at 6 sg pre workout 3-4 times a week makes zero difference in my pain.
sns8778
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I agree with you on it being way overexaggerated on the forums. I honestly don't remember ever having more than just a couple of emails from people about joint pain. DOMS - yes, bc that's what its supposed to do to a degree but rarely ever joint pain.
rascal14
Well-known member
I don't actually remember getting any when I ran it originally, just with injuries over the years now I was a bit hesitant but it is good to know its really a non issue.
I will likely use it during PCT for my next bulking cycle.
BCseacow83
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I have also used it POST WORKOUT with the same success and this MAY help IF you run into pain issues. My thought process is this: ARA builds up. It is the fact that athletes/lifters deplete ARA reserves that allows the compound to have its positive effects. So it builds up in the muscles and using it post in an environment where the trained muscle is getting preferential nutrient uptake as soon as recovery starts so the ARA is going to go where most of the blood flow is going and that is the muscle just trained. Once there it will build up and achieve, IME, the same overall effects as PRE with the exception of the increased pump many experience when dosing pre.
ironkill
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hipnfit
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Just started X-Gels for the first time and then found this thread. So, my Pre had consisted of 8g Citrulline Malate, 2g L-Carnitine Tartrate, 600mg VAS06 as a base ... currently taking Mitoburn & Recomp20, as well. I had been taking it with like 20g of carbs (for Carnitine). I am planning on adding the X-Gels at the same time, but then I found this thread with taking them fasted.
So, should I just ditch the carbs while taking X-Gels? I'm more interested in the possible androgen receptor effect of Carnitine than anything.
So, should I just ditch the carbs while taking X-Gels? I'm more interested in the possible androgen receptor effect of Carnitine than anything.