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Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 (TCF-1) is here! D-aspartic acid supplement

i saw somewhere that running DAA with an anti-e would inhibit its effects... any truth to that? i was wanting to try this with 6bromo and a prolactin inhibitor for maybe like a 6 week run to see how well it works
 
Unclebuck said:
First, what is your reasoning for doing that? Then I could probably give a better answer.
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i had some insane strength gains from running 6 bromo solo a while back, and i wanted to run it again. tcf also boosts test and all the hormones that follow with a boosted test level. im not really worried about estrogen level going up while using tcf-1 but i saw on the primordial performance website forum that prolactin can also rise. my body usually is stabilized with a little higher than normal prolactin level and i just wana block that a little just in case. but my overall goal is to make the T:E levels as crazy as possible for some mad gains. so tcf-1 boosts test, then the 6 bromo also raises test and lowers SHBG while lowering estrogen. i wana cut and keep as much muscle as i can but if the anti-e will somehow mess up tcf-1 id be better off just running it solo after the 6 bromo. im just not sure how the whole star pathway and all those little things work.
 
you can run an anti-e if you like, but if you're worried about prolactin you could just stick with vitex.
 
Aromatase Inhibitors are run sucessfully in conjunction with steroid cycles to keep the estrogen down . They do not seem to interfere with any gains. If you were worried about estrogen, I was going to say don't. I wouldn't worry about it from that possible rise in testosterone that you're going to get. I'm not that versed on the prolactin side of things except that an A/I can help with that and 6 bromo is labeled as an A/I. I think your idea of stacking TCF-1 with other things could be the ticket. I am not convinced of the effectiveness these products yet. That is a small rise in test when you fiqure that a 200mg. weekly test cycle( 28 mg. daily) is considered very mild with ok gains. If you are at the low end of the 3-10 mg. daily production by your body, 40 percent is kinda small. ESPECIALLY on a short run. But I do believe it may have potential to be stacked with other things for several weeks during your heaviest lifting sessions. Time will tell. Please let us know how you do.
 
I don't see why an aromatase inhibitor and TCF1/DAA wouldn't have a synergistic effect.

TCF: Slight rise in LH, raise in sTAR = more test, with the "brakes" of E1 feedback to HPTA still present

AI: Removes the "brakes" and boosts LH while increasing sTAR efficiency.

Seems to me that the only feedback you get with this stack is direct androgen feedback to the hpta? PP would have to comment, but I plan on running DAA+6bromo for a "PCT" from Natadrol.
 
DAA + a mild AI is exactly what i would run and should be a sweet test boost stack. I was thinking DAA + topical formestane would be a sick combo


OnTheRoadTo said:
I don't see why an aromatase inhibitor and TCF1/DAA wouldn't have a synergistic effect.

TCF: Slight rise in LH, raise in sTAR = more test, with the "brakes" of E1 feedback to HPTA still present

AI: Removes the "brakes" and boosts LH while increasing sTAR efficiency.

Seems to me that the only feedback you get with this stack is direct androgen feedback to the hpta? PP would have to comment, but I plan on running DAA+6bromo for a "PCT" from Natadrol.
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qwerty33 said:
DAA + a mild AI is exactly what i would run and should be a sweet test boost stack. I was thinking DAA + topical formestane would be a sick combo
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I'm in week 2 of a 6 week run of AndroHard solo. I plan to run TCF-1 & 6-Bromo together after AH run is done. I respond quite well to 6-bromo. Glad to see someone else is thinking of running the same thing. :veryhappy:
 
edvanp said:
I'm in week 2 of a 6 week run of AndroHard solo. I plan to run TCF-1 & 6-Bromo together after AH run is done. I respond quite well to 6-bromo. Glad to see someone else is thinking of running the same thing. :veryhappy:
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exactly bro, how is andro solo?
 
I'm leaning out pretty good. Down a solid 3.5lbs in 2 weeks with no change really in diet. No noticeable effect on Libido. Workouts have been very good, especially my endurance. The negatives are sleep, it's been hit or miss. One night ok the next night awful AND a dull headache. I had it the first 4 days, it went away, now I have it again.
 
edvanp said:
I'm leaning out pretty good. Down a solid 3.5lbs in 2 weeks with no change really in diet. No noticeable effect on Libido. Workouts have been very good, especially my endurance. The negatives are sleep, it's been hit or miss. One night ok the next night awful AND a dull headache. I had it the first 4 days, it went away, now I have it again.
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What is your dosing like for the 6 week cycle?
 
edvanp said:
Standard dose, 250mg x twice a day. I didn't take any today and no headache. I want to see how my sleep is tonight. If it improves, I may back it down to 250mg once a day.
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Thanks.

I was curious because I am going to be running it with Turinabol, and I wanted to see the dosage to do a 6 week cycle, but I assume you got 2 bottles?

At 500mg a day you have enough for a 25 day cycle in each bottle. I was considering doing one of the following:

Either 250 per day through the whole cycle, or...

500mg a day for the last 4 weeks (minus 2 days).
 
Interesting, I'm planning on adding androhard into my dermacrine cycle, going to use tcf 1 during the last 12 days before pct then 12 off then 24 days on til the end of pct
 
HATEFULone said:
Interesting, I'm planning on adding androhard into my dermacrine cycle, going to use tcf 1 during the last 12 days before pct then 12 off then 24 days on til the end of pct
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I think you will like this stack! Good luck. Post your results
 
New here, been hearing about TCF-1, getting back to working out and changing my diet for the better etc. Couple questions though, if you take this in the morning pre-workout how far in advance should you, 1 hour? Also what if you do a pre-workout shake, would that disrupt tcf-1 b/c now you'd have that in you vs just the straight tcf-1? Or is it better before bed..... read through this thread but still not sure which is the best route to go with it.

Also planning on using with sustain alpha after reading all the stuff on it as well. What about after the 12 days of tcf-1, anything else that should be used or just continue to workout and eat the same etc, and keep using Sustain Alpha since thats 12 days and Sustain Alpha is 5 on 2 off? Thanks guys
 
ChrisSurf said:
New here, been hearing about TCF-1, getting back to working out and changing my diet for the better etc. Couple questions though, if you take this in the morning pre-workout how far in advance should you, 1 hour? Also what if you do a pre-workout shake, would that disrupt tcf-1 b/c now you'd have that in you vs just the straight tcf-1? Or is it better before bed..... read through this thread but still not sure which is the best route to go with it.

Also planning on using with sustain alpha after reading all the stuff on it as well. What about after the 12 days of tcf-1, anything else that should be used or just continue to workout and eat the same etc, and keep using Sustain Alpha since thats 12 days and Sustain Alpha is 5 on 2 off? Thanks guys
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You can take the Invalid Link Removed anytime mate, it'll absorb so quickly taking it with a protein shake is unlikely to affect absorption much.

Taking the Invalid Link Removed will augment the testosterone-boosting effects of the stack further. Dietary changes are completely dependent on your goals mate :)
 
ChrisSurf said:
New here, been hearing about TCF-1, getting back to working out and changing my diet for the better etc. Couple questions though, if you take this in the morning pre-workout how far in advance should you, 1 hour? Also what if you do a pre-workout shake, would that disrupt tcf-1 b/c now you'd have that in you vs just the straight tcf-1? Or is it better before bed..... read through this thread but still not sure which is the best route to go with it.

Also planning on using with sustain alpha after reading all the stuff on it as well. What about after the 12 days of tcf-1, anything else that should be used or just continue to workout and eat the same etc, and keep using Sustain Alpha since thats 12 days and Sustain Alpha is 5 on 2 off? Thanks guys
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My brozky is on Sustain and TCF-1 and takes them together and loves it. I would only not rec taking them with a slow release carb source which will hinder absorption.
 
Had TCF1 and Sustain Alpha overnighted :bigok: can't wait to try. I mainly use Natures Isopure whey, so will be cool to test this combo with tcf1 and sa, I'm not looking to get big lol, just raise testosterone as I was low right now at 400 and get back into shape. Changed my whole diet too.
 
ChrisSurf said:
Had TCF1 and Sustain Alpha overnighted :bigok: can't wait to try. I mainly use Natures Isopure whey, so will be cool to test this combo with tcf1 and sa, I'm not looking to get big lol, just raise testosterone as I was low right now at 400 and get back into shape. Changed my whole diet too.
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Nice to see your taking control of your results.

Good luck with everything and let us know how it goes.
 
I ordered a bottle over the weekend and will stack it with Pink Magic accordingly, I will let you guys know how it goes
 
tcf1 taste like liquid candy :32: , Sustain Alpha not so much lol, but the combo of both I can already feel after a few days.
 
I'm currently using phytotest/dermacrine, going to add androhard and tcf 1 during the last 12 days of the cycle, then using again 24 days straight at the end of pct, should be interesting, but liking the phytotest/dermacrine alot.
 
HATEFULone said:
I'm currently using phytotest/dermacrine, going to add androhard and tcf 1 during the last 12 days of the cycle, then using again 24 days straight at the end of pct, should be interesting, but liking the phytotest/dermacrine alot.
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its good stuff eh?:bigok:
 
This was my fist time using phytotest and dermacrine lv, only used the td version before. Gains are about equal so far, can't wait for the androhard come on mailman send me some goodies.
 
wsaucer said:
I'm interested in the Phyto-Test/TCF-1 combo. See how it compares to Pink Magic/TCF-1 combo.
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I dont know much about the pink magic... but I know the Phyto-test has some solid research behind it.

Whatever you choose, they will both work synergistically with TCF-1

-Eric
 
HereToStudy said:
Thanks.

I was curious because I am going to be running it with Turinabol, and I wanted to see the dosage to do a 6 week cycle, but I assume you got 2 bottles?

At 500mg a day you have enough for a 25 day cycle in each bottle. I was considering doing one of the following:

Either 250 per day through the whole cycle, or...

500mg a day for the last 4 weeks (minus 2 days).
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I thought the TCF-1 was to only be taken for 12 days on and then 12 off??? But you guys are taking about 4 and 6 weeks cycles..?? can i take it for longer than 12 days?
 
wolfe14 said:
I thought the TCF-1 was to only be taken for 12 days on and then 12 off??? But you guys are taking about 4 and 6 weeks cycles..?? can i take it for longer than 12 days?
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It probably can be used longer than 12 days. We where just trying to be cautious when we released it since it has such a powerful effect on endocrine secretion. We might be changing the dosing recommendations soon to reflect a longer dosing period.

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
It probably can be used longer than 12 days. We where just trying to be cautious when we released it since it has such a powerful effect on endocrine secretion. We might be changing the dosing recommendations soon to reflect a longer dosing period.

-Eric
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Thanks...the bottle i have says that i can get 2 12 day cycles out of it at 2 5ml servings in the morn each day, but i am on my second 12 day cycle and it def doesn't look like im gonna be able to finish out 12 days at that dose!!!!
 
best tasting supp...EVER. hope the results are just as nice.

im logging it w/ tetopro and formadrol. link is in my signature. lets get the test party started right.
 
suresha said:
is there a difference in d-aspartate and d-aspartic acid?
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They're essentially the same amino acid, but it's either in it's conjugate base or acid form depending on the pH of the solution it's in. The pKa of aspartic acid is 3.7, so in the body you'd see it as aspartate pretty much everywhere but the stomach.

rulk22 said:
There is. I cant get into all the science, but DAA is the one the has been shown to have all the effects on increasing production of test.

This isnt a limited run, but it keeps getting sold out.
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Jimbo15 said:
sodium d-aspartate was used in the studies that increased total test by 42% in 12 days.
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That's because the pKa of aspartic acid is 3.7, so even if you administer aspartic acid you'll have aspartate in the blood. In addition, it's much easier to store/adminster the amino acid as a salt (sodium + conjugate base, aspartate).
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
They're essentially the same amino acid, but it's either in it's conjugate base or acid form depending on the pH of the solution it's in. The pKa of aspartic acid is 3.7, so in the body you'd see it as aspartate pretty much everywhere but the stomach.





That's because the pKa of aspartic acid is 3.7, so even if you administer aspartic acid you'll have aspartate in the blood. In addition, it's much easier to store/adminster the amino acid as a salt (sodium + conjugate base, aspartate).
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great info thanks man
 
whats the latest take on TCF-1 with this dosing protocol??

the more i read the more im convinced that there is no need for short 12 day cycles.

im on day 1 by the way, this stuff is yummy.
 
ax1 said:
whats the latest take on TCF-1 with this dosing protocol??

the more i read the more im convinced that there is no need for short 12 day cycles.

im on day 1 by the way, this stuff is yummy.
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I say run the whole 24 days!

Like I will be doing during PCT..
 
edvanp said:
I'm thinking of running this 5 days on, 2 days off to see how it works. Similar to the SA protocol.
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Hmm interesting, let us know how it works for you, I'm guessing you will use it for a month straight then with the 5 on 2 off schedule, keep us updated.
 
can i take tcf and use a fat burner creams also to drop some weight and get rid of these damn love handles ? why do they call them that ? i dont love them women dont either lol
 
bayboi said:
can i take tcf and use a fat burner creams also to drop some weight and get rid of these damn love handles ? why do they call them that ? i dont love them women dont either lol
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Yes TCF-1 can be stacked with a fat burner.

They are called love handles because a lover can grab onto them. Not really because anyone loves them.

bayboi said:
there is no need for a pct with this stuff is it ?
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No PCT needed, in fact it can be used in PCT.
 
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