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Test C and Tren E need advise!

rage4cage

rage4cage

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Sup guys im new on here but im 30yrs old and been lifting for years. Have done several past cycles but its been awhile. Im about to start a new one and looking to stack test c and tren e. After reading ALOT on tren e people have good and bad things to say. I was looking at starting off with like 400mg test and 200mg tren a week. Then maybe pump the tren to 400mg if the side effects stay low. What yal think?
 
Test i'd have at 500, and starting with a low dose of tren is fine but with Enanthate if sides occur you'll have to deal with them for a couple weeks cuz of the long ester, so Tren ace would b preferred if its your first time using tren.
 
I agree on the 500mg test. But I won't go with tren ace. It's a much shorter ester and injections will have to be done more frequently. If you have sides it could be from either. If I was doing tren and test. I will go for enanthate on both. Injections are done at the same time( no in between tren injections) and pct would be easier to calculate. But I do hear what you are saying about the sides. And if it does occur you will have them for a good 4 weeks or so.
 
100% go with tren Ace.
I have run both and the long estered version builds up way higher in your system and has alot more sides even at the same dose.
If your gonna run gear your gonna have to deal with the fact that your gonna do injections.
Which side do you want....a few more pin pricks or
extremely elevated BP
headaches
hard to breathe...hard to get through workouts.
night sweats
NO SLEEPING EVER......fuk its brutal with tren e

If you have not ever used tren using enanth version is a terrible idea.
You may have issues with the ace version but if you do you can pull the plug on it and they will subside within a week or so....if your using enanth it may get worse before better and take several weeks to get better.
 
brundel said:
100% go with tren Ace.
I have run both and the long estered version builds up way higher in your system and has alot more sides even at the same dose.
If your gonna run gear your gonna have to deal with the fact that your gonna do injections.
Which side do you want....a few more pin pricks or
extremely elevated BP
headaches
hard to breathe...hard to get through workouts.
night sweats
NO SLEEPING EVER......fuk its brutal with tren e

If you have not ever used tren using enanth version is a terrible idea.
You may have issues with the ace version but if you do you can pull the plug on it and they will subside within a week or so....if your using enanth it may get worse before better and take several weeks to get better.
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Amen bro.
 
brundel said:
100% go with tren Ace.
I have run both and the long estered version builds up way higher in your system and has alot more sides even at the same dose.
If your gonna run gear your gonna have to deal with the fact that your gonna do injections.
Which side do you want....a few more pin pricks or
extremely elevated BP
headaches
hard to breathe...hard to get through workouts.
night sweats
NO SLEEPING EVER......fuk its brutal with tren e

If you have not ever used tren using enanth version is a terrible idea.
You may have issues with the ace version but if you do you can pull the plug on it and they will subside within a week or so....if your using enanth it may get worse before better and take several weeks to get better.
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Thanks guys thats what i needed to hear and actually the type tren was not specified. I want have it for another week or so. Im checking on it now to see if its tren a or e. Im new to tren and didnt know there was a difference!

Also at what mg a week were you seeing all these bad side effects??
 
Well just found out its tren e! Damn! I may just run it at a really small amount.
 
Honestly, if you have never run tren I would just leave it out.
Even at 200mg a week you could have issues.
Back in the day guys would run the tren hex at 150mg weekly and still have sides.

I feel great at 400mg tren ace. No sides.
200mg enanth I feel like Im going to literally die. Every side x10.
 
Damn!! Well i already have it (or getting it) so we will see. I havent been prone to side eff in the past just a little gyno.

And if i leave it out i dont have anything else to run with it at the moment, think i'll be ok just running the 500mg of test c, trainning hard, eating right and all the right PCT's?
 
rage4cage said:
Damn!! Well i already have it (or getting it) so we will see. I havent been prone to side eff in the past just a little gyno.
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Just run it low, and definitely have caber on hand.
 
Yah make sure to run an AI for the test and since youll be running tren E youll likely want something for Prolactin.
Black Lion Research makes a prolactin supp called Prolactrone. I talked to some of the guys who tested this product. GOod stuff.
Check out their website or FB page for where to buy It.
 
brundel said:
Yah make sure to run an AI for the test and since youll be running tren E youll likely want something for Prolactin.
Black Lion Research makes a prolactin supp called Prolactrone. I talked to some of the guys who tested this product. GOod stuff.
Check out their website or FB page for where to buy It.
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Cool man thanks for the info!
 
Hey another question, can I draw the test and tren in the same syringe and just pin once? I don't see why it would hurt just thought I would ask?
 
rage4cage said:
Hey another question, can I draw the test and tren in the same syringe and just pin once? I don't see why it would hurt just thought I would ask?
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That's perfectly fine.
 
You sure can.
Here are some tips.
Buy your syringes with 3ml barrel and 20g 1 in needles attached. Then also buy 25 g 1 inch needle only.
This way you can draw from your vials using a larger needle then switch to a new sharp smaller guage for injections.
For you 3ml barrel is fine.
 
Eventually youll need to upgrade to the 6ml barrels ;)
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Or you may need mixed caliber hardware for site injecting.

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brundel said:
You sure can.
Here are some tips.
Buy your syringes with 3ml barrel and 20g 1 in needles attached. Then also buy 25 g 1 inch needle only.
This way you can draw from your vials using a larger needle then switch to a new sharp smaller guage for injections.
For you 3ml barrel is fine.
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Well my gf is a nurse and got me a ass load of 18g, 1in, 3ml barrel syringes so thats what ill use for now! Thanks again for the info guys!!
 
If it is Tren Ace and all you have is 18g?? You are going to be a pin cushion .... Really. Plus you are more more likely to pin way too fast for comfort.

18g will tear up a vial in 5 weeks or so maybe more depending on frequency of injections. Get 21 or and 25 as described. Sh1t if it is less than 2cc a day, I'll backfill slins 29 or 30 gauge and those are painless and using 2 day is pretty painless as well. Quads or calves for me on the slins, the regular I stick with the quads. When I backfill a slin I do enough for a couple of weeks so when I'm done I can pin pretty quick and be done in a minute or two.

Go buy some or order some online and save yourself some serious bad injection sites both in bruising and pain.
 
Get yourself some 25g bro.
18g is like a harpoon.
Itll leave HUGE holes in your injection site.
 
**** man even 21s are like a sword IMO. I used to use 21s, went to 23s and 25s and will never ever to back to 21s. Just my .02 on the tren e too, I never had any issue with tren e..but that's just me..besides the normal tren sides of sweating and insomnia I didn't really notice a difference between Ace or E..I have also done tren suspension..I would take e or a ANY day over tren suspension, I hated that ****e.
 
brundel said:
Get yourself some 25g bro.
18g is like a harpoon.
Itll leave HUGE holes in your injection site.
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I agree 100%

What's up Brundel? You still on IM forums?
 
Dude, make sure you aspirate before injecting gear. Tren cough is no joke! Good luck! Never tried tren e but have some on the way. Tren a is the sh1t tho!!! I had sides with tren a at 150mg eod if I started day one at this level. If I start at 100mg eod and increase every week til I get to 150mg eod I was fine. So I would start very low with tren e maybe .5cc (100mg) a week. You can mix as well. I always blend it together once it's in the syringe. Also fill with 21 or 23g and inject with 25g. 18g ouch! Hope this helps.
 
morry said:
If it is Tren Ace and all you have is 18g?? You are going to be a pin cushion .... Really. Plus you are more more likely to pin way too fast for comfort.

18g will tear up a vial in 5 weeks or so maybe more depending on frequency of injections. Get 21 or and 25 as described. Sh1t if it is less than 2cc a day, I'll backfill slins 29 or 30 gauge and those are painless and using 2 day is pretty painless as well. Quads or calves for me on the slins, the regular I stick with the quads. When I backfill a slin I do enough for a couple of weeks so when I'm done I can pin pretty quick and be done in a minute or two.

Go buy some or order some online and save yourself some serious bad injection sites both in bruising and pain.
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You use slin syringes to actually pin? I always thought the needle was too short and never even considered using it for gear
 
D_Hoff said:
You use slin syringes to actually pin? I always thought the needle was too short and never even considered using it for gear
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My guy's gear is top notch so I use a slin needle with a regular syringe. I heat it up a little bit on the stove with some water in it and in a couple of minutes the vial is almost too hot to touch, but the oil is really warm. If you're 12% or lower you can use a slin needle for a lot of places. Definitely worth doing if you're pinning all the time and have the leanness and quality gear to do it.
 
Just puttin my two cents in...

To keep Tren sides down, u need T3, an AI, and lots of cardio. I never experienced high blood pressure issues on Tren due to keeping my cardio regular. Gettin off cardio is what amplifies the problem, imo.

Also, I run a flipped ratio - one with much lower Test and much higher Tren doses. The science behind the endocrine system also agrees with it, too. Too much test and suppressed T3 = high prolactin due to elevated estrogen (from the test) and the negative feedback loop between Thyroid and Prolactin hormones. Prolactin issues are the main cause of insomnia, gyno related issues, and low libido associated with Tren.

Whether u take my advice or not, if u run Tren, keep estrogen low and supplement w/ T3. Do this and you'll be fine with any moderate dose.
 
fueledpassion said:
Just puttin my two cents in...

To keep Tren sides down, u need T3, an AI, and lots of cardio. I never experienced high blood pressure issues on Tren due to keeping my cardio regular. Gettin off cardio is what amplifies the problem, imo.

Also, I run a flipped ratio - one with much lower Test and much higher Tren doses. The science behind the endocrine system also agrees with it, too. Too much test and suppressed T3 = high prolactin due to elevated estrogen (from the test) and the negative feedback loop between Thyroid and Prolactin hormones. Prolactin issues are the main cause of insomnia, gyno related issues, and low libido associated with Tren.

Whether u take my advice or not, if u run Tren, keep estrogen low and supplement w/ T3. Do this and you'll be fine with any moderate dose.
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I take caber instead of using T3, but the rest I can attest to. Never did LOTS of cardio, but I did push myself once or twice a week just to keep the out-of-breathness and high bp away. If I run tren, the highest amount of test I'll run is 350mg (1ml of the stuff I have). Currently running 175mg test and ~500mg tren and the only sides I have are an extreme feeling of awesomeness.
 
fueledpassion said:
Just puttin my two cents in...

To keep Tren sides down, u need T3, an AI, and lots of cardio. I never experienced high blood pressure issues on Tren due to keeping my cardio regular. Gettin off cardio is what amplifies the problem, imo.


Whether u take my advice or not, if u run Tren, keep estrogen low and supplement w/ T3. Do this and you'll be fine with any moderate dose.
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I knew I got extra T3 for a reason. Now I know the reason.
 
Anyone have any new advise on this? It seems now a lower dosage of test and higher dosage of tren is better?

BTW I never did the tren, I just ran the test c but still have it and thinking of doing it now.
 
I started with tren>test but finished with test>tren. Only because i lost sex drive & function after a few weeks on tren. Higher test helped. That's just me though. Everyone is different
 
Thanks for the info! Sex drive is huge for me and for most guys i would guess. But im 32yrs old recently divorced and bangin chicks every day, i dont need NO drop in sex drive and thats what i saw some of my last cycle. I dont want that this time.
 
I can say that a 1:1 ratio of Test to Tren would probably be ideal for keeping the sex drive while keeping sides reasonable. Granted, something like 500/500 would be stupid on sides anyways. This ratio would be best served @ 250-300mg or so.

I had erectile dysfunction issues in weeks 9-11, but not terrible issues. Cialis and MTII easily combatted those issues. Higher test levels will mean a better feeling cycle but it also means more sides, too. Especially estrogen-related ones.
 
I'm a more or less AAS newb, so take this for what it's worth. A close friend of mine (former professional fighter, and current trainer) runs his tren cycles like this. First I'll say, he runs tren for everything, bulk, or cut, the amounts of tren is changed depending on the goal. For a bulk double the tren to test (or more). The test is only ran to keep sex drive functions working. So he runs it at a slightly higher then trt amount at 150-200 mg a week. He'll then run tren 400-600, which he said he's ran it as high as 900 hundred and found very little benefit compared to 600. The sides were much greater, and the benefits just didn't balance it out. During a cut He runs 400 tren/150 test and will throw in Mast once the bf is below a certain level. During a bulk he'll do 3 days of cardio (low intensity jogging swimming). On a cut its HIIT 5 days a week (skipping/sprints/sparing). He felt that the test at as low as it was wouldn't be a problem with aromatising, and the tren would somewhat take care of it. So taking care of prolactin and the consequential sides would be the issue. I believe he runs both caber and prami, I'm not sure the mg's but I seem to remember him talking about tapering both of them. The guy is ripped, and hits like a ****ing truck, so I mean, in some regards I can't argue with his results. The former boxer/mma in me sort of wants to emulate that, but I've fell in love with picking up heavy things and putting them down to much to go back to voluntarily getting punched in the face. Just another option, and maybe some food for thought.
 
Tren e sides are drama

rage4cage said:
Damn!! Well i already have it (or getting it) so we will see. I havent been prone to side eff in the past just a little gyno.

And if i leave it out i dont have anything else to run with it at the moment, think i'll be ok just running the 500mg of test c, trainning hard, eating right and all the right PCT's?
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I'm on week 6 of tren e test c cycle running Ai and little to zero sides. I feel calm, enthusiastic and strong as an ox..shedding body fat and bp is at 130/70 not much higher than when off. Tren is hyped because nobody wants the secret to get out. Monitor your diet, hydrate, rest and watch the stuff do'its thing. Every body is different. I was terrified of the tren e,..now..not so,much. Line up,your pct and have fun
 
Bluruin said:
I'm on week 6 of tren e test c cycle running Ai and little to zero sides. I feel calm, enthusiastic and strong as an ox..shedding body fat and bp is at 130/70 not much higher than when off. Tren is hyped because nobody wants the secret to get out. Monitor your diet, hydrate, rest and watch the stuff do'its thing. Every body is different. I was terrified of the tren e,..now..not so,much. Line up,your pct and have fun
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How long did you end up running the tren? Did you run same length as test?
 
Bluruin said:
I'm on week 6 of tren e test c cycle running Ai and little to zero sides. I feel calm, enthusiastic and strong as an ox..shedding body fat and bp is at 130/70 not much higher than when off. Tren is hyped because nobody wants the secret to get out. Monitor your diet, hydrate, rest and watch the stuff do'its thing. Every body is different. I was terrified of the tren e,..now..not so,much. Line up,your pct and have fun
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Maybe and maybe not. If you don't do it right you get insomnia and can't bust a nut...among other sides
 
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