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@Iwilleattuna who was big fan or OG Epilogue and mentioned in another thread a clone. Personally I wouldn’t buy all individual ingredients and stack, however I would buy a product containing those and anything you added (with your spin on it) made by yourself. Sure there would be interest and it seems a popular product and I seen the new formulation and have been trying to get the old one as not sure it’s an the new is better...
I could make an argument either way but I've been asked to do a stand alone Urolithin B a lot more than I've ever been asked to do a version of Epilogue. It's possible down the road we may could do both.
The original Epilogue was Epicatechin, VASO6, and Urolithin B.
A lot of people already use VASO6 daily or in VasoForce XT. And our VASO6 - 120 cap size makes daily use VASO6 very cost effective for anyone wanting to use it.
If we do a single ingredient Urolithin B, the price would be very affordable to use it and it would allow people to stack it with other products of their choice.
Now, we get to the part where I was trying to take the high road on this and not say anything that could come off as speaking negatively about someone else's product. And this isn't about the product, its about an ingredient and something about a method of absorption and labeling that a lot of people don't understand.
Epilogue claimed to contain phytosomal Epicatechin at a dose of 600 mg. per day. A lot of people don't realize what that actually means. Listing the dosage at 600 mg. does NOT mean they are getting 600 mg. Epicatechin. It means that the total blend of phosphatidylcholine and epicatechin is 600 mg. so the maximum amount of Epicatechin included would be 300 mg. and likely less because normally with phytosomal ingredients, its normally in the range of more like a 65%/35% split.
Then with ingredients that claim to be phytosomal ingredients, question one is are they really encased in the phytosome or is it just phosphatidylcholine and ____ ingredient being added together in a prop blend. The next question is have any stability studies been done on the ingredient to see if its still stable as a phytosomal ingredient 6 months, 8 months, 1 year down the road.
There is a lot more to phytosomal ingredients than many people realize. These aren't some things like some would lead to consumers to believe that are easy to make on a commercial scale and have them maintain their structural integrity for the duration of their shelf life.
This leads me to my point in that we already offer Epi-Plex. Epi-Plex is 600 mg. actual Epicatechin + Bioperine per day which is minimum over double the amount of actual Epicatechin than is in a phytosomal form of it. And imo the absorption of 600 mg. per day + Bioperine is going to far exceed the lower amount in a phytosomal.
And I want to also point out that I'm a fan of phytosomal ingredients - when they make sense. As in when using it in a phytosomal form can lead to an increased absorption versus its non-phytosomal counterpart. And also, and very importantly, when the ingredients are made by legitimate raw material suppliers that have the equipment and capabilities to do them correctly and run the appropriate stability studies on them. I've actually been working on a project with a branded ingredient company for close to the past year and can tell you from personal experience that the proper stability studies alone cost in the thousands of dollars. If theirs work out the way they hope, there'll be a couple of really cool phytosomal ingredients out this year.
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