Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2024 Edition)

[paulg]

Thank you. I'm glad to hear that you're excited for that one.

I started using the ingredients individually last year to see how they would work and it wound up making a huge difference for me. I'm anxious to get the product out because it will take the place of me taking 4 separate products.

That cholesterol product and prostate one will be carried in my wife's practice. She's an NP with a wellness practice.
I'm not sure about the lab details but she had a patient with some kidney issues. She took the kidney formula, and everything went normal on her next lab tests.
You definitely don't have specific women's products. A hair skin and nails may be one to look at. As well as UTI and possibly yeast.

 

[paulg]

Here's the OG Formula:

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per Container: 120


Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Proprietary Blend

Natadrol Complex 550mg
Androgenic Fraction
Tinospora Cordifolia (Highly Specialized Ethanolic Extract) **
Anabolic Factor
Cissus Quadrangularis (Highly Standardized) **
pSARM CoFactors
Hibiscus Rosa-Sinensis (Highly Standardized)
Curculigo Orchioides (Highly Standardized)

I started out getting amazing results. Until my body adapted to it and it fizzled out.

 

[thescience]

Please be better than Prime.....
Oh my gosh.
I fell for that initial release and bought six.
.....jacob, what did you put in this stuff!?!?

I couldnt imagine anything better than Prime, but this is sourced from the same company. Prime polled very well with users on here and held shelf space in the vitaminshoppe for years, but there were some non-responders. There was a higher dose protocal that some people claimed overcame their poor response

 

[paulg]

I couldnt imagine anything better than Prime, but this is sourced from the same company. Prime polled very well with users on here and held shelf space in the vitaminshoppe for years, but there were some non-responders. There was a higher dose protocal that some people claimed overcame their poor response

USP gave me a few disappointments.
But, I think it was TT700, a Tribulosin product (a specific Tribulus saponin) was good.

 

[Hyde]

That cholesterol product and prostate one will be carried in my wife's practice. She's an NP with a wellness practice.
I'm not sure about the lab details but she had a patient with some kidney issues. She took the kidney formula, and everything went normal on her next lab tests.
You definitely don't have specific women's products. A hair skin and nails may be one to look at. As well as UTI and possibly yeast.

Not marketed as a UTI product, but some of the bladder health-supporting ingredients in Kidney Assist XT may also be worth a try for someone with frequent UTIs if they haven’t tried them. Curcumin and Cranberry definitely.

It’s an extremely broad-reaching product. I feel it’s actually one of the best single-product anabolic cycle-support products there is, for example.

 

[sns8778]

Please be better than Prime.....
Oh my gosh.
I fell for that initial release and bought six.
.....jacob, what did you put in this stuff!?!?

I can't speak for anything USP related.

People asked us to bring back that product/ingredient and we've had enough demand that we are.

There was a lot of great feedback on it back then, a lot of great feedback on Precision's Primal, etc.

It's not something that we're going to overhype - but it will be available for the people that want it.

 

[sns8778]

That cholesterol product and prostate one will be carried in my wife's practice. She's an NP with a wellness practice.
I'm not sure about the lab details but she had a patient with some kidney issues. She took the kidney formula, and everything went normal on her next lab tests.
You definitely don't have specific women's products. A hair skin and nails may be one to look at. As well as UTI and possibly yeast.

Thank you.

I'm really glad to hear that Kidney Assist XT helped the lady with her kidney issues.

I love working with wellness practices; that's an area I would love to have more resellers in.

We are going to be doing some women's specific products later this year - a PCOS formula is one for sure.

We will be doing a hair, skin, and nails product - but it could be used by either men or women, so I've been debating on whether we would put it under the women's side or health series.

 

[akboom87]

I think that people are going to be extremely pleased with their results on Cholesterol Support XT.

I posted my numbers last year when I did the test run on the ingredients initially and the best testament I can give on that is that my doctor had me redo my bloodwork to make sure it was correct bc of the improvements.

Maybe I missed it, is this out yet or not quite? The cholesterol support XT.

Sorry if this has been discussed already.

 

[akboom87]

Thank you.

I'm really glad to hear that Kidney Assist XT helped the lady with her kidney issues.

I love working with wellness practices; that's an area I would love to have more resellers in.

We are going to be doing some women's specific products later this year - a PCOS formula is one for sure.

We will be doing a hair, skin, and nails product - but it could be used by either men or women, so I've been debating on whether we would put it under the women's side or health series.

The PCOS one could be a huge market if it can get traction in the right market areas. I will be ordering a year supply of this for my wife when the release comes.

 

[sns8778]

Maybe I missed it, is this out yet or not quite? The cholesterol support XT.

Sorry if this has been discussed already.

It hasn't been released yet but will be soon. It's in the production process now.

 

[sns8778]

The PCOS one could be a huge market if it can get traction in the right market areas. I will be ordering a year supply of this for my wife when the release comes.

Thank you. It is going to be a great product. There won't be anything else like it in terms of how many well researched ingredients we will be putting together into one product.

I know it will be a great product, but I'm worried about sales. Like you said, its about getting traction in the right market areas and not sure how to do that on this particular product. That's one thing I've been trying to figure out before launching it.

 

[akboom87]

Thank you. It is going to be a great product. There won't be anything else like it in terms of how many well researched ingredients we will be putting together into one product.

I know it will be a great product, but I'm worried about sales. Like you said, its about getting traction in the right market areas and not sure how to do that on this particular product. That's one thing I've been trying to figure out before launching it.

Yeah I can imagine that’s a hard thing to do, wish I had some great advice on how to market, unfortunately I don’t

I feel like it’s one of the things that would do well marketed on Amazon, no clue what that entails. Just going by people that would type in PCOS supplements.

I know my wife is on a few groups on Facebook and they are always talking about supplements. She is pretty excited about it as well and will be spreading the word.

 

[sns8778]

Yeah I can imagine that’s a hard thing to do, wish I had some great advice on how to market, unfortunately I don’t

I feel like it’s one of the things that would do well marketed on Amazon, no clue what that entails. Just going by people that would type in PCOS supplements.

I know my wife is on a few groups on Facebook and they are always talking about supplements. She is pretty excited about it as well and will be spreading the word.

Thank you. I really appreciate that. Spreading the word in groups like that would be super helpful.

I agree that this is the type of product that would do well on Amazon.

The odd thing about Amazon is they make it easier for BS brands to sell on there that will just outright lie about things than they do legit brands. That's one reason there are so many quality issues with Amazon brands. Do things the right way - they make life hell. Have no problem falsifying documents and lying? They're good to go.

With all that said, we are in the process of getting a lot of the products ready to be sold on there. It's a huge process to do, almost like a full time job in itself, so its been a massive undertaking. But it is something you should see from us in the next few months.

 

[akboom87]

Thank you. I really appreciate that. Spreading the word in groups like that would be super helpful.

I agree that this is the type of product that would do well on Amazon.

The odd thing about Amazon is they make it easier for BS brands to sell on there that will just outright lie about things than they do legit brands. That's one reason there are so many quality issues with Amazon brands. Do things the right way - they make life hell. Have no problem falsifying documents and lying? They're good to go.

With all that said, we are in the process of getting a lot of the products ready to be sold on there. It's a huge process to do, almost like a full time job in itself, so its been a massive undertaking. But it is something you should see from us in the next few months.

As much as a pain as it sounds I do really think it will probably be a great way to reach more people.

 

[sns8778]

As much as a pain as it sounds I do really think it will probably be a great way to reach more people.

It will be. I think its a must to grow the business.

I still want to support brick and mortars and the independent retailers, but I think that there's a large amount of customers that we simply have to be on there for them to ever see our products.

 

[paulg]

Thank you. It is going to be a great product. There won't be anything else like it in terms of how many well researched ingredients we will be putting together into one product.

I know it will be a great product, but I'm worried about sales. Like you said, its about getting traction in the right market areas and not sure how to do that on this particular product. That's one thing I've been trying to figure out before launching it.

I had to look up pcos, and I know a fair amount of things...
That is some serious stuff. Good for you guys.
Before you know it you'll be doing cancer prevention xt and kill cancer xt.
You know, eczema and psoriasis are conditions that have so little actual results from natural products (or drugs for that matter).
And then of course allergies.

 

[paulg]

I'm going to throw in a random comment and issue.
A couple of yrs ago there about, when the standardized Turk started coming out, I used it. And got phenomenal results. I mean probably best natural product.
But it left me feeling like crap.
Anybody know why or have similar experience?
You can't imagine how disappointing that is.

 

[sns8778]

I had to look up pcos, and I know a fair amount of things...
That is some serious stuff. Good for you guys.
Before you know it you'll be doing cancer prevention xt and kill cancer xt.
You know, eczema and psoriasis are conditions that have so little actual results from natural products (or drugs for that matter).
And then of course allergies.

That would be a nice thought, but never a realistic possibility on that unfortunately.

PEA Relief, the ingredient in that, actually has some studies on it for eczema.

As for nasal allergies, the soon to be released updated version of Immune Support XT is going to tackle seasonal allergies along with immune support.

 

[sns8778]

I'm going to throw in a random comment and issue.
A couple of yrs ago there about, when the standardized Turk started coming out, I used it. And got phenomenal results. I mean probably best natural product.
But it left me feeling like crap.
Anybody know why or have similar experience?
You can't imagine how disappointing that is.

That subject is so divided and hostile that every time it gets mention, it almost always goes into an argument on here.

The only thing that I'll say on that subject myself is that we offer CEL Ecdy-Plex which is a combination of Ajuga Turkestanica and Beta Ecdysterone and then we offer those two as single ingredients under Muscle Addiction as Beta Ecdysterone-500 and Turkesterone-750.

We have had extremely good feedback on those and never had anyone report of it making them feel bad. I can say for me, the feeling better in general aspect was one of my favorite parts of it along with feeling like my muscles were constantly fuller.

In general, those ingredients work much better in some people than others.

 

[baldwanus]

You know, eczema and psoriasis are conditions that have so little actual results from natural products (or drugs for that matter).

I've got psoriatic arthritis, and generally speaking this is very true. Stuff like Curcuprime Gel from XPG is great when it comes to some of the joint pain problems, but I really haven't found anything non-prescription that has really every done anything to truly help the skin side of things.

I'll probably be grabbing some of the PEA Relief in the future though, looks quite interesting.

 

[paulg]

That subject is so divided and hostile that every time it gets mention, it almost always goes into an argument on here.

The only thing that I'll say on that subject myself is that we offer CEL Ecdy-Plex which is a combination of Ajuga Turkestanica and Beta Ecdysterone and then we offer those two as single ingredients under Muscle Addiction as Beta Ecdysterone-500 and Turkesterone-750.

We have had extremely good feedback on those and never had anyone report of it making them feel bad. I can say for me, the feeling better in general aspect was one of my favorite parts of it along with feeling like my muscles were constantly fuller.

In general, those ingredients work much better in some people than others.

Thanks. I'm going to try it again. (different brand).
You're right about the muscle fullness!

Hey, Paradoxine XT, I'm getting results at 3 a day. Any point going up to four times? And what about taking a higher dosage (2 caps x3/4)? Its crazy to "feel" nothing but get results!

 

[sns8778]

Thanks. I'm going to try it again. (different brand).
You're right about the muscle fullness!

Hey, Paradoxine XT, I'm getting results at 3 a day. Any point going up to four times? And what about taking a higher dosage (2 caps x3/4)? Its crazy to "feel" nothing but get results!

You can go up to 4 times per day on it.

Some of the best results you'll ever get from fat loss and muscle building products are things that you won't necessarily feel when you take them.

The fat loss stack I ran last year that I'm getting ready to start again, my total Paradoxine intake is pretty high in that. Probably in the 400 to 600 mg. per day range total.

 

[baldwanus]

Any thoughts on ZinjaBurn Steve? I know you've got a pretty good relationship with NNB, seems like an ingredient I don't see used much.

 

[sns8778]

Any thoughts on ZinjaBurn Steve? I know you've got a pretty good relationship with NNB, seems like an ingredient I don't see used much.

I like NNB but that is one that I'm just not super excited about myself and we just haven't had any demand for it.

 

[paulg]

Just read the PEA formula and it blew me away.

If you ever came up with a Life Force XT product, that has to be an ingredient.
Imagine a formula for general life enhancement, wellness, and prevention.
Pea, Citrus Bergamot.... You add the other two. Maybe garlic, curcumin, or a mushroom; Oregano?

 

[sns8778]

Just read the PEA formula and it blew me away.

If you ever came up with a Life Force XT product, that has to be an ingredient.
Imagine a formula for general life enhancement, wellness, and prevention.
Pea, Citrus Bergamot.... You add the other two. Maybe garlic, curcumin, or a mushroom; Oregano?

You mean the write up for PEA Relief?
That's a great ingredient and I was very pleasantly surprised at how much great research there is on it.

One of my goals is to offer a variety of great products that people can stack together to help cater to their own individual needs. Like out of the ingredients that you mentioned, we use garlic in Cardiovascular Support XT and we use curcumin in several products as well as offering a Theracurmin XT product and Elite Curcumin, which has 3 different branded forms of curcumin in it.

As for mushrooms, we will be doing a capsule and powder mushroom product. The formula is done, we just have so many things in the works that we have a few things ahead of it.

Thank you for the suggestions and conversation. I'm always open to ideas.

 

[paulg]

You mean the write up for PEA Relief?
That's a great ingredient and I was very pleasantly surprised at how much great research there is on it.

One of my goals is to offer a variety of great products that people can stack together to help cater to their own individual needs. Like out of the ingredients that you mentioned, we use garlic in Cardiovascular Support XT and we use curcumin in several products as well as offering a Theracurmin XT product and Elite Curcumin, which has 3 different branded forms of curcumin in it.

As for mushrooms, we will be doing a capsule and powder mushroom product. The formula is done, we just have so many things in the works that we have a few things ahead of it.

Thank you for the suggestions and conversation. I'm always open to ideas.

Yes yes wonderful write up. Talking to my wife about pea right now.

Sorry, I was just brain storming a general wellness/life enhancer formula. Imagine the top three or four health enhancing ingredients in one product for wellness/prevention. It seems Pea would be #1. I was stumped on the other ingredients in my imaginary product because pea is so far reaching in its affects.



Are you looking into Glutathione related formulas?

 

[sns8778]

Yes yes wonderful write up. Talking to my wife about pea right now.

Sorry, I was just brain storming a general wellness/life enhancer formula. Imagine the top three or four health enhancing ingredients in one product for wellness/prevention. It seems Pea would be #1. I was stumped on the other ingredients in my imaginary product because pea is so far reaching in its affects.

Are you looking into Glutathione related formulas?

We really haven't had any demand for glutathione specific formulas. It's something I'm familiar with, but just haven't been asked and haven't had any demand for it.

Thank you. I'm glad you liked the write up. I put a lot of time and effort into the write ups, and sometimes it can be discouraging because there are times I do that and then get very little feedback or interaction on them.

I think in terms of a wellness/prevention formula, what the ingredients would be are really individualized to the person - what are your goals, lifestyle factors, what health issues do you have, predisposed to, etc.

That's why I don't truly think that there can be one product that covers it for everyone. That's why I like what we're doing by building out the best condition/issue specific formulas and also great single ingredients and letting people mix and match them based on their own individual goals and factors.

Hopefully later this year, we will be doing a very, very comprehensive healthy aging/longevity formula - and it will contain a lot of ingredients in it that I think will fit kind of what you mean though.

I'll use me as an example - probably the best quality of life enhancing supplement I've used in years, maybe ever, is Pepti-Plex and that's because I've experienced a big quality of life increase because it helps with things that directly affect me. People tend to look at Pepti-Plex and only think PeptiStrong, which is a key ingredient but there's a lot more to the formula than just PeptiStrong - its how PeptiStrong works with the other ingredients in the formula to help with so many different things. Why do I say its one of the best, maybe the best quality of life supplement for me? I have an autoimmune condition that causes inflammation and pain every single day of my life. On top of that, I was in a bad accident that destroyed my leg and caused massive tissue damage. Pepti-Plex has been great for the muscle healing and has helped my leg healing tremendously and its the closest to pain free I've been with the daily aches and pains from my autoimmune condition since I was diagnosed with it. Plus, I feel like it helps with my mood, just helps me be in a better mood overall which is a big thing for me as I've always struggled with anxiety and depression, which has been a lot worse since the accident.

 

[paulg]

We really haven't had any demand for glutathione specific formulas. It's something I'm familiar with, but just haven't been asked and haven't had any demand for it.

Thank you. I'm glad you liked the write up. I put a lot of time and effort into the write ups, and sometimes it can be discouraging because there are times I do that and then get very little feedback or interaction on them.

I think in terms of a wellness/prevention formula, what the ingredients would be are really individualized to the person - what are your goals, lifestyle factors, what health issues do you have, predisposed to, etc.

That's why I don't truly think that there can be one product that covers it for everyone. That's why I like what we're doing by building out the best condition/issue specific formulas and also great single ingredients and letting people mix and match them based on their own individual goals and factors.

Hopefully later this year, we will be doing a very, very comprehensive healthy aging/longevity formula - and it will contain a lot of ingredients in it that I think will fit kind of what you mean though.

I'll use me as an example - probably the best quality of life enhancing supplement I've used in years, maybe ever, is Pepti-Plex and that's because I've experienced a big quality of life increase because it helps with things that directly affect me. People tend to look at Pepti-Plex and only think PeptiStrong, which is a key ingredient but there's a lot more to the formula than just PeptiStrong - its how PeptiStrong works with the other ingredients in the formula to help with so many different things. Why do I say its one of the best, maybe the best quality of life supplement for me? I have an autoimmune condition that causes inflammation and pain every single day of my life. On top of that, I was in a bad accident that destroyed my leg and caused massive tissue damage. Pepti-Plex has been great for the muscle healing and has helped my leg healing tremendously and its the closest to pain free I've been with the daily aches and pains from my autoimmune condition since I was diagnosed with it. Plus, I feel like it helps with my mood, just helps me be in a better mood overall which is a big thing for me as I've always struggled with anxiety and depression, which has been a lot worse since the accident.

Man, you've been through a lot.
And most "healthy" people won't understand it.
And yet it drives you to create and produce solutions for people. And the weight lifting stuff is profitable and nice, right? But helping that kidney or liver issue, and getting that PEA into people's hands can really impact lives.
I suspect you've got compassion for suffering people and you know why you have it.
God bless you, sir.

 

[lanky]

any reason why you pulled epiandro 300 from the website?

 

[sns8778]

Man, you've been through a lot.
And most "healthy" people won't understand it.
And yet it drives you to create and produce solutions for people. And the weight lifting stuff is profitable and nice, right? But helping that kidney or liver issue, and getting that PEA into people's hands can really impact lives.
I suspect you've got compassion for suffering people and you know why you have it.
God bless you, sir.

I like supplements and I love helping people. That's what this is about to me - providing great products at prices that people can afford to help them reach their goals and also to help hopefully improve their quality of life.

You mentioned it being profitable - and the honest answer is if you do things the right way and formulate good products, don't cut corners, and do all the proper quality testing and safety testing like heavy metals and microbial testing, its not as profitable as people may think - especially as a small to medium size company owner.

Of course its profitable to the companies that come in and have the huge marketing budgets, but you'll notice most of those are strictly profit driven and try to keep their products costs to an absolute minimum.

It's hard to get noticed among those, but something that also kills small/medium sized companies that do things the right way in this industry is having to compete with companies that don't care about their quality at all and don't even try to meet label claims. For example, NOW Foods has tested a lot of companies that exist solely or almost solely on Amazon and the results are just crazy - like I understand that things can happen to anyone and there can be an issue here or there, but if you look at those test results, its obvious that many of them aren't even trying at all.

We make a lot of great products, just not enough people know about them. That's the battle that we fight is just needing more people to know about the brands and about the products.

But, yes, I do like the sports nutrition products but you're correct that I'm personally very passionate about the products that can really make a big difference in people's day to day quality of life.

Thank you for the kind words and support. I truly appreciate it.

 

[sns8778]

any reason why you pulled epiandro 300 from the website?

I tried to pm you, but it looks like you have them disabled.

We aren't going to be offering epiandrosterone products anymore after the current batch sells out.

We had a lot of retailer orders come in close together and we are low stock, so we didn't want to oversell.

I was putting together a sale for people that wanted to stock up on them before they are gone.

I'll put the details in a separate post next.

 

[sns8778]

As mentioned above, we are no longer going to be offering epiandrosterone products after the current batches sell out.

Epiandro Sale:

25% off while supplies last

Discount code: epiandro25

Epiandro300:

• 1 bottle - Sale Price - 37.49 (save 12.50) - https://muscleaddiction.com/product/epiandro300/
• 2 bottles - Sale Price - 67.49 (save 32.49) - https://muscleaddiction.com/product/epiandro300-2-bottle-combo/
• 3 bottles - Sale Price - 97.49 (save 52.48) - https://muscleaddiction.com/product/epiandro300-3-bottle-combo/

Epiandro Lean:

• 1 bottle - Sale Price - 44.99 - (save 15.00) - Invalid Link Removed
• 2 bottles - Sale Price - 82.49 (save 37.49) - Invalid Link Removed
• 3 bottles - Sale Price - 104.99 (save 74.98) - Invalid Link Removed

This really is a while supplies last thing bc once they're gone, that's it.

 

[Brianmc83]

Does this include stanoplex? Or just muscle addiction products

 

[slimsaw00]

I’m probably your least exciting customer but I keep checking on the SNS/CEL pre and your carb powder. I’ll keep checking!

 

[alvin1]

Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[kisaj]

I'd love to see some products geared towards anti-aging and cell repair. More options out there for things like Hobamine, l-ergo, AC11, etc.. It's all very expensive but based on current studies and ongoing, is very interesting and promising.

 

[lanky]

I tried to pm you, but it looks like you have them disabled.

We aren't going to be offering epiandrosterone products anymore after the current batch sells out.

We had a lot of retailer orders come in close together and we are low stock, so we didn't want to oversell.

I was putting together a sale for people that wanted to stock up on them before they are gone.

I'll put the details in a separate post next.

thank you so much, just placed my order. sad to see one of the last solo ingredient epiandro products go

 

[sns8778]

Does this include stanoplex? Or just muscle addiction products

It will be all Epiandro products from all of the brands.

We are already sold out of Stano-Plex; that's one that if you want to get, you'd have to get from one of the retailers that may still have it in stock.

We didn't do any type of sale on it or anything, it was just coincidence in that case where we had sold out of stock mostly due to retailers placing orders.

 

[sns8778]

I’m probably your least exciting customer but I keep checking on the SNS/CEL pre and your carb powder. I’ll keep checking!

Nothing wrong with that. I'm looking very forward to the pre's and to the carb powder as well.

The different pre's - we have flavor samples coming in this week on the SNS one and then next week or week after on the CEL ones.

For the carb powder, I really want to do an HBCD and plan to, its just high cost/low profit and they actually don't sell well for most brands, so business wise we kind of have to put that behind a lot of other things. I've been guilty in the past of rushing certain things just bc I wanted them myself, and can't do that in this case haha.

 

[sns8778]

Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?

There are several factors.

The main one being that we always err on the side of caution in terms of compliance with ingredients. Epiandrosterone has been around for many years and there's never been an issue with it, but it appears there may be in the future. (I know of other brand owners that are stopping as well.)

We offer such a wide range of great products that if anything with any product/ingredient seems like it may become an issue in the future, its not worth the worry or anxiety over it. Always better off to just discontinue things in that case and move forward.

I really don't want to go into anymore details and I don't want to cause any major discussion on it; that's why I hadn't announced anything about it or made a big deal about it. There will inevitably be some brands that will still offer it - just the major advantage with Stano-Plex and the Muscle Addiction ones is that you get the highest dosages per capsule and they were already an incredible price - the sale pricing just makes it even better.

 

[sns8778]

I'd love to see some products geared towards anti-aging and cell repair. More options out there for things like Hobamine, l-ergo, AC11, etc.. It's all very expensive but based on current studies and ongoing, is very interesting and promising.

Anti-aging and longevity supplements are something I've been passionate about for many years, and I hope to later this year do a sub-brand with some really comprehensive anti-aging/longevity formulas. A lot of working and planning has already gone into it, but I have to balance my desire to do new things with the lack of hours in the day and focus on the things that already exist in order to try to grow them to be able to fund the new ones.

My thought as it stands now is to do the best formulas in these respective categories - mitochondrial, senescence, and telomeres - and then possible do one very high end premium product that would be expensive, but cover all those bases for people that want to use just one product.

At one point, I wanted to do some things like that as single ingredients - but honestly, single ingredient product sales in that category suck for a lot of things because people tend to want formulas.

You hit one point exactly too - people might be interested in some of these ingredients, but most are fairly expensive by single ingredient standards, so its one thing for people to be interested in them, but its a different thing if they'd actually buy them. Yes, they probably would as a curiosity once or twice, but I mean consistent sales on them as they're not something you normally feel; and a lot of times with supplements that people don't actually feel working, they try them once or twice and then the novelty wears off.

I'm not saying we won't do any of them as single ingredients, just explaining why I haven't yet.

We will be doing a Spermidine product as we get asked for that quite a bit.

I mentioned Hobamine before to see if anyone would be interested, and really no one was - which I can't say I blame anyone on that. I'm interested in it, but more for curiosity myself as I think that it has potential but I also think that a couple brands are really taking some serious liberties and stretching the truth as what the studies show at this point versus the claims they're making on it.

I also had thought about doing a single ingredient Telos95. That's an ingredient I've read a lot about and am interested in; and its also one that is expensive, but honestly nowhere near as expensive as what some brands are selling it for. Some are really taking advantage of the lack of available Telos95 products.

 

[sns8778]

thank you so much, just placed my order. sad to see one of the last solo ingredient epiandro products go

Thank you.

And yeah, I agree - it makes me sad too.

That ingredient has kind of been a nostalgia thing for me, and I hate to see it go. I always liked being able to offer it at a great dose and at a great price for people that like it and wanted it.

 

[kisaj]

Anti-aging and longevity supplements are something I've been passionate about for many years, and I hope to later this year do a sub-brand with some really comprehensive anti-aging/longevity formulas. A lot of working and planning has already gone into it, but I have to balance my desire to do new things with the lack of hours in the day and focus on the things that already exist in order to try to grow them to be able to fund the new ones.

My thought as it stands now is to do the best formulas in these respective categories - mitochondrial, senescence, and telomeres - and then possible do one very high end premium product that would be expensive, but cover all those bases for people that want to use just one product.

At one point, I wanted to do some things like that as single ingredients - but honestly, single ingredient product sales in that category suck for a lot of things because people tend to want formulas.

You hit one point exactly too - people might be interested in some of these ingredients, but most are fairly expensive by single ingredient standards, so its one thing for people to be interested in them, but its a different thing if they'd actually buy them. Yes, they probably would as a curiosity once or twice, but I mean consistent sales on them as they're not something you normally feel; and a lot of times with supplements that people don't actually feel working, they try them once or twice and then the novelty wears off.

I'm not saying we won't do any of them as single ingredients, just explaining why I haven't yet.

We will be doing a Spermidine product as we get asked for that quite a bit.

I mentioned Hobamine before to see if anyone would be interested, and really no one was - which I can't say I blame anyone on that. I'm interested in it, but more for curiosity myself as I think that it has potential but I also think that a couple brands are really taking some serious liberties and stretching the truth as what the studies show at this point versus the claims they're making on it.

I also had thought about doing a single ingredient Telos95. That's an ingredient I've read a lot about and am interested in; and its also one that is expensive, but honestly nowhere near as expensive as what some brands are selling it for. Some are really taking advantage of the lack of available Telos95 products.

Appreciate the detailed reply and all things I am equally interested in. Currently I buy these ingredients individually as I can control the dose, but few companies offer them because some are newer and not many people actually know about this area. However, it is costing me ~$200mo and I would prefer to have a single supplement that combined studied doses, reputable sourcing, and focused on the categories you mention, specific to telomeres and mitochondria.

 

[sns8778]

Appreciate the detailed reply and all things I am equally interested in. Currently I buy these ingredients individually as I can control the dose, but few companies offer them because some are newer and not many people actually know about this area. However, it is costing me ~$200mo and I would prefer to have a single supplement that combined studied doses, reputable sourcing, and focused on the categories you mention, specific to telomeres and mitochondria.

The way I was thinking, and this is just the thought now, it could change, was to do 4 products - telomeres, senescence, mitochondria, and have each of them be great formulas - and they would be for people that only want one category or don't want to spend the money on the more comprehensive one, which would be like an all-star type anti-aging/longevity product and would be expensive but would have an absolutely crazy comprehensive formula.

Then of course could always add single ingredient items from there under that, or under SNS as the demand dictated.

 

[unitas27]

The way I was thinking, and this is just the thought now, it could change, was to do 4 products - telomeres, senescence, mitochondria, and have each of them be great formulas - and they would be for people that only want one category or don't want to spend the money on the more comprehensive one, which would be like an all-star type anti-aging/longevity product and would be expensive but would have an absolutely crazy comprehensive formula.

Then of course could always add single ingredient items from there under that, or under SNS as the demand dictated.

Buddy, I just turned 47, and although I look very good for my age, I'm all about beating Father time, as much as I can. Any longevity formulas you come out with, I'll be first in line. I started NMN, a SIRT1 activator, and PQQ among other potential longevity supps recently.
On another note, I would love to see SNS source a quality C3G (Cyanidin-3-Glucoside) supplement. Lots of promising studies on this particular anthocyanin, and I've been using the ND and Biotest iterations with much success in body recomp and digestive support. I imagine it would be quite popular with the bodybuilding community.

 

[sns8778]

Buddy, I just turned 47, and although I look very good for my age, I'm all about beating Father time, as much as I can. Any longevity formulas you come out with, I'll be first in line. I started NMN, a SIRT1 activator, and PQQ among other potential longevity supps recently.
On another note, I would love to see SNS source a quality C3G (Cyanidin-3-Glucoside) supplement. Lots of promising studies on this particular anthocyanin, and I've been using the ND and Biotest iterations with much success in body recomp and digestive support. I imagine it would be quite popular with the bodybuilding community.

Thank you.

I'm open to C3G if enough people are interested. I was going to do one at one time and had sourced it and had pricing, but there just didn't seem enough demand for it at the time. I'll get some updated pricing and see what percentages are available.

One thing that had held me back at the time was that the ones that actually sell well are the super deceptive ones that sell for 10.00 to 15.00 and will say something like C3G Black Bean and be 1.25 grams of the Black Bean and then say (contains naturally occurring C3G). For those of us that know how to read the labels, we know that means the amount of C3G in them is tiny, but for the average consumer, those are the ones that they buy and they view the legit ones as being extremely overpriced and rip-offs, when its actually the other way around.

 

[unitas27]

Thank you.

I'm open to C3G if enough people are interested. I was going to do one at one time and had sourced it and had pricing, but there just didn't seem enough demand for it at the time. I'll get some updated pricing and see what percentages are available.

One thing that had held me back at the time was that the ones that actually sell well are the super deceptive ones that sell for 10.00 to 15.00 and will say something like C3G Black Bean and be 1.25 grams of the Black Bean and then say (contains naturally occurring C3G). For those of us that know how to read the labels, we know that means the amount of C3G in them is tiny, but for the average consumer, those are the ones that they buy and they view the legit ones as being extremely overpriced and rip-offs, when its actually the other way around.

Thanks, I know exactly what company you're referring to with the black bean extract, it's absolute junk from the reviews I've read and the C3G content is likely miniscule at best. I think somewhere from 250mg and up daily of actual C3G is a good starting point for recomp benefits based on my personal experience with ND's standardized black rice extract.

 

[thescience]

Thanks, I know exactly what company you're referring to with the black bean extract, it's absolute junk from the reviews I've read and the C3G content is likely miniscule at best. I think somewhere from 250mg and up daily of actual C3G is a good starting point for recomp benefits based on my personal experience with ND's standardized black rice extract.

some people really swear by it, but i gave it a fair shake and def nonresponded it. maybe with piperine? i thought if it wasnt absorbed it would turn stools purple and that didnt happen so i guess my cells just didnt want it. when i ordered it, i had to sign something stating it couldnt be returned, so im probably not alone in my discontent at the massive price. it sounded so good though

 

[sns8778]

Thanks, I know exactly what company you're referring to with the black bean extract, it's absolute junk from the reviews I've read and the C3G content is likely miniscule at best. I think somewhere from 250mg and up daily of actual C3G is a good starting point for recomp benefits based on my personal experience with ND's standardized black rice extract.

I'll get updated pricing on the real stuff and see where we would be at price wise.

The reason I had backed off on the idea was no one really expressed interest, the situation I explained with labeling deception, and that this really does seem to be an ingredient that works very differently for different people - and you know how it is - in today's world a lot of times people get upset if something doesn't work for them, even if you tell them up front that it may work differently for different people.