Test/Tren/Dbol

bwrestler31

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I'm thinking about using winny when I run the dbol to help counter the estrogen a bit. I have enough of everything to run it like this and then still have a bit of everything left over. How does this look to everyone?

Week 1: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 2: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 3: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 4: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 5: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 6: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 7: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 8: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 9: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
Week 10: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
Week 11: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
Week 12: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
 
Go with the last one, switch the tren for Deca or EQ. Quality gains, smooth joints and an increased appetite. No night sweats and loss of endurance as well..
 
gamer2be08 said:
Go with the last one, switch the tren for Deca or EQ. Quality gains, smooth joints and an increased appetite. No night sweats and loss of endurance as well..
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is deca as good for strength as tren? I also am iffy about deca because of how long it stays in your system and the whole deca-**** thing..

Wudog said:
if you do test e there is really no point in pinning eod....
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If I have to pin eod for the tren, then I would pin the e eod as well, to keep the levels more regulated.
 
bwrestler31 said:
is deca as good for strength as tren? I also am iffy about deca because of how long it stays in your system and the whole deca-**** thing..


If I have to pin eod for the tren, then I would pin the e eod as well, to keep the levels more regulated.
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Tren will fuck with your pecker as well dude. Just use deca and pin it when you pin your test.
 
I can deal with 3month detection time for test-e, but with my career I will not risk detection for 18months with deca...

I am about 20 weeks out from the biggest show of my life. Winning this show secures me a spot at pro nationals, which will take place just 2 weeks after the qualifier. I will be on week 13 the day of the 1st show and the last day of week 15 will fall on the day of pro nationals.

Here is what I will probably be doing:

Week 1: Test-E-400mg/week Dbol-30mg/day
Week 2: Test-E-400mg/week Dbol-30mg/day
Week 3: Test-E-400mg/week Dbol-40mg/day
Week 4: Test-E-400mg/week Dbol-40mg/day
Week 5: Test-E-400mg/week
Week 6: Test-E-400mg/week
Week 7: Test-E-400mg/week
Week 8: Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod
Week 9: Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod
Week 10:Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod
Week 11:Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod
Week 12:Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod Dbol-30mg/day
Week 13:Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod Dbol-30mg/day
Week 14:Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod Dbol-40mg/day
Week 15:Test-E-400mg/week Tren-75mg/eod Dbol-40mg/day
 
why are you using prop and dbol at e beginning? no need for dbol if your running prop. as for orals im in to running them at the end of a cycle and think its a complete waste to run at the beginning. IMO its best to add them when your about to peak from test say like weeks 8 or 9 and continue to gain all the way into PCT. im sure alot of you will disagree but i learned some of these tricks from some og vets. your orals will work better when your test is in full swing anyway. just my 2 cents.
 
bigpaulski2 said:
why are you using prop and dbol at e beginning? no need for dbol if your running prop. as for orals im in to running them at the end of a cycle and think its a complete waste to run at the beginning. IMO its best to add them when your about to peak from test say like weeks 8 or 9 and continue to gain all the way into PCT. im sure alot of you will disagree but i learned some of these tricks from some og vets. your orals will work better when your test is in full swing anyway. just my 2 cents.
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I like this advice!
One more thing, I ran a test enan/tren ace cycle a while back and wish I had started the tren at week 4 instead of two...
After I stopped the tren, I still had 4 weeks of test solo to go and strength decreased without the tren. Start it later dude.
 
timmmah said:
I like this advice!
One more thing, I ran a test enan/tren ace cycle a while back and wish I had started the tren at week 4 instead of two...
After I stopped the tren, I still had 4 weeks of test solo to go and strength decreased without the tren. Start it later dude.
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good advice IMO.
 
bwrestler31 said:
hows it look now?
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look pretty good. i would drop the dbol on the front end and add a week or 2 earlier at the end. but to be honest it would be perfect with tbol instead of dbol. the gains with tbol are more keepable. but if you cant get it or what ever run the dbol at the end. maybe weeks 10-15. just be patient the first few weeks with out the kicker. in the end its better that way.

i mean your not going to be getting much if anything from the test after week 10. im assuming your test is dosed at 200mg/ml?
 
bigpaulski2 said:
look pretty good. i would drop the dbol on the front end and add a week or 2 earlier at the end. but to be honest it would be perfect with tbol instead of dbol. the gains with tbol are more keepable. but if you cant get it or what ever run the dbol at the end. maybe weeks 10-15. just be patient the first few weeks with out the kicker. in the end its better that way.

i mean your not going to be getting much if anything from the test after week 10. im assuming your test is dosed at 200mg/ml?
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I didn't get the test yet. It will be dosed at 300mg/ml. Since you think test after 10 is pretty useless, how does this look? Also, I have 200 dbol tabs that are 10mg each, so if it is a good idea, I could run it at 30/30/40/40 the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks. Is that a good idea or should I just save it?

Week 1: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 2: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 3: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 4: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 5: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod
Week 6: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod
Week 7: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-30mg/day
Week 8: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-30mg/day
Week 9: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-40mg/day
Week 10:Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-40mg/day
 
bwrestler31 said:
I didn't get the test yet. It will be dosed at 300mg/ml. Since you think test after 10 is pretty useless, how does this look? Also, I have 200 dbol tabs that are 10mg each, so if it is a good idea, I could run it at 30/30/40/40 the first 4 weeks and the last 4 weeks. Is that a good idea or should I just save it?

Week 1: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 2: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 3: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 4: Test-E-600mg/week
Week 5: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod
Week 6: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod
Week 7: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-30mg/day
Week 8: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-30mg/day
Week 9: Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-40mg/day
Week 10:Test-E-600mg/week Tren-100mg/eod Dbol-40mg/day
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i like this set up alot but i would do 12 weeks. the key to longer cycle is to just add things in and take things out per se. like if you were doing 20 weeks you would have test as your base and then you could have tren added in like you do above. then orals for maybe 4 weeks then take that one out and add something else. everything seems to work better with test.

but all in all i like this set up but for 12 weeks. **** the 15 weeker looked good too. even though you might not see much from the test after weeks 10 its good to keep running it for the added in orals.
whats your cycle history?
 
bwrestler31 said:
is deca as good for strength as tren? I also am iffy about deca because of how long it stays in your system and the whole deca-**** thing..


If I have to pin eod for the tren, then I would pin the e eod as well, to keep the levels more regulated.
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pinning test E EOD makes zero sence. just pin the tren EOD.
 
tim1985 said:
Tren will fuck with your pecker as well dude. Just use deca and pin it when you pin your test.
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yea tren will **** with your pecker but thats part of the game. if you can handle the sides to tren and dont mind your **** not working perhaps for a minute then run it. deca will keep you real smooth and you will need to watch the bloat as well with test. id use tren if the op can handle it.
 
bigpaulski2 said:
bwrestler31 said:
is deca as good for strength as tren? I also am iffy about deca because of how long it stays in your system and the whole deca-**** thing..


NO!
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haha

bigpaulski2 said:
pinning test E EOD makes zero sence. just pin the tren EOD.
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I will prob just pin the tren eod and the e twice a week.

bigpaulski2 said:
yea tren will **** with your pecker but thats part of the game. if you can handle the sides to tren and dont mind your **** not working perhaps for a minute then run it. deca will keep you real smooth and you will need to watch the bloat as well with test. id use tren if the op can handle it.
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I know tren isn't always the nicest compound, but I'm worried more about the good effects then the bad ones.

liquidanimal said:
Tren>deca/ I really dont care for deca that much tren is far superior if the sides dont get you.
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This is what I had been hearing.
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If you run the tren at 75 EOD you get an extra week and a half and can start it a little earlier, trust me 75 is enough.
No need to kick start a prop cycle, good luck!
 
timmmah said:
If you run the tren at 75 EOD you get an extra week and a half and can start it a little earlier, trust me 75 is enough.
No need to kick start a prop cycle, good luck!
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I am actually going to pass on the tren at this point. I'm really a bit worried about the sides, and since it's only going to be my 2nd injectable cycle I am going to hold off on it.

Looks like I'll be sticking to prop, win, and dbol.
 
You might want to bump the prop to a higher dose at about half way. The gains from it will level off before 12 weeks. I'd also go for more winny at the end.

You planning to ramp an AI before the contest?
 
bwrestler31 said:
Week 1: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 2: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 3: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 4: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-30mg/day
Week 5: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 6: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 7: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 8: Prop-150mg/eod
Week 9: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
Week 10: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
Week 11: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
Week 12: Prop-150mg/eod Win-25mg/day D-40mg/day
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If ur doing a contest than add those dbols at the beggining and save winstrol for the end. Also have an AI. I think u should run tren ace 100mg/eod, thats 3-400mg/week even if u get any sides they wont b as bad.
 
GLHF said:
If ur doing a contest than add those dbols at the beggining and save winstrol for the end. Also have an AI. I think u should run tren ace 100mg/eod, thats 3-400mg/week even if u get any sides they wont b as bad.
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I'm doing strongman/powerlifting type shows, not a bodybuilding show...
 
I don't think this should be over complicated. If you are doing a powerlifting comp. It would behoove you to be on all three.Especially during that timeframe. That is the point, so why miss the point.
 
SoloScooter said:
I don't think this should be over complicated. If you are doing a powerlifting comp. It would behoove you to be on all three.Especially during that timeframe. That is the point, so why miss the point.
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exactly. for a pl comp all u need is test and dbol. id stay away from winstrol (joint problems) if ur a pl.
 
GLHF said:
exactly. for a pl comp all u need is test and dbol. id stay away from winstrol (joint problems) if ur a pl.
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well..Test and DBol are good. But neither can compare to Tren in strength. He should do all three when at the competition. Test, DBol, and Tren Ace for best strength gains. I too was under the impression that he was talking about bodybuilding, in which taking any oral that is "wet" towards the peak of the cycle would make no sense at all. But in this case, being all swelled up in water weight is good for strength.
 
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