The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

I recently found an expired, unopened bottle of X factor buried in my supplement stash. I’ve used expired supps in the past but since this is an omega 6 I was wondering if it could potentially be rancid? It expired in 2015 lol
 
anthon88 said:
I recently found an expired, unopened bottle of X factor buried in my supplement stash. I’ve used expired supps in the past but since this is an omega 6 I was wondering if it could potentially be rancid? It expired in 2015 lol
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I have used expired ARA without a problem. I would give it a shot and expect full potency.
 
anthon88 said:
I recently found an expired, unopened bottle of X factor buried in my supplement stash. I’ve used expired supps in the past but since this is an omega 6 I was wondering if it could potentially be rancid? It expired in 2015 lol
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I personally wouldn’t use it. I’m not saying it’s necessarily harmful of course, I just wouldn’t personally.

Side note: X-Gels are 30% off at the SNS site. Think it works out to like $35/bottle
 
It's been over 8 years since I wrote the OP?!?! Woah
 
Major bump and if you’re still around @Jiigzz, help me out. I’m only training 3 days a week currently, either mon/wed/fri or tues/thurs/sat. Is it worthwhile to only take on workout days with such low frequency? I know saturation is needed and conerned I wont reach it with only 3 days a week. I will add in that I work manual labor as my day job (loading cargo on planes, lot of lifting/carrying/throwing/stacking).
 
mechka_grizli said:
Major bump and if you’re still around @Jiigzz, help me out. I’m only training 3 days a week currently, either mon/wed/fri or tues/thurs/sat. Is it worthwhile to only take on workout days with such low frequency? I know saturation is needed and conerned I wont reach it with only 3 days a week. I will add in that I work manual labor as my day job (loading cargo on planes, lot of lifting/carrying/throwing/stacking).
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I think if you could squeak in 1 tab in a non-workout day then you'd be golden. You can get away with not, but at 3 days I'd be at 1.5g workout days
 
How do you deal with inflammation while on ARA. For instance joint or tendon pain. Usually the go to was ibuprofen, but doesn't negate the ARA effects?
 
rascal14 said:
X-Gels always did seem like they gave me some good mass, I'm a little scared to try it with my joints now lol
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I posted this on another board:

They checked for inflammation markers:
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The third placebo-controlled study on Arachidonic Acid (ARA) supplementation in resistance-trained subjects has just been published (1). For those unfamiliar, ARA is a polyunsaturated fatty acid from the omega-6 family. It is considered the most important of its class, and is involved in various...
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3. No/Reduced Inflammation.
Arachidonic acid is a substrate used by the body to make eicosanoids, which are involved in inflammation. This has lead to a popular misconception; ARA supplementation must promote inflammation. Numerous other studies have examined this, and come to similar conclusions. It doesn’t. Inflammation is a tightly regulated biological response, that is not simply initiated by consuming ARA. However, the misconception persists. Leaving almost no stone unturned, the Auckland study addresses this in extensive detail by looking for changes in a wide range of immune cell surface markers (ITGAM, ELANE, CEACAM8, CD68, CD163, CD206) and inflammatory cytokines (IL1B, IL6, CCL2, TNF), at both the systemic and local level. The result: there was no evidence of elevated inflammation with ARA supplementation in any marker tested, at either the systemic or tissue level. In fact, there was a modest reduction in blood monocyte counts, as well as PBMC mRNA expression of (ELANE) and CD66b (CEACAM8). As the researchers pointed out,
“These changes would appear to reflect, if anything, a reduced basal systemic inflammatory response… These findings do not support the common assertion that heightened dietary intake and tissue abundance of ARA will promote chronic inflammation in otherwise healthy individuals.”
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I have plenty of injuries and chronic pain and as long as I take x-gels preworkout only I have had zero systemic pain or joint issues. In the beginning, the developer, William Llewellyn, suggested no omega-3 intake while supplementing with ARA. I never abided by this and simply took them at different times of the day and the ARA only on workout days. I think the combination of significant strength gains(for a natural supplement) combined with daily dosing(as originally suggested to do) and the removal of all omega-3's and joint supplements(also originally suggested to do) is what caused some to initially report issues with joint pain.

1 whole egg has about 75mg of ARA, depending on size, and I believe this played a role in the success of high egg diets as prescribed by the likes of Vince Gironda and company. The combination of high-quality protein and an anabolic fatty acid was, and is, a pretty potent combination considering you can get them at the grocery store lol. ARA is also mandated by law to be in baby formula and that's when we make the best gains of our lives so it has to work right??? LOL
 
It's been years since I've last used X-Factor/X-gels. I feel like my joints did bother me on it but I'm kinda intrigued to try another run since it's probably been since 2014.
 
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.

Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778 :)
 
rascal14 said:
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.

Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778 :)
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I remember Glycerol Monostearate was very popular to run with it back in the day.
 
rascal14 said:
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.

Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778 :)
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I'm using/logging ultimate R Andro right now, ARA is in that product.

I'm not noticing any abnormal soreness anywhere. It's also got 7keto and androsterone so I can't tell exactly what's doing what but ..

Only thins I'm noticing is a little better strength and improved body composition
 
I have been having abnormal amount of nosebleeds lately but I think it's the weather. It's definitely not blood pressure or anything like that.

I do tend to get a lot of nose bleeds as The Summer's picking up and when the winter picks up when you got that transition into air conditioning or transition at the end of the year into the heat.

But seems a little more than normal
 
But why the headaches? I remember when I took it before I had flare ups in my lower back pain and got tendonitis in my forearms
 
chainsaw said:
Right that's why the confusion
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Way back when, I had a personal friend of mine who is an actual scientist (or whateva they would be called professionally in this field) who’s heavily into supplements look at all the studies that were done on ARA. It was his opinion that ARA shouldn’t cause total systemic inflammation, that it just exacerbates the inflammatory response IN the muscle being worked. In your case, it would make sense that it caused your lower back some issues as our lower back is heavily involved in squats.
 
mechka_grizli said:
Way back when, I had a personal friend of mine who is an actual scientist (or whateva they would be called professionally in this field) who’s heavily into supplements look at all the studies that were done on ARA. It was his opinion that ARA shouldn’t cause total systemic inflammation, that it just exacerbates the inflammatory response IN the muscle being worked. In your case, it would make sense that it caused your lower back some issues as our lower back is heavily involved in squats.
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Ok, but still even with that conclusion, it's having a negative effect on your training.
 
rascal14 said:
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.

Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778 :)
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https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/15900/serious-nutrition-x-gels-100-softgels.htm
$32 is heck of a deal for ARA/Xgels


as for myself i never had any joint issues but also know a person who couldnt last more then 3 days on it lol

so its very person dependent .. for those that can handle it, it'll be one of the best product.

I remember stacking this back in the day with PA and had great results.
 
Taking preworkout I would have crazy vascularity and pumps. But never gained much and would always catch a cold at some point. Maybe it's me but intrigued to try again...
 
rascal14 said:
Yes I haven’t ran since 2014.. I personally don’t remember any joint issues unless it was placebo, but that research is good to know.

Id like for it to make a comeback, I want to see more logs ran on it. Maybe a re-introduction sale to bring it back to life? @sns8778 :)
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It's not one that we really need to bring back to life bc its a consistent seller for us. I may do some multi-pack deals on it as part of the Summer of Supplements thread but I've been kind of disappointed at not having more posts and participation in that thread so I haven't done much with it yet for promos like that. Plus the July 4th sales just ended.

I think the reason that you don't see many logs on it is that its not new; but I agree, I would love to see more logs on it, and any of our products.
 
sns8778 said:
It's not one that we really need to bring back to life bc its a consistent seller for us. I may do some multi-pack deals on it as part of the Summer of Supplements thread but I've been kind of disappointed at not having more posts and participation in that thread so I haven't done much with it yet for promos like that. Plus the July 4th sales just ended.

I think the reason that you don't see many logs on it is that its not new; but I agree, I would love to see more logs on it, and any of our products.
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I just picked up some X-gels from DPS. I think you should offer an X-gel/Phosphatidic Acid stack when that becomes available.
 
BigGame84 said:
I just picked up some X-gels from DPS. I think you should offer an X-gel/Phosphatidic Acid stack when that becomes available.
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There's a very good chance that we will :)
 
BigGame84 said:
I just picked up some X-gels from DPS. I think you should offer an X-gel/Phosphatidic Acid stack when that becomes available.
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i ran that couple of times and was the best from what i remember
cant wait to do it again.
 
sns8778 said:
It's not one that we really need to bring back to life bc its a consistent seller for us. I may do some multi-pack deals on it as part of the Summer of Supplements thread but I've been kind of disappointed at not having more posts and participation in that thread so I haven't done much with it yet for promos like that. Plus the July 4th sales just ended.

I think the reason that you don't see many logs on it is that its not new; but I agree, I would love to see more logs on it, and any of our products.
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I definitely don’t hear about it much anymore, but very glad to see it’s a consistent seller still. The sale was more of a joke, it’s very fairly priced for what you get.
 
I have NEVER had a single customer complain about joint pain on X-Factor and then X-gels and I have been recommending them to customers since they first came out years ago. I LOVE forums but I also think the extensive discussion of POTENTIAL side effects results in some people, not pointing at anyone here, getting placebo side effects.

I have stated this before but i have many long-term injuries/niggles/pain and x-gels at 6 sg pre workout 3-4 times a week makes zero difference in my pain.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I have NEVER had a single customer complain about joint pain on X-Factor and then X-gels and I have been recommending them to customers since they first came out years ago. I LOVE forums but I also think the extensive discussion of POTENTIAL side effects results in some people, not pointing at anyone here, getting placebo side effects.

I have stated this before but i have many long-term injuries/niggles/pain and x-gels at 6 sg pre workout 3-4 times a week makes zero difference in my pain.
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I agree with you on it being way overexaggerated on the forums. I honestly don't remember ever having more than just a couple of emails from people about joint pain. DOMS - yes, bc that's what its supposed to do to a degree but rarely ever joint pain.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I have NEVER had a single customer complain about joint pain on X-Factor and then X-gels and I have been recommending them to customers since they first came out years ago. I LOVE forums but I also think the extensive discussion of POTENTIAL side effects results in some people, not pointing at anyone here, getting placebo side effects.

I have stated this before but i have many long-term injuries/niggles/pain and x-gels at 6 sg pre workout 3-4 times a week makes zero difference in my pain.
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I don't actually remember getting any when I ran it originally, just with injuries over the years now I was a bit hesitant but it is good to know its really a non issue.

I will likely use it during PCT for my next bulking cycle.
 
rascal14 said:
I don't actually remember getting any when I ran it originally, just with injuries over the years now I was a bit hesitant but it is good to know its really a non issue.

I will likely use it during PCT for my next bulking cycle.
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I have also used it POST WORKOUT with the same success and this MAY help IF you run into pain issues. My thought process is this: ARA builds up. It is the fact that athletes/lifters deplete ARA reserves that allows the compound to have its positive effects. So it builds up in the muscles and using it post in an environment where the trained muscle is getting preferential nutrient uptake as soon as recovery starts so the ARA is going to go where most of the blood flow is going and that is the muscle just trained. Once there it will build up and achieve, IME, the same overall effects as PRE with the exception of the increased pump many experience when dosing pre.
 
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BCseacow83 said:
I have also used it POST WORKOUT with the same success and this MAY help IF you run into pain issues. My thought process is this: ARA builds up. It is the fact that athletes/lifters deplete ARA reserves that allows the compound to have its positive effects. So it builds up in the muscles and using it post in an environment where the trained muscle is getting preferential nutrient uptake as soon as recovery starts so the ARA is going to go where most of the blood flow is going and that is the muscle just trained. Once there it will build up and achieve, IME, the same overall effects as PRE with the exception of the increased pump many experience when dosing pre.
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This approach worked for me.
 
Just started X-Gels for the first time and then found this thread. So, my Pre had consisted of 8g Citrulline Malate, 2g L-Carnitine Tartrate, 600mg VAS06 as a base ... currently taking Mitoburn & Recomp20, as well. I had been taking it with like 20g of carbs (for Carnitine). I am planning on adding the X-Gels at the same time, but then I found this thread with taking them fasted.

So, should I just ditch the carbs while taking X-Gels? I'm more interested in the possible androgen receptor effect of Carnitine than anything.
 
hipnfit said:
Just started X-Gels for the first time and then found this thread. So, my Pre had consisted of 8g Citrulline Malate, 2g L-Carnitine Tartrate, 600mg VAS06 as a base ... currently taking Mitoburn & Recomp20, as well. I had been taking it with like 20g of carbs (for Carnitine). I am planning on adding the X-Gels at the same time, but then I found this thread with taking them fasted.

So, should I just ditch the carbs while taking X-Gels? I'm more interested in the possible androgen receptor effect of Carnitine than anything.
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When I've used X-Gels, I personally did not take them fasted. I've taken them with and without carbs pre-workout.

I think that just as some people find that fasting helps them and others find that pre-workout carbs helps them, it is likely that some may find that taking X-Gels fasted may help but for others it may not make a difference.

Basically, I don't think there's a concrete answer as to what's going to work best for everyone. Just my opinion.
 
sns8778 said:
When I've used X-Gels, I personally did not take them fasted. I've taken them with and without carbs pre-workout.

I think that just as some people find that fasting helps them and others find that pre-workout carbs helps them, it is likely that some may find that taking X-Gels fasted may help but for others it may not make a difference.

Basically, I don't think there's a concrete answer as to what's going to work best for everyone. Just my opinion.
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Yep. For me, I’d avoid with carbs, but that doesn’t mean I’m necessarily correct. Just from my own research, that’s what I decided to do
 
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