Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2025 Edition)

I 100% Assumed this was why. I imagine you are tired of repeating this over and over again.

I'm a hold out for Libido XT and more flavors of Focus XT. Really enjoying Cherry Punch right now.

EDIT: Forgot about the daily, all in one ergogenic, as well. Let's call it Daily Gainz XT.

A lot of the things we have planned are things we've had planned - just that got put off bc of last year's supply chain issues.
And business wise, companies have to prioritize keeping existing sellers in stock.

The only part of it I really get tired of is when people are rude or complain about ETA's changing - no matter how many times I state that new product ETA's are just guesses and that things can happen and change - like having to put existing products in front of them - and that unanticipated things can happen and push things back like the tariff situation.

I'm glad you're liking Cherry Punch Focus XT.

The daily use ergogenic will be named Daily Gains. It and the pre are two of the priority sku's. The tariff situation is what caused the hold up on Daily Gains - for a product in that category to sell well, it has to be a certain price or less and that was just impossible with the tariffs.
 
What is in the works for natural muscle builder side?Do we have anything apart from nattybolic which supposedly is near.

The #1 priority is getting existing products back in stock and increasing inventory levels to not keep running out.

Daily Gains will be a daily use muscle builder - think of it as covering a lot of bases of commodity type things that you need to take daily for best results. The idea came from people asking us to do something like the old PES Ergonine. Daily Gains is a lot different than that but that's the concept.

There is at least one more in addition to Nattybolic. The other one won't so much be introducing any new ingredient, but will be combining ingredients that no one has used together in a product before.
 
The only part of it I really get tired of is when people are rude or complain about ETA's changing - no matter how many times I state that new product ETA's are just guesses and that things can happen and change - like having to put existing products in front of them - and that unanticipated things can happen and push things back like the tariff situation.

Hello Steve,
I am guessing that is directed to me since I asked to cancel my pre-order today. Sorry if you took it personal or considered it rude. I simply changed my mind, that's all. I made the order back during the Black Friday sale. i originally thought it would be delivered by Xmas, then was told by mid January. Now we're in February and still no clear ETA, so I just changed my mind and would rather cancel the order instead of waiting. Use the money on something else while the product is restocked. I'll just re-order when it comes back in stock. I don't get why you are taking it so badly. Didn't mean to be rude or anything.
 
Hello Steve,
I am guessing that is directed to me since I asked to cancel my pre-order today. Sorry if you took it personal or considered it rude. I simply changed my mind, that's all. I made the order back during the Black Friday sale. i originally thought it would be delivered by Xmas, then was told by mid January. Now we're in February and still no clear ETA, so I just changed my mind and would rather cancel the order instead of waiting. Use the money on something else while the product is restocked. I'll just re-order when it comes back in stock. I don't get why you are taking it so badly. Didn't mean to be rude or anything.

Actually no, he was saying that he figured that I didn't do a 2026 version of this thread because he figured I got tired of repeating over and over that we have to prioritize keeping existing products in stock.

So no, it had nothing to do with you - because what you had ordered is an existing product - hence my point - prioritizing keeping existing products in stock and increasing inventory levels to try not to run out.

As for situation - I emphasized over and over that I was allowing pre-sales on certain sku's because people asked us if we would so that they could get the sale discounts - and for the first time ever, I gave in and offered pre-orders. I explained over and over that I could not guarantee ETA's and if that was an issue, not to order because there are just too many supply chain issues to guarantee anything. I fully realize you may not know the fees that doing that can cost and also how it can reflect negatively on companies with their credit card processing. You asked me to do a pre-order for something I was not offering pre-orders for and I created the listing and offered it specifically for you. So then you want to cancel and we get hit with credit card and transaction fees on the order and a fee on the cancellation - for something I had set up for you to be nice because you asked. It wasn't even the fees, and it didn't make me mad, it hurt my feelings.

But no, my and his conversation had nothing to do with that. I was replying to him that I don't mind people asking for ETA's and I didn't answering it over and over again - the only part that is annoying is the people that make their negative troll type comments about new product launches getting pushed back - bc of things like the tariff situation, etc.

Example - Libido Boost XT - labels have been done for most of the year, meaning money is tied up in it. The goal is for it to sell for 39.99 - when the tariff thing happened, if we had done it then, it would have had to sell for 69.99 and there's no way it would have sold for that. Some people were jerks about it and made little quips about the delay - which was annoying because the reason for the delay was explained over and over and if they live in the US, it should have been common sense as to why. Some people, most people, understood that is why it had to be delayed and then further delayed bc we had to focus on getting other products that had sold out during that period back in stock.
 
The #1 priority is getting existing products back in stock and increasing inventory levels to not keep running out.

Daily Gains will be a daily use muscle builder - think of it as covering a lot of bases of commodity type things that you need to take daily for best results. The idea came from people asking us to do something like the old PES Ergonine. Daily Gains is a lot different than that but that's the concept.

There is at least one more in addition to Nattybolic. The other one won't so much be introducing any new ingredient, but will be combining ingredients that no one has used together in a product before.
I am intrigued to see the formula for an all in with many capsules muscle builder from SNS!!!!Looking forward to.
 
I never liked the idea of the pre-sales. It just creates problems. Why not just do a short-term back in stock sale when the specific item is back in stock.
 
I never liked the idea of the pre-sales. It just creates problems. Why not just do a short-term back in stock sale when the specific item is back in stock.

I own a small coffee roasting company. I occasionally do presales, because the coffee is pricey and the presale 1) tells me how much demand there is, and 2) help offset the initial outlay of cash.

If Steve has loads of cash tied up in ingredients and supplies, but is held up by tariffs or other nonsense, a presale can help him hang through until he gets what he needs. It's painful as a business to sit on lots of inventory with no sales.

There's always the option to....not partake in presales. ;)
 
I never liked the idea of the pre-sales. It just creates problems. Why not just do a short-term back in stock sale when the specific item is back in stock.
I like presales because I like to make large purchases and it helps get me to the larger tier discounts. I understand some of the issues getting things back in stock and I don't mind waiting.
 
I am intrigued to see the formula for an all in with many capsules muscle builder from SNS!!!!Looking forward to.

Daily Gains will be a flavored powder - the one that will cover a lot of bases. It would be way too many capsules to be a capsule product.

The other two will be capsules.
 
I never liked the idea of the pre-sales. It just creates problems. Why not just do a short-term back in stock sale when the specific item is back in stock.

I've never done them before and we had so many people ask this time that I gave in and offered pre-sales on certain items - and emphasized over and over that they were being offered to allow people to save money on them that asked to as part of the sale.

The situation referenced above was a bit different because the person asked me if I would allow a pre-order on something I wasn't accepting pre-orders on. To me, it was a private matter and not something I would have ever posted about. I'm not sure why it got brought up in this thread - as I'm not mad with him, just was surprised that out of all the pre-orders, the one that there was an issue with was one that wasn't being offered and I set it up just for him bc he asked.

The reason we can't handle this by just setting up short term sales (which is what I sometimes do), is because some of these coming in have sold out as soon as they arrived back in stock.
 
I own a small coffee roasting company. I occasionally do presales, because the coffee is pricey and the presale 1) tells me how much demand there is, and 2) help offset the initial outlay of cash.

If Steve has loads of cash tied up in ingredients and supplies, but is held up by tariffs or other nonsense, a presale can help him hang through until he gets what he needs. It's painful as a business to sit on lots of inventory with no sales.

There's always the option to....not partake in presales. ;)

I think pre-sales make a lot of sense for your business and especially since it can help people make sure they get some of the awesome flavors that they want. You know which one I want you to offer a presale on haha.

I've always avoided pre-sales, but I did offer them this time because so many people asked us to. I felt bad and wanted people to be able to get the sale prices and also to make sure they got what they wanted bc I knew some of these may sell out when they came in.
 
I like presales because I like to make large purchases and it helps get me to the larger tier discounts. I understand some of the issues getting things back in stock and I don't mind waiting.

I appreciate the understanding. And that was another reason we allowed them was so that people could hit the best discount tiers.

We've been filling them the same or next business day after they've come in, so we get them out fast as soon as they arrive.
 
Since we are discussing pre-orders, here is an update.

All have been filled for:
  • Anabolic XT
  • GlucoVantage XT
  • MPC-185
  • Pepti-Bolic
  • Phosphatidic Acid XT
  • Urolithin-B XT
  • Ursa-Bolic
Coming in this week and will be filled as soon as they arrive:
  • C3G XT
  • Inhibit-E
  • Inhibit-P
  • Pepti-Plex
Next week, as far as I know, BASIS should ship to us, so that will be filled next week or the week after as soon as it arrives.

That only leaves a couple left and hopefully they will be in very soon after BASIS.
 
I would just like to say thank you for the opportunity to pre order Basis! Hope to never run out again. I ran 4 back to back when released and I it’s definitely one of my favorites.
 
I would just like to say thank you for the opportunity to pre order Basis! Hope to never run out again. I ran 4 back to back when released and I it’s definitely one of my favorites.

Thank you. I really appreciate the kind words.

I had never offered pre-orders before because I always worried there would be issues.

We pretty much offered them just for the people that post or read on here and didn't mention it outside of AM; my thought being that I could emphasize the uncertainty of lead times so as to avoid any issues. I know I posted several times that if anyone was going to be bothered or upset about not being able to give exact dates that they shouldn't do the pre-orders because it's impossible.

I wanted people to be able to get the sale discounts and get the things they wanted because I knew a lot of the things coming in would sell out.
 
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When it comes to out of stocks and delays, I can promise that no one wants things in stock more than the brands that have money tied up in the ingredients and that are losing money every day they are out of stock.

2025 was the year from hell supply chain wise in this industry. There's no better way to put it.

The tariff situation didn't just increase costs - it made many things completely unavailable, especially at the height of it because no one was going to import raws that cost up to 120% to 140% more than normal. Then when things with China started to I wouldn't say normalize, but at least become a new normal, the same thing then started with India and disrupted the supply chain with herbals.

But it wasn't just that - in addition to the raw material shortages and increased costs and some branded ingredients not even being available, it led to capsule shortages especially on veg capsules and major capsule price increases. Things that used to would have cleared Customs in days was taking months. And as things started to get back to somewhat normal, testing labs became backed up and things that would have had results back on in a week were/are taking up to 3 weeks.

There are so many possible delays that can happen, especially when using unique ingredients. That's a big reason that large brands stick with simple and easy to get ingredients is to streamline things and not run into issues like that. And I know many brands even with simple things had more out of stocks in 2025 than even during Covid.

What got this discussion going in this thread was X-Gels, so I'll use that as an example:
  • We have money tied up in several hundred thousand X-Gels softgels.
  • I've mentioned before that when being an FDA registered GMP company, a lot goes into testing - especially with unique ingredients.
    • Softgels made - so sent for testing (results back in less than 10 days)
    • Softgels pass testing so they get sent to cm to bottle.
    • This sounds redundant and it is, but in the consumers favor - since cm isn't making them, they have to send them out for testing too.
    • Lab is backed up and takes over 3 weeks to get results.
  • We were changing bottle styles for X-Gels - so after an unanticipated 3 week delay (explained above), the dang bottles still aren't in and causes another few weeks delay.
^^^ Keep in mind, all the time this is going on, the softgels have already been paid for - so no one wants it to turn into finished product more than us.

I explain this process so that anyone interested in it can see an example of how several seemingly simple delays can add up to an almost 2 month delay that a brand would not know to anticipate - which is why when talking ETA's I always say that we cannot make guarantees.

The BASIS delay is a story I'll post when it's in, but it was surreal.
 
Bring on the Pre!

I'm looking forward to the pre's.

Trying to figure out what flavors I want to do. Will likely start with 2 or 3.
 
just want to say, thank you for how helpful you are, and thank you for your products.

Thank you. I really appreciate the kind words.
 
@sns8778 Pepti and PAXT are back in the rotation and I love them. Really helping me bounce back after my hiking trip / vacation in New Zealand. 33,000 steps a day with a pack and less gym time should have been more detrimental.
 
So if tariffs are/were the big holdup, can we assume all of these ingredients are Straight Outta China?
1) nearly every country was slapped with some tariffs

2) a majority of supplement ingredients come from China
 
So if tariffs are/were the big holdup, can we assume all of these ingredients are Straight Outta China?

Your profile shows that you live in the US, so I'm surprised if you didn't know that in the last year there have been major tariff issues with China, India, the EU, and Canada plus more.

Example - Caps Canada is one of the major capsule suppliers for both supplements and pharmaceuticals and there has been a lot of talk about capsule price increases and shortages (especially veg caps).

Many herbs, including the best selling one in existence (KSM-66) are from India.

Many supplement raw materials do come from China and China has some amazing raw material facilities and many of them have Chinese, US, and other international inspection certifications.

Quality isn't determined by country of origin, it is determined by quality testing.

I personally don't care what the country of origin is - I care about providing top quality ingredients and products to help people reach their goals.
 
Inhibit-E, Inhibit-P, C3G XT, & Pepti-Plex

I wanted to let everyone know that these came back in stock:
  • C3G XT
  • Inhibit-E
  • Inhibit-P
  • Pepti-Plex
Anyone that has pre-orders from the sales, they should ship out on Monday. Thank you
 
Inhibit-E, Inhibit-P, C3G XT, & Pepti-Plex

I wanted to let everyone know that these came back in stock:
  • C3G XT
  • Inhibit-E
  • Inhibit-P
  • Pepti-Plex
Anyone that has pre-orders from the sales, they should ship out on Monday. Thank you
Great to see Pepti-Plex back! Will be picking some up with my next order.
 
Just noticed BASIS pre-sale is up at Flex it nutrition - and orders are shipping next week!
They also have the best prices on other SNS / CEL stuff around...."

He cannot guarantee that orders will ship next week because he does not have it.

It is supposed to arrive here next week and we expect it in beginning to middle of the week. We then have to ship it to him, so he may get it next week or he may get it the week after.

I wish him the best and like him, but felt the need to clarify that because I don't want anyone being mad with us as a company because any retailer is promising something that they were not promised by us.
 
He cannot guarantee that orders will ship next week because he does not have it.

It is supposed to arrive here next week and we expect it in beginning to middle of the week. We then have to ship it to him, so he may get it next week or he may get it the week after.

I wish him the best and like him, but felt the need to clarify that because I don't want anyone being mad with us as a company because any retailer is promising something that they were not promised by us.
I really like Flexit. About the only place I order from these days. They did preorders(a few other places I believe as well) for Hi-Techs 1-Testosterone six months ago. I don't even think Hi-tech has gotten it in stock yet.
 
I really like Flexit. About the only place I order from these days. They did preorders(a few other places I believe as well) for Hi-Techs 1-Testosterone six months ago. I don't even think Hi-tech has gotten it in stock yet.

I like them too. I just don't want anyone fussing at me if he can't ship something next week that I didn't tell him for sure I'd get to him next week haha

I know he was excited and paraphrasing.

We'll be doing some specials ourselves too, I just don't have the banners yet.
 
Hey, I’m looking into Sleep assistXT and noticed there’s 2 formulations - one with and one without GABA - do you know if there’s any UK-based stores carrying the non-GABA version?

I don’t get on well with it so need to avoid it like the plague.
 
Hey, I’m looking into SleepXT and noticed there’s 2 formulations - one with and one without GABA - do you know if there’s any UK-based stores carrying the non-GABA version?

I don’t get on well with it so need to avoid it like the plague.

Sleep Assist XT doesn't have GABA in it.

Sleep Support XT has EZGABA in it, which is a branded extended release GABA.

Sleep Assist XT has melatonin in it; Sleep Support XT does not.

We are unfortunately out of both at the moment bc of raw material supply chain issues, but do hope to have both back in within the next month.
 
Sleep Assist XT doesn't have GABA in it.

Sleep Support XT has EZGABA in it, which is a branded extended release GABA.

Sleep Assist XT has melatonin in it; Sleep Support XT does not.

We are unfortunately out of both at the moment bc of raw material supply chain issues, but do hope to have both back in within the next month.
Ah, hence me needing sleep assist - I completely missed the difference in names on the website. I just thought one was veggie caps and the other wasn’t.

Please ignore me - I’m going back to bed and I’ll try again tomorrow!
 
Ah, hence me needing sleep assist - I completely missed the difference in names on the website. I just thought one was veggie caps and the other wasn’t.

Please ignore me - I’m going back to bed and I’ll try again tomorrow!

No worries at all. I completely understand.

If you haven't tried Sleep Support XT or Growth Factor XT with EZGABA, it is really different than regular GABA, in a very good way.

We hope to have them both back in stock soon.
 
Is there any chance of an updated version of the H.E.A.T stack returning ? This was originally an Avant Labs fat loss product that did well back in the day and consisted of Hordenine, Evodiamine, Alpha Yohimbine, Tyramine.
 
No worries at all. I completely understand.

If you haven't tried Sleep Support XT or Growth Factor XT with EZGABA, it is really different than regular GABA, in a very good way.

We hope to have them both back in stock soon.
Predator have sleep support in stock at present and whilst I’m tempted try EZGABA, I’m anxious about dropping £40 on anything GABA as it has me bolt upright awake at 3am hyperventilating and with my heart rate through the roof.

Full on panic attack mode. I’ve tried combinations of other ingredients with and without GABA and I’m 100% certain at this point that that’s to blame.
 
That response is usually within 5-10min of ingestion, and with non-timed release gaba. EZGABA shouldn't do that.
 
Predator have sleep support in stock at present and whilst I’m tempted try EZGABA, I’m anxious about dropping £40 on anything GABA as it has me bolt upright awake at 3am hyperventilating and with my heart rate through the roof.

Full on panic attack mode. I’ve tried combinations of other ingredients with and without GABA and I’m 100% certain at this point that that’s to blame.
If it helps, I had a reaction to GABA like that in the past with Controlled Labs White Flood Classic feeling like I had a mild panic attack for a couple minutes. However, I did not experience this with Growth Factor XT. I went through a whole bottle. I have a bottle of Sleep Support XT that I'll be trying out in a couple months.
 
One time I put a couple grams of GABA in my coworkers water. Hilarity ensued, he started squirming in his chair, then pacing around, clutching his chest. Pretty sure he saw Jesus at some point before I told him. :D
 
Predator have sleep support in stock at present and whilst I’m tempted try EZGABA, I’m anxious about dropping £40 on anything GABA as it has me bolt upright awake at 3am hyperventilating and with my heart rate through the roof.

Full on panic attack mode. I’ve tried combinations of other ingredients with and without GABA and I’m 100% certain at this point that that’s to blame.

As you've seen a few people discuss above, the whole point of EZGABA is that it doesn't do that - that's the beauty of it.

I can definitely understand being worried about it though. Before using it in a product, I had tried EZGABA at dosages I would have never taken of regular GABA and didn't have any issues even at higher dosing. Higher dosing wasn't needed, but was just me playing around with it to see if it would have any negative effect on me and it didn't.

No one can ever promise how anyone is going to respond to anything, but I haven't heard of anyone having any issues with anything with EZGABA in it.
 
How's Cardiovascular XT coming? I'm on my last bottle.

Next week we should be getting in BASIS, Lean Edge, and Pine Pollen.

I'm hoping that Cardiovascular Support XT will be in the next shipment in behind that one.
 
Is there any chance of an updated version of the H.E.A.T stack returning ? This was originally an Avant Labs fat loss product that did well back in the day and consisted of Hordenine, Evodiamine, Alpha Yohimbine, Tyramine.

Me and Par talked about that, but fat loss has come such a long ways since then. Even if we did one, it wouldn't be better than the things we have now like Lean Edge and Thermagize XT.

Hordenine would be out of consideration because its not legal now.

I do appreciate the idea and definitely open to ideas though.
 
As you've seen a few people discuss above, the whole point of EZGABA is that it doesn't do that - that's the beauty of it.

I can definitely understand being worried about it though. Before using it in a product, I had tried EZGABA at dosages I would have never taken of regular GABA and didn't have any issues even at higher dosing. Higher dosing wasn't needed, but was just me playing around with it to see if it would have any negative effect on me and it didn't.

No one can ever promise how anyone is going to respond to anything, but I haven't heard of anyone having any issues with anything with EZGABA in it.
Cheers and having read the above, I’ll give it a go and report back. I’ve been happy with every SNS product I’ve tried so far and whilst I’m not a regular on here, I’ve been on here long enough to benefit from a significant number of your posts over the years.

Thanks
 
Cheers and having read the above, I’ll give it a go and report back. I’ve been happy with every SNS product I’ve tried so far and whilst I’m not a regular on here, I’ve been on here long enough to benefit from a significant number of your posts over the years.

Thanks

Thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate that. I'm glad that you are happy with the products.

If you try Sleep Support XT, I would love to hear how you like it.
 
BASIS - Back in Stock

BASIS is now back in stock.

All pre-orders should ship out tomorrow.

Save 20% Off - Including Off of Already Discounted Multi-Packs
While Supplies Last - w/code: basis20
Link: https://competitiveedgelabs.com/product/basis/

That prices with the discount code will be:
  • 1 Bottle - 55.99
  • 3 Bottles - 159.99
  • 6 Bottles - 303.99
  • 12 Bottles - 559.99
We have a lot of pre-orders to fill and this batch is going to sell out fast!
 
Lean Edge & Pine Pollen - Back in Stock

I wanted to let everyone know that we just received Lean Edge and Pine Pollen back in stock today.
 
I really like Lactium too. It doesn't put me out but helps relax me and get my mind to quiet down and chill out. That's why we use it in Mood Support XT and Sleep Support XT.

Great, overlooked ingredient.

^^ From another thread but got me wondering...

I know theres this and AmealPeptide... any other 'milk peptides' that have caught your eye lately Steve?
 
^^ From another thread but got me wondering...

I know theres this and AmealPeptide... any other 'milk peptides' that have caught your eye lately Steve?

Not that I can think of.

I think that Lactium is a very underrated ingredient, just as its sad that Mood Support XT doesn't get any more talk on there than it does.
 
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