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Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 (TCF-1) is here! D-aspartic acid supplement

Its that time of the month for her, so maybe I'll take out someone from my new job, I'm sorry I'm not sorry. Yeah the libido boost from the tcf-1 and sustain alpha is unreal, just hope it doesn't take a huge dive after the cycle is over, I don't think it will though.
 
HATEFULone said:
Its that time of the month for her, so maybe I'll take out someone from my new job, I'm sorry I'm not sorry. Yeah the libido boost from the tcf-1 and sustain alpha is unreal, just hope it doesn't take a huge dive after the cycle is over, I don't think it will though.
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cant wait for that man. I am looking at a bottle of sustain tcf-1 and 6-bromo
 
That sale is pretty nice, I may have some cash left over to take her out, I didn't realize almost everything was on sale, very nice. Might use this as an opportunity to get some phyto test to add to my sustain and tcf-1.
 
I am running tcf-1, phyto and 6 bromo right now. Libido and vascularity are outrageous at the moment.

I do see a little dermacrine at some point in my future as well :)
 
AE14 said:
I am running tcf-1, phyto and 6 bromo right now. Libido and vascularity are outrageous at the moment.

I do see a little dermacrine at some point in my future as well :)
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Nice stack, Adam. Keep us updated with your results. :)

You can never go wrong with a little dermacrine. :food:

-John
 
AE14 said:
I am running tcf-1, phyto and 6 bromo right now. Libido and vascularity are outrageous at the moment.

I do see a little dermacrine at some point in my future as well :)
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How much 6-bromo are you running? Is this part of a PCT or a stack. Keep us update! :fing02:
 
Now that everyone keeps mentioning dermacrine it seems to be calling me, what would the best way to use dermacrine, phyto test, tcf 1, and sustain be?
 
HATEFULone said:
Now that everyone keeps mentioning dermacrine it seems to be calling me, what would the best way to use dermacrine, phyto test, tcf 1, and sustain be?
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derm + phyto + sustain followed by 12 on 12 off tcf-1 after your last dose of the derm/phyto/sus stack. I would also include sustain with the tcf-1
 
When its all said and done, you're going to find that they are equally effective. PA has always put out good products. PP seems to have the same. You are going to get your money's worth from both. A bigger issue is how long are you going to run it. The original 12 days on was lame. It takes 2-3 weeks for an actual steriod to really kick in. What the hell do you think you are going to do in 12 days,(with what, 42% rise in test) especially when they claim 6 days to start working? I actually felt insulted when PP stated, "months supply", 12 on 12 off. Thats like giving me a"months" supply of tequilla but telling me I have to stop drinking the last two weeks to rest my liver. Anyway the new dosing fixed that and would bring me in for a try. We're not going to find out anything as far as results(muscle gain,fat loss) till someone takes it for several weeks. A clinical rise in test means nothing until somebody reports back with real results.
 
Unclebuck said:
When its all said and done, you're going to find that they are equally effective. PA has always put out good products. PP seems to have the same. You are going to get your money's worth from both. A bigger issue is how long are you going to run it. The original 12 days on was lame. It takes 2-3 weeks for an actual steriod to really kick in. What the hell do you think you are going to do in 12 days,(with what, 42% rise in test) especially when they claim 6 days to start working? I actually felt insulted when PP stated, "months supply", 12 on 12 off. Thats like giving me a"months" supply of tequilla but telling me I have to stop drinking the last two weeks to rest my liver. Anyway the new dosing fixed that and would bring me in for a try. We're not going to find out anything as far as results(muscle gain,fat loss) till someone takes it for several weeks. A clinical rise in test means nothing until somebody reports back with real results.
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I agree on PA and PP both producing great products.

However, I am sooooooo sick of the 12 days on 12 off argument.

Primordial choose to recommend to their customers to run it at what is humanly tested. There are no tests indicating what happens day 13 on if you stay on? will you be fine? Probably, but as a company they took the safe route. They would have made a hell of alot more if they had you take it everyday for the rest of your life, but they didnt want to put anyone at risk.

It is like being pissed that they say to run Turinabol-lv for 6 weeks. There are many people who have ran it for 8+, but they choose to give a safe effective dosage.
 
I agree somewhat. And actually since that has been fixed, I could have left that part out. However,again, what did PP think wa going to happen in 7 days? (starts working at 6) I think they should be able to make money but also have some responsibility to give you a product that gives results. I don't care about raising test for 7 days. I want to grow, or have a good PCT.
 
I feel the short bursts that are recommended would be why its better suited for pct than as a standalone T booster. These mini cycles of it seem Great for a quick hormone boost, get in and get out for pct, instant results to help get your T up but not long enough to supress, just my thoughts.
 
Agree totally on that and actually thats probably my plan very soon. Although I am intrigued by longer dosing, I am somewhat skeptical about tricking your body into producing higher levels of test over an extended period.
 
Unclebuck said:
Agree totally on that and actually thats probably my plan very soon. Although I am intrigued by longer dosing, I am somewhat skeptical about tricking your body into producing higher levels of test over an extended period.
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According to PA, They did the study for 12 days, but recommend using it for 90 days.

I am still looking for where PA said it to link for you guys..

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here you go

prohormoneforum.com/q-patrick-arnold/32190-d-aspartic-acid-suppressive.html#post581829

"the makers of the italian DAA actually recommend using it for 90 days straight"
 
tastes like candy!
 
HATEFULone said:
I think zombiemuscle has been using tcf 1 mega dosed and for longer than 12 days but not sure, I will check
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I've been on testforce for 3 weeks now. Definitely a slow but steady increase in strength. Gains slowly taper off but keep increasing. I'm personally going to go for the 1 month on/ 1 month off strategy.

But I unfortunately bought 2 tubs of testforce. Tastes like pond water.

Did buy some TCF-1 though, will be nice to actually look forward to taking DAA than preparing myself to quickly choke it down and trying not to through up.
 
KingLouisXXIV said:
But I unfortunately bought 2 tubs of testforce. Tastes like pond water.

Did buy some TCF-1 though, will be nice to actually look forward to taking DAA than preparing myself to quickly choke it down and trying not to through up.
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The newer tubs arent as bad. I think he changed it up. It also dissolves perfect now. You cant even tell it is in water anymore. He recently said he was changing the way it is manufactured.

If you cant handle the taste then mix it with kool aid or something. No offense, but man up a little bit. :)

not going to get into why TestForce is better cause this is a pro TCF-1 thread :)
 
Primal2 said:
not going to get into why TestForce is better cause this is a pro TCF-1 thread :)
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Is that so...

That is quite a strong statement to make, so I would imagine you'd have a copious amount of scientific (not anecdotal) data to back up your statement here? If not, it's nothing more than your own opinion (anecdotally).

Our TCF-1 utilizes the form of D-Aspartic Acid that has evinced significant clinical effects. The argument whether or not it could be used longer (or higher dosing) with better effect is essentially irrelevant until further long term randomized comparative testing is completed to substantiate the claim.

I don't doubt that TestForce is a good product, but to say it's "better" than our TCF-1 without any data to support it makes it look like you have nothing more than an obvious agenda here.

-John
 
Trauma1 said:
Is that so...

That is quite a strong statement to make, so I would imagine you'd have a copious amount of scientific (not anecdotal) data to back up your statement here? If not, it's nothing more than your own opinion (anecdotally).

Our TCF-1 utilizes the form of D-Aspartic Acid that has evinced significant clinical effects. The argument whether or not it could be used longer (or higher dosing) with better effect is essentially irrelevant until further long term randomized comparative testing is completed to substantiate the claim.

I don't doubt that TestForce is a good product, but to say it's "better" than our TCF-1 without any data to support it makes it look like you have nothing more than an obvious agenda here.

-John
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That actually wasn't what I was talking about. Since you bring it up, it reminded me of something though. The people who did the study, the one you refer to as your own quite often, recommend taking it for 90 days. Why would the people who payed for the study recommend taking it for 90 days? PA said this on another forum. They did the study for 12 days cause that's what they paid for, that is all.

I have no agenda. I have taken both products and made my conclusion. I am sorry if it's at odds with yours. :)

Again, this is your promo ad here. I am not trying to make a big deal.
 
Primal2 said:
That actually wasn't what I was talking about. Since you bring it up, it reminded me of something though. The people who did the study, the one you refer to as your own quite often, recommend taking it for 90 days. Why would the people who payed for the study recommend taking it for 90 days? PA said this on another forum. They did the study for 12 days cause that's what they paid for, that is all.

I have no agenda. I have taken both products and made my conclusion. I am sorry if it's at odds with yours. :)

Again, this is your promo ad here. I am not trying to make a big deal.
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Primal2 said:
That actually wasn't what I was talking about. Since you bring it up, it reminded me of something though. The people who did the study, the one you refer to as your own quite often, recommend taking it for 90 days. Why would the people who payed for the study recommend taking it for 90 days?
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Why don't you point out for me exactly where "I" said it was "our own" study? We refer to it as "a" study that's shown clinical-based results with sodium D-aspartic acid. Nothing more. You're clearly fabricating things here when trying to form a rebuttal. Nice try, though.

What do you think is done in research/medicine after clinical studies are completed? You make recommendations based on your findings. That doesn't mean squat though until you can prove it; until then, it's nothing more than a theory. This is why there are follow-up studies usually done at a later date. Do you think that every initial finding pans out better with either a longer duration or higher dosage? The answer is no. You'll learn that in any basic introductory research class.

Primal2 said:
I have no agenda. I have taken both products and made my conclusion. I am sorry if it's at odds with yours. :)

Again, this is your promo ad here. I am not trying to make a big deal.
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You took both products during the same time period. How you're able to make a definitive conclusion on individual product efficacy based on that is beyond me, but you're entitled to your own opinion. We have blood work (being completed now) and plenty of anecdotal person accounts coming in to support/verify the efficacy of TCF-1.

I have absolutely no issue if you like TestForce; as I said, I don't doubt it's a good product. I do have an issue when people come into product promo threads with an obvious agenda that they then try to downplay. I've been around this business long enough to know all the little tips and tricks utilized by many people/companies. I see you just joined here this month...

Sorry that I don't buy into your story here. :)
 
Primal2 said:
it elevates your testosterone, so everything else elevates with it. Your body tries to keep homeostasis like always. :) Nothing dangerous though.
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What about afterwards? Does the absence of the TDF-1 after using it affect your hormones in any way?

I'm just curious because I already have high cortisol levels, so I don't want to mess with that either during or after I would take this.
 
jlip said:
What about afterwards? Does the absence of the TDF-1 after using it affect your hormones in any way?

I'm just curious because I already have high cortisol levels, so I don't want to mess with that either during or after I would take this.
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Hormone levels should all go back to normal within about a week.
 
One of the sale announcements didn't go out on time, so we've extended the sale another 48 hours....


:bow28:
 
jlip said:
What about afterwards? Does the absence of the TDF-1 after using it affect your hormones in any way?

I'm just curious because I already have high cortisol levels, so I don't want to mess with that either during or after I would take this.
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should return to baseline normal levels after you stop tcf-1.
 
Just got my dermacrine, phytotest, and more tcf, question is any benefit to running 12 days of tcf 1 at the start of the cycle?
 
HATEFULone said:
Just got my dermacrine, phytotest, and more tcf, question is any benefit to running 12 days of tcf 1 at the start of the cycle?
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you could to keep LH up and test levels up in order to maintain solid hpta function. Deff would not hurt to run tcf-1 12 on 12 off ect.. right through pct with derm.
 
Primal2 said:
it elevates your testosterone, so everything else elevates with it. Your body tries to keep homeostasis like always. :) Nothing dangerous though.
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then wats the point of taking this if everything gose up along with test to blance out???? if the ratio stays the same u wont get very much results
 
qwerty33 said:
you could to keep LH up and test levels up in order to maintain solid hpta function. Deff would not hurt to run tcf-1 12 on 12 off ect.. right through pct with derm.
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and alot of ppl are telling other ppl that this will rase LH yes its true but how bout when your body is shutdown, the study was done with healthy males not ppl coming of a cycle
 
alwaysgaining said:
and alot of ppl are telling other ppl that this will rase LH yes its true but how bout when your body is shutdown, the study was done with healthy males not ppl coming of a cycle
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agreed but if you look at how TCF-1 works your point is not really valid. I would like to see bloowork when used during pct. The supplement just got released, I am sure blood work will pop up. The amino acid should work the same with a male of any situation by working on the efficiency of sTAR.

1. "Incubation of testicular cells with TCF-1 has shown to directly increase sTAR protein levels by 90% within the mitochondria"

2. "With higher amounts of sTAR in the mitochondria, more cholesterol will be transported into the mitochondria for processing into testosterone."
 
qwerty33 said:
agreed but if you look at how TCF-1 works your point is not really valid. I would like to see bloowork when used during pct. The supplement just got released, I am sure blood work will pop up. The amino acid should work the same with a male of any situation by working on the efficiency of sTAR.

1. "Incubation of testicular cells with TCF-1 has shown to directly increase sTAR protein levels by 90% within the mitochondria"

2. "With higher amounts of sTAR in the mitochondria, more cholesterol will be transported into the mitochondria for processing into testosterone."
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i c so it should work regaurdless........ hmmmm i would also like to c blood work too bad mine was already done
 
i agree and cant wait to see blood work from tcf-1 from people useing it for 30+ days and higher doses while loading. But our bodies are a machine and a company taking the safe side while thinking about its customers heath is more imp im my opinion till data proves otherwise. Just my .02 tho


HereToStudy said:
I agree on PA and PP both producing great products.

However, I am sooooooo sick of the 12 days on 12 off argument.

Primordial choose to recommend to their customers to run it at what is humanly tested. There are no tests indicating what happens day 13 on if you stay on? will you be fine? Probably, but as a company they took the safe route. They would have made a hell of alot more if they had you take it everyday for the rest of your life, but they didnt want to put anyone at risk.

It is like being pissed that they say to run Turinabol-lv for 6 weeks. There are many people who have ran it for 8+, but they choose to give a safe effective dosage.
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