Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 (TCF-1) is here! D-aspartic acid supplement

Jimbo15 said:
How about if we just double the amount that comes in each bottle? So you get twice as much for the same price....


...oh ya, we just did that.

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Jesus, PP just keeps coming out with pure displays of awesomeness!!

It's like BOGO, but only with no sale..lol:fing02:
 
Jimbo15 said:
How about if we just double the amount that comes in each bottle? So you get twice as much for the same price....


...oh ya, we just did that.

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Awesome! A very strategic move, indeed! :thumbsup:
 
Imeniaan said:
so why were you overpricing it, in the first place?
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In most cases when a dramatic volume or price difference occurs in a new product, it is most likely due to optimization in the product creation and/or source. I am sure primordial was able to strike a deal with thier supplier or change suppliers all together.

No need for a tinfoil hat.
 
I am sure PP will still recommend 12 on 12 off since that is what the study did and there are no studies beyond that. Can you dose it longer? Sure! but is there really any evidence as to what it will do after 12 days? No.
 
fightbackhxc said:
I am sure PP will still recommend 12 on 12 off since that is what the study did and there are no studies beyond that. Can you dose it longer? Sure! but is there really any evidence as to what it will do after 12 days? No.
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I would say this exactly. I plan on running the TCF-1 as part of a PCT for sd-lv later this year. Figure between Sd-LV, Liver juice, cycleassist, Clomid, Sustain Alpha, Creapure, and now TCF-1, I am in for a mass building adventure. I am very excited to see the TCF-1 play into it.

The reason why I am sticking to the 12day on/off is as fightback mentioned the study doesnt go beyond 12 days, and I am confident staying in the "known" range will be beneficial. Some have done more days, but Id rather stick to the plan, especially since TCF-1 contains the exact form the DAA used in the study, good stuff..
 
HereToStudy said:
In most cases when a dramatic volume or price difference occurs in a new product, it is most likely due to optimization in the product creation and/or source. I am sure primordial was able to strike a deal with thier supplier or change suppliers all together.

No need for a tinfoil hat.
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bull$hit
 
Imeniaan said:
bull$hit
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All in all I can't claim to know why PP choose the prices as they did. However, I wouldn't necessarily go as far to ask why would one over price something, at least not in this kind of case. I mean as a consumer of course we want to best deal on a product as we can get. That's our job. PP is a company and as such their job is to give us what we want... while making a profit too. I imagine as a company who is essentially the first to market such a product (a side from bulk powder) that finding the best price to market it at may not be the easiest thing. The previous price I agree was a little pricey, but wouldn't have called it highway robbery. The new price I think is pretty outstanding. Following the thought of consumerism and marketing there could be even more reasons than what I've talked about so far or a little of several. PP recently had a BOGO sale on TCF-1 and perhaps they realized that with the increase of sales per unit still left a good margin for profit at the decreased price. Perhaps there is an aspect of supply and demand with other companies getting in the DAA market, or perhaps it has been a marketing strategy from the beginning: New product.. what is it?, Why so pricey?.. Got your interest.. Oh, Sale!.. Tried the product, liked it.. more interest generated... Quantity/amount adjusted to finish reeling folks in after we bit. Like I said, who knows, but PP does put out top quality products and are reliable. They've done right by me in my book.

Ok, that ended up being a bit longer than I thought..lol Sorry about that.

Cheers
 
HereToStudy said:
In most cases when a dramatic volume or price difference occurs in a new product, it is most likely due to optimization in the product creation and/or source. I am sure primordial was able to strike a deal with thier supplier or change suppliers all together.

No need for a tinfoil hat.
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Or they realized their sales would fall drastically with the release of TestForce.
 
Wow i never really expected this kind of a reaction...

There is a reason that i use and recommend (literally to everyone i know) primordial performance. Their products are consistently of the hightest quality available, even going as far as using patented technologies that they must pay a premium for, all while delivering the lowest available price.


Take for example creapure, a creatine that they must import and pay a premium for to receive from a highly regarded lab in germany that certifies a 99.5 percent purity of creatine monohydrate. I was able to pick up 1000g or 200 servings for 17. 17 dollars for the purest version, when some creatine powders exceed that with no guarantee of purity.

For questions i am always able to visit primordialperformance.com and instantly receive an answer. I visit thier forums which their loyal fans have turned into quite the community.

It is for these reasons that it bothers me to see them treated in this thread as if they are anything but top notch. There is a reason why primordial is mebtioned all over these boards and it is not because they rip people off.
 
Garyboy said:
Or they realized their sales would fall drastically with the release of TestForce.
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or they just realized there was competition? Which is very common when selling consumer goods? :bigeyes:
 
Imeniaan said:
so why were you overpricing it, in the first place?
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We were actually able to drastically cut our cost with our supplier by purchasing larger quantities. We then streamlined production and cut production time by a third, decreasing labor costs.

Plenty of people were purchasing the product at the full price, but we decided to pass the savings on to our loyal customers. I'm sorry if this makes you feel that we were trying to screw you from the beginning, apparently lowering prices doesn't make everyone happy.

Imeniaan said:
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some people dont understand the concept of economies of scale :)
 
Jimbo15 said:
We were actually able to drastically cut our cost with our supplier by purchasing larger quantities. We then streamlined production and cut production time by a third, decreasing labor costs.

Plenty of people were purchasing the product at the full price, but we decided to pass the savings on to our loyal customers. I'm sorry if this make you feel that we were trying to screw you from the beginning, apparently lowering prices doesn't make everyone happy.
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Good post!
 
I believe its called free enterprise, and if anyone wants to pay the old price I will buy the new 24 serving bottles of tcf-1 and sell it for double the price, that way you know you are getting the good stuff.
 
HereToStudy said:
Wow i never really expected this kind of a reaction...

There is a reason that i use and recommend (literally to everyone i know) primordial performance. Their products are consistently of the hightest quality available, even going as far as using patented technologies that they must pay a premium for, all while delivering the lowest available price.


Take for example creapure, a creatine that they must import and pay a premium for to receive from a highly regarded lab in germany that certifies a 99.5 percent purity of creatine monohydrate. I was able to pick up 1000g or 200 servings for 17. 17 dollars for the purest version, when some creatine powders exceed that with no guarantee of purity.

For questions i am always able to visit primordialperformance.com and instantly receive an answer. I visit thier forums which their loyal fans have turned into quite the community.

It is for these reasons that it bothers me to see them treated in this thread as if they are anything but top notch. There is a reason why primordial is mebtioned all over these boards and it is not because they rip people off.
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I agree PP's products are of the hightest quality available!
Thats why im nutz for PP!
:food:
 
anyone else notice a nice buzz after a dose of TCF-1 or and other daspartic acid supp?
 
Strength is on the rise, I got 245+purple bandx4 on my bench this week with a fat bar. Last pr was 2 reps about 2 weeks ago.
 
Libido is off the chain lol, seriously it sucks my girlfriend is out of town and then ex keeps getting naked and wanting to talk on skype. I'm also using sustain alpha right now but my sex drive is killer, literally get about 10 random erections a day.
 
HATEFULone said:
Libido is off the chain lol, seriously it sucks my girlfriend is out of town and then ex keeps getting naked and wanting to talk on skype. I'm also using sustain alpha right now but my sex drive is killer, literally get about 10 random erections a day.
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so your using sustain alpha + TCF-1? Which version of sustain are you using and how are you dosing the two. Also is this part of pct or just a solo run?

are you using the sustain to lower estro? or just as a boost
 
Qwerty, I'm using the transdermal version, have yet to try any of the lv's but I will very soon. I'm dosing the sustain at 5 pumps at night, the tcf-1 10cc in the am. This is a solo run, I will include the two in my next pct however. Using the sustain for more of a test boosting supplement but the estrogen blocking power is a nice plus.
 
HATEFULone said:
Qwerty, I'm using the transdermal version, have yet to try any of the lv's but I will very soon. I'm dosing the sustain at 5 pumps at night, the tcf-1 10cc in the am. This is a solo run, I will include the two in my next pct however. Using the sustain for more of a test boosting supplement but the estrogen blocking power is a nice plus.
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Sounds like a great stack mate, throw in some Phyto-testosterone, you've either got a crazy testosterone-boosting stack or the best PCT known to mankind ;)
 
Okay this is a very stupid and a random question.. how do you inject this suppliment? i mean i see a needle kinda thing, but not sure how it should be taken? any 1???
 
Karan745 said:
Okay this is a very stupid and a random question.. how do you inject this suppliment? i mean i see a needle kinda thing, but not sure how it should be taken? any 1???
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It is not a needle, as in there is no injection. It is merely to properly measure your dosage to mL with the syringe, but you don't inject it you actually ingest it.
 
okay thank you very much, another question then, whould it benefit, a person who is trying to get rid of his fat on his belly? perhaps? and chest?

If you have any idé about that?
 
Karan745 said:
okay thank you very much, another question then, whould it benefit, a person who is trying to get rid of his fat on his belly? perhaps? and chest?

If you have any idé about that?
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It might have some effect, however, you would be better off looking a product from PP that specifically targets that.

Look into a topical solution to specifically target areas like the belly and chest. Primordial has a product that uses a topical solution to target specific areas and it can be applied directly to the area.

The product is called DermaTherm Target, and information can be found here:
 
I just got my order today. Planning to get started next week. The label on the bottle indicates to take one serving daily. Question: any preferred time??? is it better 1st thing in the morning, before workout (in my case afternoon) or at bedtime. Any opinions?
 
I'm with qwerty, 1 hour pre workout has been great for me, gives you a great boost. Has anyone stacked this yet with phyto test, I'm stacking mine with powerfull and sustain but never used phyto, just wondering.
 
HATEFULone said:
I'm with qwerty, 1 hour pre workout has been great for me, gives you a great boost. Has anyone stacked this yet with phyto test, I'm stacking mine with powerfull and sustain but never used phyto, just wondering.
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ive been using TCF-1 with phytotest and its been off the chain.
 
flightposite said:
ive been using TCF-1 with phytotest and its been off the chain.
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I'm only on my 3rd day off the tcf-1 so I might have to get some phyto test and give it a try when I do my second 12 days on. Does anyone know if you can do 12 on 12 off indefinitely with the tcf-1?
 
Jesus christ, I feel like a primordial pimp, because I keep linking to their sale, but threads worthy of it keep poping up in my sub list:

Get the new 8.2oz of TCF-1 for 20.97:

(add to cart to update price)
 
HereToStudy said:
Jesus christ, I feel like a primordial pimp, because I keep linking to their sale, but threads worthy of it keep poping up in my sub list:

Get the new 8.2oz of TCF-1 for 20.97:

(add to cart to update price)
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:damnit: I am gonna be in trouble, supposed to take the lady out this weekend but instead I'm stocking up on more tcf-1 and some lv goodies.
 
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